Ok, I just put my flame suit on just in case. I know how people flame others on here, but that is what I wanted. True hard wheelers to give thier honest opinions.
I wanted a cage built for my TJ with new seats and harnesses and this is what we came up with. A friend of mine that builds cages did the work. The cage is made of 1.75 diameter, .095 wall HREW tubing. The rear goes straight to the frame, the other 4 points are tied into the frame through tubing that is welded to the frame, the last pics shows this. Also the side nerf bars are no longer there I replaced them with 2X4X3/16". I really wanted .120 wall, but his bender is manual and he said it couldnt do .120. I hope this is strong enough.

What are your thoughts?

http://www.fototime.com/AD5B2DFB0BB0334/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/DF9BA7895DB5D93/standard.
http://www.fototime.com/C2D902788F42FFC/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/8EC654DEF71AF52/standard.jpg

I like it, Looks good! :D

It looks good...But it needs more triangulation :flipoff2:

Your friend understands triangulation! :D

The only thing I see is at the tailgate area and the rears aren't tied together.....maybe lower they are?

Looks good man, nice work. I would have probably taken some of the bends out of it like this, but that's just me; Sorry for the hack job in paint I'm just jealous my cage doesn't look that good :D

Edit: Sorry about the double pic


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=190307&stc=1

Dig it totally, gonna sell'em?

Thanks for the comments so far. We wanted to make the front more straight up, but couldnt only because when the windshield is up it is as close as we could get it already.
He was going to add the rear tie in piece but he didnt because he wasnt sure if I wanted it there or not. I think we may be adding that across the rear since it isnt tied together.
I gave suggestions with how I wanted the front and the way I wanted the seats to mount, but he did all the welding and finished it while I was out of town. He did a great job.

Selling them? He is open to building cages for who ever wants them. Here is my page with the build and his number. Cage link (http://www.fototime.com/inv/072993B93FD9870)

Here is a current pic with the 2X4 sides and the windshield up.

http://www.fototime.com/2BA0718B683B600/standard.jpg

Have you tested the functionality of it yet?!? J/K Looks great man!! Looks better with the sliders now also!!

It looks good...But it needs more triangulation :flipoff2:

Hey! I finally got to test my Jeep in Tellico on Slick rock, Lower 2, Guard rail, Hellicopter pad, Rainbow rock, School bus, and Upper 2 and on some private land and the ARB compressor I got from ya worked out great. Thanks!

.95 is light, but hey your not worried right. I hate the color but your driving it not me... as far the rest it looks good.

It looks great and only one thing I would do would be put a spreader in the windsheild to keep the front from crushing down, because it WILL crush down some in a hard roll. I know it is kind of a pain to mess with the mirror and all but it may just make the difference in keeping the cage for another roll or having to build a new one.

or...


(hope you like the pink :D )

unique looking cage. you have any issues with too little head room? my cage extends above my windshield frame and even thats cutting it close, and im only like 5'8".

http://wehrs.no-ip.com/projects_pages/roll_cage2/DSCN3000.JPG

then you mounted your seats to high. I'm 6' and my cage is level with the top of the windshield. Nice work though either way.

No, no problems with head room. I was even thinking of raising my seat about 1". I am about 6' 1" tall.
As for the front spreader, that was another thing I was looking at doing. He mentioned it and we said, eh if I want to add it later I can. The V style is the way I was thinking. Maybe instead of 1.75", I could go with a smaller diameter and thicker wall so it wont impair my vision as much. Maybe 1.25" X like .125 wall?

PS. I love the pink. :laughing:

.95 is light, but hey your not worried right.

I missed that part, I would have definetly made it with less bends then(and .120). Still a bad ass lookin cage.

Yea a smaller diameter would probably be fine. I personaly did mine in 1.75" but as you can see my rear view is pretty much covered but still works alright. You can always remount the mirror on the cage.

How many sticks of tubing were used making this cage? I like the looks of it

How many sticks of tubing were used making this cage? I like the looks of it

Edit:
It was a total of 6 stix, so about 120 foot of tubing.

Yea a smaller diameter would probably be fine. I personaly did mine in 1.75" but as you can see my rear view is pretty much covered but still works alright. You can always remount the mirror on the cage.

Yeah, that looks good. I dont think the 1.75" would be bad there. If I do that I will use the .120 wall and maybe in the future replace some of the straight peices with some .120 wall tubing to be safe. I love the cage, but only wish we would have used .120 wall, even though it is braced pretty well.

I used 2" .120 wall HREW on mine, which was my first cage. Probably overkill (as stated in the build thread) but it was my first and rather be a little heavy then worry about it. The design is similar to yours, search this forum to find pics of it...I posted a thread in September or something.


