my 2nd broken differental

[BlackDak98]

problem : in my 98 dodge dakota (dana 35 front, chry 9.25 rear), i was going up a hill (in first gear)and i noticed a rut. So i stop and checked out the rut, i then looked at the rut and found out where i should go, i then went SLOWLY into the rut at 2500rmps(because i couldnt go around it) and tried it. my 32inch all terrains and 4.56s just couldnt do it. now after a few attempts, i said im ganna bounce it...so i hit the rut at 2000-3000 rpms and bounced it and let my foot off gas . i didnt make it. Then, while this happens i hear my front diff go buh bye. I went out and checked my diff, and there was a hole about 1 inch big. I then had to winch my self to top of hill because i couldnt go back down the hill in reverse...and while winching my self is when i noticed my 4x4 wasnt a 4x4, the 2 back tires were the only tires spinning.

Now while driving back home, my truck is making the worst grinding noise ever. So i try to take off my front drive shaft but the drive shaft just keeps spinning and spinning around, it never allowed me to get a good grip on it to take it off.

what the hell is the problem here? this is the 2nd diff i broke in less then 3 months and the sad part is that both differentals broke because of ruts. whats going on here? am i pushing the truck too hard? is it just bad luck ? what could the issue possably be ?

[jpcj]

stupidity.

give away the truck, buy a ford fucus and go to the mall.

[lmagee]

stupidity.

give away the truck, buy a ford fucus and go to the mall.


glad to see you offering the guy such great tech :shaking:

The IFS on the dakota was never designed to hold up for offroad situations, doesn't sound like you are doing anything wrong to me, sounds like the normal shitty IFS setup

[Foolish]

glad to see you offering the guy such great tech :shaking:

The IFS on the dakota was never designed to hold up for offroad situations, doesn't sound like you are doing anything wrong to me, sounds like the normal shitty IFS setup
take your tech and shove it up your ass. :rolleyes: This guy is a fucktard and just about in the same category as you. :flipoff2:

[98TXRam360]

What in the fuck is the purpose of posting on two sites? You posted it on pavementsucks.com where you are going to stump 98% of the users and you post it here where you are going to get flamed...

I would be more apathetic of I wasnt so lethargic. :)

[LiftedAWDAstro]

so i hit the rut at 2000-3000 rpms and bounced it and let my foot off gas . i didnt make it.

what could the issue possably be ?

Hate to say it, but you stated what the problem is. DON'T bounce an IFS equipped rig unless you plan the swap diff's. To get the drive shaft off, put the truck in 4WD. This will hold the shaft unless the t-case is toast!

[lmagee]

take your tech and shove it up your ass. :rolleyes: This guy is a fucktard and just about in the same category as you. :flipoff2:


Ozzy blow me, go fuck your tire or something, go run and hide somewhere because you are scared your ass is gonna get beat, i know all your lame ass stories, just take your mall crawlin ass somewhere else,
this is a tech site, not lets talk shit because I think my dick is bigger than yours site

[Foolish]

Ozzy blow me, go fuck your tire or something, go run and hide somewhere because you are scared your ass is gonna get beat, i know all your lame ass stories, just take your mall crawlin ass somewhere else,
this is a tech site, not lets talk shit because I think my dick is bigger than yours site
Ur right this is a tech site, this isn't a matter of tech. The guy is an idiot as are you for not recognizing this. Go fuck your sister Lee. :flipoff:

BTW I think its great how you follow my life so closely, its indictive of how you live your life, alone and behind the computer...following the lives of others while your's wastes away. :shaking:

[Spawn_X]

stupidity.

give away the truck, buy a ford fucus and go to the mall.

that coming from a dumbass with no red star.



