: Defender 90 crash test


slickrok
02-15-2005, 11:55 PM
Has anyone ever seen a crash test for a D-90......I have checked all the sights to include Europe and the US. If you have seen anything where so......anyone with personal crash test results?

SepticBrit
02-16-2005, 12:15 AM
Has anyone ever seen a crash test for a D-90......I have checked all the sights to include Europe and the US. If you have seen anything where so......anyone with personal crash test results?

Interesting question...I may be wrong here but since they didn't have airbags i suspect that they weren't required to perform crash tests due to the D90 being classified as a truck and not a passenger vehicles...nowadays that 's not so..but back then i may have been...if i recall correctly the D90's in the UK still don't have airbags...to this day.

AGRVR
02-16-2005, 11:39 AM
I have a personal crash test result -

Good.

Oh the other hand it was expensive to fix and because of the one not wearing a safety belt lots of blood inside and 28 staples to the noggin.

http://www.collinsorganization.com/images/d90/rollover/ROLLED1.JPG

http://www.collinsorganization.com/images/d90/rollover/ROLLED2.JPG

http://www.collinsorganization.com/images/d90/rollover/INSIDE.JPG

Serious One
02-16-2005, 12:03 PM
I have a personal crash test result...it was expensive to fix and because of the one not wearing a safety belt lots of blood inside and 28 staples to the noggin.

Dude, you do NOT get to post pics of the inside of your truck with blood splattered all over the place right before lunch.

Man, I had a mouth-ful of food when I scrolled down. :barf:

HandBuilt
02-16-2005, 12:13 PM
I have heard the the bulkhead doesn't provide enough structural rigidity for airbags.

Let's face it, D90 in a frontal? really bad.

Bluewater
02-16-2005, 12:13 PM
Slickrok, i found this in an automotive safety site: "THE 110 WILL NOT PASS A 5MPH CRASH TEST, DIDN'T COME EQUIPPED WITH AN AIRBAG, AND FINALLY WOULD NOT PASS DOT'S ROLL-OVER TEST."

Agrvr, that looks like a terrible accident did someone run into the side of you?

wilsby
02-16-2005, 03:29 PM
Yet, a 110 is the safest ride on the road according to UK real life (and death) accident statistics. I'm not saying the Defender is good to crash in, at least not in stock form. But it is big, noicy, slow and heavy, which means people see and hear you in time, and you don't drive it very fast. Which means less accidents.

And with all the protection I have on mine, it's probably OK in a crash with anything up to 2 tons. Most of the action will be below the floor, anyway.

slickrok
02-16-2005, 04:21 PM
Great stuff guys keep it coming. The above person is right in that most trucks and full size vans do better in real world safety results and just for the reasons stated. People don't drive as fast in these trucks and they are heavy and big. With that said I would hate to see what happens to a D-90/110 in a 40 mph off-set crash test. I think they should be ok in a roll over given the cage but what worries me is all the hard surfaces on the interior that would not be too skull friendly. And I have no idea if that steering shaft would collapse or go through ones chest in a good frontal. I know somewhere Land Rover did some kind of testing. In some areas new is just better.....this is one of them.

AGRVR
02-16-2005, 08:13 PM
Dude, you do NOT get to post pics of the inside of your truck with blood splattered all over the place right before lunch.

Man, I had a mouth-ful of food when I scrolled down. :barf:

LOL...sorry Michael :crybaby:

AGRVR
02-16-2005, 08:17 PM
Agrvr, that looks like a terrible accident did someone run into the side of you?


Yep, they hit the rear passenger tire at about 35mph (never even hit the brakes). Completely destroyed their car (Toyota Celica). I was not involved. I was 3 blocks away drinking a beer on my front porch. I had loaned the truck to someone to go to Lowe's to get a part for our toilet.

:shaking:

Never made that mistake again.

ISUZUROVER
02-17-2005, 02:45 AM
I remember seeing some pics a couple of years ago where a D90 was sideswiped by a semi (big truck), while crossing a bridge. The 90 was pushed through/over the guardrail and fell 50ft or so into a small stream. The driver walked away essentially unharmed (and this was a euro spec D90 - so no cage).

uninformed
02-17-2005, 05:17 AM
just to add to bens story, the LR endded up on its side with the prime mover of the semi-lorrie-18 wheeler, on its side mostly ON TOP of the LR and from the small photo the chassis was still looking pretty good.
serg

Troutrover
02-17-2005, 11:42 AM
Here is a slightly rolled 110 :eek: I saw this summer while picking up a rental D90 in the UK, again no NAS roll cage.

