I figured I would add a little tech since there hasn't been much lately. :flipoff2:

So I got a hell of a deal on some brand new 37's that a guy wanted to sell. Couldn't pass it up. So now I need to fit them. I have started work on the rear as evident by the pictures below. I have a buddy who is going to draw up the new wheel wells with CAD (Because he's bored at work) and we're going to have new bigger wheel wells put back in.

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-01-10/1105397327_Drivers_Side.jpg

I do have a question though, I need to remove the expansion tank on the passenger side of the vehicle. My particular model has a HUGE expansion tank there. I think this is pretty straightforward but figure I'll ask anyway. Basically there are 5 hoses coming out of my fuel tank. 1 for fuel, 1 for fuel filler vent, and 3 together that go to the expansion tank etc. I think I can reconnect the Charcoal canister directly to the fuel tank and then run the other 2 vents from the fuel tank back into each other? Also while on the subject of the Charcoal Canister, can I just remove it? I know it has a hose from the plenum and a hose to the expansion tank. There is also a valve that is controlled by the ECU. Would there be any running issue if I just remove it and plug the plenum and the fuel tank hoses?

Couple more pics...

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-01-10/1105397513_Inside.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-01-10/1105397685_Passenger_Side.jpg


edit: BTW, I need some 1" and 1.5" spring spacers. Anybody got any cheap?

Summit has some for arroud $50 for steel or $70 for aluminum.

-Jeff

I think I'm getting mine for virtually free! Plus this is quicker, but Summit is a great idea, didn't think of that.

I think I'm getting mine for virtually free! Plus this is quicker, but Summit is a great idea, didn't think of that.


larry,
call me. I have some 1 and 2" laying around you can have for some wine/beer

also I can fab up your wells if you want

j

Didn't Mr. Way do this on his truck?

Come to think of I haven't seen him arround these parts in a while, is he still alive?

-Jeff

Didn't Mr. Way do this on his truck?

-Jeff

I believe he did. I also think he did something to the front as well.


Come to think of I haven't seen him arround these parts in a while, is he still alive?


I think he works quite a bit nowadays.

[QUOTE=lwg]Also while on the subject of the Charcoal Canister, can I just remove it?QUOTE]

While trying to diagnose a fuel problem I was having last year I disconnected the vent hose on my charcoal canister at the advice of a gear head who thought maybe that valve was not opening (i.e. building up to much pressure in the system) and there was no harm while running the engine. He had also suggested that if there was a problem with the valve I could just remove the whole apparatus to simplify the system and get rid of the problem.

Still around. Just got married on the 29th of December. I still lurke quite a bit when I get home or sometimes inbetween appointments. Other than adding CTMs recently I haven't made hardly any changes to my rig. A dynatrac diff cover doesn't count does it??? :flipoff2:

Pics. Keep the pics coming as your progress continues. What are you running for a front axle???

Just got married on the 29th of December.
Congradulations!! Where did you go for your honeymoon? Some place warm I hope.


A dynatrac diff cover doesn't count does it??? :flipoff2:

Are those those clear ones?? :flipoff2:

-Jeff

Clearly I have nothing better to say than... :flipoff2:

Kaanapali Beach Maui Hawaii. Got married in my Birks, Hawaiian shirt and shorts. I will have to attach a picture of my wedding cake!

Way

Did you get hitched to the hottie we met down in Penrose, CO? The gaming girl? Hope so she seemed nice enough. Hopefully she can keep you in line and buy you some tools.

JP

Yep. Gotta to love a woman that thinks Indy was boring.....LOL.

Helpful (tech) content to this thread. Since things are cut away now, I would strongly suggest buying or fabricating a rear shock mount like the one in this picture (or stronger) and running a coilover in the rear. I like the King Coilovers personally, but I know you like Bilstein and you could do their "rockcrawler 7100 series).

