Tube bender mounting ?....in the yard with concrete

[Bansil]

I am buying a manual tube bender and need to mount it solid.
I know,I know, drill into the concrete floor and bolt it down.
Well problem is i have no floor........or roof :D .
I need to pour a small slab,with studs(bent at a 90* on the end) in the yard
so I can mount the bender when it's needed and unbolt it and take it inside
to store it.
I am planning on using "quick nuts" to hold it down in place,on studs and a plate sunk into concrete.
What size pad do I need?I was thinking maybe 3' x 3' x 6" but,if the ground isn't "concrete hard" It will just spin.
How much pressure(twisting) am i looking to overcome?
A friend sayed to mount it to a pc of 2"square and put it into my rec.
But,when I mentioned bending something with a long leg on it and it hitting my truck he said" :shaking: " anyways,any Ideas?.........

Thanks

[ironpig70]

how about dig a pit and sink a 55 gallon drum into it full of concrete, put a 2x2 steel pipe coming up from it with a plate welde to it with your bolts sticking up thur it and then pour your concrete around the plate.that fawker will never move :D

[Brad]

could always make a long mount out of you're receiver. Its been done and posted here. Ive got mine bolted to the concrete in the backyard but the whole backyard is concrete so Im not much help. Then again someone will chime in with just go hydro so thats even less help ;)

[bronco75]

If I didn't have a hyd. bender I would mount mine to the back of my 16' car trailer I figure it will be more than good enough for a anchor and leave plenty of work space

[300sniper]

i made an 18"x 18" concrete foundation for my bender 18" thick. about 4" is above grade. we have bent 2" x .125 wall dom with out any problems from the foundation. i used 5/8" anchor bolts.

edit: i had thought about using the reciver idea off of my truck but i figured there would be too much slop between the reciver and bender mount. i am sure that it could be shimmed up but there is still the fact that the truck will be in the way.

[dirtytoy]

I had a peice of railroad iron siting in my yard so I welded a piece of reciver stock to it and brace it up a bit. works great, I sunk it in the grounf so I wouldn't trip over it, but it dont move it is like 250lbs

[hotcowboy76]

Well since someone mentioned it I will chime in here with my reciever mount. It was really simple to make and I even put some wheels on it so its pretty easy to move. Works great.

Here is are some pics

[Rock Ape]

Have you bent anything but electrical conduit??I know I would rip that shit clean off(possible the bumper too).

[300sniper]

Have you bent anything but electrical conduit??I know I would rip that shit clean off(possible the bumper too).

i would have to agree with this. when i first mounted mine i used 2"x2"x.250 tube 3' long with a 8"x8"x3/4" base welded to it. that had a lot of flex just bending 1-5/8" .120 hrew. i think with the force needed to bend tubing, that set up would bend and also move around way to much to use conviently. with my set up now i am using a 3' length of 4" sch 40 pipe welded to an 8"x8"x3/4" base plate.

[hotcowboy76]

My setup would bend?? No it dosnt even flex. Its 2x2x.25 tubing pretty heavy stuff I have bent 1.5x.25 dom with it and it didnt even flinch!

[maddog]

WOW!!! And you build a cage with THAT???

[maddog]

I cannot believe... Only to tote it your buddies house that has a Volvo.

[throttleboy]

My setup would bend?? No it dosnt even flex. Its 2x2x.25 tubing pretty heavy stuff I have bent 1.5x.25 dom with it and it didnt even flinch!
you bent 1.5 .250 wall DOM with that :shaking: ?? i dont think you could bend 1.5 .120 wall HREW with out tearing that POS off the back of your truck!! theres a few threads around here where guys(with benders mounted right) have broken dies trying to bend 1.5 .250 DOM!! BTW those wheels look an awful lot like the ones on my barbecue :flipoff2: !!

