Ok all, if I could get some input I would certainly appreciate it. On the big Disko we currently have 15x8” with 4.00” BS running 36x12.50 IROKs and we are binding and rubbing all the way around like a cheap whore on dry Saturday night. The tires are currently hitting the sides front dampers at full compression and the radius arms at full turn even with the stop bolts turned all the way out. I thought about welding some longer nuts on there but then I thought...nah, leave that kind of stuff to PT :flipoff2: and do this one right. In the rear the only thing hitting is the fender wells, [see below.]

We think we have decided that we need to up the ante and go with a 10” wide wheel with more [or less???] back spacing. It seems that this is the one thing that no one can explain for certain. I spent 35mins on the phone with Allied talking about BS and the end result was, the lower the number of the BS the farther wheel sticks out and thus a wider track [sometimes resulting in exposed rotors and shiot.] An example solution for us would be upgrade to 15x10’s with a 3.50” back spacing resulting in a more squared off tire and sticking the wheel further out increasing the track. Then I do a search on the board [spent 40mins on it tonight] and I find all kinds on contradicting information. Which one is it? Ignoring the fact that we want to go with a wider wheel all together, when the BS is lower or higher what does it equate to? BTW, we do not want to use spacers.

Search Proof: :D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325239&highlight=wheel+backspacing
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=286576&highlight=wheel+backspacing
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218559&highlight=wheel+backspacing

Moving along, as soon as we sort the above problem out [jump on in guys] we plan on cutting away the rear fender wells and building new boxes similar to the thread [Rangie on 37’s.] That along with moving the fuel filler tube should allow us to stuff fairly decent in the rear. Keep in mind it’s a challenge truck so articulation isn’t the number #1 priority. The tricky part is going to be how to fit one more 7100 at each corner. :grinpimp:

Thanks,

BTW, the Allied locked 15x8's are for sale, PM me for a smoking deal.

[PS, any luck this time PT? :flipoff2:]

, Jason

The tricky part is going to be how to fit one more 7100 at each corner. :grinpimp:



Ummmm, Why more than 1 shock at each corner? You need to quit reading the Ford Pages. Dual shocks aren't needed on a rover man...

Its both and yets its neither. You have the right idea about what your problem is. Why not have Stazworks in the Vendor section make you some wheels. Tell him what you want and what problems you are overcoming and he will lay it all out for you. Instead of doubletalking about what is available and what you need. I do not want to confuse you by giving you numbers to use. Just give a real wheel maker your example and what problems exsist and go from there. 10 inch is a wide wheel, I think 9 inch would do the job if you stick it in the right place.

BS its whats for dinner.

I spent 35mins on the phone with Allied talking about BS :shaking:

My current 10x15" wheels for the 36" IROK bias (fat fawkers, if you know...) and the tires are 4" to the inside, 6" to the outside, meaning that the center of the tire is 1" offset to the outside of the hub (now whatever you are saying about offset & BS I have no idea).

When I put on some weld-on beadlocks, I'll have even more width gained...Had I been in the US, I would have gotten a 10" wide rim from Strazworks (shipping to Lebanon sucks) with 2" inside and 8" outside...

I have 15x10 allied beadlocks with 4.125" backspacing--running 35x12.5 MTs. I have no rubbing except on the radius arms at full lock. I could have cranked the stops a little more to prevent it, but I wanted the extra turning circle if I ever need it off road. As it is, my turning circle is smaller than stock. The tires stick out 4-5" outside the body. Works for me. Cops don't like it too much.

Edit-Stazworks rims are sweet, no doubt about it. They should be, at more than double the cost of Allied.

I have 15x10 allied beadlocks with 4.125" backspacing--running 35x12.5 MTs. I have no rubbing except on the radius arms at full lock. I could have cranked the stops a little more to prevent it, but I wanted the extra turning circle if I ever need it off road. As it is, my turning circle is smaller than stock. The tires stick out 4-5" outside the body. Works for me. Cops don't like it too much.

Edit-Stazworks rims are sweet, no doubt about it. They should be, at more than double the cost of Allied.

The double beadlocks are more then double. He will make less worthy wheels as well. If buget is the problem.

