Scout 80 build up

[zapzuki2]

In order to avoid being flamed I have been searching for the past 3 days for a write up on putting a small block ford into a scout 80. Can any one link me to a write up on this.

[harleykeith]

Damn another okie whats up?

[zapzuki2]

Well to tell you the truth I have always been a Samurai guy (back before they were cool) been building them for 15 years. Anyway, one thing that I have always envied was my wheelin buddys early bronco with a 302. I could always go anywhere he could go in my Suzuki but he always did it with finesse and sounded better doing it. I love the sound of a small block Ford but dont have the deep pockets to buy an early bronco. So I scored the next best thing IMO a 63 Scout 80. It has no running gear just a body and frame. So its a clean slate my goal is small and light like a samurai, but part musclecar like the early bronco. Advice anyone?

[ChiScouter]

Im sure Brandon will chirp in when he visits, but in the meantime do a search under his name here, and..........well I see you posted on the BB also. Do a search there also.

[zapzuki2]

I have been searching and searching for info but to no avail. I searched under brandons name still cant find any good tech or pics as to whats involved in puting a sbc in a scout

[Urban Wheeler]

The Scout 80 was not available with a v-8 so in order to do that it will take some work. Here is an article cut and paste from the BB. Searched, huh?

This is NOT an easy undertaking. It requires extensive fabrication -- which means either a LOT of skill, or a LOT of $$$. That there is a FAQ on this subject does not NOT contitute a recommendation of this procedure, or an endorsement that you should try it. It is more of a warning about what obstacles you will face. It is often less complicated and less expensive to simply acquire a Scout 800 that was factory-equipped with a V-8.

Here are some of the obstacles if you're starting with a 4-cylinder Scout 80 or 800:

1) The engine is mounted into the chassis with an approximately 10-15 degree "tilt" toward the driver's side. The transmission bellhousing has its bolt-holes aligned to accomodate this tilt, and will be incorrect for a vertically mounted V-8.

2) Even if you magically corrected the "tilt" problem, the driver-side cylinder head would interfere with the firewall. Scout 800's that were V-8 equipped at the factory used a deeper bellhousing (and a longer transmission input shaft) to move the engine further FORWARD in the engine compartment, so as to eliminate this interference.

3) So now you've swapped engines AND transmissions, in order to cure the "tilt" proiblem and the "firewall" problem. Your engine now sits too far forward for the radiator to fit in the stock location. The cross-member that supports the radiator needs to be moved forward, and the fender-wells/radiator supports need some serious carving & re-shaping.

4) But you can't move the cross-member where it needs to go, because the steering gear (inside the frame rail) is in the way. This too needs to be changed to the "outside-the-frame" V-8 style of steering gear, in order to allow the cross member to be moved, in order to push the radiator forward . . .

Are you getting the picture?

John Comer at Gryphin Automotive in Aurora, Colorado (303/366-4425), has performed several of these conversions. Including the price of a V-8 IHC motor, such a conversion *starts* at about $3500. Unless there is some intense sentimental value to a particular 4-cylinder Scout 80/800, you might be considerably further ahead to simply shop for an 800 that had a V-8 from the outset. Swapping a DIFFERENT IH V-8 into such an 800 is a far simpler undertaking.

Bill Thebert
The Binder Bulletin

[77scouttwo]

do lots of research first. I have a 64 scout 80 and wanted to do the same thing but with a 392. I think a big block IHC in a small scout, with a rock solid drive train would be the shit. The scout 80s are a bitch becouse the engine compartment was built for a 4banger not a v8. now if you had a scout 800 you would be better off, they were designed for a v8. Lots more room! with the same body. I know it can de done, I have seen it. I just dont think "I" have the skill to pull it off right.

[CSmith]

I'd start looking for a V-6.

[binderbound]

The Scout 80 was not available with a v-8 so in order to do that it will take some work. Here is an article cut and paste from the BB. Searched, huh?

The size of a ford small block and an IH mill are a little different. I've seen a few 302's in 80's before. It goes a little smoother than the IH swap.

Personally, I think the 4.3 litre swap would be the best bet. cheap, easy to fit, tons of options transmission wise.

[Scout8hundred]

I'd start looking for a V-6.

Huh? not a Scout.