The IFS on the dakota was never designed to hold up for offroad situations, doesn't sound like you are doing anything wrong to me, sounds like the normal shitty IFS setup

hmm i had it though and was pretty decent with it. thats what we're trying to figure out - just bad luck or like a motor mount twisting the alum. housing or something. :confused:

What in the fuck is the purpose of posting on two sites? You posted it on pavementsucks.com where you are going to stump 98% of the users and you post it here where you are going to get flamed...

you're a dumbass. guys here had a lot more issues/experience/swaps with dakotas than PS.com. i told david (poster) to post here and not gen4x4, so its the appropriate place. anyone who flames him for the detailed, not newbi, and mapped out question can blow him And me.


Ur right this is a tech site, this isn't a matter of tech. The guy is an idiot as are you for not recognizing this.

STFU. how is he an idiot? he broke first one on a hill climb, swapped my diff in, and broke this one. its a legitimate question, and while he was in 4x4 when he broke it, he wasn't doing anything plain stupid, so i see absolutely No issue in asking why he broke his IFS twice with 32s. i pushed mine on 33s and never had an issue..

AWDAstro, i see what you're sayig. thanks. just figured we'd do some research before putting another housing in.. lee, thanks for your input too. i know its shitty but just figured 2 housings so close together is a bit odd - wasnt the shaft or anything..

i guess this is the point for him of SFA vs. another housing.

thanks to those who helped, and to the noobs trying to flame - go to JU or something.

thanks again, if any of the dakota guys have any input please throw it in!

[Hero]

If it was two housing in the same manner, Id be thinking that something is tweeked in there.

SFA time if you ask me. It only took one front diff to do mine. :)

[Foolish]

STFU. how is he an idiot? he broke first one on a hill climb, swapped my diff in, and broke this one. its a legitimate question, and while he was in 4x4 when he broke it, he wasn't doing anything plain stupid, so i see absolutely No issue in asking why he broke his IFS twice with 32s. i pushed mine on 33s and never had an issue..

He slammed his foot on the skinny pedal up a hill, lost traction, THEN got a lil bit of traction and KAPOOT! After all that stupidity he comes on here and asks why... :shaking: ...what's worse is you couple of fucktards trying to make this pathetic excuse of thread into a fucking novel. :smokin:

[Spawn_X]

2300rpm in first gear isnt exactly Flooring it dumbfawk. and don't be mad because i blocked u.. :flipoff2:

hero, thanks. what could be tweaked?? i had him check motor mounts and they look ok. he wants sfa but in the distant future..

[lmagee]

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BTW I think its great how you follow my life so closely, its indictive of how you live your life, alone and behind the computer...following the lives of others while your's wastes away. :shaking:

this coming from the guy who has been banned from PS more times than I can count but yet still tires everything he can to get back on because he has no fucking life :flipoff: Like I said, go back to the mall, because lord knows you don't wheel your shit and never will

[Foolish]

2300rpm in first gear isnt exactly Flooring it dumbfawk. and don't be mad because i blocked u.. :flipoff2:


When you try to "bounce" the truck up and over an obstacle that's fast enough to break something, ESPECIALLY A D35! ;)

[Foolish]

this coming from the guy who has been banned from PS more times than I can count but yet still tires everything he can to get back on because he has no fucking life :flipoff: Like I said, go back to the mall, because lord knows you don't wheel your shit and never will
You don't want to get in a pissing match with me lil boy, I had aspargus last nite :grinpimp:

[Hero]

*as I rack my brain trying to remember how all that crap is set up*
You said yall swapped in your old center section? How abused was it to begin with? I know I broke my easing off of a crushed car. Also, any kind of suspension lift, or stock?
Another question, how twisted up was the truck when it went? The front ifs D35 DOES NOT like anykind of twisting flex. And now that I think about it, thats what did him in both times, I think. Both times in a rut, frame is twisted, power to the front (even at 3k rpm) the aluminum housing blows its guts.

