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werent you doing this the other night?

and wheres the rest of the pics bizzatch..

shit i should get the red star so i get my do it yourself AK kit in the mail

you gonna do one of these for an AR?

Diagnosis:


waaaay too much work.

Diagnosis:


waaaay too much work.

pussy :flipoff2: you can go to a gunshow and get a "legal" AK but it will mostlikely be low cap mags (easy to fix with a dremel tool) but the quality and finish wont be near as nice as one you make.

thant and i know of noone who is making AMD 65's for sale...well under $700 for sale :p

Cool Gil. Where's the auto sear? :flipoff2:

for those intrested in bending thier own reciever here is
a link to where they sell them (https://www.vbd.com/noc/shop/)

and here is an ar15.com build up using those flats
Link (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=51&t=65328&page=1)

I see that the second site has ar 80% cast lowers. Have any clue as to how hard they are to finish? And if I were to follow through with being ultra cheap, where is the cheapest I can find a barrel/stock/upper? I'd like to see just how little I can spend to build one, but it's been a few years since I've really researched it all. Hef? doc?

I see that the second site has ar 80% cast lowers. Have any clue as to how hard they are to finish? And if I were to follow through with being ultra cheap, where is the cheapest I can find a barrel/stock/upper? I'd like to see just how little I can spend to build one, but it's been a few years since I've really researched it all. Hef? doc?


Don't buy an 80% lower if you don't have the milling machinery and some skills. Do yourself a favor and buy a stripped lower. When money allows buy your lower parts kit, and then a complete upper, and then your stock and handguards. This is the most common approach to an AR build and requires the least amount of time and money invested.

Try Cheaperthandirt.com or gunsnstuffonline.com , or look up Model 1 Sales.

Keep in mind that not all lowers will work with all uppers, as designs vary. Check before you buy. You can build a decent AR for about $500. You can build a real nice AR for about $700, optics not included.

Get an HBAR. Gov't profile barrels flex and warp.
A3 flattop receiver is better for optics mounting.
Get a Hogue grip. It's a whole lot more comfortable.

Thanks Doc! When I get through building my AR (whenever my upper kit gets here) I will have to get started on an AMD-65. Your guide will be just the ticket. If anybody here really wants to see how an AR goes together from parts I can take pics, but doubt I will do any better than AR-15.com does here (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=202467)
My first build will be a simple A-3 style rifle, with the kit from J&T Distributing (http://www.jtdistributing.com/index.shtml) and a lower from Olympic Arms (http://www.olyarms.com/) (just down the road from me). I can't wait to get it all together and hit the range :D

so just out of curosity why would you tell the gubment anything? or do they do random checks of manufacturers/importers records to see who they sold too?

Thanks Doc! When I get through building my AR (whenever my upper kit gets here) I will have to get started on an AMD-65. Your guide will be just the ticket. If anybody here really wants to see how an AR goes together from parts I can take pics, but doubt I will do any better than AR-15.com does here (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=202467)
My first build will be a simple A-3 style rifle, with the kit from J&T Distributing (http://www.jtdistributing.com/index.shtml) and a lower from Olympic Arms (http://www.olyarms.com/) (just down the road from me). I can't wait to get it all together and hit the range :D

You are my hero. I was looking through that site all night looking for some information and couldn't find it and couldn't find a fawking search feature and one of the links has the info I was looking for. :D

You are my hero. I was looking through that site all night looking for some information and couldn't find it and couldn't find a fawking search feature and one of the links has the info I was looking for. :D

The search feature at AR15.com doesn't even work unless you sign up, and sucks ass unless you pay up. I really don't get the point of it, it would be like telling all the newbies they can't search and have to ask all the dumb questions over and over. There is a buttload of info over there though, both AR and AK, and if you live in the PNW (sorry Bubba) there is the Olympic site here (http://www.oa2.org/) . I love evil guns, too bad WA is nazis about SBRs or I would do the paperwork and build a proper 14.5" M4A1 :evil:

The search feature at AR15.com doesn't even work unless you sign up, and sucks ass unless you pay up. I really don't get the point of it, it would be like telling all the newbies they can't search and have to ask all the dumb questions over and over. There is a buttload of info over there though, both AR and AK, and if you live in the PNW (sorry Bubba) there is the Olympic site here (http://www.oa2.org/) . I love evil guns, too bad WA is nazis about SBRs or I would do the paperwork and build a proper 14.5" M4A1 :evil:

I was wondering about that. I signed up hoping I would be able to search, but getting approval I guess is gonna take forever. But then again, why should I ever doubt the PBB??????????? :D

so just out of curosity why would you tell the gubment anything? or do they do random checks of manufacturers/importers records to see who they sold too?

yes once in a while they do. like if someone buys 50-60 AK recievers it might attract attention (the BATF just sees the numbers as 50 AK's going to one guy not recievers) even tho the guy is just getting ready to sell at the gun shows :D

but unless you piss them off nothing usualy happens about anything.

but if you build your own reciever you dont have to tell anyone shit :evil:

anyone know if the building it yourself makes it legal in Kali?

dunno, but if you plug weld the barrel, it might be legal in Cali. Maybe.

like i said if i wanted a full auto i would just appy and pay the tax stamp but i just wasnt a SEMI-AUTO AK that i can build for less than half of what is wanted,with better parts,better fit and finish (because i control it) and the fact i built the fawker myself :laughing:
and like i said if i built my reciever i would have a completely LEGAL weapon with no one but myself knowing i had it :blackhelocopters:




Ahh! Gotcha. thanks Doc :D :D :beer:

When do we get some range pics? :D

When do we get some range pics? :D

when i get my recievers, check head spacing and well.......


when i fawking feel like it :flipoff2:



recievers should be in maybe this week.

Why would anyone want an AK? Unless you feel the need to fire with the reciever covered in dirt.

Get a FAL or G3

I am thinking about converting the PTR-91 with the telescoping stock.

Mean evil black rifle :flipoff2:

I also have my eye on a pimped out Model 70 sniper rifle in 300 Win Mag (If I could only hit anything beyond 100 yards)

because it CAN fire with the reciever covered in dirt :flipoff2:

start your own thread ya fawkin haters :laughing:

Why would anyone want an AK? Unless you feel the need to fire with the reciever covered in dirt.

Get a FAL or G3

I am thinking about converting the PTR-91 with the telescoping stock.

Mean evil black rifle :flipoff2:

I also have my eye on a pimped out Model 70 sniper rifle in 300 Win Mag (If I could only hit anything beyond 100 yards)


FAL is a great weapon, as is a G3. I'd like one of each. But they're main battle rifles, where the AR and AK are assault rifles (well, except for being semi-auto). There are pro's and con's to each, but comparing them is really apples and oranges.


PTR-91 is a sweet rifle. Good choice.

because it CAN fire with the reciever covered in dirt :flipoff2:

start your own thread ya fawkin haters :laughing:


Hell, it can fire with the receiver FULL of dirt. :D

I own several WASR10's and none have trigger slap, mag wobble or slanted sights.

I own several WASR10's and none have trigger slap, mag wobble or slanted sights.

How old are they? Post 2000 imports tend to see more problems than earlier models, mostly due to an increase in rifles imported. Before 2000 it's basically luck of the draw with Romanian AK's, with SAR-1's generally being better quality than WASR-10's.

It doesn't matter much anyhow, as most of the problems are minor and easily corrected. I'm a big fan of Romanian AK's myself. The only AK's that are better (IMO) are Bulgarian and Russian.

or the ones you build yourself :flipoff2:

i think a G3 might be a next project to build :D

or the ones you build yourself :flipoff2:

i think a G3 might be a next project to build :D


Build a G3KA4. It's sooooooo cool.

Build a G3KA4. It's sooooooo cool.


