I have always driven trucks with 350's or 454's, mainly in k10's.
My question is, a toyota x-tra cab truck with a 22r(e) engine with dual cases, and 5.29 axle gears... how will it do in mud? I will mainly be rock crawling, and tight technical trails... but even once and a while there is quite a bit of mud on the trails, will the yotas engine have enough power to spin the tires to the point of moving me forward? I will be using 39.5" IROK's if that helps.
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Dude with tires that big and Toy axles you need to stay on the street.. :rolleyes:

Or build the hell out of them.

Check in the Toyota forum.

I've been reading the toyota forum for awhile now.
Kajo4x4toy has been running toyota axles with longfeilds type axles with 39.5" tires, and hasn't had too much of a problem. he said you just can't jerk the steering around.

Taken from his build up thread:


Yep they are Toyota axles. I made my truck as light as possible, installed Longfields, and most importantly prayed for Bobby Long's help before every wheelin' trip. I also try not to get on it hard when the front is turned to the steering stops. I did break a front long side inner shaft this year and that happened with the front turned all the way to the right and backing up off of an obstacle.

Can someone answer my question now:flipoff2:
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Can someone please help me?

I'd say you'll be fine, but you should invest in some rockwells and a 460 first.

A toyota will do much better than any full size. Remember toyota's are light. They lack some in power but i wouldn't worry about mud you'll get much farther in a lighter rig. Now can toy axles hold up to 39'5's... if there built like said above, and if not bring spares which you should have anyways if your into rockcrawling.

You just can't be afraid of hitting some high RPM's when your in the mud :D

Yotas are bad, it will do fine. Just remember where the gas is.

I just got back from playing in the mud (I was expecting snow but got mud instead). Sometimes revved my 22R to 4,500-5,000 RPM staying on top of the goop, but it did awesome. I went through places that my buddy's '89 fullsize Bronco got bogged down.

When ever I got to go thrugh some nasty mud (hate the $hit try to stay out of it) I found that double low in 3rd or so works good. Keeps the rpm's up and makes it a little easier on the engine.

Kevin

Thats what I'm tlaking about!
Thanks guys, that convinces me the yota will do excellent.
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I've played in the mud for years with full size rigs. One day having "fun" six full sized
rigs stuck like bitches. lots of horse power lockers, good old mudin rigs.
Then this little toyota comes poping out into the mud hole. Nothing too special.
It had 35's on it locked front and rear. The guy drove in and around every stuck fullsize then just left. I was amazed. I now have an 85 SR5 with 22re and 35's
My 85 blazer hardly ever gets to see the mud any more. The toyota will do just fine
in the mud.

Lead Foot the Gas, you can rev the crap out of them. That is how I had to do it in the past. :D

Just keep weight in the bed. I've seen guys throw money at Toy4x4 pickups because they thought they needed more goodies to be capable enough when their rig's main problem was an empty bed that left the rear tires less weighted which didn't plant the tires well. With lockers and agressive tires, the Toy 4x4s go near anywhere when also loaded down some.

i would run 3rd gear in my old yota, 3.0, 5.29's, sx's, 4.7's in the tcase. that was enough to clean my tires if i was in a mud spot on the trail. you should be fine. as far all the haters dont listen to them. those toy axles are strong enough IF you run and aftermarket long. i ran longfields and only broke 2 in 2 years. i think you will be fine with some longs.

Alright thanks! Yeah I wiill definitly build the toy axles up.

I personally like the feel of a heavier flywheel. It keep the "bucking" to a minimum when geared down (getting into and out of the throttle). This also helps smooth out the jolts to the drivetrain that seem significant when you are used to a heavy V8 rig.

So I should upgrade to a better flywheel? Got a link to show me what one? Thanks!

what the hell am I readin here? There is some BS in here and it smells. Red=BS

Or build the hell out of them.

Your gonna have to do that with any axle that isn't d60 or rockwell anyways.

Dude with tires that big and Toy axles you need to stay on the street..

You guys are full of it. He will be fine. I run 39.5 TSL, 27 spline cromos and ringed longfields. Mud hasn't broken my stuff yet.

Just keep weight in the bed. I've seen guys throw money at Toy4x4 pickups because they thought they needed more goodies to be capable enough when their rig's main problem was an empty bed that left the rear tires less weighted which didn't plant the tires well. With lockers and agressive tires, the Toy 4x4s go near anywhere when also loaded down some.
Your dumb, if you do that you take away from the advantage of the toyota, light. You will break R&P, axle shaft, housing, etc. if you wiegh it down

I personally like the feel of a heavier flywheel.It keep the "bucking" to a minimum when geared down (getting into and out of the throttle). This also helps smooth out the jolts to the drivetrain that seem significant when you are used to a heavy V8 rig.


Wrong, a heavier flywheel prevents stalling by increasing the rotating mass. That's it. It also takes horsepower away, oh I run one also. Bought it from Downey offroad.

So a bigger flywheel will prevent stalling, but steal horsepower? How much horsepower? Should I consider getting one if it helps against stalling?
Thanks for answering all my questions!!! :cool2:

Would not be too hard to get a little more power out of that little four banger. New intake, headers, cam, head work. No problems with mud then :smokin:

Will those modifications worsen my fuel economy though? I will be driving this to and from the trails. Or will it improve MPG?
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Would not be too hard to get a little more power out of that little four banger. New intake, headers, cam, head work. No problems with mud then

Don't throw your money to the wind, if your want more power swap motors (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314470).


So a bigger flywheel will prevent stalling, but steal horsepower?

A heavier flywheel will prevent stalling. Yes, to get more HP you lighten the rotating mass, to get more torque, increase the rotating mass.

Will those modifications worsen my fuel economy though? I will be driving this to and from the trails. Or will it improve MPG?

You do have to realise that your a 4cyl, your gonna get 15-22 mpg tops. So yes when you mod your engine your MPG should go down because of increased performance.

Don't throw your money to the wind, if your want more power swap motors (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314470).




A heavier flywheel will prevent stalling. Yes, to get more HP you lighten the rotating mass, to get more torque, increase the rotating mass.



You do have to realise that your a 4cyl, your gonna get 15-22 mpg tops. So yes when you mod your engine your MPG should go down because of increased performance.

I think I will just leave the 4cylinder engine stock, for reliablilty reasons.
So when running a heavier flywheel, it will decrease HP but in return, increase torque. From what I understand, torque is more important in 4x4's, so I think I will search for "Downey offroad" on google and get a price check on a heavier flywheel-no more stalling!
15-22MPG? Thats more than I could dream about. Thats perfect how it is. Thanks!!

...Your dumb, if you do that you take away from the advantage of the toyota, light. You will break R&P, axle shaft, housing, etc. if you wiegh it down...
Nonsense. I specifically said loaded down some, not loaded to the max. :shaking: Excuse me if my adjectives are too vague for you. He need load nothing more than say, camping gear, ice chest, food, recovery gear, etc., for a weekend trip. If he has an empty bed for a daytrip in the snow, throw 2-3 spare tires on rims in the bed. Whatever works and is tied down. A couple/few hundred lbs at most, as long as it won't harm the bed when jostled off-road. The 4-banger won't bust axles with the bed loaded down some.:D

Finally, someone on Pirate is more opinionated than I am.:p

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