[zapzuki2]

So is it cost effective to build a free scout or should I save my money for an early bronco? I kinda like the looks of the scout better anyway. I know the 302 will go in there. I have the oppurtunity to buy one right now with the swap already done for $2000 but thats just the swap the rest of the truck is as rought as the freebie I got. Should I jump on the $2000 already swapped scout. I just hate buying something like a early bronco,or a heep for big $$$$ and then turn around and drop big $$$$ building it like I want it. My little cousin asked me what the best 4X4 for him to build was. I told him that it didnt matter just pick the size frame and body he wants chances are everything else will be replaced anyway.Just like my Suzuki which I have pretty well gone swapped as much as I want to on that little chassis. This is my theory I want something big enought to fit a small block ford(Samurai is out) and small enough to perform like a light weight samurai(No full size) That pretty well leaves me with a Early Bronco, Heep, or a Scout. I have found a free Scout. Get my drift? By the way I still havent found a write up on the swap :)

[ChiScouter]

Bottom line the way I see is it is how willing and able you are to cut and weld sheetmetal, motor, trans mounts etc. I don't know shit about 80's or 800's but if it was me I would be prepared to re engineer the steering system also. If you don't mind the idea of that much work then you would be way money ahead and time behind compared to starting with a EB

[Brandon]

building.. isn't cost effective period. If you are trying to be cost affective buy one built...

IF you are going to build it then it doesn't matter what you start with since not much will be left anyway. Depends on your definition of buildling I guess - but if your not going to that extent then it comes down to "what do you like best" not cost effectiveness.

As for the 302 swap, gimmie a month :)

It won't take long, just got lots going on now :(

I will have it full documented so if your not in a rush hang tight. What I can say is there is MILES (well not really but..) more room in that scout than the vehicle that currently has the 5.0 in it (my toyota) so if I can showhorn it in a toy the scout is going to be easy..

[zapzuki2]

So ahead money wise and behind time wise. I like that idea. I am not afraid of custom everything I have custom everything in the suzuki. My fear is wrong parts combos. This is why I want to research what has worked for other people. I have trialed and errored suzuki stuff for many years I would rather research this project and get it at least close to right the first time. For example can Scout II axles seem to be popular but if I am running all ford drivetrain will the pumpkins line up. I dont know which side they are on. I have a 73 jeep wagoneer will those axles work? They are 6 lug. I know those spring swaps are popular should I use them. My Grandfather owns a large wrecking yard so parts are limitless for the most part. No I do not have access anything rare like MOG axles or anything like that. But Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota whatever. So what should I do?

[Brandon]

I'm using those springs..

Once again, not done yet..

[zapzuki2]

Yeah one interesting thing about this scout I have aquired is that it has already had a SBC swapped in it. When the guys who performed the swap found another project they pulled the drivetrain and dumped the scout in the pasture. My friend is the guys brother who said I could have it if I wanted it. This may make the swap easier already having had a V8 in it or harder if it was a hack job. But considering the truck has been sitting about 10 years It doesnt look like a hack job. I know what everyone is thinking and I really want a small block ford not a chevy. As far as drivetrain goes what types of donor vehicles should I look for. Big Broncos I have plenty of but thier axles are too wide and mostly TTB But what about motor Tranny and transfer case? . The wagoneer is definately out there.I have a set of heavily built Toyota axles under my sami some say they are tougher than 44's could they hold up to a V8 and 35"tires?

[BLK Scout 800]

I have a buddy that has been runnin 8in axles behind a TBI 350 and 38's for years... However my other buddy has 8in 350 and 35's and has had to pull them in favor of 60/14bolt....I guess it depends on how many times you drop the clutch on the pavement :flipoff2: also a crawl ratio of 250+ helps.. I think a well set up SII 44 (CTM..WARN shafts..) will go a long way with 38's. Some will say no way but under my 800 they are just fine sofar and I have a V8:smokin:
I dont think you will have to much trouble fittin a 302 in a 80 I have seen bigger in 80's before. I would jump in with both feet and report back every week or so.....
Oh ya I put waggy rears in the front and chevy 56's in the rear my buddy with the 80/350/465/klune/205/60/14b has 56's/63's in the lifted version with 40's..........ANYTHING goes but I dont have to tell you that ~Josh~

[Brandon]

the chevy is by far more common, and if it allready had one why even consider ford?

[zapzuki2]

I'm just wierd I guess? My dad had a 66 Fairlane with a 289 . My first car was a mustang with a 302. My uncle has a sand rail with a BUILT!!!! 302 in it. I just dig a small block ford.

[Brandon]

you thinking roller fiveoh or ?

I'm happy with my 5.0, no doubt - but I got it because it was the deal at the time.

http://rcrc4x4.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=2

[Harvester of Sorrow]

IF....and again IF...I were building an 80/800 early Scout I would go with a Vortec 4.3/700R4 or 4L6E whatever tranny.

You would have everything you need in a tight little package...light weight 6 cylinder, automatic, lots of other tranny options....Add in factory fuel injection, a computer that matches the motor...no fiddling with mapping a fuel/spark curve...

I think I might be talking myself into it....DAMN IT....

Then I would run it through a Sammi T-case as they are divorced and run some 4 or 6 to 1 gears in it....

MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK...

