: LSD in Selec-Trac IFS front Dana30?????
Liberty-4-All 02-13-2002, 09:37 AM I am thinking about adding a LSD in the front of a Dana 30 with IFS. It has Full-Time 4WD ( Selec-Trac ) and I want to know if the LSD is going to hurt on road performance when in Full-Time 4WD. I am looking for better off road performance but do not think a locker is prudent in a Dana30 with an aluminum housing on an IFS vehicle. I also do a lot of off camber stuff on slippery surfaces and don't want to have a locker ( low side finder ) pulling me into any weird situations. I was thinking a Detroit Truetrac might work and would not affect street driving too much. Any thoughts will be appreciated.
i think you should leave you POS liberty stock and build a real off road trail rig. the thought of you even thinking your ifs liberty is a off road rig cracks me up. just to set you straight it is :rainbow:
Liberty-4-All 02-13-2002, 11:01 AM Originally posted by camo
i think you should leave you POS liberty stock and build a real off road trail rig. the thought of you even thinking your ifs liberty is a off road rig cracks me up. just to set you straight it is :rainbow:
That sounds like a standard answer that I should expect on POR. Now, is there anyone that can step up and give a helpful answer. Just looking for some "good insight" to the original question.
Monkeyboy 02-13-2002, 11:03 AM Um ya I have some advise let me dig it up for you
Monkeyboy 02-13-2002, 11:04 AM Oh ya here it is I knew I saw it some where.
Originally posted by camo
i think you should leave you POS liberty stock and build a real off road trail rig. the thought of you even thinking your ifs liberty is a off road rig cracks me up. just to set you straight it is :rainbow:
Liberty-4-All 02-13-2002, 11:13 AM Originally posted by Monkeyboy
Oh ya here it is I knew I saw it some where.
Very creative ruse you pulled off there. I did not even see it coming.
LOL good one monkey boy.
so if you knew that was gonna be the snswer to your question why did you ask it and then act like i should answer it any diffrently?
you would probally be more suited asking that question on some low rider street truck BB than here. :flipoff2:
Monkeyboy 02-13-2002, 11:18 AM Has JU added a liberty section yet?
Maybe some of the Nissan Xterra guys can help
Liberty-4-All 02-13-2002, 11:26 AM Originally posted by Monkeyboy
Has JU added a liberty section yet?
Maybe some of the Nissan Xterra guys can help
I asked for a couple of reasons:
1) figured someone here will give an intelligible answer sooner or later...
2)wanted to see a couple of good ole boys demonstrate a cyber high five...
RockRanger 02-13-2002, 11:30 AM Mosy of the people here will put lockers in front and rear and not give a damn about on road performance and just deal with the rawbacks. If you want on road maybe put an arb in or something like it. Or better yet just weld the spidergears together.:D As far as a cyber high five the closses you will get here is :flipoff2:
Matt
Old Scout 02-13-2002, 11:31 AM Yea your IFS is :rainbow: .
The Land Rover guys run a rear detroit and front Tru Trac all the time. In case your clueless the Land Rovers are full time as well.
Save your time and $$ It's just a mall crawler.
StinkBug 02-13-2002, 11:44 AM shit dude if you were gonna buy a mall rig you should have just gotten a kia sportage, at least that thing doesn't look like someone kicked the designer in the head. either keep that POS stock or sell that shit, or you could always take a torch to the ifs, ditch the puny little kid axles and weld something real under there, but that would be just as dumb as the lincoln navigator i saw on 44" boggers the other day with 8' of lift.
:flipoff2:NEWBIE
Dallas
Liberty-4-All 02-13-2002, 11:47 AM Originally posted by RockRanger
Mosy of the people here will put lockers in front and rear and not give a damn about on road performance and just deal with the rawbacks. If you want on road maybe put an arb in or something like it. Or better yet just weld the spidergears together.:D As far as a cyber high five the closses you will get here is :flipoff2:
Matt
I am looking for a certain kind of off road performance. Lockers tend to find the low side on off camber slippery surfaces. Lockers are not "always" the best choice ( oh shit, I said it out loud ). I don't want to deal with the mechanical problems of an ARB ( leaks, ect. ). Weld the spider gears ( yeah, I am lighting my torch as I type ). I am just looking for some input on a good LSD. Thanx!
Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
I asked for a couple of reasons:
1) figured someone here will give an intelligible answer sooner or later...