If only I could find someone who had a collapsable stock available, I'd be getting one for my CETME. Original wide HK front grips are in the works too :D

If only I could find someone who had a collapsable stock available, I'd be getting one for my CETME. Original wide HK front grips are in the works too :D

I saw the A4 stock for the HK91/G3 on Gunbroker a while back. They wanted $400 for it NIB. :(

I saw the A4 stock for the HK91/G3 on Gunbroker a while back. They wanted $400 for it NIB. :(


Just noticed over on Florida Gun Works (http://www.floridagunworks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FG&Product_Code=1005&Category_Code=HKA+HK91G3+STOCKS), they've got them back in stock for $330 roughly. I think that's still a bit pricey, and I know I've seen them on other sites for less. I'm keeping my eye out...

http://www.interordnance.com/index.shtml
has German G-3 kits avaliable with the colapsible stock. I would not want one personaly. The Choate sidefolder is well built, like anything from Choate. I don't like the idea of a folder on a .308. Whenever I shoot my .308s, either the Saiga or the CETME I shoot from the shoulder and make fairly well aimed shots. With My AK's I will make more shots and they aren't usualy placed as carefully.
Gil your build looks to be taking shape nicely, I don't know if I like the style or not, but it will be unique. The front grip really does help keep the barrel rise down when you run a clip through fast. It should be really nic3e when it is done. I use a pair of calipers when measuring for the holes on the front and rear trunion. If you haven't drilled the rivets out in the rear trunino yet, wait it is easier to drill throught the receiver and the trunion together.

Global trades is now making 1mm receivers to compliment their 1.6mm receivers. if you have a milling machine it was no big deal to take .6mm off the fornt and rear trunions, but most of us don't. I should post a couple of pics of my Bulgarian 74 and AMD-63. I will if I get time. Have fun with the build.

nope, no front vert grip. i am using a galli(sp) style front fore end. this gives plent of handroom when running 30 round mags.
already made templates for the rear trunnion and will make them for the front (and show how here) when i space it corrctly in the reciever.

I already ordered 2 ohio ordanance recievers because of the praise i have heard and also thier very good heat treating.
That and i got sick of waiting for the 1.6 recievers to be ready :D

I have 2 rifles built on OOW receivers a 74 and a 47. I have built 4 or 5 AKs with this receiver for myself and friends. They work well, the only small gripe I have with them is the selector lever gap, which is noticable, but only to those who know what they are looking for. You do have to take quite a bit of material off of the selector lever as well, but you can get a really tight safty fit if you grind and check slowly.

what area needs grinding or what should i look out for when i come to that point

You have to grind down the end of the tab, so it will engage the back of the trigger to block the trigger from moving and thus the safty is on. I will see if I can find a picture. It takes a while and you basicaly grind an check with a dremel.

update for today while waiting on the recievers:

peep (ghost ring) sights are few and far to choose from for AK's. all the ones i have found are eather too low or way to fawking pricey ...or both :flipoff2:

welcome to the free AK47 peep sight :D I looked on the floor till i found a piece of steel, drilled a small hole in it, ground the old sight blade flat, welded it on. then i drilled it out till i got a hole size that made my eyes happy :p

dremeled it till i was happy with the shape.


That's really cool. Do something like that on a rear windage adjustable sight and I'd buy one from ya :D

http://www.k-var.com/images/AK-020W.jpg

send me one..or two :D and i will do it for you.
just tell me what size apature you want

I just might have to do that... :D

You're not done with this yet? :flipoff2:

You're not done with this yet? :flipoff2:

I am waiting for the recievers taint licker :flipoff2: i should .."should" be able to finish them this week.

would gun shows have parts kits? anything special to look for when choosing a parts kit or are they all the same for each variant? awesome thread btw

BTW, Gil.. the package has been delivered from our southern conection. Sweet! Ammo came today, I'll be slinging led tomorrow! Oh, the grip came as well.. you'd think it was Chistmas all over again!

BTW, Gil.. the package has been delivered from our southern conection. Sweet! Ammo came today, I'll be slinging led tomorrow! Oh, the grip came as well.. you'd think it was Chistmas all over again!

remember you have to switch the grip lug at the top to use the included screw or you just have to get a screw in the same thread as my block in the leingth as the one for your new grip.



oh because i fawked up this thread and didnt document the finishing of the build i force myself to maybe buy a few more parts kits :(

ohh the horror

I will have to bribe 85TrailToy and his brother with something for recieving the recievers if they will do it again :D

I remembered that..

Picked up a Vanguard case. Just awaiting the red dot and it will be compete.

sweeet :D btw how well do those mags work? and you have my 4 right :flipoff2:

sweeet :D btw how well do those mags work? and you have my 4 right :flipoff2:


Give you an update tomorrow.. might wake the neighborHOOD and surrounding counties :D

WHAT 4 MAGS?? :confused:


:flipoff2:

I remembered that..

Picked up a Vanguard case. Just awaiting the red dot and it will be compete.

Damn that is schweeet! Figures you're shooting tomorrow, I'll be heading north in the morning. :( You need to come over to Inigoes and see the junk I'm working on.

next weekend will be LOTs O' shootin at todds house :evil:

next weekend will be LOTs O' shootin at todds house :evil:


Poor bastard. Who's going to fix all the fawking holes in the house when you're done? :flipoff2: :p

well there will be an update realy soon on how to mark the drilling holes for the trunnions and other details :D

Thats right, now i am building 2-3 (or more :laughing: ) full size AK's for me :evil:

well there will be an update realy soon on how to mark the drilling holes for the trunnions and other details :D

Thats right, now i am building 2-3 (or more :laughing: ) full size AK's for me :evil:


that's awesome. Me and a buddy are looking into some 74 builds. Possibly no less than 10, after he gets all his metal fab equipment set up in his garage. It's an idea we've been intertaining for a while now. There's also been talk of making a parkerizing tank....


tell me this, what do you think of an olive-drab park finish, whith black synthetic funiture?? :D

tell me this, what do you think of an olive-drab park finish, whith black synthetic funiture?? :D

i see no problem wit dat at all :D

maybe because i am doing a tan/black "desert" AK ..like tan EVERYTHING with black "shadowing" :laughing:

If you are serious about parkerizing and not going the rattle can bake on like me then i have a stainless tank i could trade you for some shit :D

If you are serious about parkerizing and not going the rattle can bake on like me then i have a stainless tank i could trade you for some shit :D


What's the dimensions on the tank?

What's the dimensions on the tank?

I have both a stainless tank and tray at home. the tray is 48x48 by 6-7 deep and i will measure the tank when i get home (and pics) they were used for film prosessing and found thier way to my house :D

well there will be an update realy soon on how to mark the drilling holes for the trunnions and other details :D

Thats right, now i am building 2-3 (or more :laughing: ) full size AK's for me :evil:

Trying to start your own militia????????????????????? :flipoff2:

here is the tank.
its like 12x12x36 (via size 12 shoe measurement :D ) its got plastoc ports on one side in 3 corners (easily adapted to metal or plugged)

Ya intrested ? :D

Ya intrested ? :D


Yep. Name your price.

How heavy is it? Would you be able to ship it easily?

Yep. Name your price.

How heavy is it? Would you be able to ship it easily?

Its like 16-18 ga so its reasonable light, it should be able to just be cardboarded and shipped.

what ya got for AK parts? :D i need a plain wood stock set for a stamped, a black AK74 plastic set for a stamped, a 74 style muzzle break for a 47, or Mags
What ya got :D

Its like 16-18 ga so its reasonable light, it should be able to just be cardboarded and shipped.

what ya got for AK parts? :D i need a plain wood stock set for a stamped, a black AK74 plastic set for a stamped, a 74 style muzzle break for a 47, or Mags
What ya got :D


I got nothing.

My original 74 furniture got slightly damaged by some carb cleaner and looks like ass, so it's not worth anything...