[zapzuki2]

ROLLER 5.OHHH That would definately be the plan. I am thinking Fuel injection and all.
Keep the ideas coming I am listening and taking notes. I plan on compiling everyones best ideas and make a parts list and goin shopping :) If I was going to do the Vortec V6 thing I would keep the Samurai

[Urban Wheeler]

I'll have to look for it but I saw in a mag a guy built a Sammi on a Scout II frame with a Ford small block.

[Binderman]

IF....and again IF...I were building an 80/800 early Scout I would go with a Vortec 4.3/700R4 or 4L6E whatever tranny.

You would have everything you need in a tight little package...light weight 6 cylinder, automatic, lots of other tranny options....Add in factory fuel injection, a computer that matches the motor...no fiddling with mapping a fuel/spark curve...

MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK...

My thoughts also.

When ya gonna start :)

[Brandon]

ROLLER 5.OHHH That would definately be the plan. I am thinking Fuel injection and all.
Keep the ideas coming I am listening and taking notes. I plan on compiling everyones best ideas and make a parts list and goin shopping :) If I was going to do the Vortec V6 thing I would keep the Samurai

picture this in a scout.. soon.. :)

My opinion on a V6 is that it is just two cylinders short of a V8 ;)

Look at performance goodies, how many do you see in the summit/jegs catalogs for the V6? There are some but by far more goodies for the V8's..


http://rcrc4x4.com/gallery/albums/engine/2005_25_jan_107.sized.jpg

[zapzuki2]

I agree. Like I said I would keep the Samurai ive got and put a V6 in it. But I wanna V8 thats why I got the scout. I saw a guy with a 350 backed with a suzuki transfer case and it held up until he started beefing up the 350. This was in a samurai. I just think that a V8 would be too nose heavy to go in a short samurai. The Scout 80 is as small as I would go.

[Brandon]

mine is backed by a 435 and dual 23 spline toy cases - lots of options if you go toy cases

[zapzuki2]

How are you running dual toyota t-cases? They are not divorced is there a kit. I have a few Toyota t-cases around.

[RustoleumWhite]

If you have the money you can adapt anything to anything.

AA makes many adapters for Toy stuff, as does Marlin, Inchworm...



What are you looking for specifically about the ford swap?? Its not very common, so I don't think your going to find much Scout/Ford specific stuff. Although I have heard of a couple, many done by previous owners.

Get the Scout and gut the engine compartment, get your engine/tranny/t-case combo, hang it off an engine hoist and stuff it in to were you think you want it. Build mounts as necessary.


Simplified version, but basically how most people seem to do engine swaps, whether is be a SBF, SBC, V-6, Caddy etc. 80/800s have allot to be desired in wiring harnesses, and they are usually trashed by now, so just plan on completely redoing it.

[Brandon]

How are you running dual toyota t-cases? They are not divorced is there a kit. I have a few Toyota t-cases around.

marlincrawler.com ;)

The adaper is like $299 for a MC07 dual adapter. I used an AA adapter from the 435 to the toy cases.

[Harvester of Sorrow]

My thoughts also.

When ya gonna start :)

Well the funny thing is the more I think about it...The more I like the idea. I just don't like the lines of the rear of the early 80/800 Scouts....BUT someone off of this board has found quite a few free body and frame combos with clean titles....

In May it appears I will be looking for a rig...and if I can not find a decent priced Scout II that is running/driving/wheel-able....Well then I will go this route and be into it for the same or less.

I can get an entire 95' Vortec V6 with harness, tranny, guages, everything for 500.00 right now. Basically pull what ever I want from the rig for my needs. :eek:

Some axles...54"er springs in the front, 63's in the rear...some tube...what could go wrong.

But this is about Zuki man...If you have your heart on a V8, then do just like RUSTY said...Hang it, and fab some mounts and then just start plumbing fresh...probably the quickest and most cost effective way to do it.

[Diesel Smoke]

more I like the idea. I just don't like the lines of the rear of the early 80/800 Scouts....

Just back half it and then tube in what ever lines you like!! There problem solved!!! :flipoff2:

[RustoleumWhite]

In May it appears I will be looking for a rig...and if I can not find a decent priced Scout II that is running/driving/wheel-able....Well then I will go this route and be into it for the same or less.


As a coincidence... I have a "running" V-8 Scout 800 that will be going up for sale soon....



:D:D:D

hang SII rear quarters off it if you want :flipoff2:

[Snoopy]

I dont' get it ~ why doesn't anyone want to keep the stock mill:confused:



Oops, wrong board. :D :D :D

[zapzuki2]

What V8 and how much and how did you do it. What running gear,springs,Blah Blah Blah ?

[zapzuki2]

Ooops forgot scout 800's have a V8 factory. How much difference is there in the scout 800 frame and a Scout 80 frame. Can you put a 80 under an 800 frame or a waggoneer frame or other V8 based frame? Any ideas?