2)wanted to see a couple of good ole boys demonstrate a cyber high five...
well then given the scope of what p4x4 is and the kind of wheeling we do the best advise i can give you if you really wanna rockcrawl your liberty is to install dana 60's front and rear with lockers front and rear. while you are at it it would be cool to do a rear 4 link setup with coilover shocks. since you will be trying to run 40" tires you will have some body clearance issue to deal with so i would recomend getting rid of the stock steel body and just use a fiberglass body that looks like a liberty. since that POS is probally a unibody with out a frame you are gonna need to build a tube frame to hang all the hardware from. i hope this advise helps you with your front locker question on you liberty.
oh ya forgot the high five...
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Belly Dragger 02-13-2002, 11:52 AM Damn you guys are harsh. It is, after all the face of the new Jeep we are talking about. My girlfriend thinks they are cute.
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Seriously I highly doubt you will get an answer to your question other than to say, start with a blue tipped wrench..... at least here on the Pirate BBS. Check out the Liberty forums at http://www.jeepsunlimited.com. Providing DC didn't make radical changes I think you should be able to find a LSD for the front axle.
nice off:
I really don't get it though if you are attempting to improve traction up front indicating you might be taking it off road,,,,, I really don't understand this. I'd have to agree, start with another vehicle leave the Liberty as is. It will be cheaper in the long run.
Believe me I know this to be true, first hand.
Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
. I am just looking for some input on a good LSD. Thanx!
thats a oxymoron. kinda like you but with some oxy. :D
anyhow the the last time i had good LSD was back in college. :flipoff2:
chadl 02-13-2002, 11:58 AM Okay, I'll probably reget this, but my name is chad and I got a Liberty as a daily driver, (I feel like an alcholic when I say that) for light duty off-roadiing when the Wrangler is in the shop, the only mod done so far was to shove a rear tire far enough into the wheelwell to tear off a portion the fender flair, the a$$ end actually flexes pretty well stock, anyway my first thought would does the aluminium housing work with existing aftermarket diff's? You might want to find that out first. I would imagine the limit slip would work fine with the full time four wheel drive, but if not at least you got the 2 wheel drive option with your t-case, if it doesn't. Sorry i can't give any better info, not much experience with full time.
chad
Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
I am looking for a certain kind of off road performance.
Thanx!
And what kind of off road performance are you seeking?
In stock form the Libby is ideal for curb climbing, puddle splashing, and a variety of parking lot maneuvers.
Highly modified, the Libby is ideal for dirt roads, curb hopping, and bashing through 8" snow drifts.
We need to know the range of wheeling you desire.
ok i am done poking fun at liberty boy.
i am sure the liberty is a fine DD and sure they are cute. just had to point out the fact that those of you who think it is a trail worthy rig are dilusional.
really my advise is to leave the thing stock and buy yourself a inexpensive trail rig and then spend your money modify that. then you can go out on the weekends and do some real wheeling and not worry about damaging you DD.
Originally posted by chadl
Okay, I'll probably reget this, but my name is chad and I got a Liberty as a daily driver
chad
You most certainly will. :laughing:
Joe_W 02-13-2002, 12:11 PM Hey Liberty...are you by any chance the guy who rolled his Liberty at Devils Den a couple weeks back? :flipoff2: You will be happy to know that the pic has made it to Pirate already
Monkeyboy 02-13-2002, 12:54 PM Does this post belong in the jeep section or the general chit chat section.
Originally posted by Monkeyboy
Does this post belong in the jeep section or the general chit chat section.
actually this post does not belong on p4x4 :flipoff2:
Monkeyboy 02-13-2002, 01:10 PM Bwahahahahahaha
Liberty-4-All 02-13-2002, 08:07 PM Originally posted by Mitsuzu
Hey Liberty...are you by any chance the guy who rolled his Liberty at Devils Den a couple weeks back? :flipoff2: You will be happy to know that the pic has made it to Pirate already
One in the same. They now call it Liberty Hill. I wheeled for another hour after I rolled it and then drove it home. Damn thing held up pretty good.
Liberty-4-All 02-13-2002, 08:17 PM Originally posted by Mo
And what kind of off road performance are you seeking?
In stock form the Libby is ideal for curb climbing, puddle splashing, and a variety of parking lot maneuvers.
Highly modified, the Libby is ideal for dirt roads, curb hopping, and bashing through 8" snow drifts.
We need to know the range of wheeling you desire.
I know that with IFS the KJ is not going to be the ultimate rock crawler. I have gone to Barnwell Mountain north of Tyler, Tx. Got some pretty funny looks at first but made it just about everywhere. ( Twister, Gails, SpiderVenon ). Had some problems with traction on AT's, but it was to test the KJ out.
