Some lucky folks got their copy of XOM Issue 2 at ProROCK...... Jody bought 13 :eek:

Honest opinions, whatcha think of the direction we're going in?

i will let you know when it showes up in the mail :p

If I get a copy by tomarrow, I'll sign an ad deal with you.

Sweeeeeeeeettttt issue! Although I gave up my copy to a more deserving person...I'll be down at the local 7-11 store buying them all up!

DB :D

Rockcrawling needed a mag like XOM, it is making good drivers/ spotters get some well deserved attention, as well as companies that sponsor our ever growing sport, I've met a lot of the drivers from Judging CALROCS events, now I see them in the the mag and I'm like "dude I met that guy", not only that, I'm sick of certain mags that spend countless pages on gay ass shit like IFS lift kits and testing SUV's :)and 4wheelparts ads.

Plus it is written with a sense of humor, I was laughing reading the new issue yesterday when under the pic it said "nice blankie", oh, BTW stop doggin' toys using winches!! :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: for the best mag on the planet :D

What stores can i buy an issue in? Or is it just available online?

In your state (I cannot even spell it :flipoff2: ) it is only by subscription that I know of. it is in 7-11 and other stores in California and in book stores soon, maybe even this issue. I do not get a report of exactly what stores it is i, only what areas it sells to and how many. 2500 went to L.A. I know, beyond that i am still waiting to hear back!

Tony - you'll have mail :grinpimp:

The most kick ass mag I have ever read. All you guys need is a few slutty models hanging all over the cars now and then so people won't think I'm a freak for getting wood when I read it. The waterfall pics are the sh!t.

cain't wait for mine :D

Nice to meet ya down there Jeff.... and looks like we got the slutty model on that shoot for ya ;)

I guess this means the right coast boys will be getting theirs soon :D :D :D

Issue #2 hasn't arrived yet, so the only comment I can make with confidence is: NEEDS MORE MUD :p


TEX

If I get a copy by tomarrow, I'll sign an ad deal with you.


So Tony.... how ya like the fawkin magazine I overnighted to ya? :flipoff2:

You can make the check out to Xtreme Offroad Magazine :grinpimp:

Mud is for people who lack the ability to navigate obstacles :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Mud is for people who lack the ability to navigate obstacles :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Rocks are for people too slow for mud :p :flipoff2:


TEX

How was the Pirates Snow Trip writeup?

Who are the Pirates? :flipoff2:

Kev you got a box coming down for the club this week, hang tight.... I spent so much on printing I need to get caught up on the bank stuff haha.....

No probs bro.`Just wanted to hear what people thought :^)

Got my issue at Pro-Rock. Fawkin badass :eek: :eek:

The pirate write-up has some good pics, but I haven't read it yet, cause its next to the couch, not the toilet :D

Hurry up and grab a few double cheeseburgers and get to it! I just got the new DirtSport so I feel a brown trout lingering myself :flipoff2:

I could not believe my eyes when I opened the mail box and there it was. I thought I would have to wait until I got back from Moab but now I have something to read on the trip. I like how you used some Pirate posts in the Supercrawl story. You guys have put out another great magazine.

So Tony.... how ya like the fawkin magazine I overnighted to ya? :flipoff2:

You can make the check out to Xtreme Offroad Magazine :grinpimp:


My legs got numb. I sat on the pot too long reading it from cover to cover.




To all the readers out there:

Look for our new ad in Xtreme Offroad Magazine coming out in issue 3. :)

thanks Tim

:D I've been a fan of Rock Equipment ever since I saw you guys back at Goldendale in 2003. Glad to have ya on board! Everyone else, we will have a few vendors selling copies in Moab over the next two weeks so stop in and grab a copy for $5.00..... I know Difficult Trail should have some at the Moab 4x4 Outpost lot and PSC Steering and WildKat Video may have some for sale too....

Another excellent month, XOM! Supreme quality, great content and awesome, absolutely awesome editorials! You guys RAWK!