JP

10" rim is to wide for that tire. Unless your stuck in the 80's

Go here for info on BS:

http://high-impact.net/wheels/backspacingillustration.htm#Backspacing%20Definiti on

After reading that you will be well suited with a 15x8 wheel with 3.5 - 3.75" BS. You are already putting a big strain on your steering with the bigger tires, so I wouldn't make it any worse by going wider than you have to, or by increasing the BS more than needed.

You might also look into getting a 1/4" wheel spacer made so that you don't have to buy new rims.

10" rim is to wide for that tire. Unless your stuck in the 80's

Soo, is the consensus that Interco recommends too wide rims? For all uses or just hard core crawling? Most rims I have access to are narrower than they recommend, so not purely academic.

Since Swamper does not show the mystical tire Red Dildo is using, Here is an SX in the same size. The recomended rim is 8.5-10" SAM-56
36x12.50-15LT
6
22/32
10.3
35.9
13.3
15x8.5-10
30
2720
Narrower rims are better for 90% of four wheeling. This of course reduces the ability of your tire to unseat from the rim, and also reduces damage to the rim. Hell, I run 39 13.5 R20 Irocs on less than 10" rims.

Since Swamper does not show the mystical tire Red Dildo is using, Here is an SX in the same size. The recomended rim is 8.5-10" SAM-56
36x12.50-15LT
6
22/32
10.3
35.9
13.3
15x8.5-10
30
2720
Narrower rims are better for 90% of four wheeling. This of course reduces the ability of your tire to unseat from the rim, and also reduces damage to the rim. Hell, I run 39 13.5 R20 Irocs on less than 10" rims.

I assume that the 12.50 part of Reds tire dimension is a typo, should read 13.50? Anyway, I can read Interco's tables. Do you think their recommendations are wrong? (Not saying they aren't.)

I prefer Tireloc to prevent unseating.

I have had a problem in the past with lacking side stability of Q78x16's on 6.5" Wolfs (within Interco specs) and want to go wider for stability.

Wow, I go away for a day and all this content...

lwg - The reason we are looking into dual shocks is mainly because we want to stiffen up the ride some more and help with high-speed roll. With the top-heavy beast the vehicle tends to roll a bit too much even with 400/100 valving all the way around. A good bit of the OBC involves high-speed sand runs and after reviewing and talking with a few of the old-skoolers the general consensus is that 2 dampers at each corner will help tremendously, not too mention it will be two dampers working half as hard vs. one damper getting the hell banged out of it repeatedly.

Pendy – Thanks for the info, I spoke with Staz and they offer some nice kit. I think the dual lockers is a bit much and pricey as well, granted I am sure it will perform but for what we are doing I’m not sure it’s really required. It we bust a tire in the event it will take FOREVER to break a dual locker down, etc…. Too be honest, from the way Norman Hall and I are building our rigs it seems that we will have quite a bit up on the competition. Not that upgrades is a replacement for experience but….a lot of the guys don’t even have long travel suspension or bead locks.

Dougal – Ok, 5 mins was on BS the rest was about sponsorship for us in the challenge and a new aluminum bead lock they are coming out with for Rovers.

Dino – Can you take a picture of your tires head on up close? I am curious to see how much the profile of the sidewall changes when mounted on a wider rim. With a skinner wheel the tire does bulge and protect….but with a wider tire and wheel you get a lot of benefits. I am a big fan of 900x16’s, I ran Power Kings for a while and loved them but a wide tire seems to do very well in sand, mud, rocks, hell, just about everything. I am thinking though at this point maybe a 13.50 is a bit too wide. If we went with a 36x12.50 on a 15x8 with 3.5” back spacing that would give us a nice square looking tire, a decent amount of bulge for protection, and the back spacing would get them out from under the vehicle to solve our immediate problem.

Pdiddy – What do you mean they’re too wide? What is your reasoning?

Bronko – Thanks for the link I finally understand, hopefully anyone else who searches PBB for “backspacing” will find this thread and hit that link. As for the wheel spacers I really don’t want to use them, I have heard horror stories of them ripping to shreds under extreme use.

Pdiddy – Uh, it’s Mr. Red Dildo to you Sir. :flipoff2: How much less than 10” wide are your wheels?