I went the easy route and now wish I would have spent the money and time to do it right. Here is what I did to extend the lower mounts. I machined on a mill the lower extension plates.

I then welded the stock piece in a piece of box tubing. Kustom for sure.

I made some longer rear trailing arms that are super beefy.

This gave me the necessary rear door clearance. Picture is with 33" tires. View any current pics I have posted to see it with 37" tires.

Last pic of the lower older set-up. I found the shocks did not work in this config. Needed to be more upright. I couldn't get the proper valving.

Say this Range Rover in 2002 in Moab. I think that he purchased the Jegs fenders and adapted them to his ride, but I am not certain. I think the ratchet straps are a test to see what length of limiting straps he should get. A lot of the parts on the vehicle looked brand new, so I guessing this may have been a test run. The name Bostock comes to mind. Maybe first name of Eddie. Memory isn't that good though so I could be wrong. Nicest rangie I have ever seen in person.

He had a rear support bar to brace the shock mounts.

I had thought about moving my springs rearward with the method you used, but it seems that one of my spring perches has started to crack! :eek:

So I'm thinking about fabbing up some new mounts that will be pushed back about 2".

BTW, thanks for the pics.

I had thought about moving my springs rearward with the method you used, but it seems that one of my spring perches has started to crack! :eek:

So I'm thinking about fabbing up some new mounts that will be pushed back about 2".

BTW, thanks for the pics.

Go air shox! :flipoff2:

So I have finished one of the wheel wells and nearly finished the second one. I couldn't find anything via Summit and my source for free wells couldn't make them afterall. So I just visited the local Metal Supply and picked up some 18 GA sheet metal and a bender from HF and voila!

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-01-26/1106753544_PICT0296.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-01-26/1106753632_PICT0298.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-01-26/1106753498_PICT0295.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-01-26/1106753449_PICT0294.jpg

The top of the wells is 21" long. The wells come out to be about 5" deeper than the stock wells and maybe 2" taller. Should clear 37's easy. And yes a 37" tire will still fit between the wheel wells in the bed. It clears by about 1/4" :eek:

Now I just need to figure out what I am going to coat it with. I am thinking an inexpensive Rubberized undercoating will help with noise and slippage.

Looks really good... almost makes me want a Rangie again :(

Nice job. It will look great when finished. Maybe this is a good time to Rhinoline???

I couldn't find anything via Summit ....


Not that anyone will EVER search ( :flipoff2: ) but at least for the archives

Summit
Steel
SUM-G7908 36" tire
SUM-G7910 38" tire
SUM-G7920 40" tire

Aluminum
SUM-G7909 36" tire
SUM-G7930 38" tire
SUM-G7940 40" tire


Now these are designed for drag cars, so adjust you tire size accordingly.

-Jeff

Not that anyone will EVER search ( :flipoff2: ) but at least for the archives

Summit
Steel
SUM-G7908 36" tire
SUM-G7910 38" tire
SUM-G7920 40" tire

Aluminum
SUM-G7909 36" tire
SUM-G7930 38" tire
SUM-G7940 40" tire


Now these are designed for drag cars, so adjust you tire size accordingly.

-Jeff

The downside to these are that they are really tall, like 18". For reference my wheel wells are only about 9 inches tall. 18 inches will put you taller than the rear windows. The problem then is if you cut them down they will probably on be about 27" long. Mine are probably a little longer with more room at each end due being squarer.

Nice job. It will look great when finished. Maybe this is a good time to Rhinoline???

I'm too cheap!

BTW, have you inspected your rear spring perches? I noticed that mine are cracking, starting to fail. I kind of want to move the rear axle back the way you did for simplicity, but am concerned about it's effects on the spring perches.

Bring it down to Albuquerque and we will Line-X the interior for ya cheap.

Billster

The downside to these are that they are really tall, like 18". For reference my wheel wells are only about 9 inches tall. 18 inches will put you taller than the rear windows. The problem then is if you cut them down they will probably on be about 27" long. Mine are probably a little longer with more room at each end due being squarer.