I go with guys from the JeepsExclusive club in San Antonio and they are impressed with the KJ's maneuverability and climbing ability. I am building a custom front bumper with a Warn Winch right now. I am chopping the fenders to fit 32's and wanted to add the Detroit TrueTrac up front. I have some US Steel Wheels with custom backspacing for extra track and suspension clearance. When I finish the KJ, I am going looking for a Scrambler. Always been my favorite model. The KJ will be the tow vehicle ( That is why I was asking about the LSD ).
Hayraker 02-13-2002, 08:30 PM tow vehicle:laughing: :laughing:
I was starting to believe you were actually being serious with this post until I saw that, now I know your just screwin with us.
very funny, now come on, who is this, really, this can't be real.
Liberty-4-All 02-13-2002, 08:34 PM Originally posted by Hayraker
tow vehicle:laughing: :laughing:
I was starting to believe you were actually being serious with this post until I saw that, now I know your just screwin with us.
very funny, now come on, who is this, really, this can't be real.
No really...I'm totally serious...flat tow a Scrambler...no shit!!!
seRob 02-13-2002, 11:59 PM Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
When I finish the KJ, I am going looking for a Scrambler. Always been my favorite model. The KJ will be the tow vehicle ( That is why I was asking about the LSD ).
http://www.minorannoyance.net/~spin/Smilies/contrib/blackeye/lol.gif
the Liberty... :laughing: ...as a tow vehicle... :laughing:
stop it :THUD: :THUD: you're killing me
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Liberty-4-All 02-14-2002, 04:23 AM Originally posted by seRob
http://www.minorannoyance.net/~spin/Smilies/contrib/blackeye/lol.gif
the Liberty... :laughing: ...as a tow vehicle... :laughing:
stop it :THUD: :THUD: you're killing me
http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s2/otn/realhappy/xxrotflmao.gif
I knew I would get a laugh out of that one. Thanx for the input. The only thing I will be towing will be a "small" trailer of spares. When I finish the bumper and add the tires, I'll post a pic...that should cause some tears to come to your eyes. If you see me on trail, don't use me to test your RTI.
44Runner 02-14-2002, 07:23 AM Originally posted by Mo
And what kind of off road performance are you seeking?
In stock form the Libby is ideal for curb climbing, puddle splashing, and a variety of parking lot maneuvers.
Highly modified, the Libby is ideal for dirt roads, curb hopping, and bashing through 8" snow drifts.
We need to know the range of wheeling you desire.
Mo, you crack me up, I was laughing out loud for real on that one.
I don't understand this dude, is he BSing us or what? I mean holy crap, you'd think if the SOB has already been rolled, time to put the poor ugly thing out of it misery and hack that IFS off and put a real axle under it. Sawzall anyone?
But on the other hand, why not just buy something that will work better and costs next to nothing and already has 2 good axles? And the tow rig statement? Sounds to me like he was serious and then made like he wasn't after he got laughed at.
oh, and BTW, could one of you post the link to the pic of this thing flopped? I really have to see that, it might deserve to go on my background ;)
chadl 02-14-2002, 07:44 AM But on the other hand, why not just buy something that will work better and costs next to nothing and already has 2 good axles? And the tow rig statement? Sounds to me like he was serious and then made like he wasn't after he got laughed at.
Like a 99 4 Runner, yeah there's a bargin basement 4x4 with a nice solid front axle.
44Runner 02-14-2002, 09:01 AM Originally posted by chadl
Like a 99 4 Runner, yeah there's a bargin basement 4x4 with a nice solid front axle.
Whoa buddy, what is your problem. Never once did I say that was the what I did. Just what I think this guy should do. Besides, mine does have a solid front axle, its just not in there yet... :p
Besides, I wouldn't mind seeing a nicely worked over Liberty so jeep can see what they should have done.
nmujeepin 02-14-2002, 09:02 AM Originally posted by chadl
Okay, I'll probably reget this, but my name is chad and I got a Liberty as a daily driver, (I feel like an alcholic when I say that)
ok just so you all know my name WAS chad until i read this guys post i think now i will change it to dahc
Liberty-4-All 02-14-2002, 09:03 AM Originally posted by chadl
[B]But on the other hand, why not just buy something that will work better and costs next to nothing and already has 2 good axles?
Probably will be doing that in the near future.
And the tow rig statement? Sounds to me like he was serious and then made like he wasn't after he got laughed at.
