What ya'll think....

[Snoopy]

Ok I'm considering a trade for my Terra
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for this:
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Should I do it?

[CSmith]

I vote for the Terra.

[Brandon]

why?

If it's to haul more stuff I guess. 4 door is cool but that's a beast!

[Old Scout]

Is that a frt 44 in that thing??? :laughing:

[mrutledge]

Is that a Pennsylvania plate? I don't think I'd own something from the NE where they use salt and stuff in the winters.

-matt

[Diesel Smoke]

Don't you need a tow rig?? I say go for it! :D

[Snoopy]

I need something to tow with, I also need more doors for foster kids.

The plan was to sell the Terra, my Scout II and a Bronco and put some $$ down on a 2002 F350 crew cab. But then this shows up as a possible trade.

Has 4 doors, minimal rust, and old enough I can throw collecter plates on it, then FI on it and a DUI and still have an IH rig. I kinda dig the service bed, has twin 55-gallon tanks, D60/D44 w/ 4.10 gears and powerlocks, 5-speed with granny low. newer 37s, about the only down side is that its a 345 ~ I'm sure I can dig up a 392 for it if I look.

[Snoopy]

Perhaps I should clarify this WONT be for wheeling. It'll be for towing and winter driving. The Scuggy is for wheeling.

[CSmith]

I guess if you need to tow and bring a bunch of kids with you it would be a good ride.

[nwmud]

I like it!

go for the beast - Its big and IH. what more could you want?

:D

[Joe V]

If I am not mistaken, that truck is originally from cali, how many trucks from PA have a CA4WDC sticker on the windshield? Jeff Ismail originally traded it to Paul Treichel who traded it to Dooley Paula who sold it to a guy in San Diego who did not know how to work on it. That is a chevy front with chevy superlift springs. It used to have a shell on top of the service bed that resembled a 21 window vw bus. Dooley had very bad luck with the engines he put in this rig, he thru 3 of them, some used, some rebuilt. I considered buying it from Dooley at one time but I needed a DD at the time.

Overall, it is a totally bitchen truck and needs an owner that will put up with its quirks.

BTW, the truck's name is Goldie.

[Ben Segrest]

I dig the truck. That could make one :grinpimp: mall crawler.

[Joe V]

~ I'm sure I can dig up a 392 for it if I look.

Your just the guy the that should find a powerstoke for this.

[Shadow man]

You know, I am convinced now that you are spying on me. :flipoff2: I actually have a Dodge Ram Dually 350 CTD with a service bed. I REALLY like the service bed. It is great to load it with tools and parts. Even loaded I still have room. I like to leave my junk and tools in the truck, locked up. I'm probably going to add a Crane, air compressor, gen set and other goodies on mine. It is a great support rig. Once all of these other wheelers find out about these great service rigs, they will be getting scarce. As you can tell, Im VERY pleased with mine. They are great. :)

Did I tell you how great a service truck is? :D

[Snoopy]

Engine trouble eh? Do you think it was the driver? Do you think the engine thing is worked out? I'd hate to get an engine that 'finally' lasted...its a 345 now, out of a Scout II.

[ChiScouter]

I say trade, it would probably be a lot easier to find another terra than a rig like that

[Joe V]

It was owner error then rebuilder error then just bad luck, it just started getting old after a while so he sold it...I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

Just get it, you have the talent to find something that'll stick.

[Snoopy]

Who did the lift on it?

[Joe V]

Who did the lift on it?

Dooley.

[Snoopy]

Overall, it is a totally bitchen truck and needs an owner that will put up with its quirks.
What kind of quirks does it have. Its current owner told me of the t-case mounts needed replacement, and a slight driveline vibration. Do you know anything else?

[rfrankb4]

Id do it. The body looks good has huge gas tanks and a cool bed. What could there be wrong with it that isnt fixable easily with junk yard parts and the ih stuff you are sure to have laying around.

[dukguy]

I saw that truck on ebay a while back. I think it's cool. If you don't end up trading I want it! :flipoff2:

[GRMhick]

I dig it. If you think the price is right, jump on it.

Then start looking for a totaled power stroke, and swap the motor in.

[Binder]

I bet there's a reason for those two huge gas tanks.

[IHREDRIDER]

I say trade, you can always find another terra. My 13 year old son says trade too, and he has a terra.

[budget76]

i'd trade in a heartbeat. it would be superior in towing, and i had been drooling over that truck on ebay a while back :cool2: :smokin: :smokin:

[Snoopy]

Wifey OK'd the trade as long as the pictures pass her inspection.

