Just getting some of your oppinions you have allways been helpfull in the past. Since My broncoII has been on the market for a while and not selling a person offered to trade me his rover for it an 85" I believe a 2.5 pretty much stock. Just wondering what your oppions might be on the matter. the only thing that might hinder this trade is that its carbed and I don't know much about them and seemed to me a bit unreliable for the amount of travel I do

thanks In adavance for any suggestions good or bad


J

Is the Rover a Range Rover or a Land Rover 90 or a Land Rover 110?
The 2.5 engine is kinda week for any of those.
However if the rig is a 90 or 110 is would be a good basis for an engine swap.

Here is all I know about it:

1985 Range Rover with under 79k on it. It is a grey market vehicle, but it has a clear Ohio title.
215 V8 with dual Stromberg carbs that are going to be worked on soon to make it run right. The radiator has been repaired and no longer leaks. It has a winch/push bumper. It has a three speed auto and a 4:1 t-case. It has a level ride system and a factory hitch.

There are plenty of extra parts that have not been put on yet (most of them will). This includes inserts for the push/winch bumper, radio, tail light and right front turn signal. It might even have rear tail light wire protection, but I do not know that for sure.

thanks again "above is what I got from the person wanting to trade"


thanks
J

Ahhh the 215, thats the Rover 3.5l V-8
The 4:1 transfer case is interesting. Thats not a stock t-case. Wonder if they put in an atlas or something.

For comparisson how much are you asking for the BII?

Well I was going to take 3k the lowest.
thanks again for your help really!
jason

Less electronic wizardry on those pre-89 Range Rovers, interesting t-case ratio(if that is correct) --wasn't '85 LT-230 3.3:1 ?

I personally like the older classics. The dual carbs can be a challange to set up, but there is a bunch of info on how to do it online.
I didn't know the LT-230 came that low.
Is the rangy a 2 or 4 door?
The 2-d are much less common in the states.
Other then that I would think the rangy is probly worth 1-1500$

the dual strombergs will stay tuned pretty well. my old man has that setup in his triumph and we really can't complain. i would probably take him up on that. it sounds like more or less a turn key rig that's set up well.

thank you all!

thanks
j

1985 RR County LWB (Grey market truck) Great Divide Edition

Fully coil-sprung suspension
Solid axles front and rear, 3:92 gears, Locking diffs F/R
Rear air leveling unit is functional (very rare)
4:1 Tcase
Buick aluminum V8 (215cid) w/ only 70K original miles (dual stromberg carbs)
TF727 Auto trans
Aluminum body, no rust of course
Front Brush Gaurd/Winch Bumper w/ fairlead
Front and rear brush gaurds on the lights
Rear Class III hitch (6,500lb. towrating)
Interior is perfect!!!

Not a Great Divide, right? I thought that was a later year. The real ones were white, not a long wheel base. LWB would be 93-95? Sounds like an odd bird, maybe a mix of trucks.
http://www.comcen.com.au/~blumx/Lrov10sml.jpg

http://xs2.xs.to/pics/04111/MARWayneedited.JPG

i'll post the pics tomm of the inside and out for you guys

I can't personally see it being a "great divide" but that what he said.

Not a Great Divide, right? I thought that was a later year. The real ones were white, not a long wheel base. LWB would be 93-95? Sounds like an odd bird, maybe a mix of trucks.

The body and interior don't like like an 85. Closer to an 88-90.
The 85 has the front indicator lights in a higher position, exposed fuel filler and doesn't have wood grain across the dash.

sounds like a bunch of incorrect information to me.

1985 RR County LWB (Grey market truck) Great Divide Edition

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Aluminum body, no VISIBLE rust of course
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Edited by me.
Body structure is steel, as well as hood (bonnet).
Check A, b and C pillars and foot wellas and rear wheel wells for rust. Upper an dlower tailgates as well as rear of chassis.
In this climate and salted roads thay can be good and they can be completely rusted out.

Good luck.