This....
http://abendig.com/gallery/albums/Hammers32605FlopResults/flop.sized.jpg
caused this....
http://abendig.com/gallery/albums/Hammers32605FlopResults/IMG_1027.sized.jpg

but, that's the only damage to the cage. pretty much just dropped that one spot on flat rock. nothing tweaked, busted the windshield, bruised my buddies arm, just a couple small dents on the landing zone

.120 HREW is not overkill, it's the minimum. You guys are gonna give someone bad ideas.

I just had a buddy go over 4 times last weekend, it was a soft roll and if his cage was less than .120 he and his passengers would not be wheeling ever again. Dented the front hoop pretty good which was DOM and kinked the HREW. Not even on rocks. It doesn't cost or weigh that much more to go with the .120.

Just my opinion though :D

Looks good, but would have opted for at least .120. I used 1 3/4" .134 wall DOM for my main cage and 1 5/8" for other bars. I think my V in my dash bar was 1". I laid mine over into some rocks and put a dent in my A pillar.

http://www.midwestjeepthing.com/jeep/member/images/Bushwhacker/tirecoursesm.jpg

Bushwacker, u got any other pics of yer cage?? looks awesome

Twisted, i like the cage alot, looks really good on the jeep

Bushwacker, u got any other pics of yer cage?? looks awesome

Twisted, i like the cage alot, looks really good on the jeep


Click on my Project pics link in my sig.

wow looks like you had some fun with yer build.......thanks fer the pics

wow looks like you had some fun with yer build.......thanks fer the pics

Fun.......yeah, thats the word I keep thinking of everytime i'm laying on my back underneath it. :laughing:

.120 HREW is not overkill, it's the minimum. You guys are gonna give someone bad ideas.


i only meant i overkilled on the diameter, certainly not wall thickness. i wouldn't have gone any lower myself. i was relating my experience to show that a flop concentrated on that one area dented the .120 wall hrew. guess i didn't convey that point too well.

like i said ................FUN.................still looks like its been werth it.... in a crazy pirate build up way.... :D

I here ya. I used 1.75 .120 wall HREW for everything but the main hoops which are DOM same size and thickness. Nothing wrong with a little overkill on cages ;)

Did this in T-Bones TJ this winter.
http://www.rock-heads.com/images/TJcage1.jpg
http://www.rock-heads.com/images/TJcage2.jpg

That's a purdy cage!

Needs more triangulation! :flipoff2:

I really wanted .120 wall, but his bender is manual and he said it couldnt do .120. I hope this is strong enough.

What are your thoughts?


I think something's off if you can't bend .120 wall 1 3/4" with a manual bender. Check my sig link, I bend .120 wall 2" DOM manually all day long and could do much more. That's a lame excuse. I do suggest .120 wall for most crawler cage builds especially sizes under 2" dia. I think you'll be fine, but you might not get the amount of rollovers out of the cage you want.

Ya ,I agre . I bend 120 wall 1.750 dom with my manual bender with no problems. When your life is on the line, its worth it to spend the $3 a foot on dom vrs seemwall. Cage looks good but would have made it out of 120 dom. Get a peice of your .95 wall hrew tubing and a peice of dom ,then hit them both with a 5lb hammer and you will see the diferance. :flipoff2:

Well, if I ever test the cage and I have to rebuild it I will be sure to make it the same design and at use at least 1.75" or 2" DOM and .120 wall. I knew I would be kicking myself for not using .120, but I thought if the design was good, then I should be ok.

i like it......i need to start making a cage now.....


Keith

Great looking cage, I like it a lot!

Lame: That is a sweet looking cage.

Thanks. Making a family cage look cool is a little tougher then a 2 seater.

That is a good looking cage.

Lame I like that one as well. I really like the grab bars built in as well as the long side bars at the rear seat, we may have to add those to ours.

I completely agree with the 0.120" wall. I have bent plenty of 1.75" 0.120" wall DOM in my manual bender, though I felt like I would turn into a bodbyuilder afterwards! Maybe your friend just needs to get stronger :flipoff2:

The cage looks excellent though! Lets just hope you never have to use it in a HARD roll. I think it will hold up OK in a flop. But hey, what the hell do I know? :D

My concern with the cage would be the .095 tube. I agree with all of the other coments concerning this.

-Dan

i love it.. but im biased, cuz it looks ALOT like one I'm partial too. ;)

http://www.dana60.com/sceep/bronco/cage1.jpg

Hey twisted, looks like shit.




When we going to Hooter's again? :flipoff2:

Hey twisted, looks like shit.




When we going to Hooter's again? :flipoff2:

Kewl thanks. Yeah, Hooters was fun. :shaking:
What about ridin? You guys fell off the earth. We have been doin some great rides and you have missed out. :flipoff2:

I like it, good job.
I would have gone with thicker tubing as well. I know that there are alot of little things I learn to do different as I go.

