Thinking of Building a scout

[Ian from Xtreme]

Alright,

I have never built a scout, a friend of mine has one that he swapped in an old mopar drivetrain and it looked pretty good. Here is my question. If we were to build one on the show, what would you guys build? Year Model, mods list anything you want.

I have been cruisin' the build threads for ideas but am looking for input from the guys "in the know"

[robselina]

Well, do you want to show/teach fab skills (like say the Ranger project) or be able to show off more aftermarket parts (like the budget Jeep build)?

Scout IIs are certainly the 'easiest' to build, you could use mostly off the shelf parts for the suspension and drivetrain mods.

Scout 80s and 800s have almost zero support so it's all custom fab work. That's what I'd rather see.

Build an 80/800 for the rocks. Maybe rockwells on coilovers? dovetailed front and rear? Do something a little different though than the usual Chevy 350 or Ford 302 powerplants, it would be neat to see a built IH engine, with fuel injection conversion and all that jazz....

[Ian from Xtreme]

I think a "heavy fab" type of build. I really like the look of the older 800's, but we may have found an 80 pretty local so that might be the build. What kind of "engine" support would we find for an old IH motor.

[bchurch05]

DON'T ditch the IH345 maybe you should go over how to run a carb engine on propane to fix the stalling at high angles problems. this is a better option for scout owners as it is much cheaper to do than EFI and is a much cleaner fuel you can go 10000 miles without changing your oil, as there is little to no carbon.

use the scout II as they are what most people will be buying or maybe they have one sitting out behind their barn. strap some 60's or rockwells under it 4 link rear, shorten and dovetail the rear. i think this would be a very cool project for you to do.

not to steal the thread but i think you should cover some of the groups and clubs that do alot for the sport such as trying to pursuade state government to keep trails open and open new trails. especialy in the northeast we have a real problem with green groups closing trails that we ride. club trail riding is really the only way to go wheeling anywhere cool in the northeast. ad is becoming more of a help out west to gain acsess to private land. just a thought.

love the show.

[bchurch05]

if you get an 80 than swap in a 345 or 392. some may disagree with this but they are pretty common and alot of places can still get parts.

[robselina]

Cool, build the 80 you found locally.

The 4cly engines (152, 196) have almost zero support, but the 345 and 392 are relatively well supported. You could do a IH V8/T-19 combo and then whatever t-case you want behind that. I think it would be interesting to do a NON-Altas/Klune t-case/reduction system. Maybe do a 203/205 doubler and fab your own adapters for grins?

I like bob's propane conversion idea, could be a cool, different way to go about it than the usual gas electronic TBI conversion.

[ihojeff]

A Scout II would be easiest to build since there's much more aftermarket available. You'll definitely have more work on a Scout 80/800 since not too much is availble aftermarket wise. Engine, transmission, transfer case and diff parts are all pretty common in my opinion on both Scout and Scout II's. Either way I'd be willing to help with technical questions and parts. Also very cool to see a Scout get built on national television. You do have a cool show compared to other truck and 4x4 orientated shows.

Jeff

[Mechanos]

My opinion.... I'd build a Scout II. Stretch the front of the frame a little and move the front axle several inches forward. Shorten the rear frame overhang and bob the tail of the body to match. Toss in a front 60 and shaved 14-bolt and of course a healthy power plant. I agree it would be cool to see a built a IH powerplant, but anything healthy would be cool.

[Bill usn-1]

I say go with the 80. run the IH V8. Showcase the new never seen aluminum intake manifold. Go MPFI with common parts nothing exotic. I don't have interest in a $2000 injection system that I can never buy! Or go dual fuel.
Stans tri-y's. Good cam and some dyno runs on the IH motor.
Run the 727 but show a rebuild/upgrade and while your in there swap the tail shaft and run the jeep 300 w/ twin stick or the 203/205. Then drop a 4:1 or 3.15:1 kit in it.
Run your standard CUCV diffs since most go that way.
Flex the sh-t out of it.
do what you want with the body.
This will give enough of the IH moniker to keep us proud and should provide enuf wiz bang for the show.
BTW how do I get to see it over here?

I just get tired of heeps being built with a wallet.
IH's are for people who do it themselves!!!

[BLK Scout 800]

I think you should do something that most have Never seen!!



Scout 80/800
cummins 5.9
NV4500
Klune-v
Atlas 5.0
MOG 404 portals (rear steer)
49'' irocs

That should give you a few days of work by then I have more ideas for ya :flipoff2:

[Afireinside]

I agree with the above a scout II is definetly easier but it would be cool to see an 80 or 800.Personally I think a bobbed scout II is badass.I also like the idea of cummins,4500,doubler and portals.I was watching that marathon today thinking how cool it would be to see a scout.

[robselina]

If it's going to be diesel, it should be the 7.3L ford (which is really an IH engine)

[bchurch05]

X2 for the 7.3

[NVScouter]

Yeah the 7.3 would be awesome!

