Well i am seriously concidering a new toy for not a whole hella lot of cash :D and the AK seems to fit the bill. Basicly what i want is your first hand info/input on what model you have/had and likes and dislikes of that make/model. Also any tips you can throw around to an AK newb. :flipoff2:

i realy realy LOOOVE the look of an AMD 65 and was wondering how hard it is to convert a basic AK to this variant. Is it just change out parts and use the old reciever or what? also does anyone just sell a FINISHED AK reciever ? not an 80% or "in white" but a finished reciever so i can make an AMD65 without having to buy a whole gun first .

thanks and keep the info comming

I love my AK.

It's a cheap-ass commie-rifle, but unlike some of my more expensive guns, it has NEVER failed to fire. I shoot the cheap russian Wolf ammo through it, rarely clean it, and kick it around the campsite like a stray dog that just stole my steak and pissed on my tent.

For the price, you can't go wrong with an AK.

Be careful as to what you get. Stay away from some of the Romanian ones as they will only accept single stack mags so you can't use High capacity with them or you will have to pay thru the nose for special ones. For an AMD65 Best bet would be to buy a parts kit and a reciever and build your own. Alot cheaper. Just my .02

http://villian007.tripod.com/

WHEEEEEEEE!!!!! (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/AK_WASR_RIFLE_w__Folding_Stock__Bayonet_Lug__Break .html)

For the bulk of your questions, www.ak-47.net

I've seen AMD65's sell at AIM Surplus, along with a number of other complete imported AK variants. Their stock seems slim at present.

edit: I should also note that since the barrel is only about 13" long, constructing an AMD65 from parts is still quite illegal.

Another link you may find helpful..

http://www.ak-47.net/ak47/amd.html


Dammit too slow....

ya i have been reading on the assortment of AK boards for the last few days. and i also learned that the diffrence between high and low cap mag usage is a dremel tool away :flipoff2:

I want a nice "evil" rifle :D and the AMD seems to fit that bill :laughing:


keep throwing info and hints..i am all ears

i hear they shoot better if you dress like this

http://www.travelindochina.com.au/images/Photo/Vietnam/lge.fieldgirl.jpg

edit: I should also note that since the barrel is only about 13" long, constructing an AMD65 from parts is still quite illegal.

get a longer muzzle break from a couple of diffrent places or pay for the tax stamp on a short rifle :evil:

I imagine you've also read up on milled vs. stamped receivers, too.

Generally, stay away from Chinese manufactured AKs for anything but a cheap beater.

IIRC, Bulgarian actions were most desired by the builders.

get a longer muzzle break from a couple of diffrent places or pay for the tax stamp on a short rifle :evil:

re: the tax stamp, you kinda cross the line delineating "cheap" and the other choices... plus, you live in MD... plus, you essentially give the ATF permission to search you whenever they feel like it. Class 3 can be a royal pain in the rump.

"The AK-47 assault rifle, the prefered weapon of your enemy. Makes a distinctive sound when fired at you." :flipoff2:

re: the tax stamp, you kinda cross the line delineating "cheap" and the other choices... plus, you live in MD... plus, you essentially give the ATF permission to search you whenever they feel like it. Class 3 can be a royal pain in the rump.

i will just stick the longer brake on it :laughing: these fawkers around here scare me :D

"I'm Mean, Nasty, and Tired. I piss Napalm, and Chew Concertina Wire and I can put a round thru a Flea's ass at 500 meters, so do me a favor mutt face and go hump someone elses leg before I push yours in"

Great Movie.:lol:

What kind of prices are you seeing on these guns anyway?

i hear they shoot better if you dress like this

http://www.travelindochina.com.au/images/Photo/Vietnam/lge.fieldgirl.jpg


http://home.grics.net/~goudie/images/laughing1LOLgirls_small.gif

And Chem Brings the Funny. :laughing:

What kind of prices are you seeing on these guns anyway?

base model decent AK able to take high cap mags and not fawked $350

AMD 65 "parts kit" 150-165

I've got an AK-74, and actually prefer the 5.45x39 cal to the 7.62, mainly because the 5.45 is more accurate, has a more flat trajectory, and has less recoil. Downside is it's not as easy to come by.

Stay away from Hesse/Vulcan recievers. Their ejector rails are not heat treated, and tend to be rather soft. Mine has worn out, and had I known then what I know now, I would have not gotten one built from a Hesse reciever.