Bout the only things I've got that would be of any worth are a couple AK74 mags, disconnector, single-hook trigger, couple pivot pins, retainer spring, and some colored front sight posts. Not anywhere near the value of that tank.

I will be able to trade ya some cash though :D

I got nothing.

My original 74 furniture got slightly damaged by some carb cleaner and looks like ass, so it's not worth anything...

Bout the only things I've got that would be of any worth are a couple AK74 mags, disconnector, single-hook trigger, couple pivot pins, retainer spring, and some colored front sight posts. Not anywhere near the value of that tank.

I will be able to trade ya some cash though :D

plastic or wood 74 furnature? dammaged as in diiscolored or dammaged as in fucking melted :laughing:
what kinda mags?

dude i "rescued" the tank from work so i aint gonna charge you shit for it besides you already hooked me up with a hammer

plastic or wood 74 furnature? dammaged as in diiscolored or dammaged as in fucking melted :laughing:
what kinda mags?

dude i "rescued" the tank from work so i aint gonna charge you shit for it besides you already hooked me up with a hammer


Little bit of both actually :D it was plastic. I've got a couple black bakelite mags for a 74. They're 5.45x39, though. I'm about to order some more, and could part with a few if a 74 is in your future.

Forgot to mention I have an extra black pistol grip too, if you need it. It's never been used.

PM me your shipping address and i will get a shiping quote and we will work from there :D

PM me your shipping address and i will get a shiping quote and we will work from there :D


You got it. Thanks.

Can we get a clean thread on this.lol I'm trying my best to keep up with this so i can pick up all the parts I need. But now I'm thinking of building a ar-15 you wouldn't have any info on thsoe would you.
thanks in advance for your love of the knowledge
J

Can we get a clean thread on this.lol I'm trying my best to keep up with this so i can pick up all the parts I need. But now I'm thinking of building a ar-15 you wouldn't have any info on thsoe would you.
thanks in advance for your love of the knowledge
J

no fucker this is an
AK THREAD !!
:flipoff2:
(parts needed are listed in the first page) When i get a AR receiver we will start a new thread or one of the other builders can start one

If its milled... well you will need a milled reciever and some decent gunsmithing skills. still not hard but you will need to set headspacing

So reading this comment I assume that you never checked headspacing on your AK's? I have been debating whether or not I should be checking headspacing when I build my AK's...

I'm planning on documenting my AK build so I can either start my own thread or add onto this one. Right now I have the basic parts kits and the receiver flats and am in line waiting on renting a flat bending jig. More will come after I finish collecting parts and actually start building them.

So reading this comment I assume that you never checked headspacing on your AK's? I have been debating whether or not I should be checking headspacing when I build my AK's...

I'm planning on documenting my AK build so I can either start my own thread or add onto this one. Right now I have the basic parts kits and the receiver flats and am in line waiting on renting a flat bending jig. More will come after I finish collecting parts and actually start building them.

If you are building a screw build there is no need to pull the barrel so headspacing is not changed from set at factory. If i was building a rivit build then i would as i would have to pull the barrel. Even then some dont because if you are putting the crosspin in the same spot there is no change :D


get yo parts before they are gone http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=253527

If you are building a screw build there is no need to pull the barrel so headspacing is not changed from set at factory. If i was building a rivit build then i would as i would have to pull the barrel. Even then some dont because if you are putting the crosspin in the same spot there is no change :D


get yo parts before they are gone http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=253527


Thanks for the link, I am going to forward it on to a friend of mine who is interested in building at least one too. I already have the major parts for my builds, but am waiting for a little more cash to come in before I buy my compliance parts.

I was planning on riveting my kits together but thinking about doing it differently than the normal way. I was thinking of heating the rivets up and inserting them into the blind holes while they are still hot. That way I wouldn't have to press the barrel out to install those rivets.

Did I miss it or did you never share with us the actual finishing of the AMD65?
Did you get the recievers?
Hows the final product look?

I can get more pics if ya want.

Of the butt?

No, really i was just rereading the thread to see if I needed to pick up anything else today for my build and realised you never showed us how you actually put the thing together.

I am going to do the threaded build versus a rivit job. As I understand it if I go rivet, that means removing the barrel from the front trunion. :eek:
Just going for a cheep Romi kit and pre folded receiver for now. But am thinking of picking up a couple of parts kit. Think for #2 I will do it from a flat. Looking at making an adapter for the rear trunion so I can use a CAR collapsible stock. A houge AR pistol grip and then a Galil style black plastic forend.

Only SVD kits I have found are running 600+ :eek: So just going to stick with the AKs for now.

I did find a good set of blueprints for a reciever press. All made from 1/4x2 plate. Which I just happen to have a large stock of.:D

Think the #1 gun with the FFL receiver will end up getting sold. #2 will be a keeper. #3 parts kit (and any other I get) is going to sit in the safe and wait for prices to go up at the end of the year. If BATF continues with the no barrle rule I can see the current kits doubling in price over the next year.

Pete

Thank you! allways a quick reply.
p.s. Love the look and idea of the amd tanker but I could only get hold of the yugo ak kit.
You still have a amd around? you want to sell? PM'd you a while ago.
thanks again
jason

You still have a amd around? you want to sell? jason

yes and NO :flipoff2: but you can always put an AMD-65 rear folding trunnion on that kit you know :D

its it a regular yugo or does it have "budges" on the front trunnion like large raised areas at the top?

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miva/graphics/00000001/ROM-GP1975-gunandparts-B.jpg
going to get the SUOMI kit also for $20

thamks for the info!


Where are those jig photos.

Welp, I bought my parts kit. I'll be building it when I get out of the iron curtain:D

Anyone have the plans for building the jig I have a whole metal shop right here next to me, willing to build me the jig for pretty much nothing. but need the specs on it "cad" and so forth. any ideas I have the tapco flats right here wanting to be bent.

P.S. tapco doesn't send templates with the flates they are beefy 1.05 but no temps

J

Anyone have the plans for building the jig I have a whole metal shop right here next to me, willing to build me the jig for pretty much nothing. but need the specs on it "cad" and so forth. any ideas I have the tapco flats right here wanting to be bent.

P.S. tapco doesn't send templates with the flates they are beefy 1.05 but no temps

J


I have the cad files for the 555th jig if you are still looking for them...

A few people sent me the specs on the jigs last night so did Aloha with extra info. He is also making one. I'll post my pics of the build and also bending the receiver on this post also.


P.S. Am I the only one who noticed the naked pics pn the first page lower left hand of the first pic?
J

taking the hard route :laughing: all i did was cut and weld an old one :flipoff2:

hey I still have a tritium tube if you want to insert one

You also need some new knurling wheels. but it looks good

and i need a lathe :laughing:

Gonna look a lot like the sight Doc made for me :D


Yeah, thats the idea. But I don't have a stock windage type site to use. But have a ton of .5 and .25 rod and some free time. Thought it would be fun to try.

Pete

All you gun nuts should also be checking out one of my websites, and feel free to contribute tutorials such as this one there too:

http://perfectunion.com

I aint re-typing :flipoff2:

!! :)

Yeah, I hear you. But come hang out there as well, we have a growing AK section. Great write up!

All you gun nuts should also be checking out one of my websites, and feel free to contribute tutorials such as this one there too:

http://perfectunion.com
I have been to that site and even posted a link to it in the 10/22 thread a couple of weeks ago :D I like it and it has some good info not to mention the post your pics at the top of each section :grinpimp:

All you gun nuts should also be checking out one of my websites, and feel free to contribute tutorials such as this one there too:

http://perfectunion.com


:D

making my jig right now I'll get some pics up for you.