If you do stay with the IH SV engine(dont waste your time on a 4cyl) go propane. Alot of us have been debating it over EFI and carbs. Tank placement is really the only point that gets debate anyways.

A ScoutII would be nice, with shoulder harness tied into cage/frame. Alot of IH people that want to see your crawler won't care about chopping sheetmetal so go for it!

Cool Seat install would be great. I X2 the stan's headers. They are top of the line quality! Some nice electrical work and a D&C dash would be very cool!

If you do a ScoutII please go with SSII doors! Or tube ones.

Maybe do a vender fest with Blue Torch, D&C extreme, JustIH, Back Country Binders, etc. These are people that are members here and can give you props/donate some parts!

[ih4ever]

i think a scout II would be better to work on, like everybody above said more aftermarket parts. Plus thats what i got... :D

i was thinking one day to do an extreme build up of my own, cut and bobbed rear w/ quarter elliptic from dandc extreme, coil springs up front.
narrow the rear, put a EFI dodge 360, 727 with a jeep tailhousing like what i did. along w/ a dana 60 up front w/ a gm 14 bolt rear.
hydro assits steering. 44" tires. disks all around.

fiber glass the hood and fenders, make a bitchin tube roll bar/cage, nice 5 point seats, some type of transfer case, dana 300 low gear or, im putting in a 4:1 klune w/ a chevy np 205 in mine.

the show on the scout should include, how to do all this mods and what it takes to do em', and do the show all out to show those heeps out there what a bad ass scout can do...

hope to see a bad ass scout on there soon...
let us know when it might be on so i can tape it :D

[JustinL]

I say go for the scout 80 as well. It would be pretty cool to keep an all IH drive train, even the 4cyl. I know someone on here has done a lot of work to their IH 4cyl and are pretty happy with it iirc. Fabricate everything and try not to use all of the fancy tools (like the chassis jig); just what most people would have access too. Instead of buying all new stuff, maybe you can go through rebuilding used parts. I’d like to see the process of narrowing and bobbing a body. If you are going to use a scout 80, it shouldn’t have power steering, I just finished converting my 80 to power steering using off the shelf parts from discount auto and only spent around 300 bucks total so I can send you all of the info I have on that if you would like.

[harkinoff]

build a Scout II

[Shadow man]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! :( Stick to the bellybutton vehicles. Please.

[Ian from Xtreme]

Well I am glad that everyone is agreeing on what to see. So far I have suggestions to use an 80 a 800, but be sure to use a scout II. Then we have drivetrains that run the gamut, and even a vote for no build at all from Shadow Man.

We can build a K5 if you would prefer, just trying to mix it up a bit.

So I am guessing that as long as we build one, most of you would be happy, Yes?

[Mechanos]

Well I am glad that everyone is agreeing on what to see. So far I have suggestions to use an 80 a 800, but be sure to use a scout II. Then we have drivetrains that run the gamut, and even a vote for no build at all from Shadow Man.

We can build a K5 if you would prefer, just trying to mix it up a bit.

So I am guessing that as long as we build one, most of you would be happy, Yes?
Well, you asked for opinions and you know what they say about those. :D

scouts are a bit of a different breed and so are the guys that run them. Everyone who has a Scout like different things about them... some want to keep certain features that other people want to replace. The opinions are also coming from varied places in the country and what one person wants to see (based on his local terrain) may not be worth a piss to someone else in different part of the country with totally different terrain.

I suggest you build the Scouts mentioned above in your mind and try to get a visual. Then weigh out what you think would make a good show doing the Scouts justice and just do it. You will never please all of us here all the time... our tastes are just too varied.

Personally, I'd just love to see a Scout build on TV period!!!

[MochaMike]

Trail only Trailer Rig? DD/Wheeler? or What?

If your doing the DD/Wheeler & need to keep it legal (as in California) find a Diesel & throw a 345 or some other engine in it.

For crawling I'd go with TBI350, SM465 205 doubler to whatever, Coils, 60s & 39.5 IROKS.

Propane is cool too. :smokin:

[dewey]

If you are going to do a scout, I think you should do it as more of a budget type build. Most of the guys that have scouts have a lot less money in them than say guys that have broncos.

[tsm1mt]

You could do a "moderate" / "budget" build pretty easily if you started with a Scout II (vs Scout 80)

Any 1971-1980 SII would do. They're more common than the earlier series, and "newer" so more likely someone else will find one lying around and follow your lead.

You can find a SII with power steering, power brakes and your choice of 3spd, 4spd (close or wide), or slushbox (TF727).

Heck, factory A/C isn't that hard to stumble upon.

In short, IMHO, the Scout II is a solid base to start from for something "moderate".

Wanna go whole hog? Might as well start with a Scout 80 or 800.. since you'll be replacing just about everything any how. :D

A stock Scout II can be sprung-over and locked, and a little body lift and/or body alteration, and 35s are a reality and the axles will even hold up for a time.

This is within the "reality" realm for most people.