Good point.

They look nice. As for paint, have you tried the rattle can duplicolor bedliner? Its really more of a thick paint than a bedliner, but its cheap! :D


-Jeff

You can also get it by the quart and roll it on. Used that on the scramblers bed, and I'm suprised how well it worked.....looks good for now, but hasn't seen any real abuse yet.
Rustoleum also makes this stuff called "hammered", and that is a pretty thick/tough paint. Hides imperfections on surfaces.

Good point.

As for paint, have you tried the rattle can duplicolor bedliner? Its really more of a thick paint than a bedliner, but its cheap! :D


-Jeff

This is what I have on the outside of the truck. The bottom half is just that, Duplicolor. The stuff is pretty durable but I think I will go with something more like Herculiner to deaden some of the noise... Unless I can get Line X for about that price. Billster... :rolleyes:

Well, I have completed the rear wheel wells and all of the rear suspension. Ended up moving the axle back about 2.5". Just have to do a little more fender cutting in the rear to make it look better. Making the front panhard rod tomorrow night. Hopefully it will be drivable either Thursday or Friday. Will post Toy conversion stuff in another thread for searchability.

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-02-15/1108536559_pict0304.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-02-15/1108535052_pict0299.jpg

Modified Rockware upper shock mount. Moved top mount towards rear about 2".

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-02-15/1108535176_pict0300.jpg

2" extension for upper A-arm mount. Homemade of course!

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-02-15/1108536363_pict0303.jpg

Everthing all together minus shocks.

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-02-15/1108537172_pict0307.jpg

Yep, pretty sweet!

Would it have been cheaper had you gone with Air Shocks rather than rewelding the rear springs (are you re-using your current ones?) and shocks (new or same?)?

Reason I'm asking is that I am going to pull the rear axle back 3" in Summer and was thinking Air Shocks would be far more economical than new springs/shocks (5 years old) and much easier to tune...

Would it have been cheaper had you gone with Air Shocks rather than rewelding the rear springs (are you re-using your current ones?) and shocks (new or same?)?

Reason I'm asking is that I am going to pull the rear axle back 3" in Summer and was thinking Air Shocks would be far more economical than new springs/shocks (5 years old) and much easier to tune...

It probably would have been cheaper. Figure in the future I might go this route. There has been some talk about Air Shocks not working so well on LR's due to their weight. I don't think anyone has "tried" it yet to prove/disprove this theory. Let us know! :D

For the time being I think I am using my existing shocks, but I might be changing to a different length soon. Still pondering this one. I am definitely in need of some new springs soon.

Kaanapali Beach Maui Hawaii. Got married in my Birks, Hawaiian shirt and shorts. I will have to attach a picture of my wedding cake!

Way
I didn't know you were into mini coopers? :flipoff2:

ok Larry ... updates for the web-wheelers, please :D

Pics tomorrow. Everything is together and running. Seems to work well. Tons of room in the rear wheel wells. Tires don't even come close to touching, except for the spring perch. :( Eventually need to get more offset rims.

lookin' real good, larry. i'm inspired!

Well it's the day before I leave for Las Cruces. Figured I had better take her over to the largest rockpile I could find close to my house. This is nothing like what Frankenrover had to climb up though!

Here are the pics with 37's and Toy axles...

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-02-21/1109011259_drivers_side_2.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-02-21/1109011513_drivers_flex_2.jpg

http://pics.montypics.com/lwg/2005-02-21/1109011652_passenger_flex_2.jpg

With the new rear fender wells, the tires don't even come close to hitting. The front needs more load to flex. I think it probably has 2-3 inches of droop and compression left in the front.

looks good. I like the 3lbs of wheel weights in the front :flipoff2:
I just love balancing mud tires

They'll probably just fall off after a few days in Las Cruces.