CB

Sergeant_V
02-17-2005, 05:17 PM
Noob lurker here. One of my friends said it best when describing Defender crash safety, "they use other cars as crumple zones".

Bluewater
02-17-2005, 05:46 PM
Yep, they hit the rear passenger tire at about 35mph (never even hit the brakes). Completely destroyed their car (Toyota Celica). I was not involved. I was 3 blocks away drinking a beer on my front porch. I had loaned the truck to someone to go to Lowe's to get a part for our toilet.

:shaking:

Never made that mistake again. Man that sucks. You wouldn't think that kinda stuff would happen but you just never know. I wreked my disco awhile back just taking a corner. I drive on that same corner every day wasn't going fast or anything almost totaled the disco into a ditch. It crazy one sec you got your favorite truck next thing you know you're starting from scratch. :barf:

AGRVR
02-18-2005, 08:42 AM
Man that sucks. You wouldn't think that kinda stuff would happen but you just never know. I wreked my disco awhile back just taking a corner. I drive on that same corner every day wasn't going fast or anything almost totaled the disco into a ditch. It crazy one sec you got your favorite truck next thing you know you're starting from scratch. :barf:


Yep, and I've been without a proper LR to use offroad since (well...just not set up properly) - see sig...

SepticBrit
02-24-2005, 01:43 AM
Tried as i might i couldn't 'dig up' any crash stats for Defenders...I did discover this though...

http://home.comcast.net/~jranmann/index.php.2.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~jranmann/Hole.JPG

Cherub Rock
02-24-2005, 02:32 AM
yeah, whatever about all the roll-over light-truck crash test garbage.

my disco is big and slow. i wont be drag racing down any mainstreets and doing a nitrous-crash into your pregger wife.

and as far as your routine unavoidable accidents go, you can crash your jetta into me all day long.

we'll have a quick lesson in the "M" part of ol' F=MA

AGRVR
02-24-2005, 09:14 AM
we'll have a quick lesson in the "M" part of ol' F=MA

:laughing: yep.

utahdog2003
02-24-2005, 12:05 PM
Yep, and I've been without a proper LR to use offroad since (well...just not set up properly) - see sig...

90 was a total loss after that wreck? why? Thing looks like you could tip it right up and drive off (but for the mess inside...)

Bluewater
02-24-2005, 12:08 PM
Tried as i might i couldn't 'dig up' any crash stats for Defenders...I did discover this though...Thats one bad photo shop job. :flipoff2:

SepticBrit
02-25-2005, 01:25 PM
One could always get one of these?

http://home.comcast.net/~jranmann/23_1_b.JPG

Armored D90 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31849&item=4524712956&rd=1)

Not so bad....a bit ambitious maybe Bluewater?
Let's see what you can do using the original picture at the bottom of the 2 ...?

AGRVR
02-28-2005, 05:56 PM
90 was a total loss after that wreck? why? Thing looks like you could tip it right up and drive off (but for the mess inside...)

No, 11 months and ~$20K later it still wasn't finished. Allstate refused to replace the frame (after doing the body it was discovered that the frame was damaged - doh!). In the end the frame was pulled and it needed a new rear axle housing and trailing arms. I picked it up from the body shop and two days later took it on a week long trip to Moab. The day after I got back I cleaned it up real nice and drove it about a mile from my house and the scene of the crash to the local BMW dealer and traded it in. It floated around ebay for about 6-9 months before a guy in Boulder bought it. They of course advertised it as never wrecked/never smoked in (which obviously was total BS). He took it to a Rover Riders (I think) meeting where Art Vigil (if memory serves) told him the history of the truck. He saw the pictures online and emailed me. A few months later I was in Denver and met him and looked at it and brought him the 4" thick file on the rebuild. AFAIK he still has it. When I can I'll just find a decent '94 or '95 ST as cheap as possible and start over. The lesson I learned was,

1. Never buy the fanciest, lowest mileage, most expensive D90 you can find.
2. Never get another SW model - a ST would have been much quicker and cheaper to fix.
3. Never ever let RJ Lynn borrow you car. :flipoff2: