A while ago Ken (Tmbrtank) started a thread here about dual cases on his Terra. This got me thinking about my traveler and where it will end up once Rock Scout is done.

I talked this idea over with Binderbound a few months ago, then again a few weeks ago and we can't really think of why it wouldn't work.

What I would like to do is get a Drivers drop Dana 44, 50, or 60 and then find a drivers drop divorced NP205 and run it behind my 300. This way i wouldn't have to cut the output off anything and would be somewhat less complicated. During this whole process the truck would be sprung over, but the drivetrain would remain--SD33T-T-19 close-300. New tires and geared accordingly.

I have started looking for a divorced drivers drop NP-205 and only found one, but I am assuming they are out there. So, what am I missing?? Wrong choice for second case?? Is this too out in left field??

It could work. How are you going to mate the 205 to the 300?

I don't see why it wouldn't work. It may take alot of work to get it tucked up flush with the frame, unless you don't care about it hanging down. Running the exhaust might get tight, but you should be able to work around it. I would shoot it straight up through the hood like a tractor, with a flapper valve on the end to keep the rain out. :cool2:

You shouldn't have any problem finding the divorced driver's drop 205, they were in '70's F250s (up to '77). Before that they used a divorced Dana 24, one of those would work too.

It could work. How are you going to mate the 205 to the 300?

I would just divorce it with a small slip-shaft in between the 300 and the 205. I have a 118"WB, so I am hoping I have enough room. We'll see, right now Rock Scout is my main priority, but I figure I can at least keep my eyes open for the needed components, then hopefully start within a year or so??

I don't see why it wouldn't work. It may take alot of work to get it tucked up flush with the frame, unless you don't care about it hanging down. Running the exhaust might get tight, but you should be able to work around it.

I have alot of room behind the front seats of the Traveler, 18" more then a normal scout :flipoff2:. That yeilds alot of leg room, so cutting and reboxing the floor shouldn't be a big deal, I may loose some foot room, but I very rarely have people in the back anyway. I hadn't thought about the exhaust, that big ole 3" pipe is really going to get in the way. Tractor exhaust hmmm.......... I could run it up the A pillar like some of the landy's do.

then again a few weeks ago and we can't really think of why it wouldn't work.


well first its one of your ideas... nuff said :D:D



In theory I don't see anything wrong, and solve some problems. You would want to look at interference with the clutch linkage, as depending on were you put the 205 the front shaft might want to go right through it.



However, I can't believe your thinking of doing this to your Diesel. I think that rig is cool just the way it is. A comfy, efficient cruiser DD. To do all that work and lift it with big tires and such would be a shame and IMO detract from its DD ability. You have Rock-Scout to wheel and bust, I personally think the traveler should stay as it is... but hey, its your rig.

However, I can't believe your thinking of doing this to your Diesel. I think that rig is cool just the way it is. A comfy, efficient cruiser DD. To do all that work and lift it with big tires and such would be a shame and IMO detract from its DD ability. You have Rock-Scout to wheel and bust, I personally think the traveler should stay as it is... but hey, its your rig.

Dammit! Have you been talking to John?? I am still on the fence, but I am not a "shown and shine" q-tipper type of person and the diesel either needs to be show and shine out, or DD/trail rig. I can't stand washing the thing, and hate trying to keep it nice. It will remain my DD, and what ever tires I end up with on it (35's or 36's) I will gear it so it will run about the same on the highway as it does know, hence the need for dual cases.

Rock Scout is fun, but it is built for one thing, crawling. It not winter wheeling friendly, or camping friendly or more then two people firendly, so I am looking for something to fill that void, since it is what I would be doing more often then crawling. Kinda like John D's "Terror-all" just in a Traveler form, and dual cases :D

I am glad I am not the only 1 thinking about doing that---





Do it who cares what other people think unless they are paying for it

Eric Stude, did that in his 1976 Scout 2 about 10 years ago. Married Dana 20 to a Devorced NP205, he did brake a few Dana 20 outputs but he also was using a 6.9 Diesel. Other than the broke outputs it seamed to work good.