Crap, well I guess I'll have to wait till I'm in WA state:(

no get some 10 or 20 rounders :flipoff2:

or here ya go


http://www.k-var.com/product.asp?0=202&1=204&3=524

no get some 10 or 20 rounders :flipoff2:

or here ya go


http://www.k-var.com/product.asp?0=202&1=204&3=524


Cool, even though it's still illegal for me to build it in CA. I wonder if I can build it and then store it apart:confused:

no get some 10 or 20 rounders :flipoff2:

or here ya go


http://www.k-var.com/product.asp?0=202&1=204&3=524



now if only they'd make those in 5.45x39... :flipoff2:

making my jig right now I'll get some pics up for you.

did you finish your jig?

did you finish your jig?

+1

I'm interested to know too. I'm on a waiting list for a jig rental but it doesn't look like I will see that jig any time soon. I've been kicking around the idea of making my own and would be interested to hear how yours turned out.

Or better yet, if yours is finished, are you interested in renting it out? Maybe we could have a PBB AK47 receiver bending jig rental... :evil:

o damn havn't seen this for a while.

I have ben at the hospital with my father for allmost all of october now. And they cut the wireless out a while ago. Anyway I have picked up about 5 more kits. And a vz-58 on accident sold it off for a nice profit. I am building the jig this upcoming week and I have no problem lending it out here as long as it gets back to me no reason to rent it just cover the shipping. I have taken apart everything on all my kits have they have been cleaned oiled and bagged until I bend all the receivers. I went with the ones from Tapco they are I believe the 1.06 metal. They are very stout. I'll get pics and so on when things settle down here.
J

P.S. excuse the spelling for today thanks

Yeah I picked up a Tapco reciever.
I also found an online metal supplier that sells 6"x12" sheets of the exact same alloy and thickness as the Tapco flat for 1$.
Thinking about ordering some and trying out my hand at making the entire receiver myself.

Well I have totally disassembled the first kit. I pressed out the barrel and removed the front sight, gas block, and rear sight from the barrel.
The wood on this kit is in very nice condition so I am still not sure how I want to finish the rifle. Thinking about polishing all of the metal and blueing and do a good job on the wood finish so I end up with a 'display' quality weapon.

Regarding the front trunnion and a screw build. I was amazed at how thin the metal is. it doesn't look like you would get more then 1.5 complete threads in the trunion.
I know from reading all the various build sites that tons of folks are doing screw builds with out any problems, but still seems like it's too thin.

Later
Pete

you actualy get a good bite when its tapped. I dont have a kit to that point so i cant give you an exact thread count but its not going anywhere :flipoff2: I need to get another reciever and finish the other romanian at the house. its gonna be welded :evil: I am actualy waiting for diffrent parts kits, the romanians are nice but i do want something diffrent or odd.

Hm. Sounds.... illegal.


Hummmm STFU

thats where you are WRONG !!!!!

read this thread from the begining and come back when you are done :flipoff2:

Can you cliff note it for me? I'm busy looking up pictures for other threads.

Disturbing.



http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2246/bongkookoo2ja.png (http://imageshack.us)

Can you cliff note it for me? I'm busy looking up pictures for other threads.
you can get any thing you want in Alice's Resturant.

you can get any thing you want in Alice's Resturant.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3693271&postcount=9

you can get any thing you want in Alice's Resturant.

you can get any thing you want in Alice's Resturant.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3693271&postcount=9

Many thanks, especially for the 4x6 color glossy photos of the implements of destruction.

Do you have a link to the DOJ site where it says that?
I thought I had a good understanding of the laws in this area, interesting, Hmmmm, I would like to see that in print on the gov site;)

Just remember you live in CA. It's a whole different story in other more free states:)

Just remember you live in CA. It's a whole different story in other more free states:)
ya I know:evil:

Aloharover-

That's the answer I was looking for. I know all about the imported/domestic content BS, I had to follow that when I assembled my StG58:

http://www.perfectunion.com/images/armory/stg_58/aut_2373.jpg

For Bill4Rest- Federal law is Federal law, that's what I was questioning. CA has nothing to do with it.

Aloharover-

That's the answer I was looking for. I know all about the imported/domestic content BS, I had to follow that when I assembled my StG58:

http://www.perfectunion.com/images/armory/stg_58/aut_2373.jpg

For Bill4Rest- Federal law is Federal law, that's what I was questioning. CA has nothing to do with it.


This is the post I was replying to.


Uh...NO

just like building your own car
you have to regester the car, get a tag ect

did i not cover this crap in the FIRST PAGE of this thread !? :flipoff2:

Unlike the pot smokers of the world i would never give directions ON THE INTERNET on how to do something illegal :D

did i not cover this crap in the FIRST PAGE of this thread !? :flipoff2:



Yeah. But I figure it wouldn't hurt to repeat.

And I know I did a lot of additional reading and research before I took the plunge. I don't want to do anything that will eliminate my ability to own firearms or vote. Not to mention the security clearance required for my job would probably get pulled after a weapons felony conviction.
So for anyone else that has any "is this legal" question, go ahead and ask. But yes I can make my own SEMI-auto, ak type rifle with a 16" barrel in my home with out registering or taxes.

Pete

how much?
now all you need is a new reciver and the "X" amount of parts you have to change right?
i really want to do one of these

$115 shipped from gunbroker. You see them go at tons of places anywhere from $89-$129.... when they're in stock. This is the actual picture of what I bought because it's just a private person, as oppose to the other places that take one off the shelf. At least the parts here "look" good.

Receiver will be anywhere from $50-$90 depending on which one I get. Just not looking forward to dealing with the FFL stuff in this city of assholes.

Regardless, I dont want to spend $350-$500 on a complte AK, and I don't want a cheap POS SKS. I just need a cheap piece of shit gun that fires cheap ammo that I don't have to clean or worry about to carry in the truck and use at the ranch. I also figure, that if I figure this out, I can build other guns. There's lots of different kits out there. I really want a Romanian ROMAK-3 PSL :D
http://www.dragunov.net/romak/donfromaktigerromak_sm.jpg

I just took the plunge. Bought a matched Romanian for the chrome. Havn't decided on a receiver yet, but it will be a 100% kind. I'm also going to get rid of the nasty donkey dick front grip. Probably gonna try going back to the old carpetry days and just lobbing it off and make it a little kustom.

Been doing some research, and looked at a few builds. I'm about 75% confident I can do it. I think I will get the other 25% when I can see the parts in person, cause some of the pics are hard to follow when you've never seen an AK before.

http://www.wfo-offroad.com/albums/randomshit/pix416509656.jpg


Call this place and asked for a catalog.I was looking in mine today and they have a small part you can add to the rear of the gun and then you can put a retractable but stcok from a AR-15 on it.

Cheaper Than Dirt

2536 NE Loop 820
Fort Worth, Texas 76106
(817) 625-7557

I don't want a retractible stock. I plan on treating this thing worse than any dirty revolutionary who weilded it. :flipoff2:

I don't want a retractible stock. I plan on treating this thing worse than any dirty revolutionary who weilded it. :flipoff2:

You will need a tube holder bent up to mount it in the jeep..:flipoff2:

Glad to see this thread coming back up to the top...

A receiver bending jig should be getting shipped to me within a day or so. I will try and take pics of the bending process and post them up here as well as the assembly of the kits.

are the us parts beeing made illeagal?
if i want to build one of these soon, what do i need to order now?

Blake: just make sure to go get your US made parts now :D I have 3 or 4 romy kits sitting in the living room that i will get around to building.


TheRipper: best kits out are from "Bocefus" on www.falfiles.com or www.gunsnet.net and 80% of the time www.centerfiresystems.com

Tapco's stocks can bring the suck, and that stock adapter is better than the tapco ones but not by much :flipoff2: Did you see my thread on how to correctly attach an AR stock to an AK ? :laughing:

Nahh I did not see that thread.Please link the wonderfull info..:D

Nahh I did not see that thread.Please link the wonderfull info..:D

yeah really, that info should be in this thread Doc.

yeah really, that info should be in this thread Doc.

ok FINE :flipoff2: give me a few min to cut and paiste

These started as russian (or some other country) fully adjustable sites. I then filed a half circle exactly where the old site line was and welded a disk cut from some round stock and drilled a hole in the middle. I then chamfered the hole, deburred and was done :D

Very cool.