Making much more than 33s fit well requires a lot of massaging, or a ton of lift and long bump stops. :D

[Brandon]

as lame as it sounds I'd like to see that 80 with modern day suspension/drivetrain (maybe a crate motor etc). Coils would be cool but build it as a comfortable daily driver/trail rig. Definately not a trailer queen - enough of those. Something you'd want to drive even if a 4wheel drive road was not in the plan for the day..

Maybe keeping the hard top and making it more "comfortable" inside (clean stereo install, ac, etc).

Yea, I know this is pirate4x4 but everybody builds the bad ass, now build the clean and functional..

BTW I have an 80 that is stripped down and would make a great project as long as you give it back after you give it all new drivetrain, suspension, and bodywork/interior ;)

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=326219

[mtroy]

As someone who spent 4 yrs building up my 800, I agree on the advice to start with a SII unless you want to show how to build everything from the ground up. That is what an 80/800 requires. Tons of fab work if you want to modernize and strengthen it.

They are very 'old school' compared to the SIIs and that is unique and such, but you pay for that unique-ness.

My vote: SII, 345 on propane (or an EFI swap...lots of internet support for that), T19 wide, Tera Low D20, swap out the axles to something about 61"-63" wide, bob the back end, SOA, anti wrap bar or link the rear (ALA DandC),
6 point family cage, new dash optional. Have a good look at the wiring.

35"s - 37"s depending on axle choice, 4.56s with lockers of your choice, trim fenders to fit, add body armor and winch. Maybe redneck ram steering.

Most Scout guys are cheap, so Dynatrac axles, etc, are not too common. A SII built the way I layed out is reasonable for most guys over time and will wheel a pretty hard trail, carry the family, and still drive down the hwy.

Really try to keep the 345. It is heavy, but it runs well when upgraded to modern specs and pulls the Scout around nicely off road.

That said, I am swapping out my 304, but that is just my truck.

[Dirt Boy]

I'd be psyched to see Volvo or Mog portal axles go under a scout (like the 4runner on this board) Even the AiRock air is cool. Of course, that's been done to another rig so maybe not original enough? But different than other stuff for sure. That would be my end goal some day, Portals, air springs and ctis. :smokin:

[Christian B]

Heck - just do an SOA to a scout 2 THE PROPER WAY (cut and turn) and you will have enough content for a good show. Hopefully you might eliminate alot of future booty fab on IH rigs by doing this.....

Throw in fabbing up a diy dropped drag link + extended driveshafts + ring and pinion upgrade and your lookin at a good basic budget buildup.

Looking forward to seeing a scout on your show!!

[Diesel Smoke]

I think a "heavy fab" type of build. I really like the look of the older 800's, but we may have found an 80 pretty local so that might be the build. What kind of "engine" support would we find for an old IH motor.

I say go with what you want, Scout II's will be "easier", but that is relative. The support for the older IH motors is growing. You will soon be able to get aluminium intake manifolds for them, you can buy an off the shelf FI system for them, headers from Stans, cams are avaiable, but whatever you do to it, it will weigh 700#'s when your done. If you keep that in mind while doing the build, then you won't have any problems. Personally I would love to see you keep the IH mill, but understand how that could be a hang up.

As for base vehicles, go for the 80!! I also agree with Bill-USN 1 on the upgrades list. Go with a Scout II 727, swap on a jeep tailshaft, full manual VB and show the fuddy duddy Scout II people what you can do with one. They are a great trans once they are tuned. Fitting the 727 into a Scout 80 body is a bit of a task. Binderbound and myself are currently working on a Scout 80 to compete in the Stock Mod class for WE Rock, you can see that build HERE (http://www.binderbulletin.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11149). At the bottom of page 6 of the build you can see what we encountered putting the 727 in, if you want to see the pics you'll have to register on the BB or PM me and I can email them to you. Also keep in mind we dropped the engine down and back about 3" so keeping the engine in the stock postition you would have even more trouble.

Needless to say I could go on and ON about fitting newer components into the Scout 80, and it really can be a pain in the ass! If you want to run and IH V-8 in an 80 frame and body, you had better be ready to fab!! Also, as some of the people here have discovered the frame is really wide, 29" wide, so fitting another brand of v-8 can get interesting:D!

Either way, if you guys do end up building a Scout, I may just have to get cable. As I have said, the 80's have a few interesting quirks, I don't know them all, but know quite a few:D.

Good luck and keep up the good programing.

Carl Wiese

[Joe V]

There two basic ways of building a scout for your show. Number One, strip all the factory parts off and replace them with typical TV show buildup high dollar professional top of the line rockcrawler components (kinda like that mail-order jeep your building) using Dynatrac axles, EFI Crate Engine, Atlas TC, Coilovers, Full Hydro Steering, then cut up the tub and tube it; which would be great and something I would like to see.

