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I have my eye on a local 1985 toyota short bed pickup, 4x4, SFA. However, it seems sooo many people like to run jeeps. is there any reason i should not buy the toyota and get a jeep instead? I probably will just be running some dirt trails around here, im a newb, so i wont be doing rubicon w/ this or anything, but i want to get the best 4x4 for my money. However, if i do enjoy the sport as i am hoping i will, i would like to already have a decent vehicle that i could build up and make it a performer. Thanks for the input!

Try searching some. There are a couple threads debating Toyotas and Jeeps. It can depend which Toyota and which Jeep you are comparing. Try this thread for starters.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285850&highlight=toyota+jeep

Try searching some. There are a couple threads debating Toyotas and Jeeps. It can depend which Toyota and which Jeep you are comparing. Try this thread for starters.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=285850&highlight=toyota+jeep

great thread... oh and by jeep, i dont mean cherokee, i dont think those are the best 4x4, im talking about the standard jeeps, like CJ, or whatever.

if the '85 toyota has EFI you really can't get a much more solidly built small 4x4 from the factory. the only real weak links in this truck will be the birfields in the front axle(cheap to upgrade to longfields or whatnot) and the push-pull type steering. however it'll still be a lot less work to get it trail-ready than a jeep.

cjs are cool, but you gotta invest a lot of time and money into them to make them bulletproof. either spend your money upgrading a toyota, or spend your time fixing a jeep.

I completely agree with the above statement. Toyotas are much more reliable than a Jeep. There is a reason why people all over the world drive toyotas, because they never break down. I have a 1990 4runner with 300,000+ miles and the only things replaced are the clutch, starter and water pump, everything else is stock. Still runs like a dream. There are way too many lifted Jeeps in my opinion. They are getting old. Plus, Barbie drives a Jeep because Jeeps are like tampons, every pussy needs one.

Get the Yota, and dont look back.

Get a Jeep and let me know where this 85 is...

BTW, I've owned several Jeeps and several Toyota's and I MUCH prefer the Toyota's. They are much more reliable. As a matter of fact, my wife can't wait until her Jeep is paid off so she can trade it in for another Toyota.

Now back in the "good old days" when Jeeps were mfg. by Willy's Overland, they were awesome...

jeep guy here... i vote toyota. you cant beat em.

There are way too many lifted Jeeps in my opinion. They are getting old. Plus, Barbie drives a Jeep because Jeeps are like tampons, every pussy needs one.

Hahah, that quote is classic. I cant wait to tell that one to all my jeep buddies. :flipoff2:

I have one of each. Go for the Yota besides all the arguments above, they are more versatile. More room to pack gear for the trail, and you can still go to the hardware store and haul crap. Try putting a sheet of plywood in a Wrangler.

Definitely a Toyota. I've had three different jeeps, and i spent way more money on keeping them going than i did on upgrades...

Get the Yota, and dont look back.


Yeah yeah yeah.........I have a Jeep............I like my Jeep............



































(Bought my kid a Yota because I got smart)

1 more vote for the yota, just check the frame for cracks and rot and the back half, dont expect to be going anywhere in a hurry :flipoff2:

a million things you DONT have to do to a toyota to get on the trail immediately, jeeps need all kinds of driveline mods right from the start

BTW, just bought a TJ today, i just :flipoff2: myself

i ride with toyota guys...always breaking shit.....

great thread... oh and by jeep, i dont mean cherokee, i dont think those are the best 4x4, im talking about the standard jeeps, like CJ, or whatever.

eff you buddy
XJ's are where its at... cant be beat
same drivetrain as a stock tj/yj - and has the wheelbase that everyone lengthens too anyway...
4 people and gear for 4 people = no problem...

the only non cj2a jeep worht buying is the XJ in my opinion...

that said - how much is the 85?

the only non cj2a jeep worht buying is the XJ in my opinion...

that said - how much is the 85?

too much glass...not enough frame IMO

but who cares what I think...buy what you like and wheel the shit out of it :smokin:

thanks for all the opinions... im probably still going to stick w/ the yota.... im not sure on the price yet, the guy has to decide, i've offered 1500, but the thing is in pretty decent shape, so it might be worth more... we'll see what happens.

one of the two for sure.

i ride with toyota guys...always breaking shit.....