Wilsby – Damnit, here you go PT nail me. It was a typo, 13.50 is the correct size. :grinpimp:

Regards,

Just heard back from Hi-Impact Wheels:

"We have one style available in the Land Rover wheel which is the "Modular" style. We can do between 2-2.5" backspacing or 4-5" backspacing or the standard backspacing which is 4.25"."

I'm thinking 2.5" BS would be a bit much, it would probably expose the calipers and everything else... Comments?

15x12 with 1.125 backspacing. :shaking: It's a challenge truck, who cares. Solve your problems by throwing a set of 33's on it. Why do I have the feeling you are rolling on bone stock axles, and double bead locks are keeping you up at night.

Dougal – Ok, 5 mins was on BS the rest was about sponsorship for us in the challenge and a new aluminum bead lock they are coming out with for Rovers.

I wasn't laughing about the time spent. I was thinking of the other, more widely known words which fit the ancronym "BS". :flipoff2:

15x12 with 1.125 backspacing. :shaking: It's a challenge truck, who cares. Solve your problems by throwing a set of 33's on it. Why do I have the feeling you are rolling on bone stock axles, and double bead locks are keeping you up at night.

I care. Axles are stock now because the truck is sitting in the driveway waiting on quite a few more parts, axles included.

As for double bead locks I never said anything about them other than for what we are doing I think they are overkill and not needed. So no, they're not keeping me up at night...unlike other things in my house. :flipoff2: Thanks for the consideration though.

I wasn't laughing about the time spent. I was thinking of the other, more widely known words which fit the ancronym "BS". :flipoff2:

I couldn't resist.... :grinpimp:


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Dino – Can you take a picture of your tires head on up close? I am curious to see how much the profile of the sidewall changes when mounted on a wider rim. With a skinner wheel the tire does bulge and protect….but with a wider tire and wheel you get a lot of benefits. I am a big fan of 900x16’s, I ran Power Kings for a while and loved them but a wide tire seems to do very well in sand, mud, rocks, hell, just about everything. I am thinking though at this point maybe a 13.50 is a bit too wide. If we went with a 36x12.50 on a 15x8 with 3.5” back spacing that would give us a nice square looking tire, a decent amount of bulge for protection, and the back spacing would get them out from under the vehicle to solve our immediate problem.
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I'd go for the function of the truck - N.B., most rigs are extremely well set-up (I/m planning to be there soon too) - now, I'd suggest you relook at the IROKs, they'll be the best tire out there in my regards...I can send you a pic to your email...

Dino, maybe you missed it. We already have 36x13.50 IROKs and love them, they are an awesome tire so far with the expection of road wear. They kicked as in the nasty swamps of Osceola National Forest last month and I am anxious to get them out again.

- Before -

http://www.get-rhino.com/pirate/before.gif

- Semi Current -

This is an old photo, we currently have all the RTE bits hanging off the front and and the sliders installed, rear bumper is in the works. Still trying to figure out how to hack the rear cross member safely to stuff in a winch back there.

http://www.get-rhino.com/pirate/after.gif

why do you put those damn jeep flares on everything? And did you not just say you were still running stock axles? did i miss something.

Don't know, my first off-roader was a YJ Sahara... :) They allow you to open up the wells really nice and I just don't like the look of the Rangie Spares Flares. I put these up to a rig with the Rangie Spares and we had a few more inches to stuff a wider tire. Not too mention that the RS Flares aren't wide enough to cover big meats for the competition and in OZ your tires have to be covered by your flares. With that being said we didn’t want to use flat rubber extensions out the side of the rig if we didn’t have to.

No you didn't miss anything the truck still has stock axles in it along with stock gears and open diffs. We aren't really driving that much we’ve probably only put a few hundred miles on it so far as we don’t want to put all that extra strain on the ZF. And yes, I know I’m just asking for something to break hence, we don’t drive it that much right now. We took it out to Osceola last month [on the trailer] to play around in the sand and water, nothing major. We've got kit from GBR/RoverTracks coming soon along with ARB's and 4.11 gears. Once that stuff is installed we plan on really beating the snot out of it and driving every day to shake it down. I'm actually really surprised at how well [I use the word well loosely] it gets up to speed and drives with those big tires still having stock gears. Fortunately we are in a position where the truck can just sit while it's being built.