Number two, you can use some of the better Scout parts with Scout aftermarket parts which are readily available, Scout Dana 44 axles with Warn axle shafts, IH v8 304 or 345 with Holley TBI or Affordable EFI TBI system, springover or aftermarket leaf spring or D&C coils, T19 wide ratio 4speed, Dana 300 or D20 TC w/low range gear set, Detroit lockers, on board air plus all the other knick knacks and doo dads like a winch, lights, etc. since there are actually a ton of aftermarket parts available for Scout II’s this would be more appealing to the masses.

I would use a Scout II if you want a backseat that will carry more than 1 passenger with gear, which is what I own but I have always liked the Model 80's best.

[Harvester of Sorrow]

Like others have mentioned...Scout II.

They are more "modern" in the relative term, and right out of the box are capable rigs with minor modifications.

I have owned now both a 1976 Scout II, as well as currently owning an already built 1961 Scout. I would have never been willing to do as much fab work on the Scout as the previous owner did (why I bought it built up :D ).

Therefore I vote Scout II:

1974 or newer
whatever engine...IH would be cool
Propane regardless of engine type
full width axles (44/60 or 60/60 or ??/14FF) weld rear ARB front
Twin stick Dana20
Automatic
1/2 doors
Bobbed
1/4 eliptical with 3 or 4 link front and rear
Family Cage
39.5" IROK tires


If I would have gotten a Scout II again...that is what my wish list would have looked like.

Like said before...no matter what...having an IH build will be tits...

[JoshC]

I'd build one like mine only without all the booty fab I have. :D

Oh, and I'd install the softball sized disco ball that's been sitting on my work bench for 6 Months now.

[JoshC]

Actually, you should copy Old Scouts buildup and see if you can do it in less than three years... Or has it been four years? :flipoff2: Sup OS?

[Harvester of Sorrow]

I'd build one like mine only without all the booty fab I have. :D

Oh, and I'd install the softball sized disco ball that's been sitting on my work bench for 6 Months now.

Ha Ha...

You are such a trick ass bitch... :grinpimp:

http://beer.thisdysfunctional.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1919&stc=1

:cool2:

[Sully]

I'd love to see a Scout buildup.

Lot's of people bitch about the IH engines, because they are so damn heavy. I for one, like the uniqueness of them though, and would love to see the buildup retain an IH mill. (If a more modern engine is a necessity, I'd love to see a current International Powerstroke wind up powering a rig.)

Scout II is what I would go with, simply for availability, but I do have a special place in my heart for the 80/800's.

I'd like to see full width axles, under some sort of slick suspension (something more impressive than just a SOA)

I'd also like to see it retain functionality of the Scout, in terms of a back seat, and some cargo space. The reason many of us love our scouts is that we can bring the family, and all the associated gear that would never fit into a buggy.

[rockhog]

Here is my 2 Cents...

Build a 80 or 800


383 stroker small block chevy...EFI
60/14 bolt combo
Th400/Atlas 4.3
leaf front/coil 4 link rear
39.5 Pitbull rockers/beadlocks
Exo cage/PRP seats..and the rest is yours!

[Scout Dork]

Couple of options:
#1
Do a Scout II Spring-Over With an in depth how to: weld the axle perches, Rock-sliders, front bumper, re-gearing axles. And then claim it was all done for $50 plus gears. Done that, with little tech.
Or you could show actually how to weld a front axle housing to do a spring over. Proper angles of drive lines, shock towers, hydro-assist.
#2
Do a 80/800, take it down to the frame, clean it up, then cut it all off, then weld on a new rear end, and a new front. Done that, with little tech.
Or do a Roselia type build up showing how to's
Really, I don't have cable. Your show is Entertainment, not Educational. If I wanted to know how to weld on a frame, would I watch your show, read a book, or go to the PBB? If I wanted to know how to use an air ratchet to remove an exhaust on a camero, then I'd watch Hot Rod TV. Your show only shows snipits of how to do what needs to be done.

And why use a Scout II that isn't even all IH, I'm offering my Scout II that is half way built. A How to Improve a Scout II is what I want to see. Adding FI, 404 axles, doubler kit.
Scout Dork

[Urban Wheeler]

If I was going to wheel on a budget, I'd do a SII, SOA, EFI or propane, and hydro assist. You'd have a nice wheeler and a comfortable driver. Unless you're getting into the hardcore stuff you don't need much else.

[ChiScouter]

id like to see some real thought and pains taken to make it a comfortable functional daily driver. I think that moving the front tire way far forward and the necessary triming takes a lot of the look of a Scout out of it. Keep the tire size to around 36, hog out the wheelwells as far as possible, and move the rear axle back quite a few inches to help the departure angle. I don't care what series, but if you decide on a II you must make it an SSII. Find some standard flares from something else that mimic the round wheelwell shape and will cover big meats on wider axles. Most engines have already been done,.......how about a LS2? Long flexi leafs and 1st rate shocks, or a link system that will allow the rig to tow a trailer.
Then again I have don't have cable and would have to get someone to copy the show LOL

[TATER]

The show is called "EXTREME" 4x4. Leave that bolt on stuff for jeep crowd.