I just wanted to add that the LWB was a 1990's thing. 93-95.
The Great Divide edition I thought was 89-90.
I can not find any LT-230 that has a 4:1 ratio.
Do you know the VIN?
I am starting to wonder, this thing is starting to sound like trouble.

"1985 RR County LWB (Grey market truck) Great Divide Edition"

That's a contradiction in itself...Great Divide was a US thing and grey market means it's not a US version but an off-shore model that was imported.

And The Great Divide trip was in '91 if I remember right.

I did a lot of research when I was getting ready to do a RR build in Malaysia using a Mopar 318/360 and TF727 and as I recall, the Land Rover UK application of the 727 to the 3.5L V8 used the IH bellhousing with an adapter plate and there was a real problem with lubrication of the output shaft to the LT230 resulting in a high number of failures at not very high mileage. Ashcrofts in the UK did a patch fix on this although I don't recall now the details of it. But that's something to keep in mind. I believe that Aschroft still have these.

On the T-case, doesn't Maxidrive do 4:1 gears for the LT230 ? Is it possible he did the conversion?

All in all, there is some suspect information there. It may be ignorance or poor communication, but it wants further investigation...

http://www.rrorc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=186078#post186078

http://www.rrorc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=186078#post186078


lol...that is my old RR, in fact those pics are pics i took of it of it sitting in front of my house over a year ago when i posted it for sale on a site called michiganjeepers.com

First off let me say DO NOT BUY IT, it is really an odd bird and has all sorts of problems.

when i sold it it had a bad radiator, the engine was on it's last leg, and the strombergs where beyond repair

here's the story i got from the guy i bought it from, THIS IS NOT CONFIRMED TO BE TRUE, but is what was told to me

it was imported by RR as an emitions test vehical when they where looking to open an assembly plant here in the US.
so it is a missh mesh of UK parts and parts the "thought" they were going to use on the US issues, but after testing decided to not too.

it IS a great divide edition, don't know if you can see it in the pics, but it does have all the badging on the rear. other than the Great Divide badging, it is pretty much a left hand drive version of the UK rangies (radio is to drivers left instead of centered between seats etc..) it does have a 4:1 t-case that was a homebrew ghetto fab job, not sure on the exact brand but the maxi conversion does ring a bell, however, it does work and works well. IT DOES NOT have locking diffs. front is open rear has a limited slip, that slips more than it limits..lol. the "rare" self leveling unit does work (all RR have them but most have given up the ghost), but leaks like a russian submarine, and will probably give any day now.

I believe that is enough of a warning to persuade you not to rid your BII for it, but if you still have further ?'s just ask

and just for shits and giggles, here's the link to my for sale post, the pics don't show in the post anymore since i erased them from my server, but they are the same pics you posted

http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/338102743/m/452109273/r/452109273#452109273

More then enough info for me!! Thank you very much ince I haven't seen it yet you just anwsered all my question to the "T" thanks again
j

thesearch continues for the Rover

just out of curiosity, how much was he asking for it?

not for sure, he wanted to trade for my BroncoII I was assuming cash would be in the glove box of the rover before I got it. but terms had not been set

lol....i traded a non-running, rusted out, stock xj for it, and sold it a couple months later for $1800, that guy drove 3 hr sto come get it, and it looks like he just let it sit for like a year and has finaly given up on it. I know it was a real pain in the ass to register and insure since it has a UK vin number

I ended up with with from Chubbster (sp) and traded him a XJ for it. I've had the radiator fixed and am having a friend of mine look at the carbs (he deals with exotics and will fix them if they can be fixed). If they can't be fixed, he will most likely have a pair that can be used on it that will work. OR, I will put the Edlebrock four barrel intake and carb on it while putting the other intake/carb combo in a box as "extras".

As for the info I pasted to him, I passed it along from Chubster (sp). I would've suggested to ditch the hitch system, removing it and putting it into a box for safe keeping. The motor doesn't seem on it's "last legs". It doesn't smoke, doesn't make any noise, there isn't any antifreeze in the oil and runs pretty smoothly (or as smoothly as the carbs will allow it). Can you elaborate on this??