:D RedRhino...

1. Cool on the IROKs,
2. Stock axles with these tires? Where you wheeling? :D
3. I have a design for the rear winch :flipoff2:
4. better go with something more than 4.11s - Toy axles man...

Dino,

Thanks, I love em!

We are not really wheeling anywhere other than the concrete jungle between my house and my fathers. We took it out for one weekend in Osceola National Forest but it was mostly mud and water nothing hard core at all.

C'mon, share with me on the winch design..... pllllllllllllllllllllllease

As for the axles, again doing a lot of reading and talking with some of the existing champs of the challenge. It can be done and won with HD MD 24 spline setups if the driver knows the limits. Now, whether or not I know the limits is questionable but then again that is why my father is going to be doing most of the driving. :D I tend to be heavy on the foot and light on the mind while in the moment...

Does the disco have a sunroof?

Pete

It does, front and rear. On the list is removing them and riveting/bolting in plexi to drop the weight down.

Why?

It does, front and rear. On the list is removing them and riveting/bolting in plexi to drop the weight down.

Why?
Need to cover the one over the driver compartment with 2mm steel or 3mm alum don't you? For the challange.

Pete

We are going to have the external cage with a safety devices roof rack w/ flooring on top of the roof and according to what I have been told so far that is sufficent. Now, depending on what the yahoos do this year at the challenge that may change. :) Since I have been following it [3 years] it seems as though someone always does something stupid and they make a new rule. Nature of the beast I suppose.

Regards,

We are going to have the external cage with a safety devices roof rack w/ flooring on top of the roof

Ahh that makes sense. :D

9" rim with 3.5" BS or 10" rim with 4" BS
those heep flares look like ass; least you could do is use rear flares all around.

if the tires have to be covered by the flares you may need to keep that in mind when changing wheels/offset.

First off, wasn't there a 35" tire size limit for the Outback Challenge?

Second, If you think you'll have a chance in hell in finishing that event with MD axles... :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Third, If you valve the Bilstein's properly (i.e. yourself) you can play with them all day and there will be no need for 2 shocks at each corner. Ask me how I know this? The shocks valving are designed for high, low and medium speeds. You can simply remove/replace disk in the valvestack to adjust them as needed.

BTW, Jeep Flares: :rainbow:

First off, wasn't there a 35" tire size limit for the Outback Challenge?

Second, If you think you'll have a chance in hell in finishing that event with MD axles... :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Third, If you valve the Bilstein's properly (i.e. yourself) you can play with them all day and there will be no need for 2 shocks at each corner. Ask me how I know this? The shocks valving are designed for high, low and medium speeds. You can simply remove/replace disk in the valvestack to adjust them as needed.

BTW, Jeep Flares: :rainbow:


Revalvable Bilsteins? Where? How much? What sizes? Are they high pressure gas?

First off, wasn't there a 35" tire size limit for the Outback Challenge?

Second, If you think you'll have a chance in hell in finishing that event with MD axles... :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Don't laugh too much. Almost every year (apart from this year) the Outback Challenge has been won by a Range with Maxi-Drive axles. Most of the Range Rover competitors in the OBC, Rainforest Challenge, and plenty of winch challenge events in OZ run Maxi-Drive axles. I have never heard of one breaking during an event.

Don't laugh too much. Almost every year (apart from this year) the Outback Challenge has been won by a Range with Maxi-Drive axles. Most of the Range Rover competitors in the OBC, Rainforest Challenge, and plenty of winch challenge events in OZ run Maxi-Drive axles. I have never heard of one breaking during an event.

I remember one magazine article on an aussie challenge. It showed a 40 series cruiser upside down, baring it's rangerover chassis to all.

Don't laugh too much. Almost every year (apart from this year) the Outback Challenge has been won by a Range with Maxi-Drive axles. Most of the Range Rover competitors in the OBC, Rainforest Challenge, and plenty of winch challenge events in OZ run Maxi-Drive axles. I have never heard of one breaking during an event.

Maybe true, but are they running 36" tires? I thought most ran 35's and under? At least a few years ago those were the rules.