[Rock Ape]

you bent 1.5 .250 wall DOM with that :shaking: ?? i dont think you could bend 1.5 .120 wall HREW with out tearing that POS off the back of your truck!! theres a few threads around here where guys(with benders mounted right) have broken dies trying to bend 1.5 .250 DOM!! BTW those wheels look an awful lot like the ones on my barbecue :flipoff2: !!
Now thats some funny shiat!!I think those wheels on your Bar-b-que are a little heavy duty for his application :laughing: If he bent .250 wall 1.5 on that set up I must have bent my whole buggy over my knee!! :rasta: Show some pics of you bending that .250 1.5 on that set-up.(I want to see you break a die)

[Junk Driver]

I say its time to say screw it, Pour a full out concrete patio. Thus you get your mounting points for your bender and for a bonus, a nice spot for the bbq's and bender parties!

[maddog]

BTW those wheels look an awful lot like the ones on my barbecue :flipoff2: !!

Better check your B-B-Q to see if you still have the wheels on it.

[throttleboy]

Better check your B-B-Q to see if you still have the wheels on it.
holly shit their gone :eek: !! i knew they looked like my B-B-Q wheels :D !!

[throttleboy]

Now thats some funny shiat!!I think those wheels on your Bar-b-que are a little heavy duty for his application :laughing: If he bent .250 wall 1.5 on that set up I must have bent my whole buggy over my knee!! :rasta: Show some pics of you bending that .250 1.5 on that set-up.(I want to see you break a die)
screw the broken die....i want to see him break the back window out of the camper shell and possibly some bones when that POS comes apart :flipoff2: !!

[Toploader]

I used some 1/2 inch concrete anchors. Nothing to stick up to trip over ect.
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/8071/imgp01574vm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Here is the stand/mount I made with stuff laying around the shop.

6 inch tube with a swivel cap on the bender mount. And some old u-bolts to hang the dies. Couple of casters to wheel it around easily.
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/7669/imgp01513zb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Here is the cap that can rotate in 4 different positions. Nice if a long piece of tube will get in the way of something. Locks in place with a 3/4 inch bolt.

http://img54.echo.cx/img54/9687/imgp01526gs.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Another shot of the "cap" with receiver tube incase one of my freinds needs to use it.
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/5199/imgp01543nx.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Underside of cap:
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/5281/imgp01552jd.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
Heres the top of the stand with the adjuster holes for rotating it around.
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/4867/imgp01564if.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Hope this helps give you some ideas...its really an easy mount to build and works great.

Mark

[GRMhick]

I did the reciever mount, and it works for me since I am inbetween garages so its at my buddys place, and I can move it where necessary.

But it wobbles around, so you have to level the bender, then level the tube, and make sure its all set. It really is a PITA and waistes alot of time.

[Bansil]

Thanks for the ideas,
it looks like I'll make a small concrete pad,just make it 3xdeeper than original.

There is a 3-4week delivery time on bender ,so I have time to dig a hole.

This weekend I put a 8' pc of 2x2 into my rec.......and the whole damn truck moves side to side with sidewall flex,so it looks like a small pad will work better.
Those anchor nuts are alot better than studs hanging out.
The wife say'd she'll cover it with a large planting pot,when not in use.

Thanks again.
Bansil

[hotcowboy76]

screw the broken die....i want to see him break the back window out of the camper shell and possibly some bones when that POS comes apart :flipoff2: !!

This pic was taken just to show the bender. I do my bending on the back of my flatbed so it clears a whole stick. I have only made a few degree bends in .25 material most of my bending is on 1.5" .120 wall tube. I dont have any problems with flex being the mount is .25 thick. And the wheels are light weight but they work and I am cheap so what I has them laying around! :rolleyes: :flipoff2: fawk off and post pics of your "master engineered" shit!

[throttleboy]

This pic was taken just to show the bender. I do my bending on the back of my flatbed so it clears a whole stick. I have only made a few degree bends in .25 material most of my bending is on 1.5" .120 wall tube. I dont have any problems with flex being the mount is .25 thick. And the wheels are light weight but they work and I am cheap so what I has them laying around! :rolleyes: :flipoff2: fawk off and post pics of your "master engineered" shit!
heres one......of my master engineered shit :flipoff2: !!

[throttleboy]

another :flipoff2: !! want more?? or was this enough engineering lessons for today??