[SJscouter]

sean and I of Anything scout are building an 80 with a 302 it wasnt to bad but the firewall on the driverside had to be trimmed a bit take a look
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/norcalmoto/2189.jpg
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visit our websight to get contact info. call and ask for sean if you have any
questions about the build..

[Brandon]

interesting that you kept all that stock heater stuff, that takes up a ton of space..

Looks pretty clean though - but I have a much taller intake which might be an issue

[scoutrallye]

This Scout 80 is a resto.2" lift 31's. He wants it to look stock except for the engine. We are bolting it up to an IH T-19 and D-20.

[Brandon]

sean and I of Anything scout are building an 80 with a 302 it wasnt to bad but the firewall on the driverside had to be trimmed a bit take a look
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/norcalmoto/2189.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/norcalmoto/2178.jpg

visit our websight to get contact info. call and ask for sean if you have any
questions about the build..
more info please!! I emailed but I feel like I'm being a pain calling. It doesn't look like the core support was moved and it looks like the motor was shrunk compared to how mine fits!

[srscout]

I have to agree with Harvester about the V-8 Swap. When I did my Chev Swap on my 75, I wanted to keep the center of gravity low so I wanted it set as low as was practical in the frame. We just hung the whole mess in there 350\SM-465\NP-205 and built mounts to make it all fit. I couldn't make mechanical clutch linkage work ( I didn't try very hard either) so I used a factory Chev hydraulic bellhousing ( I wanted a hydraulic clutch anyway ), adapted a master cyl to the stock Scout pedal and got it all together.

Some years ago I swaped a Chev SB into a 79 Toyota 4X4 Truck, so getting a SB Ford ( which is smaller physically than the Chev) into a Scout 80 shouldn't be that big a deal. You can put anything in anything if you want to bad enough. Just my opinion though. Keep us up to date.

[zapzuki2]

Got the scout 80 working on the swap I plan on running 302/NV4500/d20 with Scout 2 axles. I have the axles rebuilding them with 488 gears a lockright in front with a welded rear. It is a 4cyl 3 speed d 18 now which runs really good for being so worn out. I am gonna concentrate on building stout axles and flexy suspension this summer then put the motor in this winter.

[zapzuki2]

Oh yeah one more quick question. I am planning on ordering new shocks this week and I noticed that 4 wheel parts are holding a special mx6 adjustable shocks for $60 each or 4 ES 3000's with stabilizer for $130. What is the weight of the Scout 80 and how much more weight will the 302 swap be so that I can get the right valving on the shocks. The adjustable shocks sound like a good idea so I can make them firmer when I do the v8 swap. Any suggestions?

[Brandon]

adjustable shocks are a waste of money imho

I have em - never touched em. Get the PORC long travels for $100/set or whatever. Heard great things..

[zapzuki2]

I had rs 9000 adjustables and set them to thier lightest setting on my Zuk then never touched them again but I figured that I would be adding weight here and there would give mr an excuse to adjust them but maybe not.

[Brandon]

possibly, I had em on my yota (another person coming to scouts from another rig) and I never touched em but once again - light rig.

[BLK Scout 800]

ZAPZUKI2 Do you have any pics??? Hows this thing going??? I picked up a FREE tbi350/700r4 and plan on adapting the 350 to my T-19 soon!!! But I have an 800 so it might be a better fit I guess....

One thing that I wish I had done the first time is in-board the front leafs.....I dont know what tires you plan on running but you said you are giong to build the SII 44's first...so I figure this might be something to think about....The 80/800 frames are wider therefore the leafs sit closer to the tires and kill the turn radious at about 35''+ tires...I went 2'' on each side with 2 1/2 wide leafs
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[Brandon]

got pics of the frame shackle mount? Is it RS?

[zapzuki2]

I have pics but I cant post them on pirate. I like how you did those spring perches. I was thinking about narrowing a Chevy D44 in the front to scout II width with scout axles and Ford rotors to avoid the hunk of metal spring perch and to gain a flat top knuckle. I also heard the Chev has thicker axle tubes. Anyone familiar with this???

[BLK Scout 800]

I have pics but I cant post them on pirate. I like how you did those spring perches. I was thinking about narrowing a Chevy D44 in the front to scout II width with scout axles and Ford rotors to avoid the hunk of metal spring perch and to gain a flat top knuckle. I also heard the Chev has thicker axle tubes. Anyone familiar with this???

Yes chevy is the right way to go...Thicker wall tubes yes...E-mail your pics to me and I'll post them for you...



Brandon let me dig them up hold on....

[BLK Scout 800]

got pics of the frame shackle mount? Is it RS?


No not RS...I don't know why just like it better....
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[zapzuki2]

BLK scout 800 I e-mailed you let me know if you got it

[BLK Scout 800]

BLK scout 800 I e-mailed you let me know if you got it

I got it :flipoff2:

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[zapzuki2]

Cool like I said its a work in progress but I know now what the tires will look like on it. I always liked the looks of the early scout and the drivetrain of an early bronco so I kinda want to combine the two.I think the stance of the 33's look good but 35's will be better.
thanks for posting my pics

[srscout]

I have pics but I cant post them on pirate. I like how you did those spring perches. I was thinking about narrowing a Chevy D44 in the front to scout II width with scout axles and Ford rotors to avoid the hunk of metal spring perch and to gain a flat top knuckle. I also heard the Chev has thicker axle tubes. Anyone familiar with this???
Zuki---- I did mine that way. Yes the tubes are thicker than the Scout tubes ( at least they were on the 3\4 ton housing that I used. I used the inner axles from my Scout 44 front, Ford rotors and hubs and J**P Wagoneer brake calipers and mounts. Worked OK. I am now in the process of converting it back to 3\4 ton configuration to match the Dana 60 FF that is going in the rear. I can give you the particulars on the Ford 5 lug conversion if that is what you wanted to know.

S&R------ Failure is NOT an option

[zapzuki2]

Are the 1/2 ton tubes thick like the 3/4 ton? I have a half ton front axle. I heard that all you need to convert the chevy front end are ford f-150 rotors. and that you can use the chevy calipers and spindles. Can you use the chevy hubs? What about the axles can you use the whole scout axle inner and outer? Any help will spare money and waisted time on this project.

[Brandon]

pretty sure it's spindles out..

no on the tubes, 3/4 ton is .500 wall, not sure in 1/2

[srscout]

Are the 1/2 ton tubes thick like the 3/4 ton? I have a half ton front axle. I heard that all you need to convert the chevy front end are ford f-150 rotors. and that you can use the chevy calipers and spindles. Can you use the chevy hubs? What about the axles can you use the whole scout axle inner and outer? Any help will spare money and waisted time on this project.
Well Zuki--- I don't know about the 1\2 ton houseings, all I have worked on are the 3\4 ton. The spindles that I had to use were from a 88 Ford with the Twin Tractionbeam front end. Wierd as that sounds, that was what ALOT of wrecking yard scroungeing told me. I used the Scout inners, but you will have to use the Ford stubs. I just put the two together with Spicer 5-760X U joints and it worked well. As far as the brakes go, I have heard the same thing as you about using the Chev brakes. I used the Wagoneer brakes because that is what I had that worked. If the Chevy brakes would work I would no doubt use them because they should be easier to find.
I used the Chev flat tops with a Avalanche cross over arm ( the old style now made by Poison Spider Custom) and a tie rod and drag link made from 1 1\4" DOM tube with the big Chev tie-rod ends. The pitman arm is from the same Wagoneer that I took the brakes from. It was cut for the bigger ends than the Scout arm and also lined everything up like I wanted it.
You could also drill out the Scout Pitman arm and use Heim joints if you wanted to, I just didn't want to go that route.

As far as hubs, I had a brand new set of Warns for a Chev that I wanted to use. I just couldn't get them to work with the Ford houseings and I ended up using some Ford factory hubs that I had. They have held up fine with no problems.

I hope this helps. Be glad to help with anything else if I can.

S&R Failure is NOT an option

[zapzuki2]

Thanks that was some good info. If the 1/2 ton chev does not have the thick axle tubes that is not a big loss. It can be trussed, the flat top knuckles are most important. Any other info will help any favorites on shocks? I had RS9000 schocks on my Samurai but I never adjusted them I so they were worthless 4Wparts has a special on MX6 and ES 3000 pro comps. I will be getting shocks for this thing in the next couple days. It will see alot of street driving and dirt road running just as much as Rockcrawling so I want a good shock that will handle well on these Oklahoma dirt roads

[srscout]

Thanks that was some good info. If the 1/2 ton chev does not have the thick axle tubes that is not a big loss. It can be trussed, the flat top knuckles are most important. Any other info will help any favorites on shocks? I had RS9000 schocks on my Samurai but I never adjusted them I so they were worthless 4Wparts has a special on MX6 and ES 3000 pro comps. I will be getting shocks for this thing in the next couple days. It will see alot of street driving and dirt road running just as much as Rockcrawling so I want a good shock that will handle well on these Oklahoma dirt roads

Zuki--- I don't think you will have any problems with the 1\2 ton houseing anyway. The flat tops are nice. I just dont care for a Z link. As far as shocks I used the Pro-Comp ES-3000's and have no complaints. I don't run in near as much mud as you Oklahoma guys so I don't know if there are other shock issues there. One thing to think about if you havn't already. Why not just score a 44 rear from a fullsize Wagoneer or Cherokee and just use the front Chev the way it is with the 6 lug set up. This might be easier and cheaper than coming up with the Ford rotors, hubs and what not unless you already have wheeles or other issues that would be a problem. If I was doing it again, that is the route I would go. Let me know how it works out----- S&R

[zapzuki2]

Well I already have the Chev front end and the scout II f/r axles and 5 on 5.5 wheels. I also already have the gears and the hy-steer arms. Plus the Chev front is too wide for me I dont want the wheels sticking out too far. I was also thinking about shortening one side of a full size 9 in. and building a 35 spline monster rear someday.I am very hard on rears so I am fearful of breaking a rear 44. So a 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern keeps my options open who knows.