Should work. A few small snags like already mentioned, the exhaust, clutch. Also might be tight with the 205 shifters but nothing that can't be overcome. :)

Thought about a Bronco D20 (driver's drop), make some coin back on your D300, then any passenger-drop 205? You wouldn't have to swap axles then, and you'd probably make back enough money to do the dual cases and still have a case of beer left over. I'm thinking this is the direction I'm taking my Traveler once I figure out if I want it to be a trail-only rig or if I pick up an 800 with a trashed body to build up.
Darel

Thought about a Bronco D20 (driver's drop),

And how would he bolt that to the back of his IH trans?

It not winter wheeling friendly, or camping friendly or more then two people firendly,

Its not even 2 people friendly half the time :D :D

I think its a great idea carl. Little cutting, little lifting. That second T-case wont hurt a damn thing. It would be a total sleeper wheeler. It would be an awsome all around type vehicle. I'll keep my eyes open.

I think burnie still has his old high pinion from his bronco. I'll ask him. Might get a deal on it. It is a full size but you need a lesson in axle narowing anyway.

Why not just cut a D20, I have one I will give you just for that purpose, provided you use it.

Leave it passenger drop, get some chevy junk, and be done. I see linkage issues with the exhaust system you have if you go driver's drop.

Save your D300 for another day when you find something you would rather use it in, or sell it for $$$ to finance your doubler setup.

I think you are overcomplicating the plumbing, and making it harder than it needs to be.

Sean B Of anything scout did somthing similar. He modified a dana 20 case and put a devorce mount np205 behind that and it works great.(115:1) Hes got a sierra trec and a trip though the rubicon on it. it did brake in hollister the first time out with it when he was flexing into a pile of dirt but there is a weak link in the 20 as we found out the hard way. You could call him about it, its a simple fix. neway he used the short shafts between them like what you were talking about and kept it pas. drop. BUT the only reason this worked on a scout II was because he runs hi pinion Dynatrac's. if it was a normal rear you might have some drive line angle problems. but you should be good with a terrra or a travelall.

kevo...

nothing wrong with your idea. In fact by using a ford 205 with output being on the driver side it will not give you problems for the passenger side exhaust. trickiest thing when I did it was rotating the dana 20 case but you won't have to do that, and will be much easier. If you have a body lift it might make it easier to tuck that 205 up higher, or cutting the floor as I did is an option. I mated mine with just on ujoint but using the short shaft from a travell-all or P/U ( they have a 1310 ujoint just like the rear output on a stock D 20 and 300) will make it easier and you have the wheel base for with the traveller ( mine was a Scout II ). Not sure what size ujoint would be on the front input of the ford 205, but wouldn't surprise me if it was a 1310. Routing the shifter might be a pain ( especially if you twin stick that 205 ). That same f-250 would have a front end you could use ( not sure but I think they were high pinion 44's ) but with the torque multiplication you be better with a 60.

I still think it is a good idea. I did some looking into it and some math where $ are concerned and decided to go with a low gear set instead. By going with the 4:1 kit it greatly simplifies things. All your geometry linkage etc stays the same with the same basic ratio's. I think the dual cases setup is very cool, but for me it doesn't add up to what I wanted (cheap low gears). Let us know what you come up with.

KZ

Why not just cut a D20, I have one I will give you just for that purpose, provided you use it.

Leave it passenger drop, get some chevy junk, and be done. I see linkage issues with the exhaust system you have if you go driver's drop.

Save your D300 for another day when you find something you would rather use it in, or sell it for $$$ to finance your doubler setup.

I think you are overcomplicating the plumbing, and making it harder than it needs to be.

By far the biggest problem is the exhuast, having the big 3" pipe running down the drivers side is definitly throwing a wrench into things. As for cutting a Dana 20, I am a very visual and I just can't see it in my head like I can the 205 and Ford axles swap. I guess I just need to tear a 20 apart and see what it looks like inside. This isn't happening any time soon, so the details will be all ironed out before I start, at least that is how it is suppose to work :flipoff2:

too bad one of those Dana 300 flip kits wont work on your T-case. that would flipit right out of the way and allow the needed shot for the driveshaft. IHC 205's are sooooo cheap, it would be worth the cost of the kit.

As for cutting a Dana 20, I am a very visual and I just can't see it in my head like I can the 205 and Ford axles swap.

Then your visualizer is obviously set up around "complicated for no reason" :D

There are pics of the setup I mention, I think you have even posted to the thread with the pics on them, somewhere other than here.