[throttleboy]

heres one before all the master engineering was complete :flipoff2: !!

[Rock Ape]

heres one before all the master engineering was complete :flipoff2: !!
Uh-oh is that a hydro-bender??(Master engineered)Much better than AFRO-ENGINEERED.But wait mine looks just like that(see pic).It is now time to Bow Down (This means you hotcattoy76) :flipoff2: Wait, show us some of your projects you built with that hitch mounted bender.(I got a few more pics of???can you say TUBE BUGGY)I hope you were just building lawn furniture.(oh I mean MASTER ENGINEERED LAWN FURNITURE)And cattoy just go away(but dont go away angry) :mad:

[hotcowboy76]

Allright allright I give nice work on the hydro benders guys! :grinpimp: If you saw mine in person its really not all that bad and it works for the purpose I need it for (aside from the wheelbarrow wheels :flipoff2: ). Thinking about it though how is it much different than if I were to just weld it to a plate and anchor it to concrete?? There is the same amount of force on those welds?

[maddog]

Uh-oh is that a hydro-bender??

The good thing about hydro is you can have it on wheels. Little bitty 2" wheels like you got.

[RocKrawler]

OK.. guys with the hydro.. I am about to begin building one of those carts for my bender (JD2) so I dont have to drill into my new garage floor, and take it outside for longer pieces so it doesnt interfere with garage doors, walls, etc. Since I have been searching and reading for hours now, can we set "official" specs on what works?

Single or double acting cylinder & why?
I assume the single acting retract on their own when pressure is relieved?
Length of cylinder necessary & why?
Part number & name brand of cylinder if available?
Electric or air over hydraulic pump & why?
Part number & name brand of pump if available?
PSI & GPM of what you used & how did it work?

I think most people can handle hoses locally, but with everyone saying single vs double acting, air over is too slow compared to electric over is too fast... we need a set of part numbers everyone can order from to setup their own junk with...
I dont really care if I use air or electric unless there is a significant reason to use one over the other, its for home use and I'm more concerned with accuracy over speed, but if I can have both, fine. I just cant see the $950+ JD2 & Trick Tools is asking for the air over setup compared to what you guys are using for less if its effective.

[SBChero]

heres a good link for a hydro setup.

hydro bender (http://www.mindspring.com/~jayk5/bender/)

[CrustyJeep]

Here's some more theoretical discussion and a spreadsheet I whipped up using various equations found here in tool talk, that might help with parts selection...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385111

[Hardline43]

OK.. guys with the hydro.. I am about to begin building one of those carts for my bender (JD2) so I dont have to drill into my new garage floor, and take it outside for longer pieces so it doesnt interfere with garage doors, walls, etc. Since I have been searching and reading for hours now, can we set "official" specs on what works?

Single or double acting cylinder & why?
I assume the single acting retract on their own when pressure is relieved?
Length of cylinder necessary & why?
Part number & name brand of cylinder if available?
Electric or air over hydraulic pump & why?
Part number & name brand of pump if available?
PSI & GPM of what you used & how did it work?

I think most people can handle hoses locally, but with everyone saying single vs double acting, air over is too slow compared to electric over is too fast... we need a set of part numbers everyone can order from to setup their own junk with...
I dont really care if I use air or electric unless there is a significant reason to use one over the other, its for home use and I'm more concerned with accuracy over speed, but if I can have both, fine. I just cant see the $950+ JD2 & Trick Tools is asking for the air over setup compared to what you guys are using for less if its effective.
I have a JD2 III bender. I also have the degree wheel,along with the hydro kit. I used a Enerpac single action ram with an Enerpac Turbo air over pedal. Works well for me. Most I have bent with mine in its current configuration is 1.5 x 120 cromoly condition N tubing. JJ

[Jeepnford]

I talked to one of the guys at Trick Tools when I was buying my bender and he said JD2 discouraged the use of double action rams. He wasn't sure why though.

[rusted]

I used some 1/2 inch concrete anchors. Nothing to stick up to trip over ect.
Here is the stand/mount I made with stuff laying around the shop.

Mark

That is a really creative and solid-looking setup. Very cool.