Scout II, Dana60/14bolt (its allready spring over),gear install on axles, fab up a front crossmember, longer junkyard springs front and back, EFI or propane ('pane to keep a redneck/junkyard thing going), what ever some manufacture wants to give up for the t-case, hummerbeadlocks and 39.5" Iroks.


Keep it simple yet technically interesting. Some home builders can do 4-links and drivetrain switches but most are taking an allready tough Scouts and making them bulletproof.

[Hammerlock]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! :( Stick to the bellybutton vehicles. Please.

X2. You'll have better parts availability and a bigger audience if you build a Jeep. We really don't want the attention and they are all the same anyway once you get beneath the sheet metal.

[JoshC]

X2. You'll have better parts availability and a bigger audience if you build a Jeep. We really don't want the attention and they are all the same anyway once you get beneath the sheet metal.

Every time I read the readers letters in any magazine they ask for more coverage on Scouts.

There are more people interested in this than not I guarantee it.

[Hammerlock]

You don't get it. You're not reading between the lines Josh.

[Ben Segrest]

It's obvious from everybody elses post that scout II's are the easier platform to start with. It's also clear that pretty much everybody likes the lines of the 80/800. I personally agree with both statements. As such, I would say use a scout II chassie and the 80/800 body. They both run the same wheelbase. The "II" frame is boxed vs. the 800's C channel. You can get a II with power steering and brakes, a 345 and AC. Coils would be great, but leaves work; reverse shackle is a fairly common mod that you may consider. Shave a 14b for the rear, front??? maybe a 60. Running about 37's should allow you to keep it fairly low and trim the fenders without too much grief. 33 gallon tank if you go gas or diesel, but propane sounds pretty sweet. Cut the doors. If you want, you could cut them to fit SS wireframe doors. I could ramble on some more, but I have to be up in a few hours for work. Thanks for asking

Ben

[MochaMike]

Not sure about 800s, but my 80 is boxed.

[zapzuki2]

I want to see a budget scout 80 like mine built!!!!!!! Just to see a television show overcome having to Fab everything and pay double what the same part costs for another veh. For example 61 Jeep Cj Spring Bushings $25 Scout 80 $65. Scout 80 wheel Cyl $59/Entire caliper for a ford bronco $20 :shaking:

[robselina]

Not sure about 800s, but my 80 is boxed.

The 800 is boxed too, not C channel.

That frame was the one thing that really impressed me on the 800 when I first looked it over, that sucker is STOUT!

[Urban Wheeler]

X2. You'll have better parts availability and a bigger audience if you build a Jeep. We really don't want the attention and they are all the same anyway once you get beneath the sheet metal.
I love seeing built Scouts, I just don't want to have to pay outrageous amounts of cash for parts like the EB guys.

Look around at some/most of the Jeeps on the board and see how much of them are still Jeep. Most of the Scouts here (I've seen) are the same way.

[harkinoff]

All this talk about Bolt on Scout II parts, I have yet to buy any.... Hell, even my soft top is homemade..
Is this Scout your going to build be a street rig/ trail rig or just a cut up trail rig? Mine is a cut up mess, but it still carries a plate and is drove on the street quite a bit. I wouldn't have it any other way, I've considered the buggy thing etc. BUT, I see guys all the time trailering there rigs to and from the trails, having people meet them at the end of a trail because the unload area is miles away, what a pain in the asssssssss!!! So I kept mine street legal (sorta :D ) sure I have to change out the 38's when I take it down to inspection but that is no biggie in my book.. It is legal height ways, it just has some tire coverage issues with the 38's on. That could be legalized buy building some removeable flares but I just run mud flaps that have quick releases and get by (knocking on wood....). Another thing I could do is narrow the 60 and 14 bolt but I like the width, its way stable even with the flat mooshy springs I run.. Well I'm just rambling here :rolleyes:

[Eagle-Mark]

It should have a fuel injection system from Affordable Fuel Injection, give us a call. 248-393-1621

http://www.affordable-fuel-injection.com/ih-system.htm

[Shadow man]

It should have a fuel injection system from Affordable Fuel Injection, give us a call. 248-393-1621

http://www.affordable-fuel-injection.com/ih-system.htm

Damn spud PIMP! :flipoff2:
Hark, these guys have your top. :)
http://thejeep.com/stc/scout.html

[CMF]

I think a "heavy fab" type of build. I really like the look of the older 800's, but we may have found an 80 pretty local so that might be the build. What kind of "engine" support would we find for an old IH motor.

If you decide to go with a SII, I've got a few you could chose from in Nashville.

[Binderman]

I vote for a v8 powered 800 buildup myself. Build out of JY scrounged parts with a few purchased items for like hy-steer and maybe a doubler setup.

I say show you and Jesse scrounging the parts and then after the buildup show how the ole IH shamed all the high dollar rigs on a trail run.

Take mine and all the junk I have scrounged for a buildup and make a show with it. Seems like I will NEVER have the time or the cash to even start the project. But ya gotta give it back afterwards and lone me a DD while ya have it :D

Heck the injection is already done!!

