Finally got started

[Urban Wheeler]

Project "Tetanus Shot".

What I started with

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/lakescoutsmall2-1.jpg

After a three day weekend with a lot of fawkin' off and beer drinkin'. (that was always at the end of the day)
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/castle044.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/castle043.jpg

That's just the main part. We still have the frame tie ins, rear stringers and seat mounts. The seats are just sitting in there to see how it looks and fits. I wish I had more foot room. Won't be too long if this rust keeps up.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/castle037.jpg
I'll be pulling a Fred Flintstone.

Anyway, changed my mind. (again) Still gonna go with the 4.3/700r4, but not until later. Just gonna swap axles and brakes for now and try to make the trip to Moab. I just don't have the time or money to take on that project plus put a hitch on the DD, buy/build a trailer, etc.

[bassdude]

damn! i've never seen a rusty gas pedal before.

[Eagle-Mark]

Project "Tetanus Shot".
http://www.justinternationals.org/Binder-Bench/images/smilies/histerical.gif

[Shadow man]

Great color. That is the best color for wheeling. :D I personally refer to mine as the 'ANTICHRIST" every now and then. :evil:

[Urban Wheeler]

Thanks. As far as I can tell, it has been red, two shades of green, and two shades of orange. Aside from some cracks in the paint, a good buffing would make it look really good.
Now, should I paint the cage orange to match the body? Or should I paint it a color like primer grey? Most the guys I know painted their cages that color and it is nice without being too in-your-face.

[Snoopy]

Paint the cage with rust-colored primer. Keep things on the same scheme until you can paint the whole thing. ;)

I dig the cage work, but I think those seats are kicked a little to far back, I'd have to get in and try them out, so drive it out here and let me see. :D

[Urban Wheeler]

Provided I have trailer, hitch, etc and can make the trip to Moab, I'll be sure to pop in.

[JJS]

damn! i've never seen a rusty gas pedal before.

lol me neither and i live in the rust heartland. doesn't surprise me that it's on a scout. :laughing:

[Shadow man]

Provided I have trailer, hitch, etc and can make the trip to Moab, I'll be sure to pop in.
When are you planning your Moab trip? I really wish all these IH guys would get together and plan a Moab Safari. I'm SICK of wheeling with J**ps at Moab :barf: .

[Mechanos]

When are you planning your Moab trip? I really wish all these IH guys would get together and plan a Moab Safari. I'm SICK of wheeling with J**ps at Moab :barf: .
If all goes according to my current plan.... I will be there with my Scout Sept. 21-24. That trip is still out there a bit, so the master plan is still subject to a little manipulation.

[Urban Wheeler]

Late August as far as I know. I'll be out there with a bunch of Heeps.

[Shadow man]

I have a run planned with Heep buddies and some buggys around the middle of October. I know I can't run any sooner. When I know for certain, I'll post up and try to entice some fellow IH guys. :) Maybe it will rain and you will get to amuse yourself at my buggy buddys getting all wet and muddy. I know I dig it. :D

[srscout]

When are you planning your Moab trip? I really wish all these IH guys would get together and plan a Moab Safari. I'm SICK of wheeling with J**ps at Moab :barf: .
It's only 180 miles for me so let me know the next time you will be there and I will try to give you at least one more Scout to wheel with. I'm an old guy though so keep it somewhat sane.
There is another Scout in my general area ( I dont know if it is an 80 or an 800) north of me in Payson Utah. From what I have seen it looks like a spring over and 38's. I am going to try to stop by and introduce my myself the next time I am in the area.
For the most part I am in the same situation as you, nothing to wheel with but J**P's and one Sammi. Oh well I guess everyone can't have one or then the Wierdos like me wouldn't want one. S&R

[Snoopy]

Maybe it will rain and you will get to amuse yourself at my buggy buddys getting all wet and muddy. I know I dig it. :D
:( That's not nice!

[Urban Wheeler]

Well here is the almost finished product. I wanted to get some pics with the top off, but I didn't have the camera then and I don't have the top off now.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/scout80001.jpg

The cage is welded to plates on the floor in four places.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/scout80002.jpg

Looks like a really bad idea, but I have these right underneath to bolt to.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/scout80005.jpg

Top
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/scout80006.jpg

View from the rear
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/scout80007.jpg

The stuff in the bed goes right through the bed and is welded to the frame.
The fuel cell is for the future, the gas can is for the present.


We are leaving here (Fort Wayne, IN) August 12. Yahoo maps says it's 23 hours, so I figure a two day drive.

[Snoopy]

Let us know the closer it gets, I'll see if I can meet you in Moab!

[Tuffjarhed]

That sure is a purty cage!


I just got back in town. Another weekend of drunken Tomfoolery :cool2:

[Urban Wheeler]

Bring back more Fat Tire?

[bassdude]

i like the body mount into rocker protecter idea. i may have to steal it

[Tuffjarhed]

Bring back more Fat Tire?

