Reproduced TJ hood locks.. :)

[ehsankiani]

These are amazing..
What do you think?
Ehsan

[Ken Carter / BRUISER]

what did they make it out of???

[MC]

I knock off hood lock...what was wrong with the original?

[85GAJEEPCJ7]

They look good. Just like all of your other work.

[got 4wd]

like MC said, whats the point? was somthing wrong with the orig. replacements>?

[103"cj5]

i don't think he is able to get original replacements for cheap...

[got 4wd]

awww. figured there had to be a good reason, looks like alot of work.

[MC]

BS Mckraken...those are knockoffs and arent cool in my book. They are cast pieces...hard enough our mfg jobs get lost

[ehsankiani]

Originals are not available here. We use these for CJ to TJ conversions.
Ehsan

[joefear7]

BS Mckraken...those are knockoffs and arent cool in my book. They are cast pieces...hard enough our mfg jobs get lost

whats your problem? you dont even make sense.

[Monkeybutt]

BS Mckraken...those are knockoffs and arent cool in my book. They are cast pieces...hard enough our mfg jobs get lost

I applaud the ingenuity & craftsmanship- great work. I think what the guy is getting at, though, is that those are cast pieces. So, there is a cast and they coud probably be mass-produced and sold on e-bay much cheaper than OE latches, thus getting around pattent laws and (according to some)eventually hurting jobs. You see it all the time with text books, software, cast parts, and anything else that can be reproduced with limited resources and easily sold below retail price.
Let's not be too self-rightous, though. Everyone of us has stolen ideas from private industry while fabbing in our own garge. Of course, most of us do it becasue we are cheap bastards. These guys do it because they have to.

[MC]

Yes I applaud the ingenuity...however Jeep has distributors in almost every country in the world. I dont think a mold has to be made for a part you could probly get for nickles from someone here.....even though shipping would be $15,345,321.43

whats your problem? you dont even make sense.

Here is my problem...exact knockoffs of parts like this cost us jobs and hurt our economy. Their are laws against this its called a international patent and international trademarks. This item is a duplicate of something engineerd for a Jeep vehicle by Chrysler engineers and is now ripped off. Nobody makes a mold like that for one stinking piece. And a Mckraken is something that rocks the boar at sea..... As far as making sense ask any shop owner, engineer, tool rep or manufacturer how they feel about copy cats :confused:

In that mold I see thermal expansion pockets and smooth edges..........it is set up for mass production and a class 1 clam type pressure mold for injection.....NOT COOL!!!!!

Eshan your guys who work with the steel do a good job and they are artists. This isnt a personal attack dont take it like that.

[Pat98TJ]

I got all excited when I read "hood lock"....that's just a copy of a hood LATCH.

[TexasBlake]

Yes I applaud the ingenuity...however Jeep has distributors in almost every country in the world. I dont think a mold has to be made for a part you could probly get for nickles from someone here.....even though shipping would be $15,345,321.43



Here is my problem...exact knockoffs of parts like this cost us jobs and hurt our economy. Their are laws against this its called a international patent and international trademarks. This item is a duplicate of something engineerd for a Jeep vehicle by Chrysler engineers and is now ripped off. Nobody makes a mold like that for one stinking piece. And a Mckraken is something that rocks the boar at sea..... As far as making sense ask any shop owner, engineer, tool rep or manufacturer how they feel about copy cats :confused:

In that mold I see thermal expansion pockets and smooth edges..........it is set up for mass production and a class 1 clam type pressure mold for injection.....NOT COOL!!!!!

Eshan your guys who work with the steel do a good job and they are artists. This isnt a personal attack dont take it like that.

Your opinion might make sense if Eshan's guys were producing them in mass quantities to compete with the level of output Jeep produces. But having 5 reproduction hood clamps being made and sold in India isn't going to hurt the economy or DaimlerChrysler...

[gripguru]

[QUOTE=MC]...exact knockoffs of parts ...In that mold I see thermal expansion pockets and smooth edges..........it is set up for mass production and a class 1 clam type pressure mold for injection.....NOT COOL!!!!![QUOTE]


this contradicts itself - it is an exact duplicate - therefore it would show the molding tattoos from the original piece ----- are the originals cast???
Seems paranoid.
I personally have no problem with a person using existing parts to adapt the CJ-TJ-YJ whatever hood on their vehicle - this does not show a mass production mold. It shows an absolutely beautiful piece of work.