[JoshC]

Ian,

After thinking about this some I decided what I really want to see. I want to see fabrication tips and tricks for the home-garage fabricator/builder, trick inovative rig stuff like running coolant through a section of your tube chassis instead of a radiator, electrical tips, dash design ideas, building hybrid axles, re-centering my own wheels, tube bending 101, building a flatbed, setting up friggin coil-overs properly, what else???? I guess for me it doesn't matter what the rig is. I do think it would be cool to see a Scout build any way you decide to build it. But I just want to learn stuff and get ideas to apply to my rig.

[BEN C.]

Any Scout build will be better than what any other shows are doing. It really doesn't matter which model you use, just pick one and build it. Just make sure not to do anything :rainbow: like paint the suspension or steering members neon lime green.

[Snoopy]

I think a "heavy fab" type of build. I really like the look of the older 800's, but we may have found an 80 pretty local so that might be the build. What kind of "engine" support would we find for an old IH motor.
Ian,

I've been looking to build a major build on a Scout 80 chassis...something for the Modified Class of UROC/WEROCK/CalROCS. Something like SuperRanger's rig, but with a Scout.

Plans are going with a 80 chassis, 345 (mounted at the stock 80's motor location and tweaked a bit), TF727 (with all the trimmings), Atlas, HighAngle Drivelines, D60s, and 37s. I'm planning on cutting as much of the body off as the rules will allow, using a 4-link system in back, 3-link front, Coil-overs or AirShocks (depending on weight) and a few other trinkets...I'm sure you get the idea.

If you're looking for a place to build it, let me know. I'm sure I could find some advertising dollars to 'write off' ;)

[Eagle-Mark]

OK so we all helped you out! Now will you introduce us to Jessi ! :D

Is she really that cute in person?

Does she really weld that good?

Did you get to see her scar? :eek:

[Ben Segrest]

OK so we all helped you out! Now will you introduce us to Jessi ! :D

Is she really that cute in person?

Does she really weld that good?

Did you get to see her scar? :eek:

Yeah, no shit. Tell her that if she comes to Louisiana I'll show her how to pinch the tails and suck the heads.





















of crawfish




















yeah, crawfish :flipoff2:

[scoutrallye]

Good thread fella's, I'll chime in...

I have built Scout II's and SCout 80/800's. Either one is simple enough to build a tough all around wheeler using mostly IH parts. If using a Scout II, there is plenty of opportunity to highlight the stout drivetrains they came with. I agree with most on this forum stick with an IH engine. You will get much props for that in the IH world. Scout 80/800 would be cool for a hardcore fab oriented build up. It is cool that you are talking to IH people before doing the build. When it is done -show up at the Hollister Hills annual Scout gathering wheel it and join the family. We are also organizing a rubicon run end of summer. Could be a good dead line. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325234&page=3&pp=25&highlight=narrowed+Bobbed

[orange02ss]

I would like to see a build up using the IH V8! Scout II is my choice, but anything with the IH V8 will suffice!

[Ian from Xtreme]

WOW!!

Thanks for all the input guys, it will really help the build. I do have some Noobie Scout questions.

The IH engine, 345, 304 how similar are these to the AMC engines. Also the 727 trans, is that the same as the Dodge 727 or different.

If anyone has some info on where I can get some "Scout history" throw up a link I would love to learn more.

[ihojeff]

WOW!!

Thanks for all the input guys, it will really help the build. I do have some Noobie Scout questions.

The IH engine, 345, 304 how similar are these to the AMC engines. Also the 727 trans, is that the same as the Dodge 727 or different.

If anyone has some info on where I can get some "Scout history" throw up a link I would love to learn more.

IH engines are totally different than AMC. Not related in any way. The tranny is the same as the Dodge 727 except the case is different to match the IH bellhousing pattern. Try BinderBulletin.org and go to the facts section for some good info. Or you can call me at 916-652-4706 and I'll be glad to answer all your questions as best I can.

Jeff

[slipscomb]

Here's a cool link to history as well as info on the Scout SSII.
Linky (http://www.ihssii.org/index.html)

[Snoopy]

WOW!!

Thanks for all the input guys, it will really help the build. ....
Interesting to know how crazy these guys are to see a comp rig built from a IH.

[Mr.Pink]

To build a comp rig from a scout is kind of crazy. I think the biggest problem there going to have is the weight of a scout. When I got done with mine I was actually shocked that it still weighed right at 5000lbs. Maybe i'm the only one that beleives that weight is a major issue? Good luck building the rig look forward to seeing it.

[Snoopy]

I don't understand why ~ so the engine is 300# more than any other, so the buggy weighs 300# more ~ if the engine is placed right, that's only 150# per end more than any other V8 engine.

[Binderman]

I agree with most on this forum stick with an IH engine. You will get much props for that in the IH world. Scout 80/800 would be cool for a hardcore fab oriented build up. It is cool that you are talking to IH people before doing the build.


