Any of you guys seen these things in action on a Zuk? They are cheap :eek:

6 ply 33 x 13.50 is only $119 at National Tire and Wheel (http://www.natltire.com/ntw0799/pages/swampers.html) .

Here's Interco's info.... (http://www.intercotire.com/html/ltb.htm)

Those look pretty "old school", but that isnt always a good thing.

Hell that tire doesn't look too bad! And at such a cheap price, makes ya wonder if its any good!?! :confused:

Might be worth a try?

Originally posted by scwafish
Those look pretty "old school", but that isnt always a good thing.

They are made overseas, supposedly with natural rubber. I wonder if that means they are softer? They seem like an updated bias ply TSL. If I can't find some used Claws soon I might just pick up a set.

Okay, these tires have been around for almost two years, but no one knew about them - they weren't even on Interco's website until about 2-3 months ago, AFAIK. They're made in (I think) India out of mostly natural rubber. They're very soft, wear out faster than a standard TSL, and supposedly much more grippy than the standard TSLs on rocky stuff. Maybe the next best thing to the sticky-mickey's drag racing compound?

Sipe the center lugs and you may have one hell of a rock tire? (That's funny - I'm trying to tell you what tire is good for rocks!) :laughing:

They have a bit more sidewall lug going on than the standard ones, almost like the 34x9.50s my buddy has on his CJ5. Notice the words cast into the outer lugs, and the weird shape of the center tread:

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Here's the swampers I may end up running - standard TSL in Q78 (36x11) for no real reason. Just felt like posting it...

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I looked into these before realizing that I would look goofy with a tire that small under my toy, as high as it will be... Here's the only decent
LTB thread (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24278) - there are others, but they're pointless.

Originally posted by Yota_san
Okay, these tires have been around for almost two years, but no one knew about them - they weren't even on Interco's website until about 2-3 months ago, AFAIK. They're made in (I think) India out of mostly natural rubber. They're very soft, wear out faster than a standard TSL, and supposedly much more grippy than the standard TSLs on rocky stuff. Maybe the next best thing to the sticky-mickey's drag racing compound?

Sipe the center lugs and you may have one hell of a rock tire? (That's funny - I'm trying to tell you what tire is good for rocks!) :laughing:

LTB thread (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24278) - there are others, but they're pointless.

I followed that thread a while back but must have missed the pricing. Looks like a good deal and you could easily sipe the center lugs. I faxed Interco a request for an evaluation set, I'd really love to see what they could do.

I vaguely remember reading an evaluation of them in either 4Wheeler or Peter-skins, too.

I can't remember which, it was a long while back. I know I'm trusting the "We-cant-really-say-anything-negative-because-they-fund-us-with-ads" magazine tire reviews here, but this was their thing...

Whoever wrote the article supposedly had a steep dry hillclimb near them that they could never scale before with (I think) 12.50 standard TSL swampers, and the LTBs climbed it without spinning a tire.

Just stay away from sand and loose soil. The P78 buckshots I ran before my MT/Rs were alot like those as far as width and tread agressiveness (<a href="http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/buckshot/tire17.jpg">See?</a>) are concerned... P78 is about 33x10.50. These tires would DIG. If you're on something loose, they'll switch to excavation mode, but you don't really run anything like that, so it shouldn't be a concern. But if you move to somewhere muddy, you'll love the skinnies.

You'll also get quite a bit of power back, because they'll weigh a lot less than your 15.50s did... again, not really a concern for your trailer queen. You're more apt to drop a tire into a small hole or get body damage because they won't fend things off as well (unless you remember the company's name that makes a 7" wide wheel that has very little backspacing - I forget it).

But they'll be easier on the steering than the ultra-fats, and will hold a line much better, especially when the terrain is wet.

[EDIT:] Anyone want a set of buckshots? They're for sale cheap ;););)

I like 'em:D

Have you run 'em?

NO, I wouldn't mind trying them though, the price looks good to me.

Oops. :emb3: just saw you want to get the 13.50 size. I was thinking you were looking at the 34x10.50s for some reason. Ignore all previous comments about the merits & problems of running pizza cutters.

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Anyone running these now or know anyone who is. I have a $250 credit, and I'm gonna get two new tires...leaning towards these in 33x13.5".

A friend of mine has then on his trail only zuk, and they work great in the mud, but that's all we've tested them in so far.

Previous posts indicated a softer compound and made in India. Interco told me they are now made in Mexico and the "tech expert" *thought* the compound was the same as regular swampers, but he obviously did not know for sure, and neither did anyone else at Interco according to this guy. :rolleyes:

I'm confident they will do great in the mud, but wondering if they are still nice and sticky on the rocks.

looks like a good tire to me. and cheap too :D

i just hooked my brother up on a set of 31x11.50's for his sami.....they look/ride pretty damn cool.

i'd run them...and hell the price is right.

on a light vehicle like a sami wear shouldn't be too much of an issue.

