I've searched and read and researched and reread and, well, you get the idea.

I've read that a few people who have never ran them say they are too skinny, and a few people who know people who have ran them swear by them.

SO---I'm looking for honest feedback from people who have ran the 38.5x11 Boggers in the rocks.

I'm running a 44 front, and I do compete once in a while, so I'm looking for the tallest, lightest, best tire I can get, without spreadin' my 44 all over the place. The 38.5 Bogger is the only one I am lacking input on.

Anyone?

I've been running them on my buggy for almost three years now. They work great for me. I have never had a flat and it doesn't seem like I am loosing anything to the wider tires.
It seem they are easy on axles. Been running stock birfs and it took me 2 years to break my first one.

In the pic is where I broke the first birf, obstacle #7 at the Hammers.

I ran them on a k5. Not rockcrawling but mostly mudding. I liked them. It was a good light tire to run with a d44

http://www.whiteknight.ca/ONEDGE.jpg

I am thinking of running 38x12.50 TSL'S They look like they will work good for a narrow tire. Decicions Decisions lol. I ran fatty 35" boggers but I'd like to try a tall pizza cutter and see how they do. I won't have as much COG, oh well. I ran some 35"MTRS this summer, I was used to the boggers and almost rolled it he he.

What width of wheel are you running those 38x11 Boggers on? looks like 8's.

8"

Thanks for replying.

Air Bag, you're one of the ones I was hoping would reply, I've seen pics of your buggy with the Boggers before. White Knight, I also remember reading that you had run them before.

I'm running 35x16x15 Boggers now, but with 5 or 6 lbs in them they only measure about 33.25". I've been extremely happy with their performance, but I think they weigh just about the same as or more than the 38.5's, and, if I remember correctly, the 38.5's measure closer to 37" or so with low pressure(depending on the weight of the vehicle). The 38.5's are also cheaper than most others in the 38" range(except for the 38x12.5 TSL, which I guess only measures about 36" with high pressure)

I think the Boggers are it so far, I just hadn't actually talked to anybody that had ran them. The 38x12.5 TSL just isn't tall enough, and the 38x12.5 SX is too stinkin' spendy. The rest are too big, heavy, or expensive.

Hmmmm, decisions decisions.

I have a buddy why has run 35x16 boggers, 39.5" boggers, 38.5x11 boggers, 37x13 boggers....


And to this day he swears the 38.5x11's were hands down the best tire of the whole bunch.... None of the others have even had the bite and drip they had.

airbag i know i tell ya every time we run. you need wider tires :flipoff2: seriously i think your rig would work even better than it does now with some 38.5 x 14 sx

Originally posted by white knight
I ran them on a k5. Not rockcrawling but mostly mudding. I liked them. It was a good light tire to run with a d44

http://www.whiteknight.ca/ONEDGE.jpg
Whiteknight,
Were you running a locker in your front 44 with those 38.5x11s?
If so did you have any problems with breaking?

Does anybody know what those tires really measure?
This thread got me thinking.
Thanks!
:usa:

Originally posted by Blazerman!!!


Does anybody know what those tires really measure?




Mine measure 37" off the Jeep.

How do 38.5X11.00 Boggers compare with Michelin 11.00R16 XLs for traction and casing strength/puncture resistance? Anyone run both?
Charlie

Originally posted by Blazerman!!!

Whiteknight,
Were you running a locker in your front 44 with those 38.5x11s?
If so did you have any problems with breaking?

Does anybody know what those tires really measure?
This thread got me thinking.
Thanks!
:usa:

With 38.5x11's , I had an open front diff and a limited slip in the rear at the beginning. I later put on a detroit ez locker up front. Had no problems. Ran great. In the mud these tires work very well,
I'm partial to boggers so I wouldn't even consider another tire.
The ez locker is recomended for tires not over 35" but it worked with these skinny boggers.