Well all of my L1A1 parts showed up and I have started work on my Ak barrel.
I am building a 16.5" barreled FAK-47 :smokin:

My homemade flat next to a store bought one.

Aloha, What are you going to do about the mag dimples?

Nice work Pete!

KAA

Aloha, What are you going to do about the mag dimples?

I will post the photos of that tool as soon as it is compleated.

How much did all of that cost you?

How much did all of that cost you?

me or him? :laughing: and what specifically :laughing:

aloharover: get your stock off ebay. you can get it for $25-$50 less

I thought EbAy had outlawed weapon part auctions since the company is based in CA. Specially the evil AR?

Have you used DuraCoat yet on a weapon?

damn double post

ok that makes sense

I thought EbAy had outlawed weapon part auctions since the company is based in CA. Specially the evil AR?

Have you used DuraCoat yet on a weapon?

45 available :flipoff2: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ACE-SOCOM-5-POSITION-COLLAPSIBLE-RIFLE-STOCK-SALE_W0QQitemZ7196096880QQcategoryZ73951QQssPageNa meZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

not yet, i was going to try brownells gun kote

tell me why i am wrong

It seems to me that you could buy a pre drilled blank, and with some careful measuring you could bend it up on a regular sheet metal break

tell me why i am wrong

It seems to me that you could buy a pre drilled blank, and with some careful measuring you could bend it up on a regular sheet metal break


Yes, you can buy them pre-drilled, with mag dimples pressed into them.

Why bend before welding in the rails?? To me it just seem like it'd be easier to weld up the rails before bending everything. I haven't done much reading on the actual process yet, but I should have some bending tools available to use before the end of the year, with the actual builds starting early next year.


How do you plan on welding the rails? Two options I've considered is using small spot welds every few cm on the underside of each rail, or drilling small holes in the receiver and using plug welds to fill in the holes.


You don't want to install the rails until after the receiver is bent because then you can fit the front trunion first and install the rails based off of the front trunion location. Besides, I think welding the rails on first would make bending the receiver much harder to do correctly.

For my builds I'm planning on drilling a few holes in the sides of the receiver and plug welding the rails in with a tig welder. I may have access to a spot welder and if I do that will be the way I install them instead.

Why bend before welding in the rails?? To me it just seem like it'd be easier to weld up the rails before bending everything.

How do you plan on welding the rails? .

The bending jig I am using is a solid die that the receiver flat wraps around.
So the rails would be in the way.
Also you really shouldn't do the rails until you put the front trunion in place to make sure there isnt any binding in the bolt carrier.

I am not 100% about the welding. I have seen the harbor frieght spot welders modified to be used for the rails.
But I also might just drill a couple holes in the receiver and then plug weld it with the mig.
I also have some hi-test welding rod. Similar to brazing rod, but supposedly its super strength.

Pete

tell me why i am wrong

It seems to me that you could buy a pre drilled blank, and with some careful measuring you could bend it up on a regular sheet metal break


I thought about doing one on a brake but the top rails would be almost impossible to bend. A bending jig would also make a much nicer, more accurate finished product in a fraction of the time you would spend trying to get everything to be bent accurately on a brake.

My receiver flats are pre drilled and cost about $13 each from Tapco.

Just drill some holes and plug weld it. The spot welding is nice and all but its the same strength :D

One of my parts kits here will be a "weld build" when i get around to it :laughing:

tell me why i am wrong

It seems to me that you could buy a pre drilled blank, and with some careful measuring you could bend it up on a regular sheet metal break

I am sure its been done.
I dont know about the top rail though. The two main bends to make the receiver u-shaped should be easy.
But I dont know how you would do the last two bends with the little 1/4" lip.
Maybe just clamp a piece of 1/2" stock inside the U after doing the main bends and then hammer over the rail.

Pete

the reason i ask is because some brake's are ment to bend up tiny stuff, like the one we have at work.
just a thought

oh ya.
price to have a barrel cut AND recrowned: $50 to $100 plus shipping and
FFL if still attached to the reciever

price to have the tools to do as many as you want and loan to friends:
around $70
:flipoff2:

I'll leave this up for now, didn't see it in the rewriteup.

This is the product i used to blue the end
http://www.straightshooters.com/cleaning/permablueliquid.jpg

I would NOT recomend it for full blueing as it is spotty but works well for touching up shit.

This is the product i used to blue the end
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I would NOT recomend it for full blueing as it is spotty but works well for touching up shit.



got any pics with this stuff applied?

got any pics with this stuff applied?

one minute fucker :flipoff2:

one minute fucker :flipoff2:



HURRY THE FAWK UP!!! :flipoff2:

This is the product i used to blue the end
http://www.straightshooters.com/cleaning/permablueliquid.jpg

I would NOT recomend it for full blueing as it is spotty but works well for touching up shit.

My brother tried that stuff on an old 22 when we were kids. It sucks trying to get a decent looking job. It was really streaky...

Doc, you want to redo those first couple of posts that the board ate? I'll be on and offline for the next several hours at random...

Oh, um, I think something happened to that last pic I was trying to post for you... you might want to check it out. :D :confused:

Doc, you want to redo those first couple of posts that the board ate? I'll be on and offline for the next several hours at random...

Oh, um, I think something happened to that last pic I was trying to post for you... you might want to check it out. :D :confused:

Delete the "actual instruction" quote part of mine that you did. I will re-copy it all into my post after yours.

any others you feel like deleting will be cool as i will answer the questions next.

and thanks again for saving that shit :beer:

Originally Posted by 4runner
you gonna rethread? add a brake or FH?


BTW, nice crown job.

I have a whole nother spare chrome lined barrel that is brand new, so this one will get shot first. if its good it will get cut down to 16 inches :evil: and threaded
Originally Posted by mark_w
Cool!!.. I have an old turk mauser I need to cut now... wanna show me
how to bend the bolt handle on a mauser doc?

I dont own a mauser so i cant help :flipoff2: but i would probably
use a oxy acetylene torch :evil:

A lot of people do it just that way but remember to take the bolt OUT of the receiver first. You may have problems with it being too short and need to get a different handle. A bunch of companies carry them specifically for that swap

You going to rethread the barrel?
You have a LH 14x1 die? or going to use a different flash hider?

I picked up an L1A1 Fh (.99$ :flipoff2: ) that I am using on my build.

Pete

You going to rethread the barrel?
You have a LH 14x1 die? or going to use a different flash hider?

I picked up an L1A1 Fh (.99$ :flipoff2: ) that I am using on my build.

Pete
I have one of those dies...threaded over 70 bbls so far..paid for itself...

You going to rethread the barrel?
You have a LH 14x1 die? or going to use a different flash hider?

I picked up an L1A1 Fh (.99$ :flipoff2: ) that I am using on my build.

Pete

nothing yet. If i do thread this one it will be for a FAL brake.

Hey you need to borrow the crowning tools?
Tomorrow i will be doing a test shoot with a re-crowned Romanian build vs when it was freshly built with the same crap wolf ammo.
It should be amusing, i will post pics :D

I have one of those dies...threaded over 70 bbls so far..paid for itself...

if i go FAL brake i need a 9/16 24 left hand thread. luckily that is an EASY size to find :laughing: and only like $20
http://www.victornet.com/cgi-bin/victor/productlist.html?subdepartments=Left+Hand+Taps:620 ,624,605,607

holy shit :eek: a 14-1 is only the same price. ok glad i found that site :D

nothing yet. If i do thread this one it will be for a FAL brake.

