I need some help on compatability with front axle parts.

I have at the moment an earlier LR 110 RHD front axle that I need to swap over to LHD. I also have a set of 110 LHD later style swivel pin housings with vented dics and hubs attached. After pulling the two set-ups apart it became obvious that the later type pin housings will not fit on the earlier swivels. I would like to use the earlier stub axle, 2522 CV's and hubs with the later swivel and swivel pin housing but don't have the later swivels to try and compare.

Has anyone done this or know if they are compatable?

Hi There,

If you take everything apart and throw it on one heap, you will be able to make one axle with what you have got:
Use the later style swivel+housing, and fit the early stub axle, CV and flange.

Done it myself, although using parts of 3 axles to make one LHD axle with old CV's!

Daan

I have at the moment an earlier LR 110 RHD front axle that I need to swap over to LHD.

I had a RHD front axle with all my 130 bits. I changed it to LHD, but I think we used some LHD knuckles from an early RR? If you want you could call Timm and ask him for the details of what we did.

There was talk sometime ago about using a RHD knuckle and a LHD knuckle that both have the steering ears on them and making a pseudo-crossover steering setup. Dunno if anyone ever really did it, and if it's worth the hassle.

Such as.

yavul! its been done!
way to go pendy, i've been thnking about that for a while now and the only other attempt i saw has been sitting in a garage for years incomplete.
you have a source for the rhd knuckles?

Such as.

That is a cool looking front salisbury Pendy, exactly what I am going to build for the front of my IIA (with longfields). What are the specs?

See my post on D-90.com.

Easier to try than to ask. You need to keep the swivel and swivel housings together. Might be able to swap the spindle and hubs....

Such as.

Where's Mine? Still in Colo?

Thanks guys.

Everything is in a heap now so I guess I'm part way there. I don't have access to any later swivels to compare, I just have the pin housings, but it looked like it would work. Now I just have to get some later swivels and some bearings and I'm set.

I have shown that here before. Revor built that for a customer of mine. We dreamed up the obvious and used a Sals from TLR right had drive. Then dug up a Left had drive swivel. No real good source for the odd swivel housings though. Sorry for the technical post Red.

JP

Keith yours is in the pic lower left corner.

you have a source for the rhd knuckles?

I was talking to George at RDS about a week ago about this. He claims he has the RHD knuckles in stock. I will be doing this conversion along with Hydro assist later this year. Time to add some beef to the steering now! :D

Hi there, A quick reply on the cross over steering, I looked at that, but although it has obvious advantages, there is one major problem here: The ackerman principle has been reversed. Normally the inner wheel turns in sharper than the outer wheel to go round the corner, with this set up the outer wheel turns sharper than the inner wheel. You will still get round the corner but the wheels are fighting each other very hard.

I have been looking at fitting cross over arms, but the 2 bolts in the top are a bit weak for that. I currently put up with the standard system, with all its problems.

Daan

Hi there, A quick reply on the cross over steering, I looked at that, but although it has obvious advantages, there is one major problem here: The ackerman principle has been reversed. Normally the inner wheel turns in sharper than the outer wheel to go round the corner, with this set up the outer wheel turns sharper than the inner wheel. You will still get round the corner but the wheels are fighting each other very hard.

I have been looking at fitting cross over arms, but the 2 bolts in the top are a bit weak for that. I currently put up with the standard system, with all its problems.

Daan

I don't care! It's more of a trail truck than a DD. My arguement with this is that there are tons of vehicles out there with all the steering in the front (i.e. Jeeps) and they seem to be fine.

Besides with a bent Tie-Rod you get tons of Tow Out and that can't be any better! :flipoff2:

Hi there, A quick reply on the cross over steering, I looked at that, but although it has obvious advantages, there is one major problem here: The ackerman principle has been reversed. Normally the inner wheel turns in sharper than the outer wheel to go round the corner, with this set up the outer wheel turns sharper than the inner wheel. You will still get round the corner but the wheels are fighting each other very hard.

I have been looking at fitting cross over arms, but the 2 bolts in the top are a bit weak for that. I currently put up with the standard system, with all its problems.

Daan

Bill you out there???

There are a number of people, Bill (portalrover) included, who have changed to reverse ackerman on purpose and claim that it works better and gives a tighter turning circle.

I have a Reverse Ackerman Angle on my CJ, couple that with some extra caster and the thing turns easier and tracks very nicely down the road and the TR is much inproved.. (plus the road grader thing works well on the trail and messes with the bystander brain a bit) Since I used my last RHD double arm Railco SBH i will be waiting a while to do mine but I do plan on doing the same thing to my truck..

Front steer is the only option for the Salisbury

Keith

Front steer is the only option for the Salisbury

Keith

Yep. Do a search for Salisbury and you'll see all kinds of weirdness that front steer will fix.

Personally I think that more RHD knuckles in the states would be cool.

Personally I think that more RHD knuckles in the states would be cool.


How many do you want - 100? 500?

How aboutt 6-7 to start. Just the outer housing is needed considering shipping.

JP

Bill you out there???

There are a number of people, Bill (portalrover) included, who have changed to reverse ackerman on purpose and claim that it works better and gives a tighter turning circle.

Yes Ben I am over here in Roverless Hanoi. Reverse Ackerman works very well on my rig which is fitted with the old 26 degree series 3 swivels. The turning circle with 3 1/2'' wide x 4 3/4'' drop portals on a 67 inch wide wheeltrack axle
with Super swampers is usefully tight offroad particularly on mountain switchbacks (hairpin bends ). The directional stability also feels more secure when the front wheels on either side run over the broken edges of the road surface at speed. There is one negative I have discovered since I last commented on the subject and that is when cornering quickly on wet roads I occasionally lose feel through the steering wheel which I presume to be the Swampers slipping due to the conflicting angles of the front wheels, however this vehicle is a DD that is used over relatively long distances for a vehicle of this type and this is not really a concern if due care is taken in wet conditions



Using series swivels with bolt on steering arms I do have the choice ofany Ackerman angle I want but would not go back to true Ackerman geometry for this rig.
Bill.

How many do you want - 100? 500?

I'll take two. :D

How aboutt 6-7 to start. Just the outer housing is needed considering shipping.

JP

Pendy - you have a PM.

Serious One - place your order with Pendy.

Come on guys - reverse ackerman? I mean, it would be great for clearance, I would probably keep my coiler front axle a while longer, but I can't see it being a good thing on a lifted truck. I like lots of caster and grader steer, but having totally wrong steering angles would be just weird. Other than Bill, any others have info about how it works in snow, on a DD, etc? I figure highway would not be affected, definitely less wandering, but around town it would drive funny.

Comments?

Edit: I have read up on the subject. No need to explain. It just seems so counter-intuitive.

How many do you want - 100? 500?

Are you still talking about knuckles? I might be interested as well. I need to start gathering the parts for this.