Believe it or not, no. By the time I was headed back here, I didn't want to think about more beer! :laughing:

[Urban Wheeler]

Well here it is, a couple months later, and I haven't done a damm thing until this weekend.

Here is the "shop"

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/17a2bcea.jpg

and the Scout with SII front springs mounted in ready for the SOA front that was in my SII.


I have a month to get this ready for the next run.

regear both axles
plumb for brakes
do something for steering. Preferably the Ford box with a pump on the motor somehow
reweld spring perches on the rear axle.
add lights

I'm sure there will be more shit to as it comes time to go, there always is.

[Urban Wheeler]

I had to quit my job, so I got crackin on the Scout. First up was mount the hydroboost and brake lines. I did that, then mounted a SII steering box and shortened the column the same way Damian did on Snoopy, except I added a grease zerk.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209071&stc=1&d=1128606618
Well now I have the power steering pump mounted, I need to get some hoses run from the pump to the hydro boost and then to the steering box. Then I need to get these axles regeared and driveshafts done and I should be good to get wheelin.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=208750&d=1128462959

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=208751&d=1128462988

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=208752&d=1128462988

The front sits higher because it's on SII springs I guess. Maybe I'll have the rears re -arched.


Oh yeah, I built an actual cart for my welder.

[Binder]

Is that Z link cut and welded together? You need to put some gussets on that suka.

[Urban Wheeler]

Yeah, that is cut and welded. The only thing factory is the threaded ends which measure 1.13 OD, the OD of the tube is 1.5. I really hate the bump-steer, but I can't afford a high steer at the moment.

[Chief yelling alot]

way cool :D

[Philabuster]

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209071&stc=1&d=1128606618
Well now I have the power steering pump mounted
Your power steering pump is taking power off from the water pump pulley? You may want to re-think that. The Diesel Scouts had that same crap from the factory (when equipped with A/C), in effect, only one little belt from the crankshaft ran ALL the accesories (alternator, water pump, fan, and power steering pump). Needless to say, it was unreliable at best. :rolleyes: Way too much load for such a puny little belt. :nuke:

[Mechanos]

...Way too much load for such a puny little belt. :nuke:
That's got to be one of the most rediculous statements I've heard on here in quite some time. Look at the pump..... it's only got a single sheave on it. It always had only one belt, so does mine. It's not the belt that's the problem, it's the same size (except for overall length) as the belt that would be driving it from the crank.

I do agree that belt driving the pump should be coming off the crank, though. Instead of feed the PS pump power through the water pump, it'd be pulling power directly from the crank. The other reason is a sort of a safety reason. If you lost the water pump drive belt, it takes out the PS pump as well.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209071&stc=1&d=1128606618

Now, rip that stupid puny little Astro reservoir off your master cylinder and go to Pick-n-Pull and get yourself a real reservoir. You can moderately increase the reservoir size with a res. off of an S-10, or you can go all out and get the Big Gulp size reservoir off a full size Chevy p/u. Since I'm planning on rear disc in future, I got the jumbo reservoir to increase the volume of fluid in the rear reservoir chamber to feed the hungry calipers. GM put that rediculous little thing on the Astros because they had to clear the hood.... they got away with it because the Astros are rear drum. Since you don't have a clearance issue, you have not excuse not to ditch that puny sucker!!!

[Philabuster]

That's got to be one of the most rediculous statements I've heard on here in quite some time. Look at the pump..... it's only got a single sheave on it. It always had only one belt, so does mine. It's not the belt that's the problem, it's the same size (except for overall length) as the belt that would be driving it from the crank.

I do agree that belt driving the pump should be coming off the crank, though. Instead of feed the PS pump power through the water pump, it'd be pulling power directly from the crank. The other reason is a sort of a safety reason. If you lost the water pump drive belt, it takes out the PS pump as well.


Perhaps I should clarify my statement. The belt running to the ps pump is plenty strong. However, the belt I was referring to was the stock one coming off the crankshaft supplying power to ALL the accessories INCLUDING the extra load of the ps pump. Clear now?

I realize the 4 bangers had only one belt from the factory, but I was trying to point out that adding a ps pump to that already marginal setup was going to overstress that original belt in short order.

[Binder]

I agree with Philabuster, it's a bad setup. May work but I would be suprised if you don't have issues with it often.

[Chief yelling alot]

when I converted my pickup to PS I had the same belt setup (due to coolent tube clearance) and it worked fine, replaced the belt every 9 month. and cary a spare belt and a 9/16 and your good to go

yeah i agree its nor right but it works

[Real Blackdog]

Problem is there is no clearance to run the pump from the crank. Us 196/powersteering guys are stuck with doing it this way. I will say that I've been using this setup for about 6,000 miles with no problem. I want to go the 4.3/700r4 within a year or so, this will solve a host of problems.