Amen!!

[Shadow man]

To build a comp rig from a scout is kind of crazy. I think the biggest problem there going to have is the weight of a scout. When I got done with mine I was actually shocked that it still weighed right at 5000lbs. Maybe i'm the only one that beleives that weight is a major issue? Good luck building the rig look forward to seeing it.


Yea, I'm puzzled also as to why so heavy. My SSII stock with my added junk on it weighed 4280lbs. I can see no reason why if you built a COMP rig that it couldn't get close to #3000. That would be with a SII frame and drive train, and 60s. I look at a SII and see all sorts of ways to remove weight. I have noticed is that no one seems to mention about removing it from the engine. Yes, there is ways to remove dead weight from an engine. Yes it does require alot of machining.

[Mr.Pink]

I don't understand why ~ so the engine is 300# more than any other, so the buggy weighs 300# more ~ if the engine is placed right, that's only 150# per end more than any other V8 engine.

I might have got lost in what was trying to be accomplished. I thought that keeping the scout frame was the main cosensus. but if there going to build a buggy I would say do the trick scout engine thingy. On a very serious note who ever builds a scout for comp better do a great job beause all the jeep guys will give you hell if it does not perform.


Yea, I'm puzzled also as to why so heavy.

Are you being sarcastic or for real? Specs on my rig 60 front, 14bolt rear chevy 350 t350 trans, 203/205 thats basicly the drive train. What is hacked off top, doors, tailgate, parts of floor,all inner fenders gone. What else could I do to make my scout lighter? I just believe that you could run all the best setups , but if it weighs to much it's just not going to perform.

[Shadow man]

I might have got lost in what was trying to be accomplished. I thought that keeping the scout frame was the main cosensus. but if there going to build a buggy I would say do the trick scout engine thingy. On a very serious note who ever builds a scout for comp better do a great job beause all the jeep guys will give you hell if it does not perform.




Are you being sarcastic or for real? Specs on my rig 60 front, 14bolt rear chevy 350 t350 trans, 203/205 thats basicly the drive train. What is hacked off top, doors, tailgate, parts of floor,all inner fenders gone. What else could I do to make my scout lighter? I just believe that you could run all the best setups , but if it weighs to much it's just not going to perform.

Real.
All you posted was that you built a Scout of some kind. It appears to me somewhat in the post that you built a Comp Scout. Since YOU did not post any previous specifics otherwise, all one can assume is you have a Scout Comp rig built with a Scout drivetrain.
Weight? Yes it is a concern. Truthfully I havn't had many issues related to being heavy. My rig is a all around type vehicle. Load it up with 4 people, food, gear and hit what is in front of the Hood. I like it that way. I also like my heater when its cold and the enclosed comfort when its wet. I am a puss. :D
If I were to play just only the rocks, I would have a rock rig.
Weight, it does come in handy though for pulling those J**ps off the trail. :grinpimp:

[Diesel Smoke]

Yea, I'm puzzled also as to why so heavy. My SSII stock with my added junk on it weighed 4280lbs. I can see no reason why if you built a COMP rig that it couldn't get close to #3000. That would be with a SII frame and drive train, and 60s. I look at a SII and see all sorts of ways to remove weight. I have noticed is that no one seems to mention about removing it from the engine. Yes, there is ways to remove dead weight from an engine. Yes it does require alot of machining.

I think it could be done pretty easily. After all our mod stock cralwer is just over 3700#'s. The only reason it is still as heavy as it is, is we didn't make a full fledge effort to lighten it and if the truck was running in a different class more could be cut off and replaced with lighter componenets.

[RustoleumWhite]

Are you being sarcastic or for real? Specs on my rig 60 front, 14bolt rear chevy 350 t350 trans, 203/205 thats basicly the drive train.


Actually I'd say you did a pretty good job of lightening the body, its your drive-train that HEAVY.

The 350/350's not bad on weight, but the 203/205 is a heavy ass combo, plus the D60 and 14B, not light weights. And I'm assuming probably 38-sih swamper type tires and steel rims.... Lots of weight.

So if your still in the 5K range, you have done some good lightening work.



Lots of SII weight in the rockers and the firewall, and windshield and frame. Rockers tend to go over time, but the firewall and many times the windshield frame stays, plus all the tube to build a decent cage.


I also agree, weight is bad, light is better. People tend to pile weight onto Scouts in their build ups, after all "it was a heavy pig to begin with" My trail rig weighs in between 4500 and 5K, my race rig (nothing great, yet) tips the scales around 3500 (about as light as you can make a basic SII with out some serious work).... and it is noticeable. Much nicer to dance around and maneuver.

[BoJack]

Any updates on this Ian?

[Eagle-Mark]

You can also check out
Binder Bulletin

[Creepy196]

I'd like to see a Scout 80 or 800 buildup. The 4X4 mags have covered a lot more SII buildups than 80/800s. I'd like to see an IH V8 or maybe a 4BT Cummins diesel. The 4BT would be cool with an SM465 and a 203/205 or 203/300 doubler.