You might also look into the Vepr variants, made by robarms. They're extremely nice, and damn accurate. I've shot one in the 7.62 cal and loved it. I'm planning on getting one in the 5.45 cal for my next AK purchase.

ok has anyone MADE thier own AK from a flat reciever? i am looking at this and with my basic machining/welding/knifesmithing skills i think i could easily do that :eek:

and for the "Thats illegal" people :flipoff2:
With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a nonlicensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms.
However, a person is prohibited from making a semiautomatic assault weapon or assembling a nonsporting semiautomatic rifle or nonsporting shotgun from
imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be
approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a federal or state agency. [18 U. S. C. 922( o), (r), (v), and 923, 27 CFR 178.39, 178.40, 178.41 and 179.105]

Link for what i am talkin about (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=51&t=65328)

Whoever said Romanian's can't accept double stack is dead wrong. I have several Romanian AK variants that are all all double stack SAR-1, SAR-2, SAR-3, WASR-10's all are double stack.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/NEW_AK_WASR_RIFLE_w__Bayonet_Lug___Muzzle_Break.ht ml

There is a WASR-10 for 329. I've shot thousands of rounds through my WASR-10 and have never had a problem. Awesome gun for a cheap price.

Look at the SAIGA, 5.45x39, 5.56x45, 7.62x39, 308. New, affordable (<$300) and convert nicely.

I just bought the 308 w/ 16" barrel (also available in 22") and love it.

These aren't mine, but should give you an idea...

http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/images/SaigaHG.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/kubala98@sbcglobal.net/Saiga_R.jpg

ok has anyone MADE thier own AK from a flat reciever? i am looking at this and with my basic machining/welding/knifesmithing skills i think i could easily do that :eek:

and for the "Thats illegal" people :flipoff2:
With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a nonlicensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms.
However, a person is prohibited from making a semiautomatic assault weapon or assembling a nonsporting semiautomatic rifle or nonsporting shotgun from
imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be
approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a federal or state agency. [18 U. S. C. 922( o), (r), (v), and 923, 27 CFR 178.39, 178.40, 178.41 and 179.105]



Maybe contact that old boy on here from Pakistan. Maybe he has first hand knowledge of the manufacturing that went on in his neck of the woods from the Soviet invasion. I read that there was quite a few backyard machinists putting AK's out during that time.

Maybe contact that old boy on here from Pakistan. Maybe he has first hand knowledge of the manufacturing that went on in his neck of the woods from the Soviet invasion. I read that there was quite a few backyard machinists putting AK's out during that time.

thinking about a 80% reciever because it is already heat treated... and it counts as a US built part
:flipoff2: :laughing:

its only $60 till the gun shop rapes me on FFL shipment :shaking:

I have assembled 3 different AKs on both the Ohio ordinance and the global trades receivers. For $70 you can buy a complete reciever vs $ 40-50 for a flat. I would recomend a regular type AK for the first build over the 65. Granted the 65 is fun, but the12.5" barrel vs the 16.5 barrel on a standard AK makes a big difference in accuracy. Contrary to what others may say a Hungarian or Bulgarian variant is quite accurate out to about 200 yards, after that the bullet drops quite a bit. The 7.62x39 is balisticaly similar to the 30-30 and muzzle velocity is a consistant 2400FPS. An extended brake has to be either 1100 degree soldered on or welded, making it a permanant part of the barrel.
If you can find an '"AMD63" parts kit to build they are very well made and have a deffinite accuracy edge over the 65. Make sure to comply with US Parts regulations.
Tapco WWW.Tapco.com has a complete kit that they are selling for the 65 with all Us Compliance parts you will need. If you have any questions feel free to shoot me an e-mail as I am not on pirate nearly as much as I used to be.

how do you feel on the tapped and bolted vrs. riveted ? ::edit nevermind ya answered that :::

I am looking at the ohio ordanance one as it looks killer for the price. I may or may not go with a full barrel. i just like short CQB toys :evil: :laughing:

If the shop wants more than $30 for a transfer tell them to get bent. I have seen some interesting jigs for bending flats and the best one I have seen was made out of four peices of flat steel that were stacked togtherand the receiver flat was bent over themand they were removed from the center after it was bent. Building a receiver is more infinitely difficult than buying one and it can cost you more in the long run. I build my rifles with grade 8 button head machine screws wo They can be dissasembled at a later date if need be. It is much easier than pressing rivits and using a buckinb bar and a press. To properly rivet a rifle togther the barrel needs to be pressed out. This affects head space and is a real PIA.

