how strong are toyota axles compared to a ford 8.8" since they are about the same width?

I have no experience with the 8.8 but the Toy rear axle is pretty stout. Here are some features to consider:

*It has large bearings and 30 spline axles just like a std duty D60.

*86 up to the Taco's are 58" wide and have 11" brakes.

*V6 models have heavier duty reinforced thirds with larger carrier bearings.

*The housings hold up well to V6 power. V8's tend to warp the third mounting flange.

I hope this helps:)

toyota

I should have mentioned I'm looking for a good match to a waggy D44 front. As for the mounting flange, you mean like the spring pad area? my friend has a t100 and that's where his cracked. He put in a ford 9" to replace it and deal with this 40" tires.

i would consider the toy rear axle. very stout and parts are lots of performance parts including cro-mo axles are available

Originally posted by YJ4LIFE
As for the mounting flange, you mean like the spring pad area?

No- the mounting flange for the third member.

TOYOTA! its very strong for its size. i would swap the toy axle in my V8 jeep before an 8.8.:D

dont try this subject in the jeep forum!:laughing: those guys love the 8.8!:nuke:

is it possible to put fullsize ford pickup axles and brakes on the explorer with a respline job? Those should have enough room to go 6x5.5 or be left alone and the waggy d44 made to 5x5.5"

Originally posted by YJ4LIFE
I should have mentioned I'm looking for a good match to a waggy D44 front. As for the mounting flange, you mean like the spring pad area? my friend has a t100 and that's where his cracked. He put in a ford 9" to replace it and deal with this 40" tires.


Why not match the front and put a Dana44 in the rear?

:)

Originally posted by liveaxle



Why not match the front and put a Dana44 in the rear?

:)

Aren't the rears noticably narrower like 2" per side? I figured if that was true then it would look odd on a SWB jeep. I also like the toyota idea because if I get one from a 4cyl it might already have great gears for 35s and my 4.2L.

Originally posted by YJ4LIFE


Aren't the rears noticably narrower like 2" per side? I figured if that was true then it would look odd on a SWB jeep. I also like the toyota idea because if I get one from a 4cyl it might already have great gears for 35s and my 4.2L.


Front should be 61" wide and the rears are 59" wide.

TOYOTA for sure, no C Clips...

I think Waggy 44 front and 8" rear is a great setup, hell, that's what I'm doing :p but I already had the 8" to start out with. I am trying to convince my YJ buddies to run the same thing. Just need to find some more waggies in the yards around here...

I ran a 31 spline 8.8 in my YJ for 3 years. I Beat the piss out of that axle, out at JV on a regular basis, (with a 300hp V8, 38" and 130:1 ratio),...it was very reliable. Who cares about the fawkin C clip, the only time youll ever see it is when your removing your axle shafts for service.

Originally posted by DownunderBender
Who cares about the fawkin C clip, the only time youll ever see it is when your removing your axle shafts for service.

ME ME ME :D

Originally posted by FULLSIZE
dont try this subject in the jeep forum!:laughing: those guys love the 8.8!:nuke:

Explorer and F150 shafts are same dia, both 31 spline and use same bearings. You can respline the F150's if you want and the F150 brakes should bolt right up.

Originally posted by tiessen


Explorer and F150 shafts are same dia, both 31 spline and use same bearings. You can respline the F150's if you want and the F150 brakes should bolt right up.
awesome. How much would resplining be? The more I think abou the toyota axle the more I like it. Is it possible to put one of those with manual lockers on a Jeep or are all the fuctions only for Toyota trucks?

Originally posted by YJ4LIFE

awesome. How much would resplining be? The more I think abou the toyota axle the more I like it. Is it possible to put one of those with manual lockers on a Jeep or are all the fuctions only for Toyota trucks?

Yes, you could easily run a toyota electric locker. Many places sell them and they can be setup much cheaper than an ARB or OX in most cases. There is even a cable conversion kit of it if you don't like the electric idea...

Anyone ever redrill a Yota axle to 5 on 4.5 so it can be run on a heep. I am told it can be done

Originally posted by dozernad
Anyone ever redrill a Yota axle to 5 on 4.5 so it can be run on a heep. I am told it can be done

AHHHHHH, why would you want to make yota stuff more like a Heep? Seems like you'd be taking two steps forward, then one back. Go ahead, take two steps, you can do it ;)

haha yeah this is a low budget mod.

I think i am make something up. I mean whas the worse that can happen ... wait dont answer that.

Anyone do it?

Originally posted by Rubicrawler
I have no experience with the 8.8 but the Toy rear axle is pretty stout. Here are some features to consider:

*It has large bearings and 30 spline axles just like a std duty D60.

*86 up to the Taco's are 58" wide and have 11" brakes.

*V6 models have heavier duty reinforced thirds with larger carrier bearings.

*The housings hold up well to V6 power. V8's tend to warp the third mounting flange.

I hope this helps:)

I have no experience with Toyota axles but the 8.8" is pretty stout. Here are some features to consider:

* it is has large bearings(same as a big bearing 9") and 31 spline axles are standard on 1/2 ton and Explorer axles.

* 28 spline axles and carriers can easily be upgraded to 31 spline with factory parts

* '95-up Explorers are 58" wide and have 11" disc brakes with 3.25" tubes

* easily handles V6 power, came from the factory in V8 equipped vehicles

* can be equipped with 12" disc brakes using factory parts

I hope this helps. :)

Originally posted by dozernad
Anyone ever redrill a Yota axle to 5 on 4.5 so it can be run on a heep. I am told it can be done

2WD Toyota rear axles are 5 on 4 1/2. They are set up for spring under but I believe that the housings and width are the same. You could use one of these or mix and match parts with a 4WD axle.

I had been told that the 2wd was 5 on 4.5 but that the spine count was not 30 like a 4wd. If it is then i am set, but I am pretty sure i was told (on the internet so it must be true) that they are not interchangeable.

Can anyone verifiy that?

If not ill get off my ass look then ask agina ..

Dan

What kind of gear ratio's are available for the Toyota 8" If the ratio's aren't close enough what good will all this do you?

Toyota 8": 3.90, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88, 5.29, 5.71

Dana 44: 3.08, 3.31, 3.54, 3.73, 3.90, 4.11, 4.27, 4.56, 4.88, 5.13, 5.38, 5.89

info stolen from: http://www.randysringandpinion.com/

If they aren't close enough you can't run them on the street. I know plenty of people that run 5.38s in there front 44 and 5.29s in their rear 8.25" and they say it isn't noticable off road and it works fine.

Go with the Toy rear. You can buy 2 or 3 Toy rears for what they ask for a 8.8 around here. Those damn jeepers have drove the price through the roof. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by YJ4LIFE


Aren't the rears noticably narrower like 2" per side? I figured if that was true then it would look odd on a SWB jeep. I also like the toyota idea because if I get one from a 4cyl it might already have great gears for 35s and my 4.2L.

You'd want to swap in the V6 rear. Most V6's and 4's came with 4.10's. There was a 4.88 option available on 4runners. Also the V6 actually came with a higher (numerically) final drive ratio than the 4cyl, I've heard. The difference was made up in both the tranny and the tcase which stock, is slightly lower, but not upgradable. The Toy 8" is much stronger than a D44 rear. It is way overbuilt for a toyota. The D44 ring gear arguably may be stronger, but everything else is stronger on the toy axle.

Originally posted by HillBilly
Go with the Toy rear. You can buy 2 or 3 Toy rears for what they ask for a 8.8 around here. Those damn jeepers have drove the price through the roof. :flipoff2:

Tis' true. A buddy of mine just bought a complete 1981 8" FRONT with 4.10's complete hub to hub (Aisins! :p ) for $130 to put on his Zuk. Only thing wrong with it at all is it had a broken wheel stud :rolleyes:

so what years are the best to look for to match a waggy/FSJ D44 front? I started looking at www.car-parts.com and there are a ton of differen't ones. Is there anything special about the ABS ones or should I pay no attention to if it has ABS or not?

Originally posted by YJ4LIFE
so what years are the best to look for to match a waggy/FSJ D44 front? I started looking at www.car-parts.com and there are a ton of differen't ones. Is there anything special about the ABS ones or should I pay no attention to if it has ABS or not?

If I know my Heeps (which is a big if :p ), YJs have drivers side diffs. In that case, you will want a 1980 and up full size Wagoneer narrow track front Dana 44. I forget what year they stopped making the full sized Wagoneer, i think the last year might have been 89??? I know they made them in 89 because a buddy of mine has an 89. Anyhoo, that is all I got off the top of my head dude, hope that gives you a starting point. I have this same axle, hopefully it won't be too much longer until it is under my truck :D

Dude,
Why bother with either...eventually you'll just upgarde again to a 9" or a 60 so just do it now!