[Spawn_X]

hmm frame twist, haven't thought about that. i'll ask..

my center section was used but not abused (soft driving style), im sure it didnt just crack by itself.

i think the twisting/flexing u're talking about might have done it. ill chat with him later on, maybe he'll try another housing and if that breaks then axle time it is. p.s. no suspension lift. we just put a body lift on couple weeks ago.

cool, thanks for helping clear this up. thanks to all. :D

[Hero]

How much are you looking to replace the center section, as apposed to going sas? Back when I did mine, we coulnt find a used center, so SAS we did.

[Spawn_X]

well he got my old section real cheap.. not sure if we can find another one that cheap - prolly not.

even from a junkyard front would cost like 600 bucks. SAS will be way more.. but hopefully we can find one under 200 bucks.

[BlackDak98]

How much are you looking to replace the center section, as apposed to going sas? Back when I did mine, we coulnt find a used center, so SAS we did.

i found a guy on PS.com who is going to sell me his diff. for 210 shipped.

[BlackDak98]

thanks for the imput guys

[Mr. Mindless]

32s shouldn't be shattering diffs. I never broke mine wheeling relatively tough stuff on 32s but I never got bouncing at all when twisted. I'm thinking that it's got to be a bit of flex plus the low gears (I ran the stock 3.55s - and boy did that suck) but with the front half of the frame being fully boxed I'd be surprised if there was much flex in those diff mounts.

Maybe try boxing the mounts up to help limit twisting of the housing? Don't know how that might work but I'm thinking of a framework like the lift kits use to drop the center, except around the housing involving all it's mounts and tying them together.

I'd have another cheap center section for you, but I just got rid of it and my front driveshaft to another Dakota owner a month or so ago - he was doing the "usual" spinning with no traction and caught one tire to spit the pinion out.

oh, one more thing: Foolish - fuck off and die, twat.

[Spawn_X]

mike thanks for ur input dude.

[krweby]

I never broke mine and I was running 33's. But like Mindless said it might be a combination of the low gears and twist. I was also running 3.55's.

[jesterarch]

BTW, a broken motor mount is not always easy to see.. I drove for awhile with mine broke and didn't even know it till I did the SAS... It takes 2 people for sure to check it...

[cheaprides]

ok the whole thing about not being able to drop a driveshaft blows my mind

4x4 in park (or just sitting still) is the most obvious thing when taking a front driveshaft out

how long did your new center last you, ever check the gear ratio? yeah that will do it too

i really hate flamers that dont really help i mean unless its funny keep it to yourself. try backing it up with something like a chart picture or something that you can say "here i told you so your a dumb basterd". That makes everyone happy because we learned something and some guy looks like an ass.

[bigmopar4x4]

Any chance you might have just hit the aluminum housing on something while going over the rut?? do you have the factory skid plate in front?? I know they aren't the greatest so maybe part of the rut hit the housing. You never said where the crack was.

I've wheeled my '98 fairly extensively on some not-so-easy trails with lots of flex (well, a lot for an IFS Dak) with 5" lift,3.92's, 33's, a 5 spd and even the blower and the D35 has actually given me no problems.

[BlackDak98]

ok the whole thing about not being able to drop a driveshaft blows my mind

4x4 in park (or just sitting still) is the most obvious thing when taking a front driveshaft out

how long did your new center last you, ever check the gear ratio? yeah that will do it too

i really hate flamers that dont really help i mean unless its funny keep it to yourself. try backing it up with something like a chart picture or something that you can say "here i told you so your a dumb basterd". That makes everyone happy because we learned something and some guy looks like an ass.

i can just spin the front drive shaft around and around and around, it doesnt stop for some reason. The new center lasted me, i think a good 2 months and im 100% sure its the same ratio. thanks man.

[BlackDak98]

Any chance you might have just hit the aluminum housing on something while going over the rut?? do you have the factory skid plate in front?? I know they aren't the greatest so maybe part of the rut hit the housing. You never said where the crack was.