So with all the comments. Everyone likes the cage itself but reccomends .120 wall vs .095. I too agree, but nothing I can do about it now. Anyone have any rollover pics and the damage the cage took and what size tubing was used?

With the construction of my cage and the material used (.095 HREW tubing) it should at least survive at least one good roll over right? If that is the case and I need to rebuild it, it did the job and I will build the same cage with the right stuff 2nd round.

It is better than the stock crap that was in there right? If so I have a friend that added to his stock cage and rolled his 3 times end over end and now has the same cage in the new Jeep.

Looks Great. I would however add some gussets to the frame up to the nerf bar tube.

your cage tube comes down pretty far out on it, I would just make a triangular peice that connects the outward tbe back to the frame.

Dan

Looks Great. I would however add some gussets to the frame up to the nerf bar tube.

your cage tube comes down pretty far out on it, I would just make a triangular peice that connects the outward tbe back to the frame.

Dan

OK, good points. I also thought of replacing the 3 pieces of tubing that come from the frame and tie into the side of the rock sliders with some 3/16" 2X4, then the cage can rest on the 2X4 instead of the tubing. Or is that more work than its worth and I should just add some support to it and be done? I attached a pic of what I was thinking of doing.

http://www.fototime.com/780A8F21FAB9E90/standard.jpg

If you don't mind me asking, who built it for you. I'm gonna need some cage work soon :D

Can you still run doors?

What about adjusting the seats for different sized peeps?

Looks pretty good.

If you don't mind me asking, who built it for you. I'm gonna need some cage work soon :D

Mind you askin? Not at all, matter fact he would appriciate any business, give him a call when you are ready 901-606-6683. He does great work!! You may know him and if not let him know I sent you. He is in Hernando, MS. His name is Woody (Chris) he has the Toyota, below is a pic of his rig. My cage was the first Jeep cage he built, but has done several others and has also built some kind of chasis for like dirt tracks I think. Here is a link to all my cage pics LINK (http://www.fototime.com/inv/072993B93FD9870)

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={A4B97235-714A-45B0-903A-94591A731095}

Can you still run doors?

What about adjusting the seats for different sized peeps?

Looks pretty good.

Thanks!
I decided this was going to be a trail Jeep only and the ocasional ride around town or to work if I wanted and because it was winter and the full doors were sellin like hot cakes, so I sold my doors for $1,200. BUT in order to run doors I would have had to trim the interior pannels or remove them. I can run soft doors if I wish, but my Jeep has not seen doors in a year even when I had them.

I kept things easy with the seat mounts. I could have gotten the seat brackets, and had them adjustable, but I am the only one that drives it so I made it the way I liked it and bolted them in.

I kept things easy with the seat mounts. I could have gotten the seat brackets, and had them adjustable, but I am the only one that drives it so I made it the way I liked it and bolted them in.

I agree with that. When I tied into my cage I set mine right where i wanted them. I am the only one that drives my Jeep and now the wife can't even think about wanting to. :flipoff2:

Yeah, I remember Woody from Tellico :laughing:

Dude I'm sorry but .095 wall tubing is not appropriate for this use. The cage on my buggy is all DOM 1.75 .120 tubing and it still dented real good in a rollover (and I am talkin about an 8 point cage on a single seat 2900 pound buggy). .095 is just not enough for vehicles of that weight. It probably would save you in a roll but I would triple the gussets and brace the shit of it and it may hold its shape after a roll.

Dude I think you left out the .95wall :flipoff2:

Dude I think you left out the .95wall :flipoff2:
I think you mean .095 not .95, if it were .95 that would be some thick shit a tank wouldnt be able to crush. :flipoff2:

1.75 .95 wall :) that would be solid bar ...lol

If your worried about it why not plate it? People weld heavier material to diff covers, rockers, skid plates, etc all the time.

Just an idea...take some 1.5 sch 40 and cut it to the desired length and "rip" it with a plasma in half so you get 2 C shaped pieces. A little dressing up with a grinder and a couple taps with a hammer and the 1.610" ID should slip over your 1.75" OD. Then stitch weld it to the origional tube.

Since most cages are simetric driver-to-passenger side you can use one half of the C for each side.

That will give you a total wall thickness of .24 on the outside of each streight section of tube...right ware you are most likely to have a rock dent or kink the thin wall tube in a roll over.

It would be a bit or work and might not look as nice...but a 40$ piece of pipe might let your $1000 or more cage last more than 1 roll over ;)

I like it because it gives you plenty of mounting surface for the Winch Weiner Flag!! :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: What is up :evil: :mad3:

ya .95 wold be solid ,that would be near impossible to bend,lol. :shaking: think its to late to edit