Thanks for the support and exposure of the Superlift ProROCK Series. :D

No prob. Now dont forget to mention us next time on the Press Credentials, and when you hand out the Trophies... ;)

It was a good event Heidi. :grinpimp:

Yeah that was a great crowd turn out sunday, good work prorock!

Dammit.. now I gotta run home and check my mail again..

Sounds like AZ is getting close to getting them, some people down there have gotten them already. Just depends on how motivated the local post offices is to getRdone I guess.....

A buddy had your mag....looks good.

I just subscribed. :beer:

when can i expect issue 2 to arrive?

They started arriving here in MO yesterday, I bet you get it in the next few days.

still waiting on the right coast. hopefully this week.

I got mine on Friday you guys are by far the best mag out there .The second issue is just as good as the first keep up the good work .

The first one was awesome... I think I can safely bet that the second one will be better

No probs bro.`Just wanted to hear what people thought :^)

It made a better picure book than a read, but then again, I'm not a big reader :flipoff2: Non the less, a good article :smokin:

I got mine here in the frozen north on the 18th, looks awesome.

Gus

Mine came yesterday in Indianapolis! You guys have exceeded your own pre production hype, keep it up!

They started arriving here in MO yesterday, .


Not at my house yet, mailman must like it :D

TEX

Does the PO forward? Forgot to do addy change when we moved the shop.....dammit.

Got my issue in Indiana yesterday, couldn't work today!!! But really, GREAT JOB everyone at Extreme Offroad Magazine.....


<Tom, The offer stands, whenever your ready!>

No only is it a great issue but evidently the Editor is HAWT :smokin:

I Received All My New Magazines Last Week. 4 Wheel, Petersens, Ect. I Havent Touched One Of Them And I Have Read Yours Front To Back At Least 3 Times. Awesome Mag Guys.

Still waiting in NJ, the suspense is killing me!!!!!

Well, here's my honest opinion. I received my mag yesterday and sat down to read it cover to cover. The pics are awesome and I love the fact that it focuses on the extreme. However, my opinion of the mag totally changed after reading the last page. There is a story towards the end that is written by OG. In my opinion, he is an arrogant, self_absorbed asshole and I can't beleive you allowed the story to go to print. He brings absolutely nothing to the sport and detracts from the positive image that the sport should be trying to pursue. Here he is saying that people that are trying to help and/or praise him are idiots and don't belong on the trail. Gimme a break :mad3: To me, he comes off as being a bully that has no time for anyone that's not on his level (which is probably not that high anyhow) and scoffs those that look up to him. Hope I never read something like that in print again...

Other than that, good mag and I look forward to getting the next one. I prefer to read about a nice group of guys that are willing to spend a day taking you out for some wheeling like the SNORT boys. Never in a million years could I imagine thoughts or words like those that OG spewed out coming from Jason or Trevor....two of the nicest and most helpful guys on any trail.

I just got the issue 1 in the mail and have to say I am very impressed.

Got a Question Cavey....

One the coverage of Winrock in Oak Ridge, what trail is that Waterfall off of. I thought I had covered every inch up there, by Truck and ATV never saw anything like that...

No only is it a great issue but evidently the Editor is HAWT :smokin:

Thanks!

Thanks!

Does your ankle feel any better?? Did you go to the doctor yet?? :shaking: Tell them they are stupid, that HAS to be broken and not just sprained. My knee and ankle are about that same color from the roll, but it's just tissue... Yours has GOT to be broken with how it looked Monday :( Get better lady!!!!! Drink more margaritas!!! :laughing:

Does your ankle feel any better?? Did you go to the doctor yet?? :shaking: Tell them they are stupid, that HAS to be broken and not just sprained. My knee and ankle are about that same color from the roll, but it's just tissue... Yours has GOT to be broken with how it looked Monday :( Get better lady!!!!! Drink more margaritas!!! :laughing:

I'm going today....got back to late last night. You get better too!

Check it out.

Laurie hurts her ankle again trying to make pistons fly from my motor and G gets a scatch on her knee from my poor spotting skills.

That why dudes drive and chicks watch !!!!









hahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhaahahaahhahaahhaahaha !

I just got #2 yesterday can't read it all yet
Great mag Great picks
But I was hoping to see a fue more real trucks
comp buggies are cool but the same ones over and over :(

just my .02

thanks for a great mag

Check it out.

Laurie hurts her ankle again trying to make pistons fly from my motor and G gets a scatch on her knee from my poor spotting skills.

That why dudes drive and chicks watch !!!!

hahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhaahahaahhahaahhaahaha !

I didn't hurt it again...it was still messed up. I didn't break your rig,that was Fred! So quit complaining. :flipoff2:

Fred said it was broken when he got in it. But you know how those other magazine guys are :)

I love the big shots..the tiny comp pics do nothing for me, great if you get your pic in the mag, but that is about all those are worth.

Keep it up!!

Tony, like I said, you are fired! :laughing:

Fred didn't like it too much when I saw him Tuesday and I said "Hi Time-out! Whats up!?!" :laughing:

Do ya think we made it in the magazine rolling that baby?? :laughing: :shaking:

Tony, like I said, you are fired! :laughing:

Fred didn't like it too much when I saw him Tuesday and I said "Hi Time-out! Whats up!?!" :laughing:

Do ya think we made it in the magazine rolling that baby?? :laughing: :shaking:


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

comp buggies are cool but the same ones over and over :(



Yeah, it's not so bad now (got #2 yesterday), but I have flashbacks of a few years ago when Petersen's had Shannon Campbell in practically every issue, and that was before competition rock-crawling even existed. Y'all are doing a lot of stuff right such as:

*Showing the scores from the comps
*Going out of your way to get pics of the WINNERS
*High quality (and quantity) on the pics
*complete lack of poser type rigs

That said, keeping it fresh will become a challenge as more & more issues go to print. Straight from Laurie's editorial, you want to feature "rock crawling and hardcore wheeling". You're going to have to incorporate more of that non-rock "hardcore" stuff. I'd say at least one article a year covering Formula Off-Road in Iceland would be a nice start. Maybe some Gravelrama coverage. And yes, (you knew this was coming ;)) mud. On the rock scene, you'll have to incorporate more of the local events; those not sanctioned by the "big 3" in order to show some rigs most of us would otherwise never even know about. You just have to be certain that they're quality events so as not to lose credibility (like the other mags do when they cover "mud" events that are more drunk-fests than actual competitions). Y'all did a nice job mixing things up with the trail events. But, if you're going to cover 4 or 5 comps in a single issue, you may need to have one of those be some event that features none of the "normal" rock-crawling crowd - or even one event that features no rocks whatsoever.

TEX

I'll give you my views, and then the ones of the folks we've shown it to around the shop...
I like it, I like it a lot :)
I like that you did the whole "random pics and funny captions" part we had talked about... even if it may have already been in the mix.
The coverage is great, the Money Shot is awesome Framed is a kick ass section, too
I also like the style of writing... more down to earth, and unrestrained (just wait till Primedia or other big house buys you out and see where the censor sticks his hand up the puppet ass that all writers become in those scenarios)
All in all... just what I need to get my fix on the more extreme side of life.

Around the shop, and at my day job...
Folks are amazed. Terms like "Holy shit", "Oh my God", "Awesome" and "Where can I get a copy" were most common.
One of the odd comments that we all made around our copies, and the folks we so nicely allowed to peruse the pages had to say "Man, that is a good, quality paper they're using. It probably won't rip when you're trying to turn pages (when slump-drunk and showing off some badd ass stunt you witnessed at a run or comp - inner-voice of Glenn)"

Great jobs Guys and Gal. Glad I subscribed.
One thing I noticed, though... you ran with the AirForce buggy, and mentioned it all throughout the article. Yet the only pic I can see of it is from a distance. Oh well :)

got mine last thursday...but this issue for the 2nd time got my name spelled wrong on the scores for the last calrocs event in beatty....not like it really matters..but just found it kinda funny :laughing: :laughing: but other than that...it was great

Chaz talk to Lil Bitch... we get the scores and ames directly from him.....

air force buggy will be a full feature very soon, hang tight... we will be there when they present it to the air force as a gift for recruiting....

cavey, i received two mags this month? One was at my correct address the other was at my parents. I dont even know how you got their address. I dont want you guys to keep sending out too many expensive mags.

This issue rocks BTW!

Thanks
Jeremy

I tried to PM you but your inbox is full

Gonna piss somebody off but I like spotter ropes. I think we will see more spotter injuries without them. At K-ROCKS when a team tries a course without the strap the spotter is nearly always on the downhill side of the rig especially if the driver side is on the down side. With the rope at least they are where the rig is not going to be in a rollover. I think the coure designers should change their thinking. When you set up a course where the spotter is out of site on the other side of an obstical where the driver has to have 30 mph wheel speed to launch over an hill, change it. The Matterhorn is a classic example of that. Where is the safe place for the spotter in that situation? On the blindside where the rig is going to launch over, top of the small hill where they are comming at 30 mph, or on the ground behind the rig where most of them are going to land?

Set up some rules for the rope like never be directly in front of the rig etc. But don't drop the rope change the cones.

BTW love the 2nd issue. Cept for the rope thang.
Randy Kruse
Katemcy Rocks

At K-ROCKS when a team tries a course without the strap the spotter is nearly always on the downhill side of the rig especially if the driver side is on the down side.

If that's a dangerous place to be, outlaw being there.


I think the coure designers should change their thinking. When you set up a course where the spotter is out of site on the other side of an obstical where the driver has to have 30 mph wheel speed to launch over an hill, change it. The Matterhorn is a classic example of that. Where is the safe place for the spotter in that situation?

Out in the crowd somewhere I guess. Again, gotta have safe zones & it's not going to be the same for every obstacle. Point is to not put the guys directly in harm's way, whether that be in front of a rig getting a run at an obstacle, downhill from one that's about to roll, or dangling from a strap in a precarious situation.

TEX

I wouldn't have sounded like the whiney bitch (that I am) if you guys got pictures of ALL the winners in #1......Gotta hang out with Randy more, I guess.
BTW, my wife left a voice mai msg with the new shop address...is it too late to get #2? Gotta have it, all the cool kids do.

As far as creating zones where spotters cannot be, the sport is not ready for that yet. It would require very well trained and consistant judges and what we have so far is inconsistant volunteers. They do their best but they cannot be held responsible for a 3-dimensional plane on which ropes can and cannot be used, too complex. If they are at the back of the rig, how do they know if that rope crossed the illegal plane? They can't see everything.

rbaer, just got back from Moab, I'll check voicemail...

Thank you.

I agree 100000000% with this. I just finished reading that page, since I was reading here about it, and I decided to go out to my truck, get the mag, and read the article from OG. I will tell you this. I will be continuing the subscription, but the first thing I will do is rip the article by OG out. Waste of my time, and IMHO, you guys don't need an arrogant A-hole writing crap like that for you.
Scott

This is the first off road mag that I read cover to cover. The 'others' are just skimmed for the pertinent info and the crap is disregarded. The quality of the photos is excellent and the writing isn't half bad either. I like the sticker too :D. Is there a contingency program if we run the sticker and place in the top 3 at a comp?

Keep up the good work. I don't know how it could be any better.

Hamy.

I I will be continuing the subscription, but the first thing I will do is rip the article by OG out. Waste of my time, and IMHO, you guys don't need an arrogant A-hole writing crap like that for you.
Scott

I don't know, I read it & I think he has some valid points. I mean who among us hasn't found ourselves in a precarious situation & as a result received all kinds of bad unsolicited advice? Worse, when you ask one specific guy for help & half a dozen others are shouting conflicting advice. Perhaps OG did come off as arrogant, but that doesn't mean he was wrong.

TEX

I stumbled a few times on some of the sentence structure, but I'm trying to get used to the writing styles.

We're working with a new copy editor now and this will not be a problem in future issues. I too was a little dissapointed in the SC3 article but under time constraints I ran what we had.

Waste of my time, and IMHO, you guys don't need an arrogant A-hole writing crap like that for you.

I think you're missing the point. OG is a character that we created, he is meant to come across like that and get you fired up. You're talking about the article and him as a writer, are you not? So it worked. I think he is funny and often correct at the same time. It is a parody, I mean watch Saturday Night Live sometime and see how they over-exaggerate George Bush's manerisms on purpose to be funny, so it is with OG. I his two articles thus far hit on two valid concepts, both involving safety on the trail. We could just copy/paste OSHA safety manuals in there but OG is more fun :flipoff2:

Got it Rbaer, I'll kick a copy out tomorrow.....
Now that makes me feel good. Wonder if I'll get the same response from Dirt Sports......

I would have LOVED to see more on the Modified guys.

Loved the mag, bought it at moab 4x4 outpost... it got wet in the jeep Friday when the rain/hail/snow storm rolled in, and we laid it out to dry at the hotel and peeled the pages apart to read it on the long trip back to PA...

Anyways... yea.. I agree.. more focus on the modified class ... nice big pictures of them helps us (semi)normal folks get some ideas... the vast majority of us are never gonna have a buggy, but will build our jeep/yota/zuki close to what the modified guys run.

Keep up the good work, my husband wants a subscription.

-Mel

Now that makes me feel good. Wonder if I'll get the same response from Dirt Sports......


Better hurry I'm gonna be in the Dirt Sports Rag Garrronteee. :grinpimp:

Hands down the best Rockcrawling Magazine right now. I do agree that we need more pics of the modified and Legends class thats where all of us are. We like to see rigs just like ours Kicking ass. Keep up the good work and always send mine out 2weeks before Rbaer's.

Scratch that. The last 2 issues he dreweled all over mine before I could finish it.

The boss tells me to be arrogant and cranky, I'll be arrogant and cranky.

Don't miss the point though...the "helpful" bystanders very often do more harm than good.

The boss tells me to be arrogant and cranky, I'll be arrogant and cranky.

Don't miss the point though...the "helpful" bystanders very often do more harm than good.

So OG is actually initials for Obnoxious Grump?? :confused: :flipoff2:

Haven't got to that part yet (I'm 1/2 through the mag right now) and I'm looking forward to it.

That's funny. You know, I keep telling people that it is just a personality that cavey and I created at a Starbucks in Seattle, but people can't separate me from OG.

He is a combination of three people that I know. All of them are over 60 and are just that grumpy.

That's funny. You know, I keep telling people that it is just a personality that cavey and I created at a Starbucks in Seattle, but people can't separate me from OG.

He is a combination of three people that I know. All of them are over 60 and are just that grumpy.

Maybe you need a disclaimer at the top. You know something like:

The following is not written from any one person. But, rather it is written from that person we can all be on our worse day. Or worse yet, that person we all knew growing up as the crazy man in the ugly house on the corner, with the unkept yard, cobwebs in the windows and stacks of unread papers on the front porch. You know the one that only came out to yell at the "infernal racket of you unruly kids" or to sick his ungroomed, scrawny and viscious mutt on you. Yeah THAT guy! The one you loved to hate and plotted and planned with all the other kids in the 'hood to secretly kidnap and tie to a tree in the forrest . . . .with his dog.

That's not a bad idea. . .hmmmmm.

Although, I do like to ruffle a few feathers. A lot of times people that get pissed over stuff like this are just as arrogant as OG. ;)

The crew at XOM deserves a nice pat on the back for bringing our sport to the eyes of the world. No other magazine covers competitions as well or as accurately, (except for the WEROCK schedule), as XOM. Kudos guys and gals for a job well done, the superior thickness of the rag kicks ass also.

Jerod Gersch

That's not a bad idea. . .hmmmmm.