Hey you need to borrow the crowning tools?

As a matter of fact :)
Should wait till I get my FAL kit 1st. :D
But I do need to do the FAK-47, already cut it.
And if I don't find a carbine FAL I am going to cut that.
I have also been looking at Winchester .308 barrels on ebay. Want to try a .308 AK. I have a couple extra FAl gas blocks so would just need to turn the barrell to fit the trunion, and gas block.

Pete

As a matter of fact :)
Should wait till I get my FAL kit 1st. :D
But I do need to do the FAK-47, already cut it.
And if I don't find a carbine FAL I am going to cut that.
I have also been looking at Winchester .308 barrels on ebay. Want to try a .308 AK. I have a couple extra FAl gas blocks so would just need to turn the barrell to fit the trunion, and gas block.

Pete

:::self thread hi-jacking:::: I just read that 7.63NATO and .308 are NOT interchangeable :eek: i dont mean like 5.56/.223 (use a .223 in a 5.56 but not the other way) type bad but like DONT interchange them due to headspacing issues

:::self thread hi-jacking:::: I just read that 7.63NATO and .308 are NOT interchangeable :eek: i dont mean like 5.56/.223 (use a .223 in a 5.56 but not the other way) type bad but like DONT interchange them due to headspacing issues

Source?

I just have a hard time believing that every reloading manual out there says they are the same thing.

I know I shot issue 7.62 ball in my Win M-70 .308 and I know many that hand load match ammo for their M-24s and M-40s.

I have only ever seen .308 dies.

Pete

more on the 7.62 vs .308

http://www.fulton-armory.com/308.htm


http://www3.sympatico.ca/shooters/7_62vs308.htm

[hijack]

I was looking around at the various parts kit and ran across this:

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CSI&Product_Code=M31KIT-SPEC&Category_Code=PK

Buy a AK parts kit, get a Suomi for 20 bucks. Are there good buildable receiver kits for these too? :evil: Anyone have one? Is it a decent gun, or crap. [hijack/]

[hijack]

I was looking around at the various parts kit and ran across this:

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CSI&Product_Code=M31KIT-SPEC&Category_Code=PK

Buy a AK parts kit, get a Suomi for 20 bucks. Are there good buildable receiver kits for these too? :evil: Anyone have one? Is it a decent gun, or crap. [hijack/]

no one i know of :D

most i know have made them into decorations

Hmmm.. found this:

http://www.prexis.com/sten/39.htm
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=65408


http://www.smallarmsreview.com/pdf/mpa971carbine.pdf

Thanks, that is a very nice stock, and would work perfectly. A little pricier, but its only money. :D

thread hijack...went to gun show today...walked in with a 1911 45...walked out with:

Thanks, that is a very nice stock, and would work perfectly. A little pricier, but its only money. :D

they sell 2nds :evil:
http://www.aceltdusa.com/specials.htm

thread hijack...went to gun show today...walked in with a 1911 45...walked out with:

it been a while since i told you i hate you...
:laughing:

feel the love....from left..CETME, rock river flat top ar15, L1A1, chinese 12 SXS, mossy 20 pump, and Beretta 92FS down front...all in all, a good day...I think I may go back tomorrow and get a couple cases of 380 for the MAC...


oddly, there were less than 6 AKs in the whole 600 table show???? all priced between $550-650...LOL

they sell 2nds :evil:
http://www.aceltdusa.com/specials.htm

seconds with all parts will run around 145, 1st's as a package will be 160...

Thanks again, btw.

ya wanna sell me the CETME or the AR right :D

or trade for a custom built AK :flipoff2:

thread hijack...went to gun show today...walked in with a 1911 45...walked out with:

rob a bank on the way to the show?

:D

rob a bank on the way to the show?

:D

why do you think he needed to get rid of the .45 :laughing:

why do you think he needed to get rid of the .45 :laughing:

LMAO.
Thats a good one.

thread hijack...went to gun show today...walked in with a 1911 45...walked out with:
And how much cash :flipoff2:

Well, I got my receivers bent for my AKs last night so I got the hard part done.

It's funny how infectious these AKs become. I was over at a friend's shop bending the flats up and 2 more people instantly became interested in building their own.

It's funny how infectious these AKs become. I was over at a friend's shop bending the flats up and 2 more people instantly became interested in building their own.

I mentioned to a friend at work I was doing this. Now he and his brother are hopping on the wagon :D

I mentioned to a friend at work I was doing this. Now he and his brother are hopping on the wagon :D

I think its bad when you have 3 more kits but no more recivers in the house :laughing:

gotcha. thanks ...

Yes i use the regular oven :flipoff2: as I can suspend the parts from the inside and nothing fawks up the finish. :D That and the heat is nice and even inside.

no issues with fumes when its done/finished, but it will put off a odor when baking. so no, my brownies dont taiste like Rustolium :laughing:

If you could find an old stove with shot top burners it will probly cost you less than the toaster oven (free on the side of the road) and you could also do home powdercoating in the garage to boot

Don't think I haven't thought of that, just no room in the garage:(. Thanks for the info.

Don't think I haven't thought of that, just no room in the garage:(. Thanks for the info.

put it behind the garage and run an extention cord to it
:flipoff2:

put it behind the garage and run an extention cord to it
:flipoff2:

I was talking to a buddy of mine. We'll use his oven since he doesn't cook anyway. Now I just gotta buy the parts. Great thread BTW, I have directed a few friends to it.

I've been looking for an AR M4 Stock for my AK and ran across this:

This precision stock is made in the U.S.A. and comes complete with all mounting hardware, buffer and spring. This stock is only legal for rifles manufactured prior to 9-13-94.It is illegal to install this stock on any rifle manufactured after 9-13-94. We have a fixed stock available for post ban rifles.


What the :confused:

I've been looking for an AR M4 Stock for my AK and ran across this:



What the :confused:

someone just did not update their site. It was applicable when the assault weapon ban was still in effect (that expired this year) dont worry about it, we can have "evil" shit on our guns once again :flipoff2:

Then again it may still be applicable to CA residents :laughing:

Excellent ! :grinpimp: http://www.4x4spot.com/morpheus/images/sniper.gif

No, no, no!!! Thats...

http://dts.ystoretools.com/1025/images/200x200/simrbuexma.jpg

or

http://www.pharfruminsain.com/graphics/images/free-MrBurnsExcellent.gif

:D

that's a good link, thanks jstarnes ...

hey doc, when I asked a couple of days ago for more painted pics I meant to specify ones that were any other color than the black ones you already posted. Where did you get the pieces in this pic you posted. I've searched a fair bit and can't find ones like that ... at least in the pics of the parts that places say they sell:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=171858&stc=1

EDIT: Just found the pistol grip piece. I saw one you guys reference a SAW and that's what the grip piece is from a SAW.
Doc do you know if the underfolder "folder" will fit over that forgrip?

Where did you find them for 30? I saw the one in the pic, with the lower slides for 40 on one of the links listed here. Is that blank 4130? Does anyone have any recommendations on the best way to weld it? I saw a tutorial where the fellow used mig. :eek: I'd rather use tig, since I have access to it, but would stainless rod work well, or mild steel? Or should I just look for some 4130 rod(the stainless or mild steel would be free. :D )?

Edit: Dangit Doc, how do you always beat me to a post while I'm typing it? :mad: :p

Actually, the one in the pic with the rails like that is $40 ...

http://www.nationalordnance.com/

this is very fitting for this thread

http://mmss.homeip.net/play.php?movie=kalashnikov.wmv

:grinpimp:

My romy kit came in friday. I spent satruday taking it completly apart and cleainging the cosmoline shit off of the parts.

I started drilling out the rear trunion, but already fucked it up. I used too big of drill bit and wasn't really paying attention and drilled it crooked. Another $20 added to my project. :(

Where did you get your parts kit ? I got mine from dpharms.com ... don't know enough to know if mine is Romanian like it said or not :confused:

What kind of receiver are you going to use ?