Anyway, I would've gotten it to run right or would've pulled the offer. Also, if it irks me off enough, I'll put a 377, 700R4 and flog it at mud drags/wherever.


P.S. It didn't come with a rollerfair lead, though I do have one. As for selling it, IF it runs right, $3k is roughly what I am look out of it. If it doesn't run right, it'll go for around $1500 to a Rovie person who could use it. Of course, trades would be welcome (400 or bigger 4wd 4 wheeler that isn't shot would be considered more than a thrasher).

P.S.S. It does have a clear Ohio title now.

Yep well lets see what happens with the carbs.

I looked at it in clevelande at chubbys its in great shape.

we'll talk later

J

sounds like quite a bit of work has been done to it since i had it. I assumed since that since 1 1/2 year old pictures of it were floating around that it had pretty much just sat since themn. As for the engine, it had a really bad knock, and leaked oil like a mofo, but sounds like that must have been taken care of, it was bad enough that it couldn't be missed and there was no denying it.

if the radiator and the engine are in top shape now, and an edelbrock was swapped in (the stroms are shot, and would not be worth the cash to replace if an edelbrock conversion is an option), then it would be a great rig, it is in really good shape inside and out, other than the faded paint and bit of rust on the tailgate

wasn't trying to be an ass and ruin your sale, just trying to be honest about what problems it had in the past, but since they seem to have been fixed, i will say that you will not find an older RRC with a body in as good of shape as this one

that would be a good vehicle to restore given the history. I'm sure it wouldn't take too much work to verify some of the details with a bit of gumshoe'ing. ragging it out should it not sell seems like a shame.

sounds like quite a bit of work has been done to it since i had it. I assumed since that since 1 1/2 year old pictures of it were floating around that it had pretty much just sat since themn. As for the engine, it had a really bad knock, and leaked oil like a mofo, but sounds like that must have been taken care of, it was bad enough that it couldn't be missed and there was no denying it.

if the radiator and the engine are in top shape now, and an edelbrock was swapped in (the stroms are shot, and would not be worth the cash to replace if an edelbrock conversion is an option), then it would be a great rig, it is in really good shape inside and out, other than the faded paint and bit of rust on the tailgate

wasn't trying to be an ass and ruin your sale, just trying to be honest about what problems it had in the past, but since they seem to have been fixed, i will say that you will not find an older RRC with a body in as good of shape as this one

Are we sure we are talking about the same rig?? The engine wasn't leaking or knocking at all. Who did you trade it with?? Do you remember the VIN?? Let us/me know, just trying to figure out if it is the same rig or not. As for hampering a sale, don't worry about it. Like I said, if the thing was a POS, I would only sell it to someone who had the means to fix it/use it for parts/etc.

As for turning it into a flogger, that has yet to be seen. BUT, if it irks me off enough, it will.

I am the asshole that drove 3 hrs to get it.....funny all these details come out now. When I put the fawkin cash in your hand it was "just the carbs out of tune", now you spill the beans on a toasted motor. Nice fawkin deal you jerk off!

Well, it went to a local Rover guy that did some work on the motor, just did'nt have the cash to tune the carbs. I may have gotten the titles wrong on the descriptions due to my ignorance of the make, but you were the one who said it was owned by Land Rover of North America. I can refresh your memory on that story too if you like.

Careful what you post, even after a year. People might just find out what an asshole you are afterall!

From your Ad on Michigan Jeepers......

Quote:


1985 RR County LWB
Great Divide Edition
Front Brush Gaurd/Winch Bumper w/ fairlead (no winch, sorry)
Solid axles front and rear
Rear leveling unit is functional (very rare)
rear hitch
4:1 low range w/ locking diffs
Stock susension (super flexy)
27" AT's
Interior is near perfect, power windows and mirrors. You'd think this was a late 90's vehical judging by the interior.
Buick aluminum V8 w/ only 78,000 original miles
dual stromberg carbs
Aluminum body, never worry about major rust again.