Although, I do like to ruffle a few feathers. A lot of times people that get pissed over stuff like this are just as arrogant as OG. ;)

Real or not people do not like to here arrogant people bragg

Real or not people do not like to here arrogant people bragg

I call B.S. People don't like to here anyone brag, period . . . about anything. Whether the bragger is arrogant or meely, bragging still makes others angry.

Hmmmm. . .I don't think OG was bragging. . .he was telling a story from his perspective with his personality. I don't remember him saying that he was a bad ass or anything along those lines.

I think it is really funny that no one said a word about the drinking on the trail editorial in the first issue and it was written from exactly the same perspective. On the other hand, only a small handful of people have had anything negative to say and the vast majority got the point and a chuckle at the same time.

Would you rather have a generic editorialist like a lot of the other rags? He could tell you what he found when cleaning his garage or how he hasn't had time to go wheelin'. . .Or, we could have an edgey, old school wheeler who has been around the block enough times not to give a shit what anyone thinks of him, but has a good point to prove at the same time. That way, we could start a thread on an internet bbs every month to talk about whether or not he is full of crap. Yeah, he's loud and a little arrogant, but one thing you haven't seen is the mad props he gives to people that lend a hand or. . .hand an ass. . .out on the trail. He prefers to think of himself as "plain spoken". It just so happens that the first two editorials focussed on people that piss him off. Stay tuned.

Gawd, if you guys only knew the real OG... I remember back in the day (2004) he was handing people their asses on his 31" Mud terrains and now he has 35's - can't wait to wheel with him this weekend haha.... I think a lot of people take their attitudes from Bulletin Boards and use it to critique magazine articles like this and it is wrong - it is a different realm. OG isn't trying to piss people off but bring our sport and "attitude" to the masses.... this may seem arrogant to you but to little billy rich kid in his new Runican't its funny and hopefully sinks in...

More coverage of modified classes and trail rigs, got it... european stuff too, Iceland, Sweden, Mongolia, Japan.... we will go there in 2006-2006!!

I never had 31s. . . they were 32s :LOL:

That's not a bad idea. . .hmmmmm.

Although, I do like to ruffle a few feathers. A lot of times people that get pissed over stuff like this are just as arrogant as OG. ;)


Its all OK until you start picking on me.

I never give bad spots and always stand way away from the trail when I drink.

Ok, so maybe I missed the real point of the article, but IMHO, its hard to see the "real" point of OG's article, with the biting sarcasm and total arrogance shining through the way it did. In regards to having tons of people trying to spot you, only confusing you all the more... Maybe I just wheel with the right people. When I get in a position like that, and people start yelling at me to do stuff, I tell everyone to be quiet, and assign one person to spot me, and everytime, that works fine.
Scott

This thread has too many spotters :flipoff2:

Hands down the best Rockcrawling Magazine right now. I do agree that we need more pics of the modified and Legends class thats where all of us are. We like to see rigs just like ours Kicking ass. Keep up the good work and always send mine out 2weeks before Rbaer's.

Scratch that. The last 2 issues he dreweled all over mine before I could finish it.
I quit "drooling" as soon as I realized that your second-place ass was in it and not the class winner, namely myself. Well, almost 'cuz I still had to read the rest of what I consider the best off-road rag on the stand.
Go sell gas.

still waiting on my mag to show up.

I loved the mag !!!!
Read it cover/cover twice while sitting in the hospital waiting for the wife who was haveing kidney surgery.


FYI, there will be A LOT of 'REAL WORLD' people wheelin their 'pride/joy' at the Hammers the weekend of April 22/24.

And Friday nite, one of the luckiest 4X'ers, the raffle winner, will take delivery of the trail truck the Tin Benders built at TDS in 15 hours !!!!!!!!

I'll see if we can be there, I'll add it to the agenda for tomorrows secret meeting....

Awesome, awesome, awesome.

Thanks for puttin' out a rag that doesn't have an article on budget boosts, 32" tires, or truck "shows".

Keep up the incredible work.