Have run, the 38.5x11's, 39.5" and now 44" boggers

I'm sticking with the 44's :D

I am waiting for the 44x11.00 bogger :flipoff2:
Originally posted by camo
airbag i know i tell ya every time we run. you need wider tires :flipoff2: seriously i think your rig would work even better than it does now with some 38.5 x 14 sx

if they made a 40-42 x 11.5 i would buy them, i really like this tire
i would just like a taller one

Originally posted by camo
airbag i know i tell ya every time we run. you need wider tires :flipoff2: seriously i think your rig would work even better than it does now with some 38.5 x 14 sx

I would love to run the 38.5 SX's or the 39.5 TSL's, but until I get a 60 or alloy shafts, I don't think my front end would hold up in competition. I HAVE seen people run the 38.5 SX's even on Dana 30's without much breakage though. If I could run 'em for a month and then get a full refund if my stuff didn't hold up, I'd be all over it:D

regardless of your tire choice your rig had better be in the 2500 lb range if you hope to make any axle other than a 60 live in rock crawling competition.

Originally posted by camo
regardless of your tire choice your rig had better be in the 2500 lb range if you hope to make any axle other than a 60 live in rock crawling competition.

I'm probably closer to #3500. A 60 would of course be the preferred route, and up until about 15 minutes ago it just wasn't an option. However, it appears as though I have just aquired a few sponsors:D

It might be a whole different ball game now.:smokin:

just my opinion but any competion rig that weighs 3500lbs and does not have aleast a 60 is gonna experiance axle failure often regardless of tire size. want proof, just ask our very own 4x4girl who just got back form the womens comp how her weekend went. :D

i will be at cal-rocks in a few weeks with desertoy on toy axles and longfields and i will bet ya 20 bucks we dnf due to axle failure.
the list goes on and on but you get the idea.

Originally posted by camo
ji will be at cal-rocks in a few weeks with desertoy on toy axles and longfields and i will bet ya 20 bucks we dnf due to axle failure.
the list goes on and on but you get the idea.

What's his buggy weighing??

just guessing around 3200 to 3400 lbs.

even so airbags rig is at around 2500 lbs and i have seen him break birfs on competion style obstacles with increasing frequency.

I ran UROC in Cedar City last year with a 44 and 35 boggers without breakin' anything, but I never REALLY got on it either, or I'm sure it would have scattered.

I wasn't really planning on being a contender, just wanted to have fun. But now that I've had a taste, it would be nice to be competetive(read: 60).

I'm hoping for a 60 out of this sponsorship deal, but I guess we'll see.

Would you say that a 44 with alloy shafts, CTM's, and slugs would hold up about the same as a 60, say with 38.5 SX's or 39.5 TSL's on a #3500 vehicle with a V8 and a final crawl of maybe 50:1? I guess the ring and pinion would be the weak link, but I wonder how weak?

For the money to build a 44 like that I guess you could just about pick up a 60. I know it's been hashed out on here a few times. Back to searchin' for me I guess.

You don't have to waste your time answering that. I've been searchin' for a bit and findin' answers. Thanks for the input.

well i will give you my input anyhow.

bingo. yes super 44's ( as i like to call them ) have merit but it is still a 44 and if you are starting out fresh i would get a 60.

That's kinda what I've found. I've read a few good threads I found about this that I must have missed when they first came up.
My 44 has 3.73's, it's welded, every seal on it leaks, the rotors are toast...........let's just say I wouldn't be out much if I just trashed it and started over with a 60, LOL.

This is more for the mud guys (white knight) but I am wondering how the 38.5 boggers do against the 44's in the mud. I mean the 38.5's are skinner sure, but they are less weight, suck less horsepower, and can be used with a light weight D44. Now if the 44"ers are used they are much heavier, such ALOT of horsepower, and now you are talking a MUCH heavier D60. So which one is better? Not which one looks better, but which one works better in the mud? I am thinking about 39.5's in the rear and 38.5's in the front on a D44. YEAH!! :smokin:

The 44's kick ass-period- but it's not just the tire as you said. Without the horsepower and drivetrain those 44's will not turn. You're opening a can of worms if you go that route so you better have a cashfull of dough ready.

I get through a hell of a lot more with the 44's than I did with the 38's. The 38's did well mind you.