I've wheeled my '98 fairly extensively on some not-so-easy trails with lots of flex (well, a lot for an IFS Dak) with 5" lift,3.92's, 33's, a 5 spd and even the blower and the D35 has actually given me no problems.

yeah man, im 100% sure i didnt hit the differental. I do have a skidplate on that is beefy enough to stop most stuff. And about the crack, where it is, i will take apic of it and post it ASAP.

Yeah, when i did have my truck working, i did some pretty fun stuff with 32s with 4.56s, but daks just have shitty ground clearence. Check your PMs

[Mr. Mindless]

i can just spin the front drive shaft around and around and around.

sounds like your transfer case probably bit it too, then.

broke the chain? spun the splines? be sure to check the shift linkage too - sometimes it's the easy stuff...

[Hero]

sounds like your transfer case probably bit it too, then.

broke the chain? spun the splines? be sure to check the shift linkage too - sometimes it's the easy stuff...

Well, if he still has the tcase in 2wd or Netural, with a busted front, it might just spinn like that. Has he mentioned trying it with the tcase in 4wd and I just missed it? If he has tried in 4wd and it freespins, then there is a problem.

[Mr. Mindless]

I was just hoping that part was obvious. I figure I can take off the tech support/stupid user teacher hat when I'm here :flipoff2:

hows that 231 of yours holding up between the 4500 and the 2.5s? ever get that 4 wheel steer done? (I didn't pay any attention around here for a couple months)

[BlackDak98]

awesome guys, thanks for the replys. Me being the ignorant person on 4x4s forgot to engage the front drive shift, which is exactly why is was just spinning around. Here is a pic of my differental btw, http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/lllmoparlll/P1010034.jpg

[BlackDak98]

ALSO, now i have another question for you guys. Check out these two photos,

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/lllmoparlll/P1010035.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/lllmoparlll/P1010036.jpg


i obviously have a leak somewhere. If you look at the first pic, you can see the oil mark on the ground dripping from the frame. I have been told that this leak might be caused due to a bad gasket between the tranny and the transfor case.

[Mr. Mindless]

not sure what to say about that crack placement in the chunk. that seems a strange place for stress cracking but it doesn't look like impact damage either so I'm confused.

as far as the drip goes that should either be the output seal on your transmission or the input seal on your transfer case. there is a gap at the bottom of the mating surface of the transfer case so even if there is a gasket there it would not be intended to seal the two. My truck leaks there and I'm pretty sure it's the transmission since that was a quart low last time I checked it and the tcase never has been.

[Elwenil]

The diff looks like the spider gear shaft spit out and busted the case from the inside. Pretty common for the lock pin to shear off and spit out the pinion pin.

[Hero]

I was just hoping that part was obvious. I figure I can take off the tech support/stupid user teacher hat when I'm here :flipoff2:

hows that 231 of yours holding up between the 4500 and the 2.5s? ever get that 4 wheel steer done? (I didn't pay any attention around here for a couple months)

Its actually holding up pretty good. IE hasnt blown its guts yet. And I just have the 3550 not a 4500 like I wants. Still want to go with a twinsticked 203/05 doubler. Four wheel steering is done and has been trail ridden. Burned out the stock pump tho. Getting one from Station. Beedlocks on the way too. :)

And I hear ya on the tech support/stupid user teacher bit. Its hard for me to take that hat off sometimes. It gets in your brain I tell ya. But it looks like I was right! :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
awesome guys, thanks for the replys. Me being the ignorant person on 4x4s forgot to engage the front drive shift, which is exactly why is was just spinning around. Oh, and No worries BlackDak98. Cool truck by the way. :)

[Hero]

Just looked at the pics. And that is exactly the way mine went, cept the chunks were bigger!

[BlackDak98]

do you think my gears in the front differental are DONE ?

[Hero]

do you think my gears in the front differental are DONE ?
Donno about the gears. Gonna have to pull em and see. Depends on how much grinding you did on em when you were driving with that fawked case.