Ok here is the story,

I have a 1994 NAS D90, Q78 Swampers (35.5x9.5) on Stock mags, OME 751/764 springs, Standard shocks. Shocks and trailling are currently the limiting factor in travel.

For the trails I do, this set-up is ok, I would'nt mind a bit more down travel if possible. I was planning on having bent trailling harms at one point to help.

My problem is that a friend offered me a Safari Gard 3 Link, I had never planned on getting a 3 link, but now I'm thinking ? Don't know what to do ?

What should I do ?

PS: This is mainly a trail rig.

One of the single best upgrades you can make to a Rover- hands down. How much is he offering it to you for? IMO even at list price (a little over $800) it is well worth it. The only problem is you will need longer front springs and shocks.

Go for it Eric!! You can test it out at Winter Romp if you hurry.

... tried the SEARCH button yet?

Go for it ! Flexy-sexy

BTW - you need to beef up your crossmember if you're gonna use it hard.

The only problem is you will need longer front springs and shocks.
Can't go higher because of Garage Height, so if I keep the current set-up, will I get any advantage at all ?
BTW - you need to beef up your crossmember if you're gonna use it hard.
SG Cross member included ....
... tried the SEARCH button yet?
I have been here a while, read both good and bad about it. I want information related to my set-up and advantages I would get over bent radius (If there is any)

Beside the Bling Factor, What am I getting for my money ?

Beside the Bling Factor, What am I getting for my money ?

For a general trail rig in eastern NA that won't be running 3+" of lift and 14" travel shocks ? IMO, probably little more then bling and brag.

Send it out here - I'll give you $250 (canadian :flipoff2: ) for it.

You will be getting a much more balanced suspension front to rear, it will make the truck much more stable and allow the front suspension to work WITH the rear, rather than make the rear compensate for its stiffness up front.

By longer springs I don't mean taller, only able to stretch further. Either longer springs or a drop kit up front will help you, but regardless you will be looking for longer shocks.

Don't forget the 7" springs, to fit the 37's! :flipoff2:

You can always use the 2" lift springs and some 5" spacers :shaking:

<< I have been here a while, read both good and bad about it. I want information related to my set-up and advantages I would get over bent radius (If there is any)>>

whatever newbie - if you'd read a bit more you'd already know the difference! hanging out in chit-chat and replying to posts about tire-size isn't going to help :flipoff2:

there's alot more than just the rovor forum on this bbs - i think you could answer your own questions if you ventured around the rover forum a bit more, and then branched out into the ford, jeep, and then gen4x4 for suspension design. if you want to sit back on your ass and wait for someone to answer stupid questions about bolt-ons you're in the wrong effin place ....

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[QUOTE=SeaRover]<< I have been here a while, read both good and bad about it. I want information related to my set-up and advantages I would get over bent radius (If there is any)>>

whatever newbie - if you'd read a bit more you'd already know the difference! hanging out in chit-chat and replying to posts about tire-size isn't going to help :flipoff2:

there's alot more than just the rovor forum on this bbs - i think you could answer your own questions if you ventured around the rover forum a bit more, and then branched out into the ford, jeep, and then gen4x4 for suspension design. if you want to sit back on your ass and wait for someone to answer stupid questions about bolt-ons you're in the wrong effin place ....

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<< I have been here a while, read both good and bad about it. I want information related to my set-up and advantages I would get over bent radius (If there is any)>>

whatever newbie - if you'd read a bit more you'd already know the difference! hanging out in chit-chat and replying to posts about tire-size isn't going to help :flipoff2:

there's alot more than just the rovor forum on this bbs - i think you could answer your own questions if you ventured around the rover forum a bit more, and then branched out into the ford, jeep, and then gen4x4 for suspension design. if you want to sit back on your ass and wait for someone to answer stupid questions about bolt-ons you're in the wrong effin place ....