I test fired my first build last night. No pics of it, but I learned tons from my first build. It fired perfectly BTW...

My second and third builds are underway and going much better. The first one is perfectly functional but doesn't look as nice as it should.

I'm off to order more parts kits and a FAL parts kit as well over lunch now... :evil:

or from the for sale section of both gunsnet.net and falfiles.com screen name "bocefus" I believe he sells the ones with the red saten background on gunbroker as its the same images he uses

That sounds like the same guy. Is he out of Ohio?

nope, plastic adapter. you might as well get a T-6 stock from www.tapco.com as its one piece (plastic) or just get the plastic adapter itself and get a AR stock for WAY less from ebay. ACE stocks sells the diffrent metal adapters but get pricy. but worth it

Ok, well I may just attempt to build the adapter for the AR15 stocks that you put together in one of your other threads. But I don't really think I'll be bashing anything with the buttstock of my rifle anytime soon........unless SHTF sneaks up on us.:eek:

Thanks for the Tapco link also. It would be nice to just get everything in the same place. And it would save me a little money to put towards a scope mount.

Thanks again.:beer:

The final receiver.

aloharover, did you ever complete a build on one of your home bent receivers ?

thanks doc, so when you use that locking ring you don't need that weird hook tool at all right ?

thanks doc, so when you use that locking ring you don't need that weird hook tool at all right ?

nope, just an allen key

that locking ring is $40 ... any cheaper sources of it ?

that locking ring is $40 ... any cheaper sources of it ?

yup, get a chunk of scrap aluminum (or steel), drill a 1 3/16 hole through it, use a belt sander to get the profile you want, cross drill it for tapping, drill a countersink for the allen screw head size, tap the rest, split the ring with a band saw or a cut-off wheel.

maybe a half hour of work at the most :D I only used mine because it came with the stock or else i most likely would have done just that :flipoff2:

Ok. I had the thought of making it also but thought I'd ask before I made one. Thanks... how thick is it? It looks like it's probably 3/8" or 1/2"

Ok. I had the thought of making it also but thought I'd ask before I made one. Thanks... how thick is it? It looks like it's probably 3/8" or 1/2"
around 3/4". 1/2" or thicker would work.

ok. can you give me some dimensions on it? how long x wide is it roughly ?

ok. can you give me some dimensions on it? how long x wide is it roughly ?
2.050 long, 1.4 wide (not counting the sling loop), .6 thick

thanks doc.

Hey Doc! There is a gun show in Fredricksburg(28-29) this weekend...just so you'd know. :evil:

I hope to start my build once I get off the boat:) I have two kits sitting at home waiting for me:D

Hey Doc! There is a gun show in Fredricksburg(28-29) this weekend...just so you'd know. :evil:

2 hour drive :flipoff2: Besides i am saving for the show at Dulles

2 hour drive :flipoff2: Besides i am saving for the show at Dulles

They have gun shows at the airport??

the wood on the stocks are laminate right? if i stain them, and re attach them, can i say they i built them myself? or is there some kind of number on the compliance parts?
is there a depth to drill the rivits in the chamber? has any one measured the holes?
thanks
dale

They have gun shows at the airport??

right next door :D i bet they will even have 50 cals...NEXT TO THE AIRPORT :flipoff2:

the wood on the stocks are laminate right? if i stain them, and re attach them, can i say they i built them myself? or is there some kind of number on the compliance parts?
is there a depth to drill the rivits in the chamber? has any one measured the holes?
thanks
dale
???

cool thread ,just found it :D

oh ya and anybody got a flat jig i cn borrow?
finally got all my parts in

oh ya and anybody got a flat jig i cn borrow?
finally got all my parts in
pic's ????

went to another gun show...hey, isn't that what I am supposed to be doing?




was looking at some parts and a guy walks up with a backpack on, asks if the dealer is buying any parts today, dealer says NO...as the guy is leaving the table, I follow and ask what he has for sale...LOL...I bought six Big Bear(Chinese import virgin AK receivers) marked AK receivers for $100...(these are COMPLETE receivers with serial numbers) the guy had bought them YEARS ago and never built them...these will become AK pistols...6" bbls are loud as hell, but loads of fun to shoot.
I also bought a dozen STEN kits and five Suomi kits...

I am putting together a PROTOTYPE STEN semi auto carbine...yep semi auto ONLY, 16.25" bbl, wireform butt, and magwell on the left side...the bolt is turned down, the receiver is smaller ID than a regular STEN to prevent using a FA bolt, then teh bolt is drilled and a spring loaded firing pin is installed, then a NEW hammer/trigger assy is used...9mm carbine...


I see 9mm-40-45 carbines all over the place that are $450 and up...ruger and marlins look crayy, the MAC is cheesy, the Beretta CX is buck rogers, and the SWF is TOO expensive at $1500....so I am thinking STEN style for under $400 and mags are plentiful and cheap, too...as soon as I get a small bug worked out of this prototype, I plan to apply to BATFE for manufacturing paperwork and submit a SAMPLE for approval, then I will go into the gun production business.


edit: Doc did you get that FAL bbl?

the wood on the stocks are laminate right? if i stain them, and re attach them, can i say they i built them myself? or is there some kind of number on the compliance parts?
is there a depth to drill the rivits in the chamber? has any one measured the holes?
thanks
dale

If you take an imported part and modify or otherwise alter it to be used in a way it was not originally intended, it then is considered US made. At least that's what I think I remember reading...

So I don't think just staining your stock would be good enough.

The syn. furniture I odered for my romy kit are all stamped US.

As far as drilling goes, the best way would be to press the barrel completely out, then drill & rivet, then reinstall the barrel. I have a few rivet sets, so I can measure the length of the front trunion rivets if needed...

I also bought a dozen STEN kits and five Suomi kits...





What is your plan for the Suomi kits? Me and a group of guys have several kits among us and are looking at the best way to go about legally building a semi-auto.

So far our options have been either machining our own bolts, or buying already-machined bolts and receivers.

FCG parts have yet to be decided...

ya need a picture ? :p
ok doc you da man, im stupid and should have looked at it first:D
still need a jig, know anybody?

What is your plan for the Suomi kits? Me and a group of guys have several kits among us and are looking at the best way to go about legally building a semi-auto.

So far our options have been either machining our own bolts, or buying already-machined bolts and receivers.

FCG parts have yet to be decided...


I have five receivers I built...the bolts will get modified, then the trigger assy will be modified and they will become semi auto only...

hey 4runner did you ever see my "Thank you" thread ? :D

hey 4runner did you ever see my "Thank you" thread ? :D
fawk no...I need to search...hell, I get on here and read a couple posts while working autocad...I miss a LOT of shit...

ok doc you da man, im stupid and should have looked at it first:D
still need a jig, know anybody?

Yeah I have no problem lending mine out. But it could be a couple more weeks until I am done with it.
Finally got it all working correctly this past weekend. Hopefully I will have time this coming weekend to bend the rest of the flats I made. I want to take photos as I do the bends and post up the series.

Pete

Does anybody know if the Ak where originally blued or Parkerized??

Does anybody know if the Ak where originally blued or Parkerized??

both, and painted and painted over parkerized. The best way to check what yours "should" be is look what is left for finish on your parts kits

both, and painted and painted over parkerized. The best way to check what yours "should" be is look what is left for finish on your parts kits


Well that's the problem, since I'm new at collecting. I don't know how to tell it apart:(

The FAK-47 is starting to really come together:smokin:

your "shop" looks like mine :laughing:

So anyone given any thought to building one of these?

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CSI&Product_Code=VZ59-KIT&Category_Code=SA
:smokin:

So anyone given any thought to building one of these?