A nice Romanian AK can be found that will be reliagle and fairly accurate for $300-$370.
Do not pay over $400 for a Romanian avoid the WASR as they wer single stack AK converted to double stack and don't function quite as well.

The Global Trades Receiver is better in my opinion, it is made of thicker sheet metal and is much stronger than the Ohio ordinance, which is a good receiver, but there a few little problems with it that bug me that are not present on the Global Trades Receiver. The selector lever gap being the main one. The global trades receiver is more work though, since the receiver is thicker the front and rear trunions have to be ground or machined down to fit in the reciever.
As for the durability of Screwing vs Riveting, riveting is ultimately stronger, but one guy on the AK forum had well over 10,000 rounds through a screwed togther build and no problems at all. Make sure to use either red or green locktite on all fasteners, I use red. The green is cylindrical locking and rumor is it doesn't come apart. The red will release if the screw is heated with a soldering gun of sufficient wattage.

Generally, stay away from Chinese manufactured AKs for anything but a cheap beater.


Hey, leave my cheap Chinese beaters alone! :flipoff2: I've got 2 Norinco's and they just keep on shootin'. I didn't realy get them for the accuracy anyway. If you hold them just right they will empty a 30-rounder in a big hurry. :D

well first shop i stopped at wanted $30 to transfer a shotgun but $50 to transfer a reciever or pistol :rolleyes: gonna call a few more tomorow

Sorry Gil, my roommate was yelling wondering what the thumping was. I pointed out the loud stereo downstairs and all was well. Then I grabbed my phone and it was dead. I'm waiting for it to charge back up.

I am realy realy concidering a laser cut reciever. that shit looks stronger and better than the shit i have seen.

ooooh nooooo some 90 degree welding and some heat treating :D never done that before

might even cyro treat it before i make it 100% :evil:

Any experience with the 9x39? Thoughts?

I've got an AK-74, and actually prefer the 5.45x39 cal to the 7.62, mainly because the 5.45 is more accurate, has a more flat trajectory, and has less recoil. Downside is it's not as easy to come by.

Stay away from Hesse/Vulcan recievers. Their ejector rails are not heat treated, and tend to be rather soft. Mine has worn out, and had I known then what I know now, I would have not gotten one built from a Hesse reciever.

You might also look into the Vepr variants, made by robarms. They're extremely nice, and damn accurate. I've shot one in the 7.62 cal and loved it. I'm planning on getting one in the 5.45 cal for my next AK purchase.

..ditto...All true...I have the 74 and prefer it over the 47

The AK-47, invented by Mikhail Klashnikov (hey, I could have the spelling wrong).

He doesn't get one stinking ruble in royalties, or anything, for every one produced.

So, he's putting his name on a new vodka that will be available in the US and Europe...

Capitalism comes to Mother Russia.

Yep, I saw a documentary on that with an interview of him. Kinda sucks; build this or else, sell millions of units of all different variations for us, and we'll pay you............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .....................nothing :flipoff2:

well first shop i stopped at wanted $30 to transfer a shotgun but $50 to transfer a reciever or pistol :rolleyes: gonna call a few more tomorow


Who are you trying to get to do the transfer. I know a place that will do it in Glen Burnie and I "think" it would be $30 no matter what it is.

Also you should check the MD state assault weapons laws as they are really wierd. If MD says it is an assault rifle you have to go through the wait and state background check just like for a handgun. My Bushy M4 is classified an assault weapon only because the barrel tapers down under the hand guards.

well it seems i am going to use the weld up reciever because its cheap :D and well its cheap :D but because i can get a better product than a flat sheet that is pressed. all the bad i have heard about it is "they are hard to weld" :confused: its a friggen box. its NOT hard to weld :laughing:

now i need to decide on an upper style i want :D

If I were building one I'd want to build an AN-94 clone. :D


I think you should consider AR style sights, since you're more familiar with them AND they're better. I would also suggest black polymer furniture because IT LOOKS TOTALLY EVIL. :evil: :D :D :D


http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

If I were building one I'd want to build an AN-94 clone. :D


I think you should consider AR style sights, since you're more familiar with them AND they're better. I would also suggest black polymer furniture because IT LOOKS TOTALLY EVIL. :evil: :D :D :D


http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

that gun i dont care for..

