Scout questions

[Beau M]

Yes, Im a newb, rookie, whatever you want to call it. I accept my lowly place before the scout gods and ask for some information. My friend just bought his first wheelin rig, a 1970 Scout. I dont know a whole lot about this thing, either does he. It has the V8, automatic and drum brakes all around. It runs amazingly well and drives great. As far as we can tell it all stock running gear. So... what is the stock running gear? as far as axles and stuff. And about those front drums.... I looked at the Binder Bulletin and saw the write up of using wagoneer mounting plates and scout disks and whatnot, but then it says there are modifications that must be done and if you do them yourself that some guys children will starve. http://www.binderbulletin.org/forums/faq.php?faq=ihc_faq_1.0#faq_ihcfaq_1.1

So.. anyone know what these modificatrions are? This is the #1 thing that we want to change on this thing, it stops like an aircraft carrier. Thanks guys.

[Urban Wheeler]

Put on your flame suit...


Well, you did the first right thing by looking through the BB, but then you still want to know what your Scout has?? If you keep looking you'll find what you need to know.



The above parts list and description are provided as a courtesy by John Comer of Gryphin Automotive Services. If you get these parts together and take them to another automotive shop for installation, John cannot provide you (or them) with installation and modification procedures. These conversions are his livelihood; they are how he makes his living and feeds his children.


If you change something to make it different you (say it with me) mod-i-fy it. So, logically, if you change from drum to disk, you "modify" the axle. That is the "mod-i-fi-ca-tion" that they are referring to.

[FordCarnage]

304 or 345, 727, D20, D30F, D44R, and probably 3.73 gears. I may very well be wrong and get flamed though.

[Beau M]

Correct about the modification part, but the FAQ makes it sound like there is more involved than just bolting on these parts. So, I guess we will just round up the supplies and slap em on. Thanks, Im sure I will have other dumb ass questions later on.

[Harvester of Sorrow]

Dude...West Seattle... :grinpimp:

Since you are local...and last year I had some great sex with a hott chick that lives off of California St. and was my sugar momma for a while... :grinpimp:

Welcome.... :)

You will want to learn to use the search function here if you plan to co-exist with the natives that inhabit this place.

You mention that your friend just bought a Scout...what do you have? Is he computer illiterate?

[BLK Scout 800]

What we have here is a faliure to SEARCH :flipoff2: But its early and if feel like being nice...
You have a 1970 scout 800
you have a 304 under the hood
you have a dana 30 front w/drums and closed knuckles (10 spline)
you have a dana 44 rear w/ drums (19spline)

I just threw my 30 front down the biggest hill I could find and swaped in a 78 SII D44 with disc's in the front also grabed the rear...I dont know a whole lot about that axle just that 33/14boggers will kill it every time you go out :shaking: My advise: save 100$-200$ and buy some SII axles even if that is your only mod ever! it is well worth it....Oh while your on ebay grab a SII master cylinder along with four new spring perches....everything else is a bolt on (maybe not D30 U bolts) But other than that your Golden :flipoff2:

[Bindernut]

Yep, Josh is right...

You can't just "slap on" disc brakes onto a drum brake closed knuckle D27/D30 front end on a '70 800A. SII axle swap is the way to go for doing it on the cheap. Just do a soa while you have everything apart anyway and THEN you're golden. ;)

[Sully]

The above parts list and description are provided as a courtesy by John Comer of Gryphin Automotive Services. If you get these parts together and take them to another automotive shop for installation, John cannot provide you (or them) with installation and modification procedures. These conversions are his livelihood; they are how he makes his living and feeds his children.


:rolleyes:

Does it take as long to finish one of these conversions as it does to build an engine?

[Beau M]

Actually, I did search, but most threads I read when I search are full of people telling eachother to search, its hard to find the actual info. Harvester, I live about 2 streets down the hill from the junction... and, I just found these guys, over in Chico:
http://www.backcountrybinders.com/ I used to live on the peninsula, anyone have any good/bad stories about them?
My friend with the scout is computer literate, however he is in training all this week and has tasked me with finding him some disk brakes. As I know exactly squat about Scouts I figured I'd ask. I was thinking about getting one myself, this one in fact: http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/73183387.html
We went out to PA to check it out, and it was not nearly as nice as it looks. The next day he found the one he bought, 10x nicer with a old warn 8000lb winch to boot. Odly enough, it is also cammo. We were told the engine was a 34?, not a 304... also, you dont want to know about my junk, it is terrible. Makes the baby Jesus cry. But anyway, thanks for the info.
-Beau

[Eagle-Mark]

Not sure you do have a 727 type auto trans, I thought the 70 still had a borg warner auto.