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I'll throw in .05 :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by pendy
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Originally Posted by SeaRover
<< I have been here a while, read both good and bad about it. I want information related to my set-up and advantages I would get over bent radius (If there is any)>>

whatever newbie - if you'd read a bit more you'd already know the difference! hanging out in chit-chat and replying to posts about tire-size isn't going to help

there's alot more than just the rovor forum on this bbs - i think you could answer your own questions if you ventured around the rover forum a bit more, and then branched out into the ford, jeep, and then gen4x4 for suspension design. if you want to sit back on your ass and wait for someone to answer stupid questions about bolt-ons you're in the wrong effin place ....
my .02
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If I'd wanted wanted chit/chat about bolt-on I would have sticked to Discoweb. I don't post much here because I don't think my current knowledge nearly compares to people on this board.

I came here because I was hopping for real facts not a sales pitch.

Thanks to all of those that had constructive comments.

Not that I know jack, but coming from a TJ I want to look into something to balance the front/rear suspension as well. Currently trying to figure out how to free up the front without a ridiculous amount of work... curious to know what that set up looks like, I have access to fabbing friends, could be an interesting project.

www.safarigard.com

http://www.safarigard.com/catalog/3_link_system_2410495.htm

http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/merchantfiles/5001434/3linktwist.jpg

Or

Pendy are you sitting on the yellow pages in that pic? You sure look taller...

Or

By "travel", I don't think they meant haw far your rear tire can travel off the ground. :flipoff2:

By "travel", I don't think they meant haw far your rear tire can travel off the ground. :flipoff2:

In defence of Pendy, SG three links don't do much good for the rear.

Eric, if you go with the 3 link, get some external shock mounts for the front, and take a look at repositioning the rear mounts as well.

By "travel", I don't think they meant haw far your rear tire can travel off the ground. :flipoff2:

I like my rear end a little thighter then some of you :rainbow: It keeps me from rolling over. I can't wait to post some pics of Bucky gettin it in Las Cruces this month. Hopefully we can both avoid any rollover pics. :grinpimp:


Dmarch nice quote. Guess you have been enduring my antics in the 2.8l saga. Flattery will get you everywhere.

Eric, if you go with the 3 link, get some external shock mounts for the front, and take a look at repositioning the rear mounts as well.
I have decided to try the 3 link. I will keep the current shocks until I have done enough RESEARCH :) to know what shocks and mounts I need. Without changing springs, more travel will mean dislocation cones or something !

Now that you talk about it, in the original kit there was also SG rear shock mounts and Fox remote reservoir shocks. I feel the shocks are way too expensive for my use, but should I keep the mounts ? There was no mounts for the front, I cant beleive 14 inch travel shock fit inside the springs ?

Without changing springs, more travel will mean dislocation cones or something !

aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......he said cone :flipoff2:

hehehe :p

Is it just me or does Pendy look like Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys in that picture?

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http://www.trailerparkboys.com/

Look at Cast

Third top from left.

Pendy. Spitting image.

[QUOTE=ric7d90]I have decided to try the 3 link. I will keep the current shocks until I have done enough RESEARCH :) to know what shocks and mounts I need. Without changing springs, more travel will mean dislocation cones or something !

Take your shocks off, flex out your suspension and measure to see what size shock you could put on using an external mount. If you want to stay with the same sprung height, try the SG droop kit in the front or something similar that can be booty fabbed. If you keep your current setup you will gain marginal travel up front at best and be disappointed in the 3-link. That was my experience anyway.

Tis

Is it just me or does Pendy look like Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys in that picture?

Pendy. Spitting image.

Naw that princess is much better looking then mua. I can only wish to have the monster nasal cavities like Bubbles. But thanks for the compliment :rolleyes:

Eric,
I am picking up my 3Link either tomorrow or the next. I am even installing it myself. Its nice to have a shop to do all this work in. I'll take some pics for ya and test run it for ya and do all the research for ya. How's that sound? Don't just think about something and do all this, I am thinking about it but not sure if it will give me an advantage, crap. Take the plunge, its only $800. And just think, when you go over those speed bumps at the mall, all those chicks will dig your new sexy-flex.