I have been following the OBC closely for a few years. Hell I've watched the DVD's to the point where they barely play. :) The top Rangie teams that also do it to it at the RFC and FI Race are running semi-mild modified Rangies with Dual shocks, MDE axles & lockers, 3" springs, 2" body lift, under protection, WARN hi-mounts, ETC…

From what I know/gather so far this type of event is far more reliant on your ability to drive your vehicle to its maximum capacity not yours. It takes a lot more skill and I think restraint to drive in one of these types of events. Don't get me wrong, there's a time to bang it through the gears but one needs to know the limits of their vehicle and the difference between bending and breaking them.

To answer your question lwg, The tire size max is actually 36.5". And as for my flares, :flipoff2:

Maybe true, but are they running 36" tires? I thought most ran 35's and under? At least a few years ago those were the rules.

OBC may still be 35" limit but the winch challenge events are 36" limit. The rangies all run 34-36" tyres from what I have seen.

"From what I know/gather so far this type of event is far more reliant on your ability to drive your vehicle to its maximum capacity not yours"

You are missing something on the DVD's Jason..
You should see Norman Drive!!! It has nothing to do with the capabilities of the truck!
Based on what I have seen, Norman's is a very typical competition driving style on Winch Challenges "The right foot remains on the floor until forward motion stops, then you jump out and hook up the winch."
I have been told that on winch challenges a couple of rear halfshafts usually go along as spares, same up front, plus a similar number of CV joints.. Even heard of spare Diffs going along for the ride.
Seems that many of the competitors spend their nights fixing what has broken during the day.
Funny how a two foot tall stack of unedited "Home Videos" of winch events will change the aspect of a challenge and what is required..

Good point Keith. Don't get me wrong I think you need to lay on the skinny peddal a lot of the time but I think certain situations take some thought and maybe even a little finesse. Maybe I'm wrong but I suppose I will see in May next year!

In any event, I think that so long as we build the truck up as strong as we can and bring spares we will at least have a heeellll-ufa-good-time!

BTW, your checks on the way! :)

In any event, I think that so long as we build the truck up as strong as we can and bring spares we will at least have a heeellll-ufa-good-time!


I think that is the attitude you need to bring.
First year, the only thing you should be concerned with is surviving the event. Winning should be the furthest from your mind.
In my experience in motorsport, it always seems like there is a bunch of rookies who think they can come in and win right off bat. The reality is they should be learning the ropes, and learning what it takes to win. Most importantly, you need to have a good time.
If this isn't until next summer.....you should come up to new england for this event...its more of a winch challenge than a rock crawl and its geared towards folks with 36 in tires and below. It would be a good way to work out the kinks, test out the truck and see different terrain. Its usually columbus day weekend(october). Tour De Rocks (http://tdr.newjo.org/) there are sample videos on this site as well as the link I posted....DVD's also available. Its a damn fun event.
A long haul from Florida, but I think you would find it worth the trip.
:edit:
Some of the info is incomplete for this year on the site, but asking question in the forum would get you the info.
Some pics at this linktdr pics (http://www.newjo.org/NEWJO/TDR/gallery/albums.php?set_albumListPage=2)
This isn't like a neuroc event or the like. 60 Acre course. Divided up into several trails. You have a set time(45 mins?) to cover as many of the trails as you can. Deductions are made for back ups, winch usage and so fourth. More than one competitor on the trails at a time...with rules dictating right of way.
Its as much strategy as it wheeling ability. It seems that wheelbases of around 100 inches seem to do ok, however the course if fairly tight and wooded, so the bigger the rig, the more difficult it can become.