polymer stocks are a given. i hate wood in a combat weapon. i want to be able to butt stroke a skull and not split the stock :D



well and its evil :evil:

Maybe contact that old boy on here from Pakistan. Maybe he has first hand knowledge of the manufacturing that went on in his neck of the woods from the Soviet invasion. I read that there was quite a few backyard machinists putting AK's out during that time.
:).. In fact.. I am planning to do a pictorial on the manufacturing of guns here in Pakistan pretty soon.. It is rumoured that they even have a local version of the Barretta pistol on the papers now..
:)
Ehsan

:).. In fact.. I am planning to do a pictorial on the manufacturing of guns here in Pakistan pretty soon.. It is rumoured that they even have a local version of the Barretta pistol on the papers now..
:)
Ehsan


can you ship me some..enclosed in a steel box that is stamped "JEEP" so it isnt noticed :flipoff2:

If I were building one I'd want to build an AN-94 clone. :D


I think you should consider AR style sights, since you're more familiar with them AND they're better. I would also suggest black polymer furniture because IT LOOKS TOTALLY EVIL. :evil: :D :D :D


http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

Black looks good and evil, but the traditional wood gives that "I'm a third world, shit kicking revolutionary and I'm here for your children" impression. :D

nothing says "I'm comfortable with my manhood" like a an AR with pink furniture.

nothing says "I'm comfortable with my manhood" like a an AR with pink furniture.


Planning on joining Pink Pistols? :flipoff2: :rainbow:

Black looks good and evil, but the traditional wood gives that "I'm a third world, shit kicking revolutionary and I'm here for your children" impression. :D


True. A nice blondwood AK looks real classic (and mean). I'm still partial to the look of smooth, black, evil plastic guns though.

nothing says "I'm comfortable with my manhood" like a an AR with pink furniture.

i was thinking OD green and black on the whole thing :D

I went an showed bev the "plum" colored stuff and she was like "oooh purple guns" :laughing:

well i will be getting the AMD-65 kits this week. the place i ordered from fawked up a little so to make it up i am getting HANDPICKED kits for $79 each :D

ordered 2 screw kits and now i am just waiting on info as to weather i am going to have someone who is trying to hook me up with a free/near free FFL transfer or if i want to suck up the $30 fee or get balsy and build my own

True. A nice blondwood AK looks real classic (and mean). I'm still partial to the look of smooth, black, evil plastic guns though.

I can't be too bias since I have a AR that is getting ready to come under my command :D

HANDPICKED kits for $79 each :D

You Suck.

Somebody has been putting the search function to good use. :laughing:

Somebody has been putting the search function to good use. :laughing:

Hey, the guy said "have at it". So I did. :grinpimp:

You Suck.

this thread is over a year old fucker :flipoff2:
Now stop bringing back old gun threads :laughing:

:laughing:

You suck so bad I had to drag up that thread to let you know. :smokin:

In my defense that was the oldest thread I dragged up. Most of the others were less than 5 months old. I consider that fair game.

Think of it as rigorous testing of the revamped search feature. :laughing:

this thread is over a year old fucker :flipoff2:
Now stop bringing back old gun threads :laughing:


I was looking through old gun threads to move and ran across this. :laughing:

So... Doc, how many AK/AK variants have you built since this began? Nearly 2 years...

I was looking through old gun threads to move and ran across this. :laughing:

So... Doc, how many AK/AK variants have you built since this began? Nearly 2 years...

ummm..a few :laughing: It just shows you that if you are determined and cheap you can learn shit :flipoff2:

Thanks for the quick response. :flipoff2:

Yeah, I've learned a lot on your threads. Keep the gun tech coming. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the quick response. :flipoff2:

Yeah, I've learned a lot on your threads. Keep the gun tech coming. :thumbsup:

Yeah its amazing how far things have gone in the past two years and four days.
I still can't believe the collection of parts I am gathering all because of Doc's threads.

I still can't believe the collection of parts I am gathering all because of Doc's threads.

I had NOTHING to do with that :laughing: