: Stupid Newbie Question


ott
03-25-2005, 10:33 PM
I would like to build a stroker using the crank and rods from a 258 with the pistons, block, etc of my 4.0. There is an old postal Jeep in the junk yard with an i6, but no tags of any kind. How do I identify the 258?

BrettM
03-25-2005, 10:40 PM
if you know it's a newbie question, why not post in the newbie section?

ott
03-26-2005, 07:26 AM
if you know it's a newbie question, why not post in the newbie section?

Thought I would have the best chance of getting Jeep info in the Jeep forum... stupid me. :confused: Sounds like you don't know the answer though, so maybe you ought to be posting in the newbie section to.
:flipoff:

dana300
03-26-2005, 07:40 AM
Google search results which took all of 1.3 seconds......

Next time search for it yourself, lazy-ass...........and please go away now.



"The AMC 258 was introduced in 1971 in J-series pickups and Wagoneers and in 1972 in CJs. It continued to be used through 1990 in the Wrangler. It is basically a stroked 232 engine; some background about the AMC inline 6s (I6s) is given in the article about the 232. The great thing about this engine is it reliable, inexpensive, and has horse power and torque peaks at low RPM.

The 258 has a cast iron block and cylinder head, hydraulic lifters (with non-adjustable rockers), 7 main bearings, and cast iron crankshaft and rods. The 258 I6 engine was always carbureted from the factory. The 1-barrel engines came with the Carter YF carburetor, and the 2-barrel engines came with the Carter BBD. Many people complain about the Carter BBD carburetor and the maze of emissions vacuum hoses. There are a couple of articles below that can help you sort through those hoses and tune the Carter BBD. For a carbureted engine, the 258 with the Carter BBD performs very well off road.

There are two generations of 258 engines. The first generation was introduced in 1971. This earlier engine has cast iron intake and exhaust manifolds with the two manifolds bolted together by 4 bolts and a gasket between. In 1981, AMC revised the 258 for lighter weight. A new block casting and fewer crankshaft counterweights were used. A new smoother exhaust manifold and aluminum intake manifold were introduced. V-belts were replaced with a serpentine belt, and a new lightweight plastic valve cover was fitted. Although these two generations have the same bellhousing and motormount attachments, and are mostly the same internally, the differences must be kept in mind when choosing used replacement parts.

The 258 can be identified by the 4th character of the engine build date code ("A", "B", "C" or "M"), stamped into the engine block below and between the number 2 and 3 spark plugs. An engine stamped with "B" is an early 258 with a 7.6:1 compression ratio. "A" and "B" are engines with 1-barrel carburetors, while "C" and "M" are 2-barrel. "M" originated in Mexico. Other codes ("E", "F", "K" and "L") are 232 engines.

The 258 used in '87-'90 Wrangler YJs uses a computer controlled Carter BBD. It is very simlar to the 258 used in '82-'86 CJs, but performance suffers due to emmission controls.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke 3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement 258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio 9.2:1
Horsepower (net) 112@3200
Torque (net) 210@2000
Main Bearings 7
Valve Configuration OHV
Fuel 2bbl Carter BBD



The 258 used in '82-'86 CJs used a computer controled Carter BBD. The computer controls mixture based on an O2 sensor and other sensors.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke 3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement 258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio 9.2:1
Horsepower (net) 115@3200
Torque (net) 210@1800
Main Bearings 7
Valve Configuration OHV
Fuel 2bbl Carter BBD




The 258 used in '79-'81 CJs, some used a 1bbl carb and some used a 2bbl carb.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke 3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement 258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio 8.3:1
Horsepower (net) 110@3500
Torque (net) 195@2000
Main Bearings 7
Valve Configuration OHV
Fuel 1bbl and 2bbl


The 258 used in '72-'78 CJs, J-series pickups, and Wagoneers, some used a 1bbl carb and lower compression than later 258s.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke 3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement 258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio 8.0:1
Horsepower (net) 110@3500
Torque (net) 195@2000
Main Bearings 7
Valve Configuration OHV
Fuel 1bbl



The 258 was introduced in 1971 as the standard engine in J-series pickups and Wagoneers.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke 3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement 258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio 8.5:1
Horsepower (gross) 150@3800
Torque (gross) 240@1800
Main Bearings 7
Valve Configuration OHV
Fuel 1bbl Carter or Holley"

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LilRocky
03-26-2005, 08:07 AM
Thought I would have the best chance of getting Jeep info in the Jeep forum... stupid me. :confused: Sounds like you don't know the answer though, so maybe you ought to be posting in the newbie section to.
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Yeah, Jackass, and I would have the best chance of balancing my budget if I stole stuff, instead of paying for it.... but that's not the way the world works. If ya wanna play here, play by the rules... Otherwise, you're welcome to kindly fawk off.

Root Moose
03-26-2005, 05:46 PM
Thought I would have the best chance of getting Jeep info in the Jeep forum... stupid me. :confused: Sounds like you don't know the answer though, so maybe you ought to be posting in the newbie section to.
:flipoff:
Too funny. Brett's probably forgotten more about this stuff than you'll ever know if you responses are any indicator.

r@m

ott
03-27-2005, 12:28 AM
Too funny. Brett's probably forgotten more about this stuff than you'll ever know if you responses are any indicator.

r@m

That's right! Most I have ever even looked at a Jeep so far is changing the oil in the wife's 2.5L. But, question your knowledge of the subject, and your egos can't help but answering my question. Sorry to have troubled your all knowing, divine eyes with my trivial little question. :( Although, if I am such a problem, why did you even read or reply to a thread entitled "stupid newbie question?"

I think it is because flaming on somebody who knows less than you makes you feel so important that you blow a load in your shorts.

You get out the tissues, and I will kindly fawk off....