Once you go Dana60- I wouldn't bother with 39.5's, I would go straight to 44's. You're going to loose some good ground clearance with the D60 and your D60 witrh 39.5's would probably underperform compared to the D44 with 38.5's.

I like the 38.5's on a jeep. They look good and will perform well. Light weight- Dana 44 will cut it.

What vehicle do you want to run this on?
39.5's in the rear on what diff?

If you're strictly mud- ie racing- tall skinny tractor tires, all around wheeling- boggers, rockcrawling- some of the guys on this board can better answer.

Where's TEX? He loves the bite 38" boggers have in mud, and he drives in it competitively.

Originally posted by white knight


What vehicle do you want to run this on?
39.5's in the rear on what diff?

If you're strictly mud- ie racing- tall skinny tractor tires, all around wheeling- boggers, rockcrawling- some of the guys on this board can better answer.

I have been wheelin an EB with a 351W, D44, and 9", and 35" boggers. After looking at your webpage most of the wheelin I do is similiar to yours, MUD. Last fall I tore the rig down and planted a built 460 in it with a C6 tranny. I have a 14bolt rear and D60 front ready to go in (well they still need to be built, gears, lockers, etc) but i was thinking keep my D44/and 35 spline 9" and using 39/38.5 bogger combo. OR throwing the 14/60 combo in and using 39" or 44" boggers. Decisions, Decisions!

Originally posted by clc900


I have been wheelin an EB with a 351W, D44, and 9", and 35" boggers. After looking at your webpage most of the wheelin I do is similiar to yours, MUD. Last fall I tore the rig down and planted a built 460 in it with a C6 tranny. I have a 14bolt rear and D60 front ready to go in (well they still need to be built, gears, lockers, etc) but i was thinking keep my D44/and 35 spline 9" and using 39/38.5 bogger combo. OR throwing the 14/60 combo in and using 39" or 44" boggers. Decisions, Decisions!

I am from MI also. A guy I know runs 38.5x11's on an EB. He has a 302, 44, 9". He doesn't break much but that thing is unbelievable in the mud. I don't know if it is because of the way his rig is set up or because of his driving. At a mud bog last spring, he beat a bunch of guys with 44's. I think they (38.5's)look retarded but I guess they work.

Originally posted by clc900
This is more for the mud guys (white knight) but I am wondering how the 38.5 boggers do against the 44's in the mud. I mean the 38.5's are skinner sure, but they are less weight, suck less horsepower, and can be used with a light weight D44. Now if the 44"ers are used they are much heavier, such ALOT of horsepower, and now you are talking a MUCH heavier D60. So which one is better? Not which one looks better, but which one works better in the mud? I am thinking about 39.5's in the rear and 38.5's in the front on a D44. YEAH!! :smokin:

IMO, the only thing 44's have going for them in the mud is clearance. You HAVE to run a 60 front with 'em, even on a downsize machine. And that's more weight, they suck more power, etc, etc. But, when it's really deep there's no question that taller is better. At my last two Top Mud Challenge races, the "Pit" was only so-so deep, and 38.5X11 Boggers ruled the slop in the 44" class. At TMC II, the "Pit" was 52" deep, and a guy on 44's won :)

Around here, we do both "Pit" (aka bog) and "Fast Track" (aka drag) racing. And the 38.5X11 is easily the most versatile tire if you want to do both.

TEX

Tex;

wish you were closer.

I'd love to race with yah :)

I do the "pit" action around herd but we do time it to be 'competitive" in the HP rigs. I would love to do "drag style" bogging......i'll keep looking I guess....after I finish the 4 runner-LOL;) :D :p

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/jjturner/nickel%204x4/101_0417.jpg

heres my truck in its testing stage. those arnt my 38.5`boggers but they sure did well!! especially in 2wd with 4.10 gears!

a little late don't you think? (9 years):shaking:

WoW! At least he searched. ;)

i have been on this site for the good part of 2 years... very new to the sport and 20 yrs of age.. much to learn! still a bit intimidated by the forums dont want to make a build thread just yet...

P.S Search bar is my bible!

WoW! At least he searched. ;)

No shit. Bitch if they do,Bitch if they don't . Worse than a bunch of women round here. Never happy.