Tooling for a #9 Brown & sharpe taper?

[PTSchram]

I finally found a mill in my price range with some bells and whistles. Two issues that might be deal breakers, first off, it's only 1/2 horsepower and second, the spindle taper is #9 B-S.

I'm kinda worried that after all of my posts about folks whining about the costs of tooling, they might come back to bite me in the ass.

While I haven't looked very far, nor hard, none of my regular suppliers list anything for the #9 B-S taper.

I don't wanna spend near a grand for a machine that I'm stuck with a single end mill holder in 1/2".

Anybody got any experience with bastard tooling tapers?

Peace,
PT

[86turbodsl]

I was looking at a Wells-Index mill for a while that had a BS#9 taper. I found tooling on ebay, and also found out you can get the taper reground for more common tooling such as R8.

[PTSchram]

We might be looking at the same mill :flipoff2:

Thanx.
PT

[fj40guy]

PT -- I have a Index 555. Yep, the B&S 9 was reground by the previous owner to R8. Good old machine. :smokin:

Trying to remember the name of tool company to specialized in SURPLUS stuff. Paper catalog (nothing fancy) but had a ton of good deals on B&S tooling. It has been a few years since I spotted the catalog, now can not recall their name. :(

Tom :usa:

[jnutter]

I've got a Gorton with B&S 9 taper. I bought it back in december. I had no problem getting tooling for it. Here's what Ifound.

H&H Industrial Products has B&S 9 collets for $10.50 a piece, but they always seem to be out of stock on one size or another.
http://www.hhip.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=900-0009-70

Victor machinery also has B&S 9 collets, but a little more expensive. http://www.victornet.com/

I bought all my B&S 9 collets from H&H except one size that they were out of stock on, and I got that from Victor. They were the same brand.

Shell end mill arbors are still available for B&S9. JTS has the best selection by far http://www.jtsmach.com/jtswebshop/Workholding/WH212.asp . KBC and Travers also have some.

Most of the tooling suppliers sell the Criterion B&S 9 boring head shank, threaded for 1.5" x 18.

You can get B&S to Morse sleeves from grand Tool. http://www.grandtool.com/ This might help if you have a drill chuck with an MT shank or maybe a tapping attachement.

There's some spotty availability of end mill holders. KBC and JTS had some. Seems like they are going out of style though.

If you watch Ebay, B&S9 quick change collet holders for ZZ stykle collets are pretty comon. The ZZ style collets are easy to find too. I got the ZZ collet chuck with my mill and got a set fo collets for it becuase they were cheap. I don't use it often becuase it eats up a lot of the space between the spindle and the table. I like the regular B&S 9 collets better becuase they end pretty much flush with the bottom of the spindle.

There's always the R-8 re-grind option too. Talk on the Gorton mill mailing list is that wells Index will re-grind any B&S9 spindle to R-8 for a couple hundred bucks. They also said you have to send them the complete quill, becuase they grind the spindle while it's runnign int he quill to keep run out to a minimum. This makes shipping a bit more expensive. I don't know any of that for sure. It's just what people are saying I'd suggest calling Wells Index if you want to go this route.

[86turbodsl]

We might be looking at the same mill :flipoff2:

Thanx.
PT

Doubt it. The index I was looking at was an old mill used by
my company. It ended up being already owned by someone
that had retired and never removed it. Index mills were made
in Jackson MI, 15 miles from where I live now. There are quite a
few of those around here.

[fj40guy]

Alas, still haven't gotten power run to the shop.

Despite it's looks at the moments (stored outside for three
years. sigh) still is ready to return to service. Need a good
cleaning and fresh paint. :)

NOTE: Down feed quill (power Z) and power for X & Y
feeds (option). DRO was removed for dry storage.

Tom :usa:

[PTSchram]

It looks better than my 14 X 48 Clausing lathe which has been stored in a leaky garage for ten years!

How big is the drive motor on that machine? The one I'm looking at only has a 1/2 HP. Yours looks much larger.

[JeepinDoug]

Jnutter, nice find on those collets, :D

PTSchram, A half horse machine? Is it 110v? It would be a real shame to see a 3 phase machine that only puts out .5 hp.
Which bells and whistles? DRO and power feed?

If an auction goes well tomorrow I might be getting a Trax CNC bed mill for the shop, this means I need to move one BP to make room. That BP will be coming home.

[fj40guy]

How big is the drive motor on that machine? The one I'm looking at only has a 1/2 HP. Yours looks much larger.

2hp. 2 speed. 1740 & 860 rpm

Tom :usa:

[reddman]

got a buddy that bought a horizontal mill for use as a tubeing notcher that had this, ill ask him what he did.

[PTSchram]

Jnutter, nice find on those collets, :D

PTSchram, A half horse machine? Is it 110v? It would be a real shame to see a 3 phase machine that only puts out .5 hp.
Which bells and whistles? DRO and power feed?

If an auction goes well tomorrow I might be getting a Trax CNC bed mill for the shop, this means I need to move one BP to make room. That BP will be coming home.

220/440, 3 phase, but I have 600 amp htree phase in the shop :grin:

Power down feed, power table feed in one direction.

I don't need no stinkin' DRO :flipoff2:

Been looking for years. Finally have a place to put it, power to run it and the $ to buy it. A 1/2 HP will make chips, not big ones, nor fast, but it will make chips.

[fj40guy]

I don't need no stinkin' DRO :flipoff2:


One nice thing about the DRO... my machine has about 0.020" in back
lash. So I always go "past" then back up to remove that backlash. Still for milling out a pocket, it is sweet to be able to watch the DRO so I don't screw up!

One time the power flickered... and I didn't catch it was suddenly in CM. Opps. :flipoff2:

Tom :usa:

[PTSchram]

One nice thing about the DRO... my machine has about 0.020" in back
lash. So I always go "past" then back up to remove that backlash. Still for milling out a pocket, it is sweet to be able to watch the DRO so I don't screw up!

One time the power flickered... and I didn't catch it was suddenly in CM. Opps. :flipoff2:

Tom :usa:

Lemme qualify my statement. I have used an Anilam two axis in a production environment where setup, speed and repeatability were concerns.

In my current situation, it will be rare for me to make more than one of anything. Most will be research projects to satisfy my need to reinvent the wheel or toprototype ideas that likely will not work :flipoff2: As a result, the DRO isn't an absolute necessity at this point, maybe in the future, but not right now.

As for backlash, this machine is at a machinery reseller's shop and has been gone through and reworked to ensure I won't be calling them and complaining before the 30/365 warranty is up. It'll be fairly tight for an older used machine.

Peace,
PT