[srscout]

Well I already have the Chev front end and the scout II f/r axles and 5 on 5.5 wheels. I also already have the gears and the hy-steer arms. Plus the Chev front is too wide for me I dont want the wheels sticking out too far. I was also thinking about shortening one side of a full size 9 in. and building a 35 spline monster rear someday.I am very hard on rears so I am fearful of breaking a rear 44. So a 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern keeps my options open who knows.

Well Zuki---- I had the same problem ( worrys about breaking it) with a 44 rear ( maybe unfounded, who knows ) but everytime I got on a hard climb and a tire broke loose I could just picture axles breaking. It hasn't happened yet, but to stop all my mind games I pulled a FF Dana 60 from a 73 Ford I have in the parts yard, converted the front to 3\4 ton, narrowed the 60 to match and it is now replacing the 44. The 60 now has 35 spline Mosser shafts so I dont think that with 35" tires I will be breaking it anytime soon ( even with a 300hp SB Chev).
Here in Utah we play in the rocks alot ( I am 170 miles from Moab ) and of all the offroading I have done so far that seems to be the easiest way to break parts. I guess I will always be up against the week link ( maybe I should just throw in a set of Rockwells ) but will just have to live with it.
Stay at it and let me know what you end up with. ------- S&R

[robselina]

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Ahhhhh, that brings back memories....looks just like the one I'm working on when It got brought here:

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~rselina/scout.JPG

[zapzuki2]

What is that on the back, A parachute? LOL Today is a busy day I am gonna weld on my front upper shock mounts. Then measure for my shocks I am gonna see if I have enough money to buy a set of bilstien 5100 shocks. If not I will probably just buy a $100 set of pro comps to use for now. I am gonna try to paint ir today if I get time. I have some gray primer I am gonna drop some int'l blue in it just to be diffrent. I am gonna stick with primer for a while till I finish it then I will go ahead and paint it. I need to get brakes on it too I just about killed myself in it the other day. I was just fixing to cross a busy intersection when I mashed down on the brakes and had nothing. I had to throw it in the ditch to stop it. I drove it the rest of the way home in low gear. when I would have to stop I would just shut the engine off. I noticed something leaking from the rear wheel so I may have a wheel cyl leaking.

[Bindernut]

That's a factory IH spare tire mount. It swings down with the tailgate. :flipoff2: ;)

[zapzuki2]

Cool, I painted the Scout today. I am very pleased with the results hopefully BLKScout800 will post pics of it soon.

[BLK Scout 800]

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[Brandon]

diggin the two tone but why didn't ya do both sides?

[zapzuki2]

Well I painted it one color and it was just too much blue so we experimented with the flat black stripes I didint get to the other side before dark so I will do the other side tonight. I took grey primer the added international blue to it. The color was so overwhelming that we had to had the black stripes to tone it down. Now I really like it. I am gonna diamond plate the bottom where the stripe is and then paint over it with bedliner along with the inside floor and bed but that will be later I was just tired of the giraffe color. I need to get to those axles now.

[zapzuki2]

Went to Disney for memorial day weekend. The scout did well as a cruiser everyone would give me the big thumbs up as I cruised by, but.... IT WAS A LOUSY WHEELER!
The first day I decided to try to climb a tall but relatively easy hill. When the carb gave up on the way up and stalled I mashed on the brakes to stop and the wet drums said no. So I went barreling down the hill backwards. During all this the draglink bent and I could not steer. I couldnt even steer in into a tree. With a stock bench seat and no seat belts that was the scariest wheeling incident I have ever been in and I have decended vertical rock walls before. Needless to say I putted around in the woods and relaxed the rest of the weekend which was just as fun. The scout is not going wheeling again till the new axles with power disk brakes are installed I also am gonna invest in some bucket seats with seat belts

[Mechanos]

...I also am gonna invest in some bucket seats with seat belts
That would have been a requirement for me before I even took it for a test lap.

[Harvester of Sorrow]

Went to Disney for memorial day weekend. The scout did well as a cruiser everyone would give me the big thumbs up as I cruised by, but.... IT WAS A LOUSY WHEELER!
The first day I decided to try to climb a tall but relatively easy hill. When the carb gave up on the way up and stalled I mashed on the brakes to stop and the wet drums said no. So I went barreling down the hill backwards. During all this the draglink bent and I could not steer. I couldnt even steer in into a tree. With a stock bench seat and no seat belts that was the scariest wheeling incident I have ever been in and I have decended vertical rock walls before. Needless to say I putted around in the woods and relaxed the rest of the weekend which was just as fun. The scout is not going wheeling again till the new axles with power disk brakes are installed I also am gonna invest in some bucket seats with seat belts


Did Darwin go camping with you?

