just curious if anybody else here is driving a superdudy as a DD.

how do you like it on a daily basis?

gas or oil burner?

did you lift yours?

what lift ?

what kind of milage?

year?

crew cab ?

come awn give me you opinions ?

Well I don't own one, but I drove Aceguy's '01 V10 4 door F250 4x4 (with leather seats :D ) to the hammers last week, and that is one sweet truck. Averaged 10MPG towing the jackyl loaded with gear @ 70-75 MPH.

what would you think of it as a DD?

Originally posted by camo
what would you think of it as a DD?

Well, it drives smooth as hell, has a 6 CD changer, and heated leather seats.... I suppose I could get by with it as a DD. :p

I'm looking into getting 250 or a 350 for a daily driver.
Deffinetly want to go diesel.

I don't drive one daily yet but I know for sure that they are hell on brakes and tires when used as a daily driver.
I have a few friends that use 460 powered 250 4wd extracabs as daily drivers.
they are construction workers and are driving alot.

My boss's whole family has one for each of them (that's 5 of them) and they swear by them, none of them are lifted. They are 2001 and 2002 and all diesels. they ride great and don't burn oil they average 15 to 20 mpg between the 5 of them they are all the extended cab ( the one that has the door that locks into the front door) These are thier daily drivers. Also my mom has a F250 4x4 diesel, no lift same cab as before rides great only down fall I find to them is parking in small parking lots but that could be the long bed part playing a factor.

Originally posted by Camo
gas or oil burner?

Originally posted by Red Chevy Girl
They are 2001 and 2002 and all diesels. they ride great and don't burn oil...

[44Runner giggles to himself quietly]

Drive the 1 ton and 3/4 ton back to back before you decide. I test drove them last year. The 1 ton (to quote my neighbour) rides like a lumber wagon. For a daily I'd pick the 3/4 ton.

Wow Paul, that wasnt the impression I got when I drove a crew cab F350 PSD before I bought my dodge. In fact, the reason I got the dodge was I liked the length of the ecab and the dodge seats were more comfy (IMHO). The rides were pretty much the same.. very carlike. Camo, I'd do one as a DD. I realize I have a dodge and not a ford.. but I dont mind the 1 ton as a DD. And for what its worth I'll never go back to gassers.

They ride Better than My Expedition!!!
F350 4wd Diesel 4 DOOR
is the way to GO!!!
Kinda want one for my wife

hehehe

I drove the F350 for Many Many miles and
I have to say I like the Way they Drive!! Very Comfy!


Adam,

I have a 2000 F250 PSD Extended Cab Short Bed 4x4 as a Daily Driver. Mine is even the 6 speed. I like it as a daily driver. Averages around 16 MPG in the city and 20 when crusing down the wighway. It's not to long for parking situations. I would say it ranks up there as my favorite DD I have ever owned.

PS: In about a month it is going up for sale. Got to get rid of some of my Debt.

My buddy got a 2000 PSD F350 EXT. Cab, Shortbox, with the stinkpump.

Nice truck, doesn't ride much worse than my K1500, good milage, and you can chip 'em for big HP and TQ gains.

Last winter I did some snow plowing for another friend. I was running a F250 extended short, PSD. Plow on front, sand and fuel tank in back, and a 8 series bobcat in the trailer inbetween jobs...it did just fine. I was in the fawking thing for about 10hours that night, also.

97 F350 Crewcab, Powerstroke, 4x4, Long bed
Driven daily by my wife used as a tow rig when needed.

Not hard to get used to at all as a DD, you learn how to drive it, and where to park it.. Not much different than learning how to dorve your trail rig with the new axle/motor/ what ever installed.

tow'ed the bronco and gear, 10,280 from Anchorage AK, to Leadville CO and back. as well as several other shorter trips... Will never go back to draging a trailer with less than a 1 ton

If your limited to a 3/4 ton VS 1/2 ton, go 3/4. But if you can step up to a 1T do it.

I have a 2000 F350 4x4, long bed, crew cab, diesel, six speed.

It is my daily driver. In Las Vegas. Parking is kind of a PITA. No lift yet. No Modifications to the engine either. Lifts are hard with a cabover. Although when the stock tires wear out I will be getting some 35's (most fit without any lift) I get ~16 in town and up to 18 on the hwy unladen. With a fully laden cabover and the cruiser on a all steel trailer behind I got 16 MPG from Vegas to the hammers... (auto will get worse mileage) I also only had to shift out of 6th gear twice at the top of two of the hills. Great power. Love it.

Would not trade it for anything...

I much prefer driving it to my Fiancee's 2001 Cellica...

Why not step up to an Excursion? :D:D:D


Just one tip - skip the supercab and go straight to crew cab - I wish I had :(

Well, I don't know if this counts, but my DD is an 85 F350 Crew Cab, 2WD, 6.9 Diesel. It's slower than turtles fucking, but I love driving it. Parking isn't a big deal once you get used to it. Having a crew cab sure is nice. It actually rides pretty well too based on the 97 foot wheelbase. :D

New superduty Diesels are much quieter that the older ones. the the diesel feels much more pwerful than the the v10 when driving. Work at a dealership, and get to drive alot of different ford vehicles. I am considering an 7.3L DIT diesel Excursion to replace my expedition. It is built on a super duty chassis. My wife is use to suburbans for a DD so I think it would work for me. Diesels hold their resale much better in the f-350.

Camo,
You have seen my F350 CC, 4x4, long bed, dually. It's my DD and I have no problems with it. It is chipped and has a few other motor mods. Parking is more of a challenge, but worth it. I wouldn't trade it for anything when I'm hauling with it. :beer:

have my eyes on a '01 350SD CC shortbed powerstroke - been borrowing a neighbors evey now and then and can definitly see it as a DD. The shortbed helps a lot with parking. I have been a passenger in several extended cabs and crew cabs - the crew cab is definitly worth any extra $$. The '99 and newer ones have a little more power, are quieter, and ride better - but get slightly less milage than the older ones. my neighbor gets an average ~20mpg combined city/highway and doesn't drop much when towing, usually ~19mpg going over colorado passes with his '00. Another firend has a '97 and gets ~22mpg combined city/highway , but ~17mpg towing....

Originally posted by zags
the the diesel feels much more pwerful than the the v10 when driving.

If you are talking empty road driving - you are on CRACK if you think the PSD is more powerful than the V10...

If you are talking about pulling 10k on a trailer - yeah, you called it right.

the V10 can smoke a PSD off the line any day, any time... Seat fo the pants power, passing power, etc. is all MUCH better with the V10.

Originally posted by DRM


If you are talking empty road driving - you are on CRACK if you think the PSD is more powerful than the V10...

If you are talking about pulling 10k on a trailer - yeah, you called it right.

the V10 can smoke a PSD off the line any day, any time... Seat fo the pants power, passing power, etc. is all MUCH better with the V10.

Can't get the HP out of a V10 like you can with a PSD, with minor mods.


Chip a PSD, and V10's are silly all of a sudden.

V10's can pull a lot, but they get 1/2 the milage of the PSD. IMO it is money well spent to get the PSD.

My old boss (that I'm going back to work for, hooray for me) has a 2000 PSD, crew cab, dually. When he isn't driving his Jeep or Vette or 57 Chevy or his son's Exploder, he is in his truck. That works out to being 300 days a year. He loves his. We put a gooseneck hitch in it, put air bags on the rear, and we haul huge fawking horse trailers to shows with it. 44 ft worth of horse trailer. 30 lbs in the air bags brings the rear right back up, and that truck will pull it all day. It is very comfortable. Long hours in the truck haved no effect on your back and their is plenty of room in the back seat for tall adults. His son is 6' 4" and is very comfortable back there. We haven't done anything to the exhaust, no chips, but we did install an exhaust brake that he hasn't even had to use yet.

Just about everyone sells some kind of lift or leveling kit. Performance parts are everywhere. Tire and wheel choices are getting broader...

Just think how much glitter you could haul in that thing!!!!



EDIT: Forgot to mention the few problems he has had. The a/c quit on him. Ford changed out a relay and he hasn't had a problem since. The soft hose leading into the turbo fell off a couple of times. It was a bad clamp from Ford. 20 minutes in the parking lot at the dealer had him going again. And he developed a squeak in the leaf springs from all of the damned sand around here. A couple of shots of this teflon/grafite chit quieted it right down.

His truck is also white on white, instead of having that seperate color that runs along the bottom. Get a down turned exhaust tip. I used to wash that truck once a week to keep the black chit off of the right rear fender.:(

see my sig. i dont worry about about parking as i park waaayy out. over 100k miles only problem is those damn front hub bearings!

Originally posted by Lame


Can't get the HP out of a V10 like you can with a PSD, with minor mods.


Chip a PSD, and V10's are silly all of a sudden.

V10's can pull a lot, but they get 1/2 the milage of the PSD. IMO it is money well spent to get the PSD.

Are we talking modded motors now, or stock ones? :rolleyes:

And don't toss out the blanket "PSD is better" comments - do a search, that is NOT always the case...

Originally posted by DRM


If you are talking empty road driving - you are on CRACK if you think the PSD is more powerful than the V10...

If you are talking about pulling 10k on a trailer - yeah, you called it right.

the V10 can smoke a PSD off the line any day, any time... Seat fo the pants power, passing power, etc. is all MUCH better with the V10.

Off the line..sure. Passing power....NO WAY! I would have to argue that one. Now throw a chip on the PSD and it isnt even close....BYE BYE:D

Originally posted by clc900


Off the line..sure. Passing power....NO WAY! I would have to argue that one. Now throw a chip on the PSD and it isnt even close....BYE BYE:D

Argue it all you want... you will still be wrong.

Unloaded and STOCK - the V10 blows the PSD out of the water on acceleration and take-off.

Have you even driven a V10?

hey camo baby, how the hell are ya?

you saw my daily driver f350. it's a little powerstroke 5spd 4x. it's been my dd since day one, no problem. doesn't burn much fuel or oil. 125k miles on it and i can get 18mpg pulling a 16' loaded gooseneck. it works for me. oh, and i don't live on any sissy streets, either. the road i drive everyday is slightly worse than hiway 41 between a-town and morro bay. seriously. a little more windy, and through a steep canyon. i do go through tires, but that's due to the roads i'm on. i ate more tires with the f250 (ifs front end :rolleyes:)

the only mods i've made are the 6cd changer and the g/n hitch. oh, i take that back. i guess i run slightly bigger tires. big deal, this ain't ju's bb

the only complaint i've ever had is when i go to refuel it. carry gloves in the door; your woman will appreciate it. i've never picked up a diesel nozzle that didn't have diesel all over it :rolleyes: ok, sometimes i'm a girly girl ;)

i know a lot of people who have f350's for dd's. i also drive a crew cab, set up just like mine and my friend drives a new dually crew, no problem.

do they still make gas trucks??? why????? diesel is the only way to fly...

Originally posted by DRM


Are we talking modded motors now, or stock ones? :rolleyes:

And don't toss out the blanket "PSD is better" comments - do a search, that is NOT always the case...

PSD's don't get better milage than the V10?

PSD's don't have a higher resale value?

PSD's do better in both cases.

IMO PSD's tow much better than a V10, also.

I don't know why off the line is so important:confused: or slightly better passing power, V10's and PSD's do both very well.

As for modded motors, if a person wants to do that, they will get more HP/$ with the PSD, to a certian point, where at both engines will become quite expensive to mod.

I also find that V10 owners aer very defensive about their engines:D ;)

:D

Yup, I have a 2000 f350 short wheel base, 4x4 dually crew cab lariat. and by far is the sweetest rig I've ever owned. The only drawback, if you can call it one is that it is a V-10 and not a diesel.

I've always been a chevy person, but after this veh. I may never go back. the ride is great, customer service is good, but for a dayly driver the thing is a bit challenged in the braking dept. Yup it has 4w disks and abs, but..the rotors heat up and warp on a regular basis around town, and if you hit some small choppy spots in the road when stopping the A.B.S. disengages, and the brakes become somewhat non exestant. Ford stats no problem found with this..Just makes you more aware when driving.

They are durable as hell too. Got rear ended by a full sized van while sitting at a stop light. 2000 fullsize van totaled, pushed into and skinned back both rear quarter panels decklid, and rear body panel shattering the rear glass ( too high, missed the bumper :D )
I drove mine home after the wrecker came and attached itself to the van so i could drive out of it without dragging it home with me..Mine needed a grille, 2 bumpers, tailgate, and a tail light..No shit..

Overall a great ride, just wish it was a diesel, the next one will be..

G'Luck !!

Originally posted by DRM



Unloaded and STOCK - the V10 blows the PSD out of the water on acceleration and take-off.

Have you even driven a V10?

Unloaded and stock? :confused: As soon as you start to actually USE your truck for pulling anything you will see the error of your ways. Most people didn't buy a truck to be the fastest off the line when empty. They would have bought a sportscar for that. :rolleyes: When hauling (what a truck is for) the V10 is as Lame put it "silly". I have hauled with both and I guarantee you with 5000lbs in your V10 trailer and 10000lbs in my PowerStroke trailer I would pass you before we hit the halfway point of the grapevine. No debate necessary, I've seen it first hand. Chipped V10 and Chipped Powerstroke.

just curious if anybody else here is driving a superdudy as a DD.
>>>Yes, up until a month ago I drove my F350 100 miles a day.

how do you like it on a daily basis?
>>>It performed great. Good ride (for F350), great power. Front tires and brakes wear out fast though.

gas or oil burner?
>>>Diesel, 6spd

did you lift yours?
>>>No, it's 4x2

what kind of milage?
>>>20 which can vary by 2 or 3 mpg either way

year?
>>>1999

crew cab ?
>>>no, standard cab, F350 dually

come awn give me you opinions ?
>>>Great truck and a good DD. But, I have since bought a 90 Toyota to drive to work.....20mpg vs. 30mpg, cheaper tires, and I'm not running up the mileage on my 99....plus the Toyota was cheap.

Originally posted by DRM


Argue it all you want... you will still be wrong.

Unloaded and STOCK - the V10 blows the PSD out of the water on acceleration and take-off.

Have you even driven a V10? uh oh. you've never driven a psd w/a chip or a banks system have you drm? the v10 is a powerhouse, no doubt about it. but the psd w/slight mods will beat it. sorry. especially if you've injected it with propane power. (go to montana if you wanna drive one, they're everywhere...)

all i can say is that my PSD with banks powerpack, propane, cranked up fuel pressure, straight piped, is so much fun to drive it shoulnt be legal. and man, can this thing lay down some smoke!

I've got a '99 PSD reg cab as my DD/shop truck/off road rig. Averages 17-20mpg with 100,000km on the clock. Have a 4" Procomp springs in the front and 5.5" blocks in the rear and 315/75R16's. The truck rides great, I did however remove the top overload springs and cut down the bottom leaf in the rear to get it to flex better. My only complaint is the tie rod that hangs down so far to clear the trac bar. On my first excursion I ripped off the steering stab.

JP

If it was a daily driver I have to agree with Mike, the Dodge is more comfortable and the Cummins gets killer gas milage. My summer job I get to drive a V-10 F-350 SD extended cab, towing a loaded down lawn service trailer and sometimes full above the sideboards with wet grass. The truck handles great in all conditions and has plenty of power. Gas milage is only a few MPG under a powerjoke... errr... I mean.. PowerStroke. This with the plow package and everything I don't think it is too stiff at all until you get into some of our insane washboard :eek: but those dirt roads sure are fun with the V-10 :rolleyes:

A SD wouldnt be my first choice unless I wanted gas, but I'm partial to Cummins.

Originally posted by mike
Wow Paul, that wasnt the impression I got when I drove a crew cab F350 PSD before I bought my dodge.

Maybe that was because I drove the one ton diesel crew cab and shut the key of and immediately (in under 5 minutes) drove the 3/4 ton diesel supercab, then 15 minutes later hopped in a 1 ton V10 supercab. :question: Anyway the new 1 tons are much more comfortable than the 1 tons of old.

I definately agree with David. Go Crew Cab, a Supercab is too small if you need to carry passengers.

Originally posted by DRM
Have you even driven a V10?

I have and at higher RPMs they are almost as loud as the diesel. Much quieter at low RPMs though.

i have(i mean my wife has)a f-250 crewcab powerstroke for a DD,and we love it.it gets about 16 to 18 mpg ans has all the power you will need.lots of cab room and comfy seats.but the diesel is an extra 5 grand and not cheap to maintian,but your loaded camo,so get one:D

Originally posted by DRM


Argue it all you want... you will still be wrong.

Unloaded and STOCK - the V10 blows the PSD out of the water on acceleration and take-off.

Have you even driven a V10?

I have driven both alot. the diesel blows the v-10 away. We will will drag race a couple and get back to ya:)

Ihave an 01 f350xcab 8'box lariat for my dd it is a lot more comfortable than my old 91 250.
As for the ride ?? I think it rides great. when my kids get bigger I will get the cew cab for sure.
I also have an 02 Excursion v10(family rig) which is very comfy
the excursion is a little softer ride.
My wife just picked up a 02 tubo S Beetle for her toy.
So I will be driving the excursion more now. So my f350 will be primarily for work.

MY 2000 Crewcab F350 PSD shortbed swr has been my DD since I drove it off the lot. I have had it for about 18months and 26000 miles. I like it more than anything I have ever owned.

Most of the miles are city. I average 14.5 mpg in town with the automatic. Highway is around 18 empty and 13 with #8000 lb trailer load.

I drove the F250 and F350 one right after the other when I was deciding which I wanted. I went with the 350 because the ride did not seem any different and a it had the higher gvwr. I find it very comfortable on my 46 mile round trip to work and back. Even for extended periods on bumpy roads it rides well.

I have left it stock except for a little larger tire, 305/75 r16. I plan to install a leveling kit and chip after I finish my cj project.

I love driving this thing! It has been trouble free and pulls my toys without a whimper. Big hills are no problem. In town people get out of your way. You have to walk a little farther after you park, but big deal. I need the excercise anyway.

Go for it! You won't be disappointed!

I don't own a ford but I do have a 95 chevy 1 ton dually as my d.d and love it. I would recomment that if you do a lot of towing to get a dually youll love it especially in the curves and on rear tire wear. Camo another thing toi consider is the weight rating of the tires if you buy a single wheel rear and lift it make sure to get load range E or better. You can easily exceed the weight on a single a run the possibility of a blowout.:D

I have a 02 F-550, PSD, 6spd, 4X4, Regular cab that I have been using for my DD for the last 8 months. No lift on it for obvious reasons, Gets approx 12-13L/100 km ( About 19 MPYankeeGallon)with a loaded weight in the neighborhood of 15,000#. It is liveable, you get used to the ride, which is actually pretty good now that it is loaded down. I work in a live refinery, so the reason that the 550 is the DD is that it has all of the saftey equipment required for entry. Parking is a no problem at work, but it is a PIA to go to Tim Hortons in the morning because it won't fit through the drive-thru.

All of you people that seem to think that you can get "reliably" 20mpg out of a powerstroke are smokin... Espically if they have the auto...

They just do not get that good a mileage. I did get one 99 F250 extended cab long bed to get 20mpg once on an unladen drive to Reno from Vegas. That was once. Of course my 78 FJ40 got 21mpg between tonopah and Hawthorne once too :rolleyes:

Someone show me real numbers. And I am talking 75mph on the freeway. Not 55mph on the freeway. :)

Originally posted by Jason M
All of you people that seem to think that you can get "reliably" 20mpg out of a powerstroke are smokin... Espically if they have the auto...

They just do not get that good a mileage. I did get one 99 F250 extended cab long bed to get 20mpg once on an unladen drive to Reno from Vegas. That was once. Of course my 78 FJ40 got 21mpg between tonopah and Hawthorne once too :rolleyes:

Someone show me real numbers. And I am talking 75mph on the freeway. Not 55mph on the freeway. :)

We had a guy that wanted to test pull a 20ft enclosed Haulmark trailer. I drew the short straw and had to go with him. It was hooked to a 2001 Excursion with the PowerStroke. Digital readout said 18 mpg for the whole 20 mile pull. Granted that was with an empty trailer, but that speaks volumes with the 30 mph headwind. Freeway (80mph) and city (35mph) pull by the way.

Ford gives money to Greenie's

ford sucks :mad3: :mad3:

Originally posted by Jason M
All of you people that seem to think that you can get "reliably" 20mpg out of a powerstroke are smokin... Espically if they have the auto...

They just do not get that good a mileage. I did get one 99 F250 extended cab long bed to get 20mpg once on an unladen drive to Reno from Vegas. That was once. Of course my 78 FJ40 got 21mpg between tonopah and Hawthorne once too :rolleyes:

Someone show me real numbers. And I am talking 75mph on the freeway. Not 55mph on the freeway. :) ok, real numbers. bought the truck in oregon got to test drive it on the way home. oregon fuel. 75 to 80 mph. serious. 22mpg. no lie. got to cali; on cali fuel, i still get 15-18mpg. of course it depends on how fast you're going! as well as tires, exhaust, mods, how tall it is and how tall your gears are in the rearend. i knew mine would be a dd, so i got higher gearing (3.73's). i have low range if i need it. ;)

if i keep it at 60 mph and spend time on the highway (roadtrippin') i can get killer mileage. especially in nevada. nevada, oregon, idaho, utah, etc. fuel is just better. even diesel...

and automatics? come awn, do people actually drive those?????? i thought we were talking about trucks here. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by NE-RokToy
Gas milage is only a few MPG under a powerjoke... errr... I mean.. PowerStroke.




BAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA!!! Now this shiat is getting good! Real Good! Come Awn! :flipoff2:

My (91) 250 requires a kidney belt to ride in it, but i have used my uncles 02 250, he has the oil burner 4 door one ohh man its nice, and do get the super cab or what ever they call it now, the 4 door one

GO FOR IT !

I drive a '01 F250 SRW/Crew Cab/Long Bed/7.3PSD/3.73/auto

Owned it since Sept. 01 have 16,500 on it so far no problems

16mpg around town
20 empty highway (gate down)
18 towing highway (75mph)

Mods: 10 disk changer, CB, tool box :-)

Mines not a barn stormer with the 3.73 gears, but it pulls hills NP.

Auto doesnt get less milage on highway, they have a nice lock-up converter, around town yes... milage a bit less

If you tow alot got with 4.10s wont hurt highway mpg much.

At over 22' long, parking take some getting used to. If thats an issue go with short bed, I love the 4 door....

-yag

Originally posted by Jason M
All of you people that seem to think that you can get "reliably" 20mpg out of a powerstroke are smokin... Espically if they have the auto...

They just do not get that good a mileage. I did get one 99 F250 extended cab long bed to get 20mpg once on an unladen drive to Reno from Vegas. :)


I guess even you smoked some good shit then. :flipoff2:

I dont drive one, but..

I have been in both the v10 and a PSD pulling the same load on the same hill The PSD kicked its ass every which way till wednesday.

The V10 does great unloaded and what not but theres nothing like the pull of an oil burner on a hill..

As far as performace on the street, I read a recent study done compairing the v10 and the 8.1 chevy to the PSD and the duramax.

The only time the gas burners beat the oil burners were 0 to 30

30 to 60 oil burner
60 to 100 oil burner (if you dont think an oil burner can do 100 your mistaken)

My next truck is going to be an oil burner.

Originally posted by clc900



I guess even you smoked some good shit then. :flipoff2:


Right. Learn to Read. I said Reliably. That means all or most of the time.

Everyone has good mileage times. The rule not the exception...

Originally posted by RokHeep


Unloaded and stock? :confused: As soon as you start to actually USE your truck for pulling anything you will see the error of your ways.

I think you diesel guys need to get the chips off your shoulders (pun intended).

Nobody's questioning the superiority of the diesel for towing. But, I've got to be honest, my father-in-law has one, and as much as he likes it, it is an absolute PIG for a DD. And this thread IS supposed to be about LIVING with an F350 as a DD.

Now, I've never driven a V10, but I DO have a Vortec 6000 in my 1-ton. And running empty, my truck will chew up & spit out dad's PSD w/o breaking a sweat. They're not even in the same league. Hit the throttle on my truck & you're gone. Floor it in his and, well, there's a lot of noise & commotion, but not much more MOTION. And from all the comparison tests I've seen, the V10 is every bit as quick empty as my 6.0. So, it only stands to reason that the V10 would be WORLDS easier to live with in a DD than would the PSD - BUT, it WILL use more fuel.

BTW, aside from my father-in-law's '97 reg-cab, I have NUMEROUS friends who drive PSD SD's (all of 'em crew-cabs) as DD vehicles. And at least 1/2 of them say they really DO NOT like dealing with the diesel day in & day out. It's noisey, smelly, & slow. They TOLERATE it because it provides better fuel mileage & because they all have heavy loads to tote on the weekends.

BTW, had a guy in a modded V10 on 35's flat run away from my car the other day running stoplight to stoplight. My car hits 60 in 8 seconds flat. And yes, I was trying. So much for V10's not responding to mods ;)

BTW, for whomever said they can put 35's on a SD w/o a lift. WRONG! BUT, you CAN put 315's on with just a leveling kit provided you keep the stock rims (or go to aftermarket ones with the same dimensions). Looks pretty good too IMO.

Sorry I couldn't offer more info on ride & drive.

TEX

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Originally posted by Jason M
All of you people that seem to think that you can get "reliably" 20mpg out of a powerstroke are smokin... Espically if they have the auto...

They just do not get that good a mileage. I did get one 99 F250 extended cab long bed to get 20mpg once on an unladen drive to Reno from Vegas. That was once. Of course my 78 FJ40 got 21mpg between tonopah and Hawthorne once too :rolleyes:

Someone show me real numbers. And I am talking 75mph on the freeway. Not 55mph on the freeway. :)

Let's see - 15000# truck, commercial plates, commercial license, you would have to be a big dum sumbitch to speed on the highway I drive to work on. One ticket could cost me an extra $5000 beween the fine and my insurance going up. My 19 MPYankeeGallon is at 80 KM/H. Would my truck continue to get my above quoted mileage at 75MPH - NO IT WOULD NOT. My previous 350, with over 500000 documented km's on it averaged about 17 MPYankeeGallon once you removed fuel used for ideling for extended periods, but was driven at higher speeds on the Highway, and did not have nearly the load on it. As for Tex's comments - I wouldn't be using mine as a DD unless it was required. On other jobs where you can leave your vehicle on site, I just flat tow my 4Runner behind and leave the big truck on site. At least I get paid mileage and travel time this way.
92xj - that is a 550 getting ran over at Syncrude in Ft. MacMurray Alberta. Worked there a few times, but it gets GD cold their in the winter.

Originally posted by TEX

BTW, for whomever said they can put 35's on a SD w/o a lift. WRONG! BUT, you CAN put 315's on with just a leveling kit provided you keep the stock rims (or go to aftermarket ones with the same dimensions). Looks pretty good too IMO.



TEX

315's are what I was actually referring to. Close to a 35" tire.

You do not need a leveling kit. A bit of grinding on the bumper fits perfectly and you would never know..
Yep stock rims..
:D

Originally posted by jasonmt


Let's see - 15000# truck, commercial plates, commercial license, you would have to be a big dum sumbitch to speed on the highway I drive to work on. One ticket could cost me an extra $5000 beween the fine and my insurance going up. My 19 MPYankeeGallon is at 80 KM/H. Would my truck continue to get my above quoted mileage at 75MPH - NO IT WOULD NOT. My previous 350, with over 500000 documented km's on it averaged about 17 MPYankeeGallon once you removed fuel used for ideling for extended periods, but was driven at higher speeds on the Highway, and did not have nearly the load on it. As for Tex's comments - I wouldn't be using mine as a DD unless it was required. On other jobs where you can leave your vehicle on site, I just flat tow my 4Runner behind and leave the big truck on site. At least I get paid mileage and travel time this way.
92xj - that is a 550 getting ran over at Syncrude in Ft. MacMurray Alberta. Worked there a few times, but it gets GD cold their in the winter.

Eh? The speed limit around here is 75 generally on the hwy...
That is my point. Going Highway speeds. Laden or unladen...
22 mpg is not the rule!!
it is an exception!!!
:flipoff2:

Let's see here...

1. Camo
2. Mrs. Camo
3. Rubicon
4. rock crawlin competitors


1+2+3+4= alot of towing.

My guess is he is thinkin about getting a rig he can reliably tow with in relative comfort, and still be able to drive it comfortably to work and back.

He asked about the F350, we are giving our opinions, which he asked for. Let's end the petty bickering and concentrate on what we have found from dealing with the Ford SD day in and day out.

Originally posted by Jason M



You do not need a leveling kit. A bit of grinding on the bumper fits perfectly and you would never know..


Okay, I'll buy that. W/O grinding though you would need the leveling kit. BTW, I do consider 315's to be "35's", just mentioned them specifically because two of the guys I know with crewcabs put 35X12.50/16.5's on their trucks & those had to be lifted. One has a 4" kit, the other a 6" kit - that one looks :rainbow: on 35's :barf: and the one on the 4" lift isn't much better. The ones on leveling kits & 315's look MUCH better.

TEX

Originally posted by TEX


Okay, I'll buy that. W/O grinding though you would need the leveling kit. BTW, I do consider 315's to be "35's", just mentioned them specifically because two of the guys I know with crewcabs put 35X12.50/16.5's on their trucks & those had to be lifted. One has a 4" kit, the other a 6" kit - that one looks :rainbow: on 35's :barf: and the one on the 4" lift isn't much better. The ones on leveling kits & 315's look MUCH better.

TEX

I agree, now to figure out what exact tire I want to go to...

Originally posted by Jason M


Eh? The speed limit around here is 75 generally on the hwy...
That is my point. Going Highway speeds. Laden or unladen...
22 mpg is not the rule!!
it is an exception!!!
:flipoff2:

For the last 8 Months since the new truck arrived, I have been working in "Refinery Row" in a industrial section of Edmonton so there is lot's of traffic, lot's of cops, and the speed limit is only 80 km/h. Normal speed limit is 110 km/h on the highway here ( about 70MPH) but I haven't had my 550 out on the highway yet. maybe I should of told you my MPG and just left it in Imperial Gallons?:eek: You would have seen a lot of 22MPG figures then. We have a few Yanks in the office and I still have fun pullin their chain. I.E. our spped limit signs often just say 110 with no units on them. I have been able to convince one of your more gullible countrymen that it was in MPH.:p

:usa:

I always love hering PSD people brag about mileage... I have seen VERY FEW actual states recordered as averages over time...

Do a search - I have posted before with the ACTUAL mileage averages (unloaded /best/worst/avg and loaded best/worst/avg) over a 3 or 4 month period that included 80= mph daily interstate driving, several 1000+ mile round trips, towing, etc...


Most of the time I just see PSD people talking about "22 mpg on this one trip". woo-hoo...

With my wife driving the V10 - she managed a couple of tanks getting over 15 mpg, unloaded average is 13.6 (not near as bad as some would have you think).

Nothing wrong with the PSD - I may get one some day if it ends up fitting my needs.

But whoever said a race to 100 mph the PSD would win out over the V10 (both STOCK) is NUTS.... and I would be willing to put money on that :D:D:D

Anyway - back on topic, I don't see any benefit of the F350 over the F250 though....

Originally posted by DRM


Anyway - back on topic, I don't see any benefit of the F350 over the F250 though....

I'd rather have the F350 for a cabover, better still the dually but that would be a drag as a DD.

TEX

Originally posted by DRM

But whoever said a race to 100 mph the PSD would win out over the V10 (both STOCK) is NUTS.... and I would be willing to put money on that :D:D:D

Anyway - back on topic, I don't see any benefit of the F350 over the F250 though....

Stock powerstroke will never hit 100mph. It is governed at 96
:flipoff2:

Okay, say you actually want to put something in the bed. Load it to the max. It is very easy to put a ton of hay into a 8' bed. and the F250 will haul it (350 does better, I have done both) If an accident occurs you will be at fault since you are overweight in the 250...

But the easiest answer is drive both. My 2000 crew cab F350 handles better and rides smoother than my mothers Extended cab 1999 F250.
Plus the Crew cab is a lot quieter than the extended cab...

Only thing thats worse with a dually as a DD is parking. Everything else is pretty much the same. and oh geee.... I walk 50ft farther into the store..

OK, I'm goin' to chime in :flipoff2:
My DD is a 97 F350 long box Crew Cab 4X4 Power Stroke Auto Trans...
I would have gone stick but the choice was Auto in a 4 door or stick in a extended cab..... (no choice) I'll rebuild the tranny some day.
My commute is 14-15 miles of mostly 2 lane 60-65 MPH
I have no lift, Mild not wild chip, 3.5" down pipe, no carbon trap, 4" exhaust with power flow muffler...
I have the Camper/tow package and 4:10 gears.
I'm kinda heavy on the go pedal...
I RELIABLY get 12-16 MPG Ussually 14.5 to 16.
Towing I get about 14 Hills, Wind, whatever at 70 MPH
I have 70 K on it and the brakes still look about new...
Tires only go about 30-40K. I don't run till bald :)


I LOVE MY TRUCK

My buddy with a 97 F 250 Extended STOCK otherwise the same as mine gets 16-20 MPG.

Cummins is a great engine...
Too bad they put it in a Dodge. :rasta:

Cory

thanks for all the replys. i guess i should have left out the miliage question since i could care less what it gets. i have a company gas card. :flipoff2: 200 ...221 what ever it takes. :D

A buddy of mine has a 99 F250 super cab 4X4 Power Stroke for a daily driver and loves it. I've driven it to SC and back to PA 3 times ( 1300 mi. ea ), 1 time pulling a toyota truck down and back and 1 time pulling an FJ 62 down. The thing pulles great, 70-80 mph the whole way!!! The only thing you have to get used to is the noise of the deisel . I pulled theFJ62 with my 2001 Dodge Quad cab 4X4 (318) and it did ok, but nothing like the PS. If you are going to pull your rig with it get the PS. We got 15 mpg in the mountains pulling the FJ62 on a car trailer ( at 70-80 ).

OK I am goint to chime in again. This thread reminds me of something I would read over at www.ford-diesel.com

As for 350 vs. 250 you will find that the payload capacity on a 250 is higher than a 350 but the pulling capacity on a 350 is huge compared to the 250. I have a 250 and to this day wished that I had gotten a 350. Right now I am going to sell my 00 250 and save up to put a nice down payment on a 350 in the fall.

As for MPG. I had a couple tanks of garnish a sweet 23mpg but I was averaging 60 mph on country roads up in the mountains. Most of the time I am averaging 80mph and the calculated mpg stays consistently at 18mpg but I do have a Yakima rack on the top of my truck. As for the computers mpg on these truck you can't trust them especially if you have a chip. My one friends computer said he was getting 28 mpg after he installed the chip but it calculated out to be 18mpg. The last big trip I made I drove 650 mile to colorado and averaged 95mph(I wanted to see the lady really bad) and averaged 15mpg witch is still decent. My truck is chiped and one cop clocked me at 125mph and I was till 300 rpm away from redline. Luckily the cop is my friend and he clocked me as a favor :flipoff2:

For all you people that want specifics. The truck has 3.73 gears. A 70 HP chip. A 4" exhaust with no CAT(2000 didn't have them unless you are in Cali) or Muffler. Hell it is a great truck and is doing what I expected it too. I just need something bigger so it must go bye bye.

OH DRM you should head over to the above mentioned site if you want to start arguing Gas VS. Diesel

Everybody knows Real trucks Don't have Spark Plugs :flipoff2: .

Originally posted by jasonmt
For the last 8 Months since the new truck arrived, I have been working in "Refinery Row" in a industrial section of Edmonton so there is lot's of traffic, lot's of cops, and the speed limit is only 80 km/h.

You've got that right. Those suckers are everywhere around there. My sister lives a couple blocks off Baseline in Sherwood Park, I think Baseline Road is the photo radar capital of the world. Where do you work and what do you do? A very good friend of mine was working for Petro Canada and his office was at the refinery but last week he was transfered to Grand Prairie. I also have a few friends that do inspection and x-ray.

If you are going to be doing a lot of daily driving go for the Dodge Diesel, better ride with the coils, better mileage.
The Cummins is really easy to get a lot of power out of too, if you get a 98 12 valve you could get 400 horse and 1050lbs of tourque for around 3000, and that includes a phat clutch for your five speed. A guy I know just finished a new Dodge with twin turbo's and a 98 12 valve pump, active ram air, 6 inch exhaust, etc. figures its going to dyno at around 700 horse :eek: :eek:

I sold some Michelin tires to guy in Oregon, he has a 2000 F350 PSD, 4 door short bed with a modified Fabtech 8" lift to get 10", 39" tires and a Banks. He has a 100K on this setup and loves it.

If you are going to put a lift in get a Ford, if your not go Dodge.

-Don

I do drive dodge 2500. I love it as a daily driver. Diesel is the only way to go. I'm posting because my truck is a solid axle like a F350, its a long bed extra cab. I wouldn't drive anything but a full size diesel truck I like every newer one I have been in passenger or driver. Big trucks just drive nice and serve more than one purpose dd and great tow vehicle with good milage I think an F350 would be a great dd if its a diesel.
P.S. I drive my truck 60 miles a day.
Its not a ford but diesel Soild axle trucks and all kick a$$

I have a '99 F-350 Crew Cab Dually 4x4 that I bought new in June of 99. It's a Lariat with the PSD. Just turned over 118K on the clicker and still running strong and problem free. Up until last December, the job I had required towing a 48' enclosed trailer around all over the country. Total GVW, truck, trailer and contents was usually around 26-27,000 lbs. Diffs are 4.10, 70 mph shows about 2300 on the rev meter. Towing the trailer, mileage would range from 8-10 depending on speed and headwind, empty mileage hovers around 17, with 21 being the best I've ever calculated. I maintain the truck religiously, it's an automatic so I've been real careful about keeping the tranny oil fresh and cool.

After all these miles, it's still tight, no rattles or thumps, rides and looks super. It is my DD and I love the truck.

Put brakes on at 80K, even though they still had service left in them, and am on third set of tires.

My opinion, it's real hard to beat any of the Super Duty series or the PSD whether for work or commuting.