Yeah, as far is winning who knows I just want to shake down the truck and like you said, survive. For us its more of a father son type bonding thing. I don't want to sound corney but that's the real deal here. My father has spent the majority of my young life, teenage years and early twenties working his tail off and this whole thing has given us a chance to spent some [overdoo] good old quality time together. Plus, you've gota admit the Disko is pretty cool. :)

That event sure sounds fun! I will look into more closely when I get a free moment. I think someone should spawn a thread on Challenge type events around the US during the year. It would be a cool resource. Is anyone up to starting it? My threads always get closed! :flipoff2:

Yeah, as far is winning who knows I just want to shake down the truck and like you said, survive. For us its more of a father son type bonding thing. I don't want to sound corney but that's the real deal here. My father has spent the majority of my young life, teenage years and early twenties working his tail off and this whole thing has given us a chance to spent some [overdoo] good old quality time together. Plus, you've gota admit the Disko is pretty cool. :)


Stop it, I'm getting misty....Is that "Cat's in the Cradle" I hear in the background? :flipoff2:

Shit no, it's Kid Rock. My old man might be well, old, but he's still pretty f'in cool. :flipoff2: Remember, you can still be highclass and be a redneck. :grinpimp:

I think someone should spawn a thread on Challenge type events around the US during the year. It would be a cool resource. Is anyone up to starting it? My threads always get closed! :flipoff2:

9V started one a couple months ago....thread not event.

I wasn't laughing about the time spent. I was thinking of the other, more widely known words which fit the ancronym "BS". :flipoff2:

Shot this sign yesterday outside of Shannon, Ireland. Couldn't resist.

http://tawayama.com/D2x/bewareofthebull.jpg

:flipoff2:

First off, wasn't there a 35" tire size limit for the Outback Challenge?

Second, If you think you'll have a chance in hell in finishing that event with MD axles... :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

BTW, Jeep Flares: :rainbow:

Most rover guys dont seem to be breaking many axles, only CV's and rover diffs.

If you want to be competitive - you cant be worrying about diffs and Cv's in an event like that - its just not possible with rover shite...
The nissan guys will have more power, and stronger diffs and axles but their CV's (GQ) are the same strenght as rover.

At least with toys you can go 30spline, which should be comparable or stronger than GU Nissan CV's.

Tyre size is 36.5 x 13.5, or 928mm x 343mm.

read this link for all info:

http://ccda.4wd.org.au/cms/index.php?name=UpDownload&req=viewsdownload&sid=31

BTW - some claws in 37' measure under the 36.5 and can be run - same as boggers but at speed they dont handle well so they are not used.

Also - the rules on cages are currently being changed / modified so i would keep checking out the updates so you can build accordingly otherwise you wont be able to race.

Might see you next year as I shall be naviagting in Nissan ( :shaking: )

Dave :D

For anyone interested in seeing pics of the 2005 OBC, have a look here.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=39577&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=330

For the first time in many years, a Rangie didn't win this year (a nissan won), in fact I think there wasn't a rangie in the top 10!

This even was apparently the toughest OBC yet, and it proved to be a real rangie killer, at least one rangie broke the chassis. Still no MD axle failures reported though!!!

RS do make a wider flare that are i think 2" wider than the standard ones.

RS do make a wider flare that are i think 2" wider than the standard ones.

Are they deeper as well for more space or simply wider?

Slade, that's a great photo.

Dave, do you happen to know if the majority of Rover guys are running MDE or ARB lockers? If so, what were they breaking in the diffs and how bad? Are we talking total explosion or knock some teeth off.. What kind of Nissan will you be navigating?

Isuzu, do you have any more info on the Rangie with the broken chassis? Where did the damage occur? I think I have a pretty good idea of where abouts but I was hoping you could tell me the exact location of the offending rocks. :) j/k

Dino, I don't think they are any deeper [if by deeper you mean being able to stuff a wider tire up higher.] As you know with the cutting you have already done there isn't much more room unless you do some fabbing on the rear door and fender well. The opening of the TJ flares seems to be 1.5 - 2" wider than the RS flares [I parked next to a RS truck and from the looks it was about that.] We couldn't go much more with out doing some serious reconstruction... We are thinking about using a different combination of front/rear fenders flares in the rear and opening up the wells a few more inches. But again, right now we are pretty much maxed out and are still managing to keep the dirt and mud outside. If we open them up further we plan on massaging the door and the matching fender liner...we shall see.

Almost everyone that I know of competing in a Range Rover runs MD lockers. But I think the british competitors usually run arb's, and I think a couple of the rangies have done the toy centre conversion and now run arb's.

To find out about the specifics of who broke what, best to read the thread I posted from outerlimits, and PM the owners of the rigs and ask them directly, you will get better info that way.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=39577&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=330

Slade, that's a great photo.