[RustoleumWhite]

Did Darwin go camping with you?
I'll second that.

Drum brakes suck in this modern traffic society. I drove and wheeled with drums ONCE, and that was with just 32 AT's. Panic stop that didn't when traffic went from 60+ to traffic jab around a corner (luckily there was enough room, but the stop distance was LONG) and wet drum wheeling made short work of the decision to swap to discs.

No seat-belt and off-roading is just stupid.....

[srscout]

I'll second that.

Drum brakes suck in this modern traffic society. I drove and wheeled with drums ONCE, and that was with just 32 AT's. Panic stop that didn't when traffic went from 60+ to traffic jab around a corner (luckily there was enough room, but the stop distance was LONG) and wet drum wheeling made short work of the decision to swap to discs.

No seat-belt and off-roading is just stupid.....
Drums do really suck. There is a reason that they quit using them ( on fronts anyway) in the mid 70's, and seat belts go without saying. I will go one step further and say a roll bar at least and preferably a cage.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink Beer all day.

[zapzuki2]

No seat-belt and off-roading is just stupid..... Thanks for calling me stupid. Driving 70 down the highway with no seat belt is stupid riding a motorcycle with no helmet is stupid. But I am sure none of you guys have ever done that. Risky yeah!!! but stupid is a little harsh guys. Anyhow its done now. I went and got the Chevy front end today how do I tell the difference between the 10 bolt and 44. Its a late 70's model Im not sure which year I know they changed to a 10 bolt in the 70's It does have flat top knuckles,

[srscout]

Thanks for calling me stupid. Driving 70 down the highway with no seat belt is stupid riding a motorcycle with no helmet is stupid. But I am sure none of you guys have ever done that. Risky yeah!!! but stupid is a little harsh guys. Anyhow its done now. I went and got the Chevy front end today how do I tell the difference between the 10 bolt and 44. Its a late 70's model Im not sure which year I know they changed to a 10 bolt in the 70's It does have flat top knuckles,
Hey Zuki---- We have all ( well at least I have as well as anyone else being honest ) done stupid things in our lives so don't take it to personal. As far as the 10 bolt\Dana 44 issue it is quite simple. The 10 bolt front cover is almost round ( well more so than the 44) and has two small ears on the bottom of the houseing. The 44 is oval shaped ( flat on the sides). If it has flat tops from the factory it is a 44 because to the best of my knowlege 10 bolts never came from the factory with flat top outters. They could be swapped on so this is not a guarentee.
Go with the 44 if you have a choice as there are more options available such as lockers, gears, shafts etc for the 44 than the 10 bolt.
I hope this helps----- S&R

[Snoopy]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=188369&stc=1

Looks like a stock front end ~ that's where the camber usually comes from.



I dig the after pictures, the two-tone looks :grinpimp:

[zapzuki2]

It is not completely round so I am guessing it is a 44. Lets hope. I like the 2 tone also. I managed to get it back this weekend with no body damage woohoo

[srscout]

It is not completely round so I am guessing it is a 44. Lets hope. I like the 2 tone also. I managed to get it back this weekend with no body damage woohoo
If you have it apart check the spline count. 10 bolts are 28 and 44's are 30.

[Brandon]

If you have it apart check the spline count. 10 bolts are 28 and 44's are 30.


not all..

That's some pretty nasty camber there!

[zapzuki2]

did 10 bolts have flat top knuckles? I got it home tonight I will take it apart tomorow I'm gonna be mad if I brought home a 10 bolt

[Snoopy]

Sure did...Some of them at least

[srscout]

Hey Zuki---- We have all ( well at least I have as well as anyone else being honest ) done stupid things in our lives so don't take it to personal. As far as the 10 bolt\Dana 44 issue it is quite simple. The 10 bolt front cover is almost round ( well more so than the 44) and has two small ears on the bottom of the houseing. The 44 is oval shaped ( flat on the sides). If it has flat tops from the factory it is a 44 because to the best of my knowlege 10 bolts never came from the factory with flat top outters. They could be swapped on so this is not a guarentee.
Go with the 44 if you have a choice as there are more options available such as lockers, gears, shafts etc for the 44 than the 10 bolt.
I hope this helps----- S&R
Nope Zuki---- Not from the factory. They could be swapped on from a 44 though.

[zapzuki2]

No it didnt come with flat tops?

[zapzuki2]

Took it apart and the stub has 20 splines the inner has 30 the covers are identical to the scout its gotta be a 44

[Brandon]

does it say 44? If it is one it will - looking at the front it will be in the right web area to the right of the cover - I think off the top of my head anyway..