Originally posted by camo
just curious if anybody else here is driving a superdudy as a DD.

how do you like it on a daily basis? I like it

gas or oil burner? No

did you lift yours? No

what lift ?

what kind of milage? 15-16

year? 2000 F350XLT supercab. I built the flatbed to put my Jeep on so the bed is pretty stout so the ride isn't bad at all.

crew cab ?

come awn give me you opinions ? http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/towrig1.jpg http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/towrig2.jpg http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/towrig3.jpg

Originally posted by Paul Gagnon


You've got that right. Those suckers are everywhere around there. My sister lives a couple blocks off Baseline in Sherwood Park, I think Baseline Road is the photo radar capital of the world. Where do you work and what do you do? A very good friend of mine was working for Petro Canada and his office was at the refinery but last week he was transfered to Grand Prairie. I also have a few friends that do inspection and x-ray.

Paul - working at the Shell Upgrader in Ft. Sask. right now. Don't know how to describe my job. I have my Journeyman welder ticket, including ABSA certification in 4 processes and have my level 3 inspector certs. Also a Journeyman Steam/Pipefitter, and working on my Engineering Degree. On this Job I started out as Underground QA/QC inspector/civil coordinator. After we were done the UG piping I became our units piping structural field engineer, and as of Monday I am the piping systems turnover coordinator. Basically I run around like the new guy in prison trying to make sure that the different departments get along and everything gets done on time. The truck is subcontracted to the company, and is a big tax shelter for me can you say equip depreciation.:D

I just got a 99 Ram 2500 Diesel 24V with the Banks Turbo and 4" exhaust and I'll drag race your little V10 any day.:D The thing to remember about diesel is that I'm getting myfirst $85 oil change next Monday.:eek:

Camo, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that my lifestyle as far as a DD is more like yours than most people posting. I drive to work, around town, and back home. On the weekends I tow, quite a bit actually, but never more than 6k pounds or so. I LOVE my truck for these purposes. It's fairly quiet, it rides smooth, tows my usual loads like a champ. It will accelerate quickly from 60 to 80 on the mountain grades up highway 50 while towing my rig easily. I pass slowpokes regularly. Around town, the V10 gets it! Plenty o' power. I too, have a company gas card. Mileage is not an issure, but even if it was, you probably won't keep it for more than five years. You'll never make the money for the psd back in that time, unless you are a driving fool. Parking is a little challenge. You learn to back into spots that your bed can overhang. Crew cab is a must for adult passengers, extra cab is fine for kids, but cramped for the big folks. Also, if you're like me, you don't like complication in your life. Diesels are loud and obnoxious, fuel isn't nearly as conveinent, and they fucking stink. They are NOT the kind of DD that I'm looking for. I test drove one, and I was sitting in a parking lot waiting for someone with the window open, and all I could think was " I could never tolerate this rattling stank for more than 30 seconds. I would always have my windows up, and radio loud." No thanks. Other thoughts: GET SEAT HEATERS! they rock! :D I think it's funny as hell that Lance found them. I forgot to tell him about them. You can't beat a toasty warm leather seat when it's cold out. Get a limited slip in the rear. Ok, I'm done. My truck is cool. :smokin:

Originally posted by Jason M



Right. Learn to Read. I said Reliably. That means all or most of the time.

Everyone has good mileage times. The rule not the exception...

Oh yeah I can drive. Sure can. Maybe you should learn how to drive. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by clc900


Oh yeah I can drive. Sure can. Maybe you should learn how to drive. :flipoff2:

I am happy you know how to drive. Most people do by their 15th Birthday. Learn to read ..... :rolleyes:

As far as mileage goes it really doesn't matter to Camo. Which is perfect. The main reason I ran the Diesel is for longevity and mileage. If you are plannig on trading it in within a couple of years and have a gas card then get the V10. I really does haul well (although IMHO the diesel hauls better stock) The V10 certinly will get you more looks.

Another thing you might want to consider is that if you run one of the higher HP chips in the Diesel you run the chance of loosing some of the tow capacity of the rig.
Hear me out...
When you pump the diesel up a lot a bunch more heat is created. espically when under load. That can (not absolute) burn the engine up.
The propane injection does not seem to have this problem..
Just something to consider...

:)

Anyone have the 1-800 number for Hooked on Phonics? I skipped the fourth grade and cant READ. But dammit all I can do some math and I can get 20mpg if I want to with my PSD. Thats all, man. :D

Originally posted by Jason M


315's are what I was actually referring to. Close to a 35" tire.

You do not need a leveling kit. A bit of grinding on the bumper fits perfectly and you would never know..
Yep stock rims..
:D it's a lot easier to just move your bumper out. ford sells a kit to do this for the mechanically challenged, otherwise, a little plate behind it, and you're good to go. ;)

well I just filled up the PSD and I got 16 mpg. thats letting it warm up every morning before work and every afternoon before i come home. All city driving. I drive a 00 F350 PSD extended cab, short box. At work I drive a 02 F250 V-10. I tried as hard as I could to get that thing over 12 mpg just couldnt do it. Lots of short trips. But I was pulling down 10's. They are FAST. Granted this was a reg cab with an Aluminum flat bed. I think that they are faster around town then my PSD. When I tow for the city I am driving a F-450 V-10, usually with a BOBCAT on a heavy trailer. It leaves so much to be desired. You step on it an it revs like crazy but just does not pull any harder. That sold me on the PSD, I just dont care about my 1 ton truck being snappy around town. I love it when ya keep the PSD in gear and watch the speedo fly up when you are on the highway. I dont think empty that I have ever had it down shift on the highway. I will be towing from MN down to montrose mext month (1 Jeep). I'll get some real world numbers down and back. Knorr will have two Jeeps and 4.10 gears so that I will have another PSD to compare to. To bad we dont have a V-10 to toss in the mix that would have been fun.