: california smog ?s for motor changes
when doing a swap into a rig say from a toyota 4cyl and 5 speed tranny, can you put a non over drive tranny into that same rig with what ever motor and still be to california's specs... I was told that if your vehichal had a over drive in it it has to stay that way.. thanks that means it would be a 700r4 or nv 4500 if you went the chevy route..
67FLAT4 02-20-2002, 05:08 PM Tranmisions don't pollute engine's do. I don't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to do that. but I'm no expert and you CA smog guys.
Lil'John 02-20-2002, 05:27 PM They didn't have a problem with my engine swap of a 5.0L TBI engine(from a Camaro) with a SM465 into a 75 Toyota Land Cruiser. Obviously, the Cruiser didn't have an overdrive while the engine originally did.
Best thing to do is to call up the referee and ask. Take down his name, number, etc for your records so when you go to get it approved, you can say "so and so told me this was correct".
Blucruz 02-20-2002, 07:03 PM You can put whatever tranny you want. They just suggest that you use the transmission that originally came with the engine your swapping in.
This is off the California smog check web site:
Engine Replacement and Rebuilding Guidelines
Overview
Engine changes continue to present problems and challenges to car owners and technicians. Here are some tips to keep you and your customers on the straight and narrow.
Our recommendation is to rebuild and reinstall the original engine, transmission, and emission control configuration.
When rebuilding an engine, it must be rebuilt to the original equipment specifications. However, if you do decide to change the engine, these guidelines must be observed to ensure that the vehicle will be eligible for smog certification or registration.
Remember, these are guidelines for performing engine changes -- not certification procedures. All exhaust emission controlled vehicles with engine changes must be inspected by an official referee station and must have a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Vehicle Identification Label affixed to the doorpost.
Remember also, state and federal anti-tampering laws generally prohibit any modification to the vehicle's original emission control system configuration as certified by the manufacturer. And, Section 3362.1 of the California Code of Regulations prohibits any engine change that degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system.
California Certification
A federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) certified (federal or 49-state) engine cannot be used in a vehicle that was originally certified for California.
Certification Standards
Make sure the engine and emission control configuration on exhaust - controlled vehicles are certified to the year of the vehicle or newer, and to the same or a more stringent new vehicle certification standard.
Classification
Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy-duty engine cannot be installed in a light-duty exhaust-controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non-emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off-road-use-only engines may not be placed in any exhaust-controlled vehicle.
Computer Controls
If a computer-controlled engine is installed in a non-computerized vehicle, the "CHECK ENGINE" light, the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses needed to make the system fully functional must also be installed.
Emission Control Configuration
Mixing and matching emission control system components could cause problems and is generally not allowed. Engine and emission control systems must be in an engine-chassis configuration certified by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) or U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The engine must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed.
Emission Warranty
Voiding the vehicle manufacturer's emission warranty is not allowed.
Engine Modifications
No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, intakes, etc.) may be performed unless the parts are ARB-exempted or EPA-certified for use in the installed engine. Use the database on this site to search for aftermarket parts covered by ARB Executive Orders.
Original Equipment
The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel-to-gasoline conversions must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed (such as fillpipe restrictor, catalytic converter and evaporative emission system).
Smog Inspection
These vehicles must pass a complete smog inspection (visual, functional, and tailpipe).
Cal Smog Check (http://smogcheck.ca.gov/StdPage.asp?Body=/smogcheck/default.asp)
What cha buildin?:rasta:
Bigtoy22 02-20-2002, 07:53 PM the ref told me it must have the same type of tranny offered for that engine. just make sure the motor has a matching computer, auto for auto, and manual for manual. should be fine. hope to get mine in soon so it willbe back on the road.
well I guess I will call the referee and make sure from them too... I am building a 80 toyota 2 wheel drive truck in to a 4x.. I would just asume go with a turbo 350 and don't want to have to go with a 700r4 for a mainly trail truck..
SMART ASS 02-21-2002, 06:12 PM You can put any tranny in you want. CA does not care what tranny it is, its ENGINE SMOG crap only
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I AM SWAPING IN A CARB ENGINE out for a EFI engine...
I was in contact with this dude:
(his reply e-mail to me)
My name is John Baltazar and I am a Smog Check Referee Regional Manager. To
answer your questions on your vehicle you are building, I need to know what
year,make & model DMV is calling your vehicle?
I can be reached at (916)418-5214 or paged at 1-800-705-1503. Call me and I
will try to give you some direction.
Thanks,
John
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440-fide Ramcharger 02-22-2002, 09:04 AM As I understand it, if you have an od trans, you must keep it od. I put a t-350 in my 87 Buick. The trans guy told me it would not be smog legal because it origionally came with a 2004r. I was just getting bi-annual inspections so it was no big deal. Not something they check. Now getting a motor swap ok'ed by the ref would probably be a different story. If you got it ok'ed with a ref with an od and then swapped to whatever you wanted, they probably would not catch it at a regular smog check. Check into it some more and good luck,
yep that is what I heard too..I will be making the call soon...
Originally posted by 67FLAT4
Tranmisions don't pollute engine's do. I don't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to do that. but I'm no expert and you CA smog guys.
NO trannies don't make any smog, but your car will if you going down the freeway with no overdrive VS. if you did have OD
Wilson 02-22-2002, 11:35 PM What if you were to swap in a propane powered engine. I've thought of doing this, since I have all of the stuff, hoping that they may be less stringent with an alterantive fuel-powered engine.
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