[Monkeybutt]

..... As far as making sense ask any shop owner, engineer, tool rep or manufacturer how they feel about copy cats :confused:

OK, I'll play:

One of the key ways a company sustains its competitve advantage is to differentiate its product or service from the competition. Another is to offer that product/ service at a price that offers the most percieved value to the customer. That being said, patent laws are in place to help a company re-coup the expense they incurred researching & developing their product. They incurred the risk, so they deserve the return. But, patents laws also have a finite life. Every time you buy a generic drug & save, be thankful for that.
It could be argued that our foreign friend is actually helping our economy. Even though he may be slipping by patent laws, he is (if actually mass producing the latches) also providing the customers with a better perceived value by offering essentially the same product at a lower price. Sure, this initially hurts the sales of our domestic suppliers. But, in the long run they are forced to re-evaluate their product offering and design new ways to differentiate the product, cut manufacturing costs, and provide a stronger value to the customer. In order to do that, they have to hire engineers, buy new plant equipment, hire people to run that equipment...and all of those people get paid- and that money pours right back into the economy. In the meatime, you and I are gettign a better hood latch at a cheaper price because some poor dude in the dessert decided to construct a mold and try his hand at E-bay, forcing a large corporation to get off there ass and be competitve. Damn, itsn't life grand when you let the market take care of itself?

[greentj]

BS Mckraken...those are knockoffs and arent cool in my book. They are cast pieces...hard enough our mfg jobs get lost

Know who you are talking about before knock someone down for reproducing something. :mad3:

Here are a couple pictures of this guy's project. Does this look like he is going to be mass producing stuff to flood the parts market and take US jobs. GET REAL.

Besides, those latches Jeep puts on the TJ are probably made in China anyway.

[greentj]

One more...

I think you owe the guy an apology :flipoff2:

[ehsankiani]

hmmm... Interesting.. I did not realize that I would start a adebate here with these pictures.. At the putset, I would like to say that this is not a part manufactured by my company or any of my machanics.. Its just a part I saw in the market that I thought would interest you ppl.
Mass production... Hmmmm.. Well.. It takes 4 months to rebuild a Jeep here by hand.. Hardly 5-7 Jeeps are made per month in the peak season.. Thats 14 latches max.. I dont think DiamlerChrystler would be too worried about this.. And I dont think they are going to be exported to the US as they are not of better quality then the OEM ones..
Thank you ppl for the support and the constructive arguments..
Ehsan

[BlueAngel]

Ehsan: This is awesome work, keep it up.

[lilgreenjeepyj]

Good work and I want to see some more pictures of the jeep.

[MC]

I have seen everything that Eshan has posted as far as pics and I am fully aware of the metal fab they do. I also recognize the the tooling it takes to make the part he has and the process as we are a machine shop. I do think I over-reacted as I dont really give a rip about Chrysler.


Thats all....

[joefear7]

out of curiousity how much does it cost to send something to Pakistan? do you send it UPS or would it be PPS?

[ehsankiani]

out of curiousity how much does it cost to send something to Pakistan? do you send it UPS or would it be PPS?
UPS .. Depends on the size and the weight.. Why?
Ehsan

[Doby45]

My question... What the hell happened to that Jeep in your pics? I mean I can tell it is some kinda fab job, but did you even make the fender flares out of rusty metal?

[greentj]

Here is my problem...exact knockoffs of parts like this cost us jobs and hurt our economy. Their are laws against this its called a international patent and international trademarks. This item is a duplicate of something engineerd for a Jeep vehicle by Chrysler engineers and is now ripped off. Nobody makes a mold like that for one stinking piece. And a Mckraken is something that rocks the boar at sea..... As far as making sense ask any shop owner, engineer, tool rep or manufacturer how they feel about copy cats :confused:

In that mold I see thermal expansion pockets and smooth edges..........it is set up for mass production and a class 1 clam type pressure mold for injection.....NOT COOL!!!!!


Dude, its a fawkin hood latch. Does that mean that Kentrol is copying Jeep's hood latches when they make an exact replica only in SS?

http://www.4wd.com/shop/productdetail.asp?c=2&model=tj&subcat=otherexterior&division=6&category=67&productsku=30489

[MC]

This is your third reply to my message...go find something to do...tune a carb...grease your shackles...

[ehsankiani]

My question... What the hell happened to that Jeep in your pics? I mean I can tell it is some kinda fab job, but did you even make the fender flares out of rusty metal?
It takes some moths to make the whole Jeep and by the end there is some surface rust as seen in the picture and that is sanded off before painting..
Ehsan

[jpcj]

pretty slick man! I haven't been here for the last year or so... but do you still your pic of the day, week, or month??? Always cool to see what your doing over there.

[TexasBlake]

I dont really give a rip about Chrysler.

Best quote in entire thread!