Dana 44 open knuckle front end with disc brakes will not only stop better but turn more as well. John at Back Country Binders will probably have one.

[Ronnie Scout]

you have a dana 44 rear w/ drums (19spline)
:shaking: Actually, Scout 800A/B's used a flanged, 30-spline rear D44, 56.25" WMS, rather than the earlier 19-spline POS you're referring to. Brake line mounting and vent are different from SII D44. I believe the brakes are narrower than the later ('74+) SII's.

R :)

[Binder]

Yes, it's a BW auto.

[binderbound]

Yep, Josh is right...

You can't just "slap on" disc brakes onto a drum brake closed knuckle D27/D30 front end on a '70 800A. SII axle swap is the way to go for doing it on the cheap. Just do a soa while you have everything apart anyway and THEN you're golden. ;)

you can slap them on. i did mine in about an hour and a half. 1/2 ton chev spindles, caliper brackets, calipers, new studs in the knuckle. ford hub and rotor. the only difference is you need a conversion race that is thicker than stock. I dont have the part number on me but I can get it. you also need to grind on the knuckle a little for clearance of the calipers.

I know its the ultimate in turd polishing but haveing disc's on a stock 80/800 is worth the trouble. no more wet weather panic stops. the axle swap could get messy if your not carefull.

Oh yeah, :flipoff2: welcome rookie biotch!

[4xFreak]

I dont have the part number on me but I can get it.

I would like to have it. I plan to convert my 75 to ford discs later on.

[Beau M]

Awesome binderbound, the part number would be great. Got a ballpark figure as to how much the conversion cost ya?

[RustoleumWhite]

I would like to have it. I plan to convert my 75 to ford discs later on.
Read again, he is referring to the 80/800 closed knuckle axle.. The cook books for Ford outers onto a SII axle has been written a number of times here and the BB. Little hard to search for sometimes, but its there... Trust me, I've personaly written it 1/2 dozen times if I've written it once.


Dan, sweet info, didn't know you could do a simple disc conversion on a closed knuckle unit... and never really searched it, like you said, ultimate turd polishing. My plan was to just swap in a SII D30 unit.... since I have 3 in the scrap pile, but saveing a gear set-up is always good....




Beau, welcome to the hood. Look, wait and learn. Hook up with some of us and you'll learn more than stroking it behind the computer :D. Some of us actually wheel... sometimes. :flipoff2:


Searching is a bitch sometime, but a necessary evil. Actually you would probably learn more, faster buy just clicking through the archived pages and clicking on posts that seem interesting. Takes a while, but then you don't need to constantly be thinking up search terms that don't work.

[Beau M]

Thanks Rust, will do on the more searching. Actually, I will make the knucklehead who actually has the rig search, there is little hope for my rig. We actually wheel also, we are taking a bunch of rigs up into the Cascades around stampeed pass this weekend to do some wheelin/camping. None of us have anything special, some stock jeeps with tires, the scout, my B2600 on swampers and a 2003 blazer. But we have a shit load of fun, and are learing how to drive and pick lines. Fun stuff.

[Harvester of Sorrow]

Beau, welcome to the hood. ............... Some of us actually wheel... sometimes. :flipoff2:




Who would that be?

[RustoleumWhite]

Who would that be?
Binder










:flipoff2:

[Binder]

Bwaaaahaahaahaa! :d

[4xFreak]

Read again, he is referring to the 80/800 closed knuckle axle.. The cook books for Ford outers onto a SII axle has been written a number of times here and the BB. Little hard to search for sometimes, but its there... Trust me, I've personaly written it 1/2 dozen times if I've written it once.

I dont need to read it again. I know that the post was about a closed knuckle axle.

1/2 ton chev spindles, caliper brackets, calipers, new studs in the knuckle. ford hub and rotor. the only difference is you need a conversion race that is thicker than stock.

All I'm interested in is the race. If I'm going from chevy spindles to ford hubs it doesnt make a flying fuck what axle they are going on. I know that it may take different mods to fit the chevy spindles to a scout D44, but I said nothing about that.

I dont have the part number on me but I can get it.

He was offering the part number. I was merely stating that I was interested.

When the time comes when I'm ready to do the conversion I will search for info if I need it.