OK for anyone else who cares, I did a little hands on investigation over lunch. Went up to 4wp and compared a TSL, Radial TSL, LTB, and SX.

Radial TSL was a 38", LTB was a 34" and the TSL & SX was a 33".

The LTB and Radial TSL had a noticeably harder compound than the regular TSL or SX. TSL and SX seemed similar. The lug spacing on the side lugs and the center tread was a little tighter on the LTB than the others.

So for pure off road, my conclusion is the standard TSL will probably be better than an LTB. The LTB will probably ride slightly quiter and last a little longer and its cheaper upfront. My guess is that this is the real point of the LTB, even thought Interco cant or wont explain why it exists....more economical (price and tread life) and a little better road manners (closer lug spacing=less noicse).

It does still look like a great tire at a great price, but I want something sticky for the rocks, so I'm gonna go with the std TSL. They are only $15/tire more.

I am running them from a month. Seller said there are made at Mexico, but in the side say "Made in USA".
The picture on the magazines certainly does not show them as good as they really looks.
The rubber compound seems to be less soft than my previous boggers, but are as heavy and hards as them.
I paid Usd 107 each one at National tire.
I am actually breaking in my R&P sets, so I already drove 400 miles over pavement, and I only noticed that half of the depth of Super Swamper words over the lugs are wear out. I remember my first ride with boggers I left rubber on the street when I turned the steering.

As bottom line, Ltb looks great and seems to wear less than Boggers. I never had Tsls.

I am happy with them.

If someone have a web address to post a picture or email a picture to him to post it here, I have a picture of my Ltb 33X13.50 mounted on 15X10 beadlocked wheel.

here ya go...

pic2

Thanks shrock, pictures looks great.

Shit Bravo, you should of warned us to put on some sunglasses! I'll bet that thing glows in the dark even!:flipoff2:

Interesting... it has the 35x15 TSL tread pattern.

You can't really go by the pics in the mags, since TSL tread patterns vary widely on size & width - unless you buy the same size as what's pictured in the magazine, it'll look different.

The pic in the mags is of the 34x10.50. That's why it looks a lil' different.

yeah i compared 34x10 to to 33x12. This looks like more aggressive spacing than rhe 34. the compound was harder though too. does that vary by size?

AFAIK, the compund is the same in lines (SX's all have same rubber, LTBs all use the a different comound, etc.)

I am absolutely certain that one of the 4 wheel mags had a review of these a long time ago when still in the development stages, and they said that they were foreign made & used a lot of natural rubber. This made them cheaper and stickier at the same time... Maybe something changed?

Anyway, they look good, let s know how you like 'em when they've seen some more miles.

According to Interco, I called them, they did move production to Mexico from India. The tires say US accoring to reports though. The tech expert I talked to said he thought the compound was the same as the regular TSL, but it was clear he wasnt certain. My fingernail test says it is harder, and the 4wp guy agreed. It may have been softer in the india days. Too bad interco cant answer these simple questions.

I run the 33x13.5-15 Swamper LTBs on my zuk. Here's some pics.

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians04.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians05.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians06.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians07.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians08.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians15.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians16.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians17.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians18.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians19.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~asheng/images/june15-16brians02/large/brians20.jpg

Anton

how well do they work on the rocks:vader: :vader2: :trooper: ;) :zzz:

Ok Im thinking about the 34x10.5 I run yota axles on my zuk. I have no problems currently with my 33 tsls but want a lil more height.
We have mud around here but I also get out to the black hills and do some seriouse rock playin.

What do you guys think of that 34 ltb.
besides its being It cheap (affordable :)
Anyone got pics of 34 x10 on the zuk
What size rim should one use? I dont want to lose the stability I have with tyhe 10 inch rims I have now.

Originally posted by nozuk
how well do they work on the rocks
Judging by the garden edging fender flares... I'd say he's more familiar with the mud. ;)

or lives somewhere fender flares are required to cover tires

Actually, I hate the mud. It gets in everything and is a pain to clean :flipoff2:

I like rocks and water most. I tried it on some rocks, and it did well, but I kept sliding off the rocks.. This could be becuase the rocks are wet (it was raining on an off that day), or becuase my tires are at 30 PSI and they weren't wrapping around the rocks at all. I forgot to air down after I seated the beads.. hehe.

As for the lawn edging flares, I put thoes on when my truck was being driven on the street, to aviod hassles with the cops, and i don't think it looks too bad.