It'd just be cool to see ANY Scout built up on a quality show. Just don't do the usual 'standard' buildup formula (just insert vehicle type)+Chevy350+Th350/400+Atlas build. Sure it works, but it's BORING to see the same thing YET AGAIN. Take out the transfer case and that's the same build for 99.999% of the 'hot rod' builds on TV as well...


I'll bet Jeff could see a way to persuade his Bro to send the first production aluminum IH V8 intake to Ian and Jesse for a little free publicity!:grinpimp:

It'd go great on a 345 or 392 with propane (or AFI fuel injection) Stan's Headers, a Camcraft cam, and a DUI disty. From there a 727 to a STaK or maybe 203/300 doubler...

[Rusty Escandell]

My votes on a 80 or 800, IH 392 (mounted lower and backed up) dual fuel or just Porpane, 727 or Borg warner auto (like to see someone do something with a BW :cool2: ), d300, maybe dual steer rockwells :D but at the very least d60/c14 oh yes BIG MEAT 44s or 49 ( :laughing: tasteful sheet metal trimming of course) exoskeleton & cage (you'll need it with rockwells side up)

My projects close to this, only mine's just missing some of the big stuff for now

Anyway it will be fun to watch and see what you do end up doing.

Oh Yea Great show! keep up the good work

[AlterMigo]

Any scout, just give us something different than what the rest of the world is building. Use as much IH parts as is reasonable. Having an old scout on such a well watched program would be nothing but good for the show (and we would'nt mind either).

[Diesel Smoke]

Bump!!

So, how about it Ian. You've guys have a couple of very succesful season's under you belt now. You've done plenty of bolt on and go project, like you have to, to keep the bills paid. How about the Scout? They are more popular then ever and gaining popularity everyday. We've got fine examples here of their potential and with you're expertise I am sure you could cook something up!!

Hey, look at it this way. You could go hardcore IH and show what really home building a crawler is all about. You know, where you open up the preformance parts mags out there and find nothing for you're project. You know, hardcore, keep the 750# small block and make all the IH owners love you forever.

Or you could go kinda hardcore, get a rig with one of the AMC engines in it, at least then you justify the swap to a 4.0L or just trick out a 258 and go from there.

So, what say you??? Hell I'd even volunteer to be your point of contact for any original tech questions you may have, or just general IH history. If I don't know it, I know someone who does.

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[nsscout]

i think this is a great idea to do a scout build. how under represented we are in the wheeling community. would love to see a scout2 with a 7.3l powerstroke just to keep the ih theme and mogs would be tits.

[Brandon]

top :)


yep I just felt like bringing back the dead tonight :p

[Dhmoto111]

i think a build using most scout stuff would be alot better (i know not much of mine is IH anymore) but not everyone knows what a spring over, locked, efi scout will do

i would prolly rather see propane or dual fuel over efi

[Sirmonte]

i think this is a great idea to do a scout build. how under represented we are in the wheeling community. would love to see a scout2 with a 7.3l powerstroke just to keep the ih theme and mogs would be tits.


:beer::beer:

[stomp-a-jeep]

I'm voting on a budget scout 80 or 800 build, 60/14 locked and loaded, soa of course, cummins 4bt turbo, nv4500, atlas or 205/203, dovetailed, exoed, hydro assist, h1 wheels, 38's, and me as a helper. :flipoff2:
all this stuff mentioned anyone with a lil cash and knowhow can build at home its all pretty available and would be stout enough to wheel for a long time, I like seeing all the wicked ass builds extreme does but its cool seeing stuff the everyday guy will do. also everything can be adapted to other makes and models for the non IH guys.

gotta have a sticker saying "jeeps are for chicks"

[Urban Wheeler]

WTF?? This thread is two years old. Let it go.

[NVScouter]

Yup not enough bolt-on crap so its gone. Last I saw they were doing a Jeepspeed. Its dead so who cares.

[Brandon]

well they are running out of ideas so it will be back I am sure..

Then they can come finish mine :p

[SSGTWC]

well they are running out of ideas so it will be back I am sure..

Then they can come finish mine :p

Now that's an idea! :idea: :flipoff2:

[crazy4ih]

Anybody else see this? Not getting my hopes up, but its something!:smokin:

from this thread: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587382


I am working on an 800 that I found that I think would make a pretty good Scout build.

[NVScouter]

The tech is really ramped up in the back half of the season.

The first episode is CORR Pro2 with Roll Cage Tech design as well
There is a little "overbudget" Toyota build, but it is true to what you see on the trails.
The ZUK is all budget used parts
An entire episode is devoted to the building of Rockwells and all the cool stuff about them
And the 609 is not really budget but reall solid tech on axle width, pinion offset, caster issues...yada yada yada

A little mix of stuff for everyone and as ussual if you guys have any comments feel free to shoot them my way.
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I saw this part...yup...no IHC.