I am half way serious. I don't know exactly what I will eventually do with the KJ. I own a statewide moving company and have hooked up some big trailers to the KJ. Works well in a pinch. Worried about a little laughter???Nah, I drive a Liberty after all. Sometimes I take my trail dog "Fluffy" with me. She is a party poodle that weights 9.5#. I get the last laugh when I get out of my KJ and I get the look that says " Big guy with a little dog". ( along the lines of the movie "Black Sheep" with Chris Farley...Big Guy in a little coat ).
Anyway, I understand the bias toward lockers. They are superior is most situations. I just don't think the aluminum D30 with IFS and 32's can take the stress. Detroit TrueTrac even warranties the TrueTrac if you run 32's or smaller. With the KJ, it is the best way to go for now.
gunracer1 02-14-2002, 09:14 AM think about it. a liberty tow rig[stop laughing] if he did manage to tow a scramble, how in the hell will he stop it. i have towed some pretty heavy shit with weak set ups but never that weak. ok just a couple of times i towed my fj62 behind my 85 4 runner. but i was desperate, and it was dumb.
StinkBug 02-14-2002, 09:19 AM Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
With the KJ, it is the best way to go for now.
No with a liberty the best way to go is back to the dealer to sell that piece of shit.
Dallas
StinkBug 02-14-2002, 09:21 AM Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
Sometimes I take my trail dog "Fluffy" with me. She is a party poodle that weights 9.5#.
What not enough room in your apartment for the :bender: :rainbow:
:flipoff2:Dallas
Aggro 02-14-2002, 09:25 AM KJ: kids jeep??!
chadl 02-14-2002, 09:26 AM Originally posted by 44Runner
Whoa buddy, what is your problem. Never once did I say that was the what I did. Just what I think this guy should do. Besides, mine does have a solid front axle, its just not in there yet... :p
Besides, I wouldn't mind seeing a nicely worked over Liberty so jeep can see what they should have done.
Sorry, I needed a cigarette, did mean to be a dick, us Liberty owners are a little self conscious. I'm actually debating retubing my YJ's RC D30 for my Liberty once I finally get the new axle in in the YJ, kinda musical axles, but that would be a ways down the road.
TNToy 02-14-2002, 09:33 AM Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
I know that with IFS the KJ is not going to be the ultimate rock crawler.
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Jakesteramalamajama 02-14-2002, 09:38 AM Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
Sometimes I take my trail dog "Fluffy" with me. She is a party poodle that weights 9.5#.
You probably don't wanna party to hard with 'ol fluffy...
...After all, she only weights 9.5 pounds.
No way is this dude for real...
LMFAO :D :flipoff2:
Jake
Jakesteramalamajama 02-14-2002, 09:39 AM Originally posted by Aggro
KJ: kids jeep??!
No.
KJ = Kia Jeep. :D
44Runner 02-14-2002, 09:48 AM Originally posted by chadl
Sorry, I needed a cigarette, did mean to be a dick, us Liberty owners are a little self conscious. I'm actually debating retubing my YJ's RC D30 for my Liberty once I finally get the new axle in in the YJ, kinda musical axles, but that would be a ways down the road.
I don't mind at all that you own one. I personally think they are ugly as hell, but I guess you don't. Hell, you may think my 4Runner is an ugly piece of sh!t, I wouldn't care about that either. What I was trying to say is that I don't, IMHO, think they are very trail worthy, something which you seem to know because I am assuming that is why you have a YJ too. On a much lighter note, I think a 30 under the front of the KJ would be totally sweet, and you should definately do it! I think the dude that started this thread should as well...
nmujeepin 02-14-2002, 09:51 AM you know what i think i will get a liberty too cuz my poodle needs somehwere to sit when i wheel and there is not enough room in the tj....hell maybe i will get a kia cuz you can camp in the back!!!!
Welby 02-14-2002, 09:59 AM Originally posted by Liberty-4-All
I get the last laugh when I get out of my KJ and I get the look that says " Big guy with a little dog". ( along the lines of the movie "Black Sheep" with Chris Farley...Big Guy in a little coat ).
Hey Fawker :flipoff2:
Get it right, it's "Fat guy in a little coat", and it's from "Tommy Boy" :flipoff2:
Why is this thread still here??? :confused:
Originally posted by Welby
Hey Fawker :flipoff2:
Get it right, it's "Fat guy in a little coat", and it's from "Tommy Boy" :flipoff2:
Why is this thread still here??? :confused:
because it was entertaining me. :flipoff2:
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