[Urban Wheeler]

I do have extra pulleys on the shelf that I tried to use, but the problem was that the belt would hit the lower radiator hose. It's not a problem in the Scout II's because of the wider radiator and better angle of the motor mount, but unless I want to mount it under the alternator or low enough so the radiator hose goes through the belt, this is where it is going to be.

I have looked at 3 or 4 different setups that I can't seem to find at the moment, and one at least runs off the water pump pulley. I don't know how long this motor is going to stay in there anyway, I was going to go with a 4.3 Chebby, but decided I wanted to get in some wheeling on this motor and see how it does. (Besides, I don't have the money for the motor right now!

[Urban Wheeler]

Not much lately, except I just got a pm from a friend offering me a 4.3 with computer and stuff, so I may not get to wheel with this motor at all.

Anyway, just wanted to add to the thread that I built a front bumper with shackle points and took off the rear bumper to figure out what I want to do there, and a spare tire mount.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/scoutbumper002.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout%20build/scout084small.jpg

[ih4ever]

urban wheeler, would a hydro boost from a 1 ton cucv work as well? i would think so... good looking booster, how much more fluid would that fullsize chev, hold than a scouts? would it be able to handle the ps, brakes, and a hydro steer? while were talkin bout motors... guess what i just got. a late 80's early 90's chevy pickup, with a 350 tbi... o yeah, gonna look sweet under the hood.

[Urban Wheeler]

urban wheeler, would a hydro boost from a 1 ton cucv work as well? i would think so... good looking booster, how much more fluid would that fullsize chev, hold than a scouts? would it be able to handle the ps, brakes, and a hydro steer? while were talkin bout motors... guess what i just got. a late 80's early 90's chevy pickup, with a 350 tbi... o yeah, gonna look sweet under the hood.
I don't know about all that. I know you can mod for more pressure, and more flow, but you can't get too crazy with it because it will cause the hydro boost to suck down on it's own and apply the brakes. Mechanos had his hrdroboost warmed up by Vanco so it would work with the assist.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=402395&page=3&highlight=hydro%2A

[NVScouter]

So the front portion of your cage can be unbolted but the rear of it is welded to the frame? Did you change your mind mid build or do you can another disconnect point for the rear?

[Urban Wheeler]

yeah, kinda goofy that way. What happened was we built the hoops where we wanted them and then the sliders to match. It would probably be better to do it the other way, but this way I can unbolt my sliders if I mangle them. (not that it was planned that way.)

[NVScouter]

Well not too bad. If you ever wanted to remove the cage later you can always cut and add those same plates to the rear. Lookin good.

[Urban Wheeler]

Well, since I last updated I really didn't do much. I did get some DIY beadlocks and put them on, and shortened a front driveshaft for 4wdriveability. I still have some things to do, but I took it to Attica anyway and had a good time.

Poser ramp shots (camera phone)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/attica/10-14-06_1055.jpg

The front springs are stock SII, and don't flex a lot under the 4 cylinder.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/attica/10-14-06_1056.jpg

The rear springs are stock Scout 80, and flex nicely.

Couple trail shots.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/attica/ec79c315.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/attica/ec79c356.jpg

I broke it.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/attica/10-14-06_1357.jpg

Trying to climb a rock ledge, I could only get three wheels up. The welds on the spring perches on the axle tubes broke and the housing spun, spitting out the driveshaft. I also bent the main leaf on this side, and the shackle flipped forward. I straightened the shackle and drove out on the front axle. By the time I got back to the parking lot the spring straightened out.

This winter I'm going to swap the motor and axles for a 4.3 and a 60/eaton combo on leaf springs.

[tsm1mt]

For PS in an 800, you need to get a TRW p/s pump from a fullsize IH, pre-74.

The mount and "coffee can" style p/s pump will work out better and avoid some of those belt against the lower hose issues, IIRC.

[Urban Wheeler]

Had I known... thanks for the tip, though, I'm sure someone else can use it.

[Fix-It]

where did you get the power steering bracket from ? i have all the parts to do the same to my 67 800 but the dang adjustable bracket ?

[BLK Scout 800]

I agree with Philabuster, it's a bad setup. May work but I would be suprised if you don't have issues with it often.

Mine worked but not long until I had to dick with it. I never trusted it on 33's then I got 38's :shaking:

while were talkin bout motors... guess what i just got. early 90's chevy pickup, with a 350 tbi... o yeah, gonna look sweet under the hood.

Beener, the tbi's have a very nice system and will turn 38 14.5's on stock pump....

[Urban Wheeler]

where did you get the power steering bracket from ? i have all the parts to do the same to my 67 800 but the dang adjustable bracket ?
The curved chrome one came from Autozone, everything else is homemade.


Got me a new computer and wiring harness, just have to go through and cut out the unneeded stuff.
I have one ton axles, and used 42s on beadlocks holding from a friend. It's the little parts now.



Part 2, the rebuild.
Link (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=563918)