[RustoleumWhite]

Took it apart and the stub has 20 splines the inner has 30 the covers are identical to the scout its gotta be a 44
Should be 19-spline outers.

If the covers the exact of the SII cover, then yes, D44. The 10-bolt cover in noticable different.

[zapzuki2]

cool !!!!!!! I am gonna finish tearing it down tonight

[zapzuki2]

Took both the scout II and Chevy axles apart today. What a bi$%& I needed a special tool for everything. The Chevy hub took one type of socketfor the hubs in which I had but the Scout was totally diffrent and I had to take an air chisel to break the inner lock ring and get the spindle nut off. I have still not been able to get the conical washers off the chevy steering arm I'm not sure what to do there. But at least its progress. Any one have any suggestions on what type of springs to use under my scout?

[Brandon]

put the nut back on the studs and give it a quick whack - should pop th econical washers right out.

[BLK Scout 800]

Took both the scout II and Chevy axles apart today. What a bi$%& I needed a special tool for everything. The Chevy hub took one type of socketfor the hubs in which I had but the Scout was totally diffrent and I had to take an air chisel to break the inner lock ring and get the spindle nut off. I have still not been able to get the conical washers off the chevy steering arm I'm not sure what to do there. But at least its progress. Any one have any suggestions on what type of springs to use under my scout?
I have had good luck with my chevy 52'' front 56'' rear.....

[zapzuki2]

so you narrowed a chev 44 on your scout? Why is the rear so much wider? it doesnt look it in the pic. where did you get the 56" leaves? I found a set of four front yj leaves cheap will they work? Does anyone know the dimension of them?

[BLK Scout 800]

I used SII axles front and rear...moved the perches in 2'' on each side(see pic) I pulled the 56'' off a 3/4 ton chevy with the camper special (scottsdale 20) and the 52'' are off the rear of a 1/2 ton chevy....the rear is 1/4'' wider on each side cuz of the discs but thats it....Stay away from heep the mains have given me shit in the past!!
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And while you are at it you should cut and turn the knuckle...5*- 7*

[zapzuki2]

I scored a driving 64 Scout 80 last night. It already has a 302/T18/d18. New radiator,Clutch master cyl,drive shafts, and some other good stuff. He started the project but got tired of it. I picked it up for a grand which I think was a steal the adavance adapter plate alone was over $400. I am gonna swap bodys this weekend and some other stuff. My wife is PO'ed at me cause I spent the money anyone need some parts I need to make some of this money back. I will take some pics and see if BLK SCOUT800 can hook me up again.

[BLK Scout 800]

Ok...Ok...

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[Brandon]

more pics of where the 302 is mounted and how the exhaust clears the body please ;)

You can't take enough 302 pics, I'll take em :)

[BLK Scout 800]

2nd That

[zapzuki2]

thats where he stalled was at the exhaust. I know a guy who has a 66 800 here in town that has had a 289 in it since it was new which is pretty wild. The story goes that the guy bought it new and hated the 4 cyl so much that he had the motor swaped a few months after he bought it. I am gonna go talk to him about exhaust this weekend. I will get some pics up soon

[zapzuki2]

Okay guys, update I have decided that it would be easier to fix up the v8 scout than the blue one even though the blue scout has a better body. So tommorow I am gonna spring under the blue scout put the stock tires on it and sell it to compensate for buying the v8 scout. Anyone interested?

[GRMhick]

Took it apart and the stub has 20 splines the inner has 30 the covers are identical to the scout its gotta be a 44

Some 88-91 10 bolts (front and rear) were 30.

[zapzuki2]

I took apart the axles the other day and the inspection covers interchange its gotta be a 44

[BLK Scout 800]

Whats the News :confused:

[zapzuki2]

Whats the News :confused:

The news is I'M BROKE!!!!!!! I havent done much on the scout since my last time I was on here. With plumbing issues(HOME Plumbing) and my daughters birthday I havent been able to do any work. I talked to the guy with a SBF in a 66 800 today and get this. The original owner bought the 800 new but was disapointed in the performance of the 4cyl. So 3 months after the truck was bought new he had a custom bellhousing made to accept the 289 to the stock scout 4 speed. The exhaust is mustang the passenger side manifold is flipped backward and the driver side is forward with the exhast running between the springs and frame and out the sides underneath the body. Pretty neat set up.

[Brandon]

update? Gotta love our 5 year builds..

[scout254]

The news is I'M BROKE!!!!!!! I havent done much on the scout since my last time I was on here..

Don't worry, you are not the only one..... that's why mine is parked

[Urban Wheeler]

Don't worry, you are not the only one..... that's why mine is parked

Same here. Although, I expect to get started back on soon. I've been offered a maintenance job at BFG, now I'm waiting for orientation.

[war pony]

S:D:Do I have another 4 and a half years, I was planning on 10