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/miva/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CSI&Product_Code=VZ59-KIT&Category_Code=SA
:smokin:

$800 for a parts kit :eek:

New thought.
Anyone worked out a floating barrel for the AK?
I am gathering parts for a long barrel build, 7.62 nato.
Got the bbl and gas system worked out.
Thinking about a long lower handguard with a bipod.

Pete

Happy Birthday to this thread :D

:grinpimp: :smokin:

Happy Birthday to this thread :D

holy shit :laughing:

hey fawker, I have a FAL barrel now ready for your next esperimint :evil:

Well I started my build.... I'm still unpaking from the move so I dont have my work bench up:( and two things I can say right away..................

I hate rivets and holy fawlk that metal is hard!!!!

holy shit :laughing:

hey fawker, I have a FAL barrel now ready for your next esperimint :evil:

Awsome, I just ordered 3 yugo kits and also some other bits. Tapco still has the deals on FAL parts. So from the trunion forward all metal is going to be 100% FAL.
Modded G3 mags.
I am looking at wood now to make my own furniture. the Carson MWR wood shop is frigging awsome :D

Really excited about this one.

Let me know when your package arrives.

Pete

:laughing:

All I can say is if you don't have a variable speed dremel yet get one.
I use a fiber disc to cut off the heads of the rivets, then pry the receiver off the trunion. Makes it easy to determin the exact size of the rivit and its center prior to drilling.

Use the fiber wheels and smaller cutting wheels to do all the openings and trim the rails.

Carbide cutter for general shaping, finish with sanding drums, or files.

They make an attachment for the Dremel so you can use a drill bit thingy for cutting sheetrock and stuff, kinda like a Rotozip.
That attachment actually makes a perfect depth gauge when used with the cut off wheel for triming the rails. Makes a perfect straight cut.

Polishing wheels and bonnets to clean up feed ramps and stuff (ok mostly for the 1911s)


HAHA I burned up one a couple of years ago so I bought another one for this build:)

I've seen the sheet rock thingy. But I bought an already made reciever for my 1st build. My 2nd parts kit I got is way worse than my 1st, so I'll make the reciever for that and have it be a beater rifle:D

similar style as aloharover:

cut off rivet heads with 4.5" grinder not giving a fuck if I chew up the receiver leftovers a little

pry off receiver stubs

sand rivet stumps smooth to the trunnion with the dremel sanding disks

center punch the rivets

drill a guide hole in the rivet using a small bit

drill out rivet to a few sizes smaller than what i will be tapping/riveting it to

remove rivet bits or grind them out the rest of the way with THE GOD OF ALL DREMEL BITS !!!
the tungsten carbide cutter !!
(large image so you may worship it)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004UDJJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The rear trunnion rivets I keep drilling larger till they "get stuck" on the drill bit and then pull them out using the bit.
I will buy:D

(large image so you may worship it)

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:bow:

edit: WTF we don't have a bowdown smiley???

That thing looks all business. Bad ass.

That thing looks all business. Bad ass.

Thanks. Just wait until its all done and painted evil black:evil:

you are gonna need a taller rear sight.

hinge the cover like a Galil and install a HK G3 style rear sight on the back cover :evil:

So far me and a small group of guys have bent our receivers, and last night got the ejector rails heat treated. This weekend will be FCG heat treatments, and hopefully begin actually building some of the rifles. I'll post some pics once everything's done.

I'm almost done, did we cover the perferred method to finish???? Blued/park/coat/paint:confused:

I'm almost done, did we cover the perferred method to finish???? Blued/park/coat/paint:confused:



Me and a small group are building a few, and we are park/duracoating ours.

I'm almost done, did we cover the perferred method to finish???? Blued/park/coat/paint:confused:

I prefer the Rustoleum Textured Finish in black (#7220) and then backing it in the oven for an hour at 3-400*

I'm almost done, did we cover the perferred method to finish???? Blued/park/coat/paint:confused:

Highly pollished and then bone case hardened would look cool :D

I really like Docs paint trick.

I have read and seen photos were folks will media blast, then use some park type dip solution (brownells) followed by Duracoat.
Seems like over kill to me but does sound like a finish that will last forever.

I plan on blasting and painting mine. probably the rustoleum cept the 308. I am going to be going for a real nice wood furniture and will use Duracoat.

Pete

I have read and seen photos were folks will media blast, then use some park type dip solution (brownells) followed by Duracoat.
Seems like over kill to me but does sound like a finish that will last forever.



Pete


That is exactly how we are doing ours. They will be blasted, boiled, given an acid bath, dipped in parkerizing solution, then finally duracoated.

If I can get pics during the process, I'll post up. We'll be doing it all next weekend....

That is exactly how we are doing ours. They will be blasted, boiled, given an acid bath, dipped in parkerizing solution, then finally duracoated.

If I can get pics during the process, I'll post up. We'll be doing it all next weekend....

Can't wait to see it.
Someone over on Gunco did their AK in a real nice Nam type tiger stripe. Never been much for camoing a rifle, but it really looked cool.

Highly pollished and then bone case hardened would look cool :D

I really like Docs paint trick.

I have read and seen photos were folks will media blast, then use some park type dip solution (brownells) followed by Duracoat.
Seems like over kill to me but does sound like a finish that will last forever.

I plan on blasting and painting mine. probably the rustoleum cept the 308. I am going to be going for a real nice wood furniture and will use Duracoat.

Pete

I thought of case hardening too... that would be sweet:D


edit............. I want a nice flat black on everything and maybe a simi flat on the reciever. then finish the wood in a high gloss

Just finished:D Pretty cool, just need to finish up some cosmetic stuff... ANybody know where to get cheap blond wood?

Got mine built today, as well as a few other kits. We got it down to right at an hour for each build from start to finish up to the point of being ready for blasting and coating.

Was too busy working, so I didn't get any pics, but will post a pic of the finished rifle after next weekend....

Just finished:D Pretty cool, just need to finish up some cosmetic stuff... ANybody know where to get cheap blond wood?

yes, sand the shelack off your romanian stocks till you hit wood and then soak in bleach water.

re-stain if you need it darker

yes, sand the shelack off your romanian stocks till you hit wood and then soak in bleach water.

re-stain if you need it darker


Hummmmm I'll give that a try on the other kit. I figured it would look cool to stain it green:grinpimp:

anybody make a .223 ak out of 7.62x39 one? I ran across a page where a guy detailed doing it but man did he go through alot of work to do it. if that's the only way I'll just keep saving and buy an AR-15


Don't have to save too far...see my sale section thread..

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=443143

saiga a .223 AK, but it only comes imported in the sporterized version. you can convert to pistol grip but it involves a fair amount of work.

I don't know anything about a Galil, but here is a Galil .223 barrel for $40

http://www.northridgeinc.com/ak47_sks.htm

ya know, I swear I put images like this in here :laughing:
:confused:

Not with that gun, I don't think :D

ya know, I swear I put images like this in here :laughing:

Must have more. :D:grinpimp:

fine :flipoff2:


Well isn't that just artsy fartsy, you turning into an artsy fartsy pansy there doc? :flipoff2:

got anymore?

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2276/aim47ri.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Umm.... nice pics, but your barrel looks like it has a little fire in there? :confused:

Well I test fired mine... and holy crap the thing is not bad for accuracy! :eek: When I get back off deployment I’ll finish it up an make it look pretty:D


Hey Doc have you built an AK by welding the receiver to the trunions? My 2nd kit I got in the mail is less than I’d hoped for, so I’m going to make it into a beater rifle.

Umm.... nice pics, but your barrel looks like it has a little fire in there? :confused:

Thats what it looks like when you stare down a barrel that's firing blanks.:D

Doc, Thanks for the link to the universal mounts. Did you notice that they describe some of their scopes as pancreatic? WTF is that? I have heard of pancreatic cancer. :confused: