I am curious if anyone can provide any information on the Iveco 8140 TDI engine. I have done a google and found out plenty of specs and stats but I can't seem to find anything in relation to Rovers. Someone I know has four engines for sale. One is complete and the other three are missing starters, alternators, etc...and he is willing to give a great deal to take them off his hands. I thought I heard or read somewhere that a few guys in the Transylvania Challenge used these but I am not certain.

If anyone out there has any first hand experience, hell even second or third hand I would greatly appreciate the info.

Thanks,

Jason

I don't know anything about them, but I am a Transylvania University graduate. Suppose I can compete in the Transylvania Challenge?

(there was nothing in this thread to fawk with you over-damn!)

Peace,
PT

Well, I had written the post over and over in MS Word and even sent it into LROU for proofing... Sorry :)

I am curious if anyone can provide any information on the Iveco 8140 TDI engine.

Supposedly Iveco diesels were used by Chrysler prior to the Cummins.
It used a 727 auto tranny.
Its very week....very...but thats about the only 'rover' link I know of :D

So beyond specs what is it you want to know? Ok Third hand.

They came in many states of tune. Oldest were indirect I believe, very early. All the TDs are DI, Im almost positive, and noisier. Are these the newer 2.8 CRD design, or the older 2.5? I know the older 2.5 (TD and NA) fit w/o issue in Series trucks (RH or LH drive) so they are compact, more so than the Rover TDI. Assuming 2.8 is merely a stroked CRD version I would assume they are very similar in size. Which one you looking at? Or are they mixed?

Like most truck diesels, they spool up slow. Supposedly decent reliabilty (But Euros seems to have a surprising tolerence for difficulties). Its not an uncommon swap in Europe, so Im sure if you post on a Euro board someone will know.

Parts availibility in the US? Not good Im afraid. Im unaware of any stationary apps for them, maybe marine sources? I know the Cursors were available for marine use.

Luck
Alac

8140 TDI, I do not know, but for a Rover link: Santanna is producing its latest model - the successor to the Hanibal (renamed for obvious reasons) using a 2.8L Iveco turbo diesel mated I bleive to the venerable LT85. Are these two engines the same? No idea.

Speaking of IVECO. I saw a very nice IVECO expedition equiped truck on the I-5 in Los Angeles a few months ago. 4x4 with a well proportioned camper body on the back. I have since been looking for a IVECO 4x4 but have had no luck in tracking one down in the states. Anyone know if this would have been a 4x4 retrofit or was it a factory option. Looked like a great platform to build a nice rig on.

Sorry for the hijack Red Rhino :D

The gentleman who has them currently has one complete unit with under 15k miles mated to a ZF auto box and mentioned that it will "almost" drop right into a Series/Defender. As I said above he has three other units that are missing some bits but are all in working order aside from the missing parts.

He is willing to sell the lot of them [2.5TDI version] to me for 4,000CAD and I can pick them up when I go get the bits for the Hybrid quite easily. Granted that's a good price and convenient but I don't know how they compare to the 300TDI, 4B or TGV. I guess I need to post on some other boards across the pond and see what everyone else has to say about it.

As for spooling up slow would it be possible to port or clip the impeller wheel to help efficency? I am not too familar with TDI's but I turbo charged my old BMW M3 utilizing a 18G impeller wheel with a 3 degree clip stuffed inside a 16G housing. Once the work was done the spooling issues were almost non exisitant as compared to the stock 16g wheel w/o a clip inside the 16g housing. Again, I don't know if the same principles apply to TDI's as petrol turbos but couldn't you install a boost management system with an external waste gate, a nice upgraded blow-off valve and a liquid fmic to keep things nice and cold and crank it up a few pounds above stock? I know you need to worry about detination but with a good liquid fmic system I would think you could easily squeeze a few more psi out of it.

Aloha, you seem to have a good bit of experience with TDI's any comments?

The parts problem would be the other thing that would really scare me, that's a good point Alac.

The gentleman who has them currently has one complete unit with under 15k miles mated to a ZF auto box and mentioned that it will "almost" drop right into a Series/Defender. As I said above he has three other units that are missing some bits but are all in working order aside from the missing parts.

He is willing to sell the lot of them [2.5TDI version] to me for 4,000CAD and I can pick them up when I go get the bits for the Hybrid quite easily. Granted that's a good price and convenient but I don't know how they compare to the 300TDI, 4B or TGV. I guess I need to post on some other boards across the pond and see what everyone else has to say about it.

As for spooling up slow would it be possible to port or clip the impeller wheel to help efficency? I am not too familar with TDI's but I turbo charged my old BMW M3 utilizing a 18G impeller wheel with a 3 degree clip stuffed inside a 16G housing. Once the work was done the spooling issues were almost non exisitant as compared to the stock 16g wheel w/o a clip inside the 16g housing. Again, I don't know if the same principles apply to TDI's as petrol turbos but couldn't you install a boost management system with an external waste gate, a nice upgraded blow-off valve and a liquid fmic to keep things nice and cold and crank it up a few pounds above stock? I know you need to worry about detination but with a good liquid fmic system I would think you could easily squeeze a few more psi out of it.

Aloha, you seem to have a good bit of experience with TDI's any comments?

The parts problem would be the other thing that would really scare me, that's a good point Alac.

Clipping the vanes on a turbo is done to get more exhaust through the turbine and less through the wastegate. It's not going to help it spool up faster, in fact it's going to make it spool up slower as more exhaust escapes around the turbine wheel, lowering efficiency but reducing back pressure at high engine speeds (which diesels don't like).

Good luck plumbing a blowoff valve into a diesel. It'll take you a while to find a throttle plate to plumb the lines around. :shaking:

Martin at National 4$4 has been trying to sell those engines for years. Someone in UK used to install these in rovers but for the most part the conversion was not very sucessfull. Why hasn't Martin installed these in something himself? That is the question you should ask yourself.

JP

First page I pull up indicates a solution for the spool up issue.

"..while the 146bhp version adds variable geometry turbocharging technology as employed in the heavy duty Iveco Cursor engines. This system allows a very rapid build-up of torque from low revs and maintains a consistent output through the engine's rev range."

Is it an issue that devalues the engine? Well, it was at least an issue which required Iveco to engineer a solution. As Dougal points out, I wouldnt plan on doing much to these engines, except perhaps IC - and I cant recommend that for certain. Older engines may see a benefit from Propane inj, but Im not a fan.

I think the firm you refer to was either Matt Savage or Frog Island - not entirely sure, perhaps neither.

Pendy - Any idea why it wasnt successful? Issues with the engine itself - reliability or performance? Something with the install - from what little Ive seen that didnt look bad. Or economics? - maybe -Prima swaps are easy and cheap.

Luck
Alac

Fitment problems off the top of my head. The firms you mentioned were not the ones I recall. I'll check my notes. At the right price this engine could be worth the effort, but personally I seek more power then these older units offer.

JP

First page I pull up indicates a solution for the spool up issue.

"..while the 146bhp version adds variable geometry turbocharging technology as employed in the heavy duty Iveco Cursor engines. This system allows a very rapid build-up of torque from low revs and maintains a consistent output through the engine's rev range."

Is it an issue that devalues the engine? Well, it was at least an issue which required Iveco to engineer a solution. As Dougal points out, I wouldnt plan on doing much to these engines, except perhaps IC - and I cant recommend that for certain. Older engines may see a benefit from Propane inj, but Im not a fan.

I think the firm you refer to was either Matt Savage or Frog Island - not entirely sure, perhaps neither.

Pendy - Any idea why it wasnt successful? Issues with the engine itself - reliability or performance? Something with the install - from what little Ive seen that didnt look bad. Or economics? - maybe -Prima swaps are easy and cheap.

Luck
Alac

Martin at National 4$4 has been trying to sell those engines for years. JP

and the fact they have been outside in the weather for the last 3 years or so uncovered would tell ME to stear clear of these....Martyn tried to sell me these engine's 3 years ago but would not offer any kind of info on the condition or where i could find spare parts so i passed on these.....best of luck if you deside to buy them though.......

First page I pull up indicates a solution for the spool up issue.

"..while the 146bhp version adds variable geometry turbocharging technology as employed in the heavy duty Iveco Cursor engines. This system allows a very rapid build-up of torque from low revs and maintains a consistent output through the engine's rev range."

Is it an issue that devalues the engine? Well, it was at least an issue which required Iveco to engineer a solution. As Dougal points out, I wouldnt plan on doing much to these engines, except perhaps IC - and I cant recommend that for certain. Older engines may see a benefit from Propane inj, but Im not a fan.

I think the firm you refer to was either Matt Savage or Frog Island - not entirely sure, perhaps neither.

Pendy - Any idea why it wasnt successful? Issues with the engine itself - reliability or performance? Something with the install - from what little Ive seen that didnt look bad. Or economics? - maybe -Prima swaps are easy and cheap.

Luck
Alac


Alloy head too. Scary.