OK the bad

carbs need rebuild, or replace to single holly or edelbrock
paint is faded in some areas and scratched off in others (but hey, you don't have to worry about it rusting)
typical dings for an 85 vehical, no real dents though
passenger side markers (front and rear) the plastic has been broken

also comes with front and rear steal safari gaurds for the lights (never put them, was waiting to replace the broken lenses)and a set of decals to replace the old ones if a paint job is done.

You will also notice the Great Divide and Country LWB decals on the rear deck. I had very little knowledge of the Rovers' and took all the stated fact as truth. I put cash in hand for the vehicle promised, and yes, drove 3 hours to get it based on those same facts. I even took the Rover without a title on the promise of it being sent. If I would have thought that any of the information passed along was not true, I would not have sold it to a friend and member of my club.

chubby
que pasa

Chubster speaks the truth, he hasn't lead me wrong to this point.

Carbs are done (cost me a couple of meals @ a local eating establishment...carbs shot my ass) and it runs okay. I will be fine tuning it over the weekend/weekends to make it run as strong as it can (afterall, it is only a 215). I'll check the level ride system to see if can be welded up or if the next owner should scrap it and the "hitch" system.

On an off note, I got the hatch to open up somewhat properly and have another set of rims (16x8 steels)/tires (255x70x16) for it as well.

The "official" LWB-badged RRCs only went on sale in the US as 93 models. The last year in the U.S. was 95 model year, most made in the fall of 94.
You could easily tell the LWB by the size of the rear door - this one is definitely not the LWB. Great Divide Edition was also (IIRC) the U.S.-only perk, and only in 91 or so like someone already mentioned. So, either the tailgate was transplanted, or the decals.

They still sell great divide decals, Roversnorth I think. Same with the other crap, you can buy most of that from somewhere. My 92 had a County sticker, but none of the county options. It was painted/reapired at some point, and I am sure they just ordered the sticker to mark up the resale :shaking:
I did not pay any more for it, but I was lucky I guess.

Badging......

They are just stickers, and to quote a frind of mine "stickers are not a mod". Hell my RR still has Vouge SE badges put on by the previous owner, but it doesn't make it run any better.

-Jeff

dude that is one of the sketchiest looking RRs I've seen in a while

i'd stay the hell away from that rattle trap

you should have no problems finding a nice running 88-92 RRC for $3k or less. If you have the patience for a rebuild, I've seen dozens of tired '88s going for $1500-1800.

I got my '89 RRC with the 3.9 in arctic blue (best LR color, IMO) for $2200... 118K on the clock, great condition, original owner.

You can get good deals on 4.6L shortblocks, and they're really not too difficult to swap in.. I did it with the help of a few buddies, and we're the twelve-pack of beer wrencher kinda guys--not hardcore like most the dudes here. Bust out the sawzall, get some used 33"s for a couple hundred bucks, and you have a pretty mean rig for what most Jeepers, etc spend on their driveline. Won't win articulation contests, but it'll go and it'll look good too.

RRCs really are the way to go.

Have you looked into Discos? For $4k you can get a a 94-95 D1 with a few miles, but like I said the Buick engines are pretty basic to rebuild, and they're almost always in good condition. I had a '96 that was an absolute champ...

Get rid of that Ford and welcome to the club :)

Badging......

They are just stickers, and to quote a frind of mine "stickers are not a mod". Hell my RR still has Vouge SE badges put on by the previous owner, but it doesn't make it run any better.

-Jeff

Haha. According to my sticker, my RR is a "Land Rover Special Vehicle."

Mmm hmmm... special.... :rolleyes: :cool2:

I think Chubby already mentioned the badging and bad info passed along to me from the owner before him. Again, if no one ends up trading/swapping me for it, it'll either get a .350 or radiacal .377 put in it (with a modified 400 to have the output shaft for the t-case) and turned into my trail thrasher until it blows up and goes to the metal recyclers.