Anton

Originally posted by AntonS


Anton


Uh oh..............:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Any input on airing these down ? The Zukes are light, do you get aired down to 6-8 psi ? The 34 x 10.5 x 15 is load rated at 2600 lbs........... Are you getting any bulge at what psi ? I don't/can't run beadlocks................ Daily driver. Do you think they would be too stiff for a 3400 lb Amigo ?

All the info I gathered on these says they are much harder then the tsl's. I coudn't even get them at Les Schwab. I am just going to go for some 33 12.5 tsl's.
As for being to stiff for an amigo, well if they aren't to bad on a zook, your rig being heavier would make the tires buldge out more. Also with them being harder they will probably get better longevity out of them.

THIS THREAD: BACK FROM THE DEAD

Starting some tire research now, and have been doing all sorts of searches on TSL SX's, LTB's, Boggers, Radials, Thornbirds, Super Swampers, TrXus's, and som on... and came across this ancient thread.

Does anyone have anything new, or real world experience they can add here, seeing as how it's almost a 2 year old thread?

The LTB's are kinda appealing to me for the aformentioned reasons, and because I can get Super Swamper LTB (LTB-07) (http://www.intercotire.com/html/ltb.htm) in 34x10.50-15's.

But the Special Service Super Swamper (SAM-14) (http://www.intercotire.com/html/special_service.htm) 34x9.50's are kinda tempting too since I'm not a big wide tire fan, and am going to try to fit the tallest tire I can in the Zook without major body surgery (yet).

If the Super Swamper TSL / SX's (http://www.intercotire.com/html/tsl___sx.htm) came in a skinnier size, I would just go with them, but as you can see, i am thinking about going as tall as possible without breaking the 11 inch barrier so as to eliminate any rubbing at full tilt.

These tires will be under my Samurai with 22R, L45 4sp., RF1A T-Case, 82 axles, and stock Samurai springs unless more mods are needed. (Still figuring that part out. LOL)

I ran the 31X11.5's right after I did my springover. They ran good. Good traction on the rocks and in the mud. The 31's were a little stiff, but not much side wall on a 31". I had a hell of a time balancing them so I just left the weights off. I have been eyeballing the 34X10.5 as welll. Good size and not as wide. Plus, they are cheap!

ONLY $123.99 (http://www.4wheelparts.com/product2.asp?imseqn=2045&occlass=INTE&cat=TIR)

Ks-Zuk

Originally posted by Ks-Zuk
I have been eyeballing the 34X10.5 as welll. Good size and not as wide. Plus, they are cheap!

ONLY $123.99 (http://www.4wheelparts.com/product2.asp?imseqn=2045&occlass=INTE&cat=TIR)

Ks-Zuk




Check again! Even CHEAPER! :D

I've been dieing to get a set of the 34x10.50s for a while now. I think they are a pefect Sami size

My bad, I was thinking 34X10.5, but was looking at Anton's 33X13.5's. I like the look of his rig, especially the www.gotzuk.com sticker on the window :D

Originally posted by Joe_W
I've been dieing to get a set of the 34x10.50s for a while now. I think they are a pefect Sami size



I think I fully agree. Taller tire without having to lift more like you would with a 35.

C'mon, surely someone else has an opinion or experience on this subject... :confused:

Originally posted by Chemical442





Check again! Even CHEAPER! :D

Chem, what website is that?

One of the guys I wheel with is running the 34x10.5 LTB, they are taller than the 34x9.5s by about and inch. first impression are pretty good .. but thay have not been extensively tested/used yet on his rig ...

Should do well in the local conditions .. especially during winter ..

Originally posted by Snakeman


Chem, what website is that?

http://www.4wheelparts.com/product2.asp?imseqn=2045&occlass=INTE&cat=TIR


Originally posted by guy_r
One of the guys I wheel with is running the 34x10.5 LTB, they are taller than the 34x9.5s by about and inch. first impression are pretty good .. but thay have not been extensively tested/used yet on his rig ...

Should do well in the local conditions .. especially during winter ..


Does he think they are a noticeably harder compound? Let us know how he ends up liking them, would ya? :D

Will do .. I expect to see his truck out and about quite a bit in the next few weeks ... will let you know how it all goes ..

Oh yeah, he reckons the rubber compound is softer than his mates 34x9.5's

Height wise...

34x9.5 LTB - 33.6"

33x12.5 TSL - 33.7"

The 33 TSL runs big. They are an inch taller than a 33 BFG or MTR. Dont let that "34" get ya too excited. :D


They are a little cheaper, but I compared them side by side and the compound on the LTB was noticeable harder.... my $.02.