I will be installing it myself next week-end, I'll tell you how it goes.

I can tell you getting broken exaust studs out was fun, hope the rest goes better !

Sweet, have fun. Hopefully I'll have mine finished before this weekend. :D

Eric I have Bilstein 14in travel in the front inside the springs. Does really nice. You do have to enlarge you bumpstops so you don't destroy your shock. I have just over 4in of lift though. 3in springs and spacers. I am however seriously considering mounting them externally. There is another thread on that though.

Make sure we both take pics to write a tech article for the Dwebbers :confused: when it gets back online.

Make sure we both take pics to write a tech article for the Dwebbers :confused: when it gets back online.

This is a Taboo you know!

....4in of lift though. 3in springs and spacers. ....

I think mine is going to look weird with only the stock 751/764 for lift (Isn't that only 1.5 in) but I'm still shooting for 14 inch shocks, I will see for the bump stop I plan on removing the springs and do some tests :)

Shocks will go on th inside for now, no time to play with the mounts yet.

Why 14" shocks? If you are running the 751 up front and still have the shocks inside the springs you are going to need taller shock towers or depending on the shock, probably going to bottom out the shock. Even outside the spring you won't get 14" of travel, IIRC the 751 is only ~15-16" unsprung.

Tis

I seriously don't think 14in shocks are going to fit. I have modified shock towers and they locate the eye 1.5 inches higher than stock and with almost 4ins of lift, I only have about 5-6 in of uptravel, if that. Hell, the 10in travel shocks that bilstein has, are 15in compressed. I think that is a better option for you. 25in extended is plenty for those 751's.

Why 14" shocks?

The 3 link comes from a full SG stage 3 Kit, just took the measurment from the shocks in the kit. These were Fox remote reservoir, I decide to go with something a bit more affordable.

What is the best way to measure the max compressed length needed ? Remove springs, rest on bump stops ?

I will definitly take measurments, Thanks for the Heads-up

I would put the 3 link on and take the front shocks off and articulate the suspension. The coils will either stack or you will bottom out on bumpstops. At that point measure from top and bottom shock mounting point or desired mounting point. Obviously one side will give you compressed length and the other side will give you extended length. Give yourself a little margin.

Tis

I would put the 3 link on and take the front shocks off and articulate the suspension. The coils will either stack or you will bottom out on bumpstops. At that point measure from top and bottom shock mounting point or desired mounting point. Obviously one side will give you compressed length and the other side will give you extended length. Give yourself a little margin.

Tis

The really important thing is to make sure the shock doesn't bottom out. This is with the other side at full droop. Both sides at the bump stops doesn't really tell you anything.

The intention of my post was to show him how to get a measurement that would avoid the shocks bottoming out. I'm not sure where you got resting on both bumpstops from my post?

Tis

I didn't. That was an answer to Eric's question.

Please remember bump stops are not bump STOPs but bump rubbers, i.e. will compress to less than half height if really convinced ;-)
Allow for one wheel at max droop and one wheel at max compression (resting on bump stop) and then reduce length by suitable amount. If you are too tight to move the shock up enough to not sacrifice dropp travel seriously consider longer shocks. A shock will not survive long in an environment where they limit uptravel. I know :shaking:

T

It is also not a good thing if the springs bottom out. The springs will survive, but the perches and brackets will suffer. I had to weld and reinforce the lower ones on my Salisbury.

It is also not a good thing if the springs bottom out. The springs will survive, but the perches and brackets will suffer. I had to weld and reinforce the lower ones on my Salisbury.

I'll second this statement. Both of my rear spring perches had cracks. Their getting replaced with 1/4" thick perches now. :D

I just got my 3-link yesterday and I'm pondering the shocks and mounts as well...........hopefully I can steal some ideas from the fine folks who will be at the CC next week. :flipoff2:
Bruce