Dave, do you happen to know if the majority of Rover guys are running MDE or ARB lockers? If so, what were they breaking in the diffs and how bad? Are we talking total explosion or knock some teeth off.. What kind of Nissan will you be navigating?

Isuzu, do you have any more info on the Rangie with the broken chassis? Where did the damage occur? I think I have a pretty good idea of where abouts but I was hoping you could tell me the exact location of the offending rocks. :) j/k



Most I've seen (from VIC) run ARB's. Otherwise MDlockers withe MD carrier.
Mike smith completely exploded 2 or so diffs as the bushrangie.

With chassis, BEEF the Aframe mount, spring pearchs and control arm mounts and brace the body mounts.
Also brace the Aframe join on your diff.
These seem to be the most commonly bent/broken parts on the chassis, not only on Comp cars but in general.

At this stage I'll be in a SWB GQ partol cut into a ute.

Dave

At this stage I'll be in a SWB GQ partol cut into a ute.

Dave

Warning, newbe question :D

Whats a GQ?

Pete

It's a Nissan'ute over in OZ, very popular. Kind of boxy looks like a US Isuzu Trooper of older vintage.

Heres a Pic of Adam Bird who came 4th.
LWB GQ Patrol Ute.

http://ccda.4wd.org.au/albums/040404-XWCC_Booral/Birdy_ss10a.sized.jpg

He is running a standard 4.2 petrol 6cyl with about 260rKw
(He is some serious competition)

Dave.

Heres a Pic of Adam Bird who came 4th.
LWB GQ Patrol Ute.

He is running a standard 4.2 petrol 6cyl with about 260rKw
(He is some serious competition)

Dave.

The SWB Nissans seem to be the only stock vehicle to ramp better than a rangie.
I assume by "stock" you don't mean " straight out of the showroom".

The SWB Nissans seem to be the only stock vehicle to ramp better than a rangie.
I assume by "stock" you don't mean " straight out of the showroom".

The factory engine was a 4.2l 6cyc, but he has upgraded all unternals to get the power.

All nissans have a 5 link rear as standard so that helps but they are stil HUGEly limited by the front. A rangie front works much better.

Dave

One of the best things about the nissans is that the rear axles on most LWBs are 37 spline, about 1.7" (but unfortunately they are semi-floating), combined with strong diff centres. The fronts unfortunately are limited by the CV, which is only about the same strength as a rover AEU2522.

One of the best things about the nissans is that the rear axles on most LWBs are 37 spline, about 1.7" (but unfortunately they are semi-floating), combined with strong diff centres. The fronts unfortunately are limited by the CV, which is only about the same strength as a rover AEU2522.

They don't normally break those rear axles in challenge events. Some rears were full float (leaf sprung tray backs I think).

A lot of those challenge nissans are running the H260 GU diffs, for the stronger cw and cv's.

8 of the top 10 in the OBC were nissans - inevitable really!

I am familiar with the Patrol, had a couple in Iraq. Didn't realise the GQ was a patrol.

Trust me, in stock form they won't compete with a standard Humvee. Even with the NA 6.5 and all the added uparmor it still kicked the Patrol's ass off road. The Patrol was the winner when it came to highway comfort and top speed. Not that we were in a habbit of trying to outrun the armored gunships ;)

Oh yeah, the Patrol got better air :D Sorry we didn't get photos, didn't need the CO to have "proof" that we were trying to brake his personal ride. :laughing:

I am familiar with the Patrol, had a couple in Iraq. Didn't realise the GQ was a patrol.

Trust me, in stock form they won't compete with a standard Humvee. Even with the NA 6.5 and all the added uparmor it still kicked the Patrol's ass off road. The Patrol was the winner when it came to highway comfort and top speed. Not that we were in a habbit of trying to outrun the armored gunships ;)

Oh yeah, the Patrol got better air :D Sorry we didn't get photos, didn't need the CO to have "proof" that we were trying to brake his personal ride. :laughing:

The hummer has two lockers and CTIS, what did the nissans have - factory rear limited slip diff only? And which model patrol - GQ (the one in the pic), GU (current model - rounder shape)? Which suspension - leaf/leaf, leaf/coil, or coil/coil?