I'm running the 34x10.5's on my zuk. They seem to work fairly well in the rocks and such. I haven't run anything other than 31x10.5 TSL's in the past though so there is going to be much better tires out there but for the price these work pretty well.

I've got some pics of how they perform on my site (http://www.rokzuki.com/samurai/hollister/index.html) in the latest Hollister section. I don't have any good pictures showing them flexing but was told that they did flex decently. I was running too low of pressure in them and lost a bead late in the day though.

The red zuk in those pics is that the one that rolled at zookimelt a few years ago ? It looks just like it .

Erich ran a set briefly and was selling them IIRC.

I have a buddy that runs them, and they do excelent in the mud and good on the rocks, but not as good as a cheap MT radial.

They appear to flex better than the TSL from what I have seen, and the tread compound seems softer, though I haven't compared them side to side.

My only complaint with a swamper is that they are too stiff. You have to air down to bead risking pressures to get them to flex across the tread well.
BUT,
That is also why they are so durable.

It just depends on what type of wheeling you do. I like a radial for what I do.

This might help a little,
34LTB on a stock toy rim (6.5?) and 33TSL on a 8" rim both at ~25psi
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/4/web/364000-364999/364342_31_full.jpg

I've heard these wear really fast. how do they wear compared to a regular TSL?

The guy SIlverzuk is talking about runs 31 LTB's, he stepped down from 32SX's. His 31's have very some tread compound. They are wearing decent however. Way softer and much more pliable on the rocks compared to the SX's.

They flex very well at lower pressures. Around 8ish. 6 would be better but he doesnt run beadlocks. His SX's needed to be at 4psi, but he wouldnt go lower than 8ish, which was way yo much for a zuk.

That being said I ran 33TSLs on my heep for a year or so and the LTB's are definately softer than the TSL's i had.

I think Silverzuk is scared of swampers:flipoff2: , i love my Bias swampers for the undeniable sidewall strength. I still dont know how he keeps from blowing sidewalls in his radials.

The LTB's perform very well in east coast conditions, wet muddy rocks and roots. He likes them and when he swaps in the d44's he will probably get the 34's.

I ran my TSL's at 5psi. Flexed great and I only lost a bead one time....when I tried to play bulldozer with a boulder that was bigger than my Sammi. :D Yeah, 8psi is way to much for bias swampers on a Sammi.

I would agree. I ran 8 psi the first time I took the boggers out. I tried a rock hill, no luck. Came back down, put them down to 5 pis and walked right up :D

If the made them in a 35"x13.5"R15 I would buy them in a second.

I had them, but they were on a Suburban, so things might be a bit different with the baby trucks.

I loved them on the trail. The sidewalls took a pretty good lashing without ever making me worry. They seemed to grip well and stuck to the rocks without any problems. On the flip side, they were stiff as hell. I ran my burb at 12lbs and could barely notice the sidewalls bulge. I could only imagine a Sami would need to run under 8 to get any sort of flex out of them.

I hated them on the road. It was like a rabid gorilla was assaulting my truck any time I went over 45mph. Tire wear was horrible, but I never had the beast aligned, so that might have attributed, plus the shaking was NOT gentle at all to them. I also drive 35 miles a day to/from work on the freeway. We finally gave up on trying to balance them all together and just settled for 5 golf balls in each one. It was the best we could get it.

Overall, I would say using them on a trail rig would be fine, but on DD, avoid them.

Hope that helps

Originally posted by Chemical442




Does he think they are a noticeably harder compound? Let us know how he ends up liking them, would ya? :D [/B]

This would be me.

I was originally after the 34X9.5 tsl even swaying towards Q78's but couldn't go past the price of the LTB's, I bought mine when the Aussie dollar was at its strongest of recent times so I got a plenty $$$'s off.

I have only used them offroad a couple of times, so far I am very happy, they will really need breaking in, the compound is alot more "rubbery" than the 34X9.5 as Guy said, I am currently running them at 6-7 PSI without beadlocks and they aren't really bagging yet but as I said they will break in more.

I drive my zook to work on occasion with welded rear stock engine and 6:1 and its OK (Only a couple of miles to and from work though) they don't seem to be wearing fast as I heard they would, even with the welded rear and about 1000 miles on them you can still rear the writing on the lugs.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13482&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=180

http://photos.zuwharrie.com/users/whitfimb/MVC001F.JPG


34x10.50-15 on 8 " rock crawlers, SPOA with shackles up front... Yet to get outa the drive way, Need to swap them to the trail rig as this DD set up has no clearance. Just stuck them on there to see what they looked like.

The 38x16-15's on my trail rig are killing my turning radius.

http://photos.zuwharrie.com/users/whitfimb/IMG27.JPG