Ok I did some searching and didn’t come up with anything I liked. I was talking to a buddy last time I was wheeling and he said you can tap regular ol steering box (in the right spots) and get a cheap hydraulic ram and you can have hydro assist. I don’t need full hydro steering, I have to drive my jeep to work/school some times and it is still street legal....well from a distance it is street legal and I would like to keep it close to that, till I get outa collage and get a tow rig.

Chris G.
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Check out this link:

Homemade Hydraulic on a YJ (http://www.geocities.com/yj3qtr_ton/steering.html)

Good Luck,

-Josh

thanks but i cant go there cuz every one and there dog is at the site and geo-crap cant handle that.

Chris G.:beer:

http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/ram1.jpg http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/ram2.jpg http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/ram3.jpg http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/ram4.jpg

how much did this setup cost ya ifn you dont mind me asking.

BTW it looks sweet!

Chris G.

Try these guys for help....
WT (http://westtexasoffroad.homestead.com/hydrosteering.html)

What are the advantages of a hydraulic steering.

now all we need are spec's on the ram so we can call Bailey and order our own for 100.00 or so

FWIW with big tires (38 and up) steering on the tril os a real workout (even with power steering) the ram assist makes it easier

There has to be a better spot than the front cap like that. It seems a little too available for a possible encounter of the off-road kind. Can't you tap into the side were the fitting and the hydro line will be out of the way a little better? Where does WT tap into?

I will usually hit a spring and b4 I will hit the top of the box. ifn you are worried about it I guess you could build a guard. who sells rams for a decent price? local?

(PS box leaks about a pint a day, and this is the third one! need Mo Power!)

Chris G. :beer:

bailey has about 1000 differant rams i have a catalog 100pages or so..just need the spec's

most of the rams are 100$ or less

Originally posted by redruM
bailey has about 1000 differant rams i have a catalog 100pages or so..just need the spec's

most of the rams are 100$ or less


bailey? they have a site?

Chris G.:beer:

www.baileynet.com

Originally posted by redruM
www.baileynet.com

thanks a bunch! what kinda hoses do you all ues? what fittings? i looks like baily sells all of this stuff!

Chris G.

With shipping, tax, and parts the whole thing cost me $135.00
I suggest getting a 1.5" ram no matter the cost. If you tap the box in the side like AGR you will have to take the box apart due to the welding and metal chips so If you are worried about the end then just protect it. Mine is protected by the bumper so no worries.

How many PSI is your ram? what model? when i first saw the AGR setup i said "FU$% that' i know the good ole boys would know what to do...thanks!

Chris G.:beer:

Originally posted by 66CJdean
If you tap the box in the side like AGR you will have to take the box apart due to the welding and metal chips so If you are worried about the end then just protect it. Ok, where is the info on tapping from the side? I've a couple extra boxes and would try it if you have info on the side tap.

Talk to LakeRat or take the box apart and look at the spool valve area. Get some fittings that are rated for 3000psi, drill, and weld them on over the holes.

i am only turning 36's witha front locker and will prob move up to 38's eventually what PSI ram should i use? will 2000 be enough, or should i go with something that will bend everything to hell?

Chris G.
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Originally posted by Chrisjeep7
i am only turning 36's witha front locker and will prob move up to 38's eventually what PSI ram should i use? will 2000 be enough, or should i go with something that will bend everything to hell?

Chris G.
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The psi of your system is determined by the pump - not the cylinder :rolleyes:

Fawking newbie! :flipoff2:

Phil
Shaving my axles and installing a ram (and behind the axle steering) soon...

Originally posted by 1TONTJ


The psi of your system is determined by the pump - not the cylinder :rolleyes:


As long as the ram can handle the pressure from the pump, or you end up with 0 PSI. :flipoff2:

And the diameter of the ram piston will determine the amount of force produced for a given PSI.

Theoretically, 1 PSI on a 1 square inch piston produces 1 lb of force on the ram......1 PSI on a 2 square inch piston produces 2 lbs of force on the ram....just slower, for the same pump.

but you knew that, right? ;)

Originally posted by ondarock


As long as the ram can handle the pressure from the pump, or you end up with 0 PSI. :flipoff2:

And the diameter of the ram piston will determine the amount of force produced for a given PSI.

Theoretically, 1 PSI on a 1 square inch piston produces 1 lb of force on the ram......1 PSI on a 2 square inch piston produces 2 lbs of force on the ram....just slower, for the same pump.

but you knew that, right? ;)

Simple physics (and I'm not even a god of steering) :p

Ever seen a Jeep power steering pump that could put out 2000 psi, let alone 3000? :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Phil

Originally posted by 1TONTJ


Simple physics (and I'm not even a god of steering) :p


Phil


Really Mr. Science…….tell us more!

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what i should have said is what ram dia. to use and what stroke for a Dana 44? I don’t want something so slow that will not keep up.

Chris G.


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Originally posted by Chrisjeep7

what i should have said is what ram dia. to use and what stroke for a Dana 44? I don?t want something so slow that will not keep up.

pick a point on the axle, and a point on the steering arm, measure at lock to the right, and lock to the left....the difference is your stroke.

The closer to the ball joint you mount on the steering arm, the shorter your stroke will be, and the bigger bore you will want (slower moving and more power)..though a 1.5 diam should be ok...there's not that much diff.
if you mount it to the tie rod, you're stuck with one possible length, and won't be able to change your toe in anymore since you can't rotate your tie rod. ...measure it and find out.....1.5 is a pretty good diam anyway.

Originally posted by ondarock


if you mount it to the tie rod, you're stuck with one possible length, and won't be able to change your toe in anymore since you can't rotate your tie rod. ...measure it and find out.....1.5 is a pretty good diam anyway.


What???:eek:
How about the tie rod ends??? They are adjustable....Right??
:rasta: :mad3:

Ricky...seeya...

Ok, I have been digging through Bailey's site and am confused. I see 1.5" rod's on 8" throw rams, but no 1.5" bore rams, regardless of rod size.

Can someone show me what I am looking for from them? A URL from their site or a part number or something to point me in the right direction would be helpful. I must be too damn stoopid to figure out what I need!!!!!!!!

Ok, guess I need to actually do some work today instead of looking at rams!

Thanks in advance.

Ed

If you need to adjust toe, you would have to remove the TRE from the knuckle/arm and rotate it if you weld your tab onto your tie rod. If you want to be able to rotate the tie rod to adjust toe, you need to make a removable mount that clamps onto the tie rod tube. Then you just have to loosen the clamp, rotate the tube, and reclamp the ram mount.

btt

What is the pressure and flow of a stock Jeep pump? For example the one I have on an 84 CJ-7 258???

"Talk to LakeRat or take the box apart and look at the spool valve area. Get some fittings that are rated for 3000psi, drill, and weld them on over the holes."


When I drilled the side of the box I just tapped the holes and screwed in the fittings. Are you saying they should have been welded instead because the threaded fittings will fail? ( I haven't had a chance to drive the jeep yet and test the system)

Now that I think about it they did not go in very deep but did thread in fine.

Mine is drilled and tapped into the cast iron and I have had no problems.

Phil
But I did have lots of problems back when I tried to go the easy way and weld/drill the aluminum caps.