Yep those jeeps, built just like a tank :laughing: :laughing:

XJ's are great platforms depending on what you want to do with it. if hardcore crawling is what you do, maybe a full frame is a necessity. as long as the XJ doesn't have a 35 in the back, solid truck to start from. just get friendly with the sawzall :flipoff2:

Go fullsize!

Go fullsize!
my xj is full size...
full width anyway...

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I have my eye on a local 1985 toyota short bed pickup, 4x4, SFA. However, it seems sooo many people like to run jeeps. is there any reason i should not buy the toyota and get a jeep instead? I probably will just be running some dirt trails around here, im a newb, so i wont be doing rubicon w/ this or anything, but i want to get the best 4x4 for my money. However, if i do enjoy the sport as i am hoping i will, i would like to already have a decent vehicle that i could build up and make it a performer. Thanks for the input!

You have to be more specific. Your comparing th '85 Toy to what Jeep? TJ,YJ,CJ, what engine, tranny, miles, axles, etc.

I was thinking the same thing a few years back. Got the toyota and could not be happier :D

Toyota...much more versatile as mentioned above...and reliability is a the biggest reason IMO...especially when you are hours from any paved road...but anything can be built to be tough off road..but Toyota's are more than one step ahead of the pack already.

and yeah x2 on not getting anywhere to quick in a modified toyota with a 22re..but there could be alot worse problems like owning a jeep.

You have to be more specific. Your comparing th '85 Toy to what Jeep? TJ,YJ,CJ, what engine, tranny, miles, axles, etc.

i was more specific further up if you read... not a jeep cherokee, but a "normal" jeep, such as a CJ5 or CJ7 whatever... again, there are about 50 jeep models, so to be honest, i dont even know which one, but... not a cherokee... anyways...and since i dont know what jeep to compare to, you could tell me which one to get if you like. thanks.

my xj is full size...
full width anyway...

Pretty close I'm sure. My buddy's XJ is a monster and is almost as big as my FSB. He's in the top 10 heaviest on the XJ-list, I don't know his screen name though.

How many jeeps do you see broken down compared to Toyotas? I understand the jeep thing, that's why I drive a Toyota.

How many jeeps do you see broken down compared to Toyotas? I understand the jeep thing, that's why I drive a Toyota.

Yea buddy, on 31" tires. Real risk of breaking stuff on 31's :flipoff2: :grinpimp:

There is a reason why people all over the world drive toyotas, because they never break down.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:


Plus, Barbie drives a Jeep because Jeeps are like tampons, every pussy needs one.

That's real logical. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That said.....

I'd take the Toy because it's built decently and has EFI. It still has no power, but it does have good drivetrain from the factory. Jeeps are fairly weak from the factory, necessitating serious upgrades before they can really be used hard on the trail.

i ride with toyota guys...always breaking shit.....
Why dont you drive your j**p? :flipoff2:

the jeep/toyota decision was made for me do to $ reasons. if i wanted a TJ as capable and reliable as my toyota i would have spent twice as much. i am not biased towards brand, i would much rather be in a topless tj on the trail then a toyota cab...

if you put a dual case setup, a welded rear diff and some used 35'' tires on an old toyota you can run 90% of the trails in the country

Drive the pickup up a hill before you decide to by it.

Even if Toyotas have a better reliablitily reputation its still a Toyota! :barf:

Jeep all the way, the best part is I can take my wife and two kids with me on the trail. Two seats or four seats. If you have to take the kids along, go for four.

It depends on your personality, and what you find as a fun all around rig.
Jeepers all like to experience the weather when warm, or cool, to have the doors and top off ( drop the windshield down if you like) as you wheel, go to work, go to the store, wheel, cruise around town in a easy access vehicle with no permanent roof or doors to confine you in, (like everybody else stuck in a cab ) If you love the outdoors, and like to cruise around or whatever in the best 4x4 ever produced, Then I suggest you get a jeep. You will always find people with other brands of 4x4's trying to put down jeeps, making jokes because they are jealous, insecure, and such, but you will hardly ever see a jeep owner badmouthing other rigs. Bottom line, don't knock driving a jeep till ya tried it. :flipoff2:

No matter what someone builds, or wheels, its cool to see the imagination and dedication they put into that particular vehicle.

coiledCJ,

Get a load of the crap you are shoveling.

"You will always find people with other brands of 4x4's trying to put down jeeps, making jokes because they are jealous, insecure, and such, but you will hardly ever see a jeep owner badmouthing other rigs"

Almost everyone thinks their brand is the best.

You think people who own Jeeps are above making jokes about other brands? You must live alone and wheel alone.

"No matter what someone builds, or wheels, its cool to see the imagination and dedication they put into that particular vehicle"

I agree with this statement although I can hardly believe the same person made it.

You can't go wrong with both.....

When my husband and I were shopping for a trail rig - I would've considered a Toyota also but here's why I went a Jeep (Wrangler) instead:
The only obvious Toyota for us to get (at the time) would've been an 85 because it already has solid front axle under it. We didn't have much cutting/torching/welding skills to consider doing any swaps on the newer rigs.
The 85 has a 4cylinder, fuel injected, and can be a rust nightmare.

We didn't want to deal with any rust issues and we wanted something solid and easy to work on (rust). We also wanted a 6 cylinder engine.

We ended up with a 92 Jeep Wrangler with a 4.0L I6 & 45,000 miles on it. Obviously, a solid front axle under it and fuel injected.

Toyotas are GREAT rigs and are reliable (pending)......and I think they're better suited for those folks who are budget conscious and have lots of patience and time on their hands. I've seen guys build their toys and discover the frames rotting out from the inside and they either had to spend the time/money to reinforce the frame or start the build all over and trash the frame/body they currently have. I've seen Toys experience more repairs due to rust (not from part failure).

I'd rather buy somethign that is "solid" (newer with less rust issues) and build it knowing it'll be ready to wheel for years to come.

The good thing with Toyotas - you don't need to swap out the axles to run larger tires. The bad thing with jeeps - the D35 and D30 suck!! (I swapped mine out).

Im a chevy guy and dont care much for yotas but their not as common which i like more then jeeps and i have seen their reliablity and dependability for what your doing id say go for it

You will always find people with other brands of 4x4's trying to put down jeeps, making jokes because they are jealous, insecure, and such, but you will hardly ever see a jeep owner badmouthing other rigs.

Are you blind? What are all those stickers I see on almost every jeep that I drive by. "Only in a Jeep", "It's a Jeep thing you wouldn't understand". Every person that I know who owns a Jeep talks smack about toyotas and my samurai etc. I just like dish it back out because it is so much easier making fun of Jeeps. :flipoff2:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:




That's real logical. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That said.....

I'd take the Toy because it's built decently and has EFI. It still has no power, but it does have good drivetrain from the factory. Jeeps are fairly weak from the factory, necessitating serious upgrades before they can really be used hard on the trail.

Did I hurt your feelings? I'm still sticking with my comment about people all over the world drive toyotas because they never break down. It is absolutely true. Why don't they drive Jeeps through the mountains in Afghanistan and through the deserts in Australia etc? Because they are not reliable. If you don't agree with me then debate the argument instead of rolling your eyes. :rolleyes:
-Pat

Well dude, it's like this. I like a soft top, and planned to swap axles from the start, so that was easy for me. However, I would like to have an 85 Toy also. Just get the truck if you already have a line on it. If you want to run bigger than 35-36's, then you will probably have to swap axles no matter which vehicle you choose (If you play hard in the rocks that is). But if you only want 35's or 36's, go Toyota, the stock drivetrain is good for that. I'm not brand loyal at all, but I notice almost all Toyota owners are. That says a lot about the brand.
Like said already, seating more than 2, like convertible, like gay "It's a Jeep thing....." stickers, get a Jeep. Want 36's without swapping shit, get a Toyota. Hell, they're usually cheap enough you could just get both, and sell the one you don't use as much down the road. After all, why should you HAVE to choose? :flipoff2:

Edit: BTW, I have over 195,000 miles on my Jeep, still has 45psi oil pressure all day. It's never broken,(one time it was a coil) just sits on jackstands from time to time :)

Did I hurt your feelings? I'm still sticking with my comment about people all over the world drive toyotas because they never break down. It is absolutely true. Why don't they drive Jeeps through the mountains in Afghanistan and through the deserts in Australia etc? Because they are not reliable. If you don't agree with me then debate the argument instead of rolling your eyes. :rolleyes:
-Pat


X2, I really don't hear much about a Toyota Jamoree at the Hammers. That ought to tell you something :flipoff2:

Did I hurt your feelings? I'm still sticking with my comment about people all over the world drive toyotas because they never break down. It is absolutely true. Why don't they drive Jeeps through the mountains in Afghanistan and through the deserts in Australia etc? Because they are not reliable. If you don't agree with me then debate the argument instead of rolling your eyes. :rolleyes:
-Pat

Yeah - Toyotas are reliable, dependable, and a good quality product.

But.......

We're referring to trail rigs that can be 10+ years old that can sometimes be purchased for $500 - who the hell knows what that vehicle went through in its lifetime. You might as well THROW the brand reliability assumption out the window.

Don't matter WTF brand trail rig you drive - if you bought a basket case, you'll most likely always have a basket case. If "YOU" are a basket case when it comes to maintenance and repairs - your rig will be a BASKET CASE and always need repairing.

Kinda reminds me of all those people who THINK they know how to set gears. A thousand miles down the road things aren't working properly and they wonder why - but never assume it was their own doing.

If Toyota would've made their trucks or 4runners with a solid front axle, 6cylinder engine EFI, and be 1994 or newer - I'd probably have one myself.
:flipoff2:

If Toyota would've made their trucks or 4runners with a solid front axle, 6cylinder engine EFI, and be 1994 or newer - I'd probably have one myself.
:flipoff2:


It's not hard to do an SAS if you are mechanical in the least bit

Are you blind? What are all those stickers I see on almost every jeep that I drive by. "Only in a Jeep", "It's a Jeep thing you wouldn't understand". Every person that I know who owns a Jeep talks smack about toyotas and my samurai etc. I just like dish it back out because it is so much easier making fun of Jeeps. :flipoff2:

A statement that says "its a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand" is not badmouthing anyone at all :flipoff2: :flipoff2: You obviously don't understand

[QUOTE=calamaridog]coiledCJ,

Get a load of the crap you are shoveling.

"You will always find people with other brands of 4x4's trying to put down jeeps, making jokes because they are jealous, insecure, and such, but you will hardly ever see a jeep owner badmouthing other rigs"

Almost everyone thinks their brand is the best.

You think people who own Jeeps are above making jokes about other brands? You must live alone and wheel alone.

(Badmouthin)
Yup, hardly ever. Not never though, and not above either. Mainly toy boys and ford bronco guys talk the most shit. (new jeep sticker, Put up, or Shutup)

Someone who is bashes another brand is either ignorant or immature. All they can think about is standing on top of the heap and yelling loader than the next guy. This subject has been debated soooo many times. It is so last year. :rainbow: "You wheel whatcha brung."

Every brand needs to be built to be a capable trail rig. It comes down to individual taste and what you are used to. I choose who I wheel with based on their ability not what vehicle they drive.

toyata need i say more

i have a jeep and i vote yota, if i had to go back and do it all over again, thats what i would get. you can find them much cheaper, and that money you save, you can build the yota that much stronger.

jesse

:laughing:

Someone who is bashes another brand is either ignorant or immature. All they can think about is standing on top of the heap and yelling loader than the next guy. This subject has been debated soooo many times. It is so last year. :rainbow: "You wheel whatcha brung."

Every brand needs to be built to be a capable trail rig. It comes down to individual taste and what you are used to. I choose who I wheel with based on their ability not what vehicle they drive.

X2

I have both and right now and I'm driving the jeep cause the toyota is broken. :flipoff2:

I've never had a problem my 4.0 great engine. Toyotas are a lot cheaper as already stated.

Good luck with whatever you choose.