[Joe V]

Wifey OK'd the trade as long as the pictures pass her inspection.

Excellent, I'll be looking forward to seeing your IH Tow Rig thread in the near future.

[Urban Wheeler]

Hummer This!
I think it's bitchen! The only thing that comes close would be the purple CXT with gold graphics I saw yesterday.

[ihojeff]

I miss that truck. Sure has changed a lot since when I traded it off to Paul. Was bitchin then and is still bitchin now. For some reason no one could keep an engine in it so far. Bad luck or ??? I couldn't tell you but it sure is a head turner. Get it Damian and fuel inject a 392 for it or powerstroke it. If I can find my old pics of it I'll scan them in and post them up.

[Mechanos]

Forget the Powerstroke..... drop a 6BTA in it!

[JustinL]

i may be able to get you a f550 that was wrecked in the rear and totaled at around 200 miles :smokin:

[srscout]

I don't know Snoopy----- That Terra is WAY nice. I would think before I made the trade.

[Snoopy]

Wifey saw the pictures, first words out of her mouth were:"Its ugly"


followed shortly by: "Go ahead and get it"

My son followed up and stated, "Oh yeah, get it!"

Looks like I'm going to accept the offer as long as the details can be worked out.

[Snoopy]

For some reason no one could keep an engine in it so far. Bad luck or ???
Do you think I should be worried?

Get it Damian and fuel inject a 392 for it or powerstroke it.
Would you have a 392 block I can *borrow*:grinpimp:
If I can find my old pics of it I'll scan them in and post them up.
:cool2:

[reuben]

it prob. has 2 55 gallon tanks because it will only get about 6-8 mpg while towing. well that is what my 1210 with a 345 gets when towing my scuggy.

[Snoopy]

Reuben,

What kinda mileage do you normally get without towing? What's your setup? What powertrain and gears and stuff.

thanks

[Snoopy]

More

[Snoopy]

;)

[Snoopy]

The late 60s and 70s ~ I just don't understand WHERE they got the color combo's

[Joe V]

The late 60s and 70s ~ I just don't understand WHERE they got the color combo's

Maybe from dropping too much acid?

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[ihojeff]

Do you think I should be worried?


Would you have a 392 block I can *borrow*:grinpimp:

:cool2:

I wouldn't worry. Just bad luck with the truck. Hell when I first picked up the truck it caught fire on the freeway(left the tcase brake on). Fortunately we had just stopped at the liquor store and had to put out the fire with our freshly purchased 12 pack. When I got Goldie it had the original engine which ran good but leaked oil real bad. I traded/sold Goldie to Paul who reringed the engine but still had problems. He then sold it to Dooley who from what I heard lost 2 or 3 engines in it. From that point I lost contact with the truck.

I only have a couple of 392 I/C cores.

Anyone know what happened to the camper shell?

[Eagle-Mark]

Another bonus as a tow rig is that utility bed looks like one I had years ago. They were specially made with a cab over camper in mind. Most utility beds are to high.

[Hammerlock]

Even with a 392 it's going to suck for pulling your Buggy, parts, and gear up I70. A newer CTD or PS will pass you like you're standing still. Get the F350 if you can afford it.

[ScoutIITD]

I'd swap in a heart beat!!!! :cool2:

I vote NO on the Powerstroke, but yes to a 7.3 Turbo diesel. It would suck getting all the wiring right. The 7.3 turbo's can make really good power too. I'd also look at 12 vavle Cummins. What ever diesel you install you'll need a dana 60 front end and I'd swap the dana 60 rear for a real one ton rear axle. Dana 60's in rear's of full size working trucks can spread the case easy wiping out bearings and gears.

The bright side of running as it is is the lack of payments and that will buy lots of gas just ask one run paint job Tom about that. :p

I love my crew cab, but it's a 97 GMC.

[dukguy]

I say trade and then sell it to me. :flipoff2:

[Shadow man]

I'd swap in a heart beat!!!! :cool2:

I vote NO on the Powerstroke, but yes to a 7.3 Turbo diesel. It would suck getting all the wiring right. The 7.3 turbo's can make really good power too. I'd also look at 12 vavle Cummins.
I have the 12V non intercooled, non overdrive in my Rig. Fully loaded and pulling my Scout I average 13 MPG towing at 75MPH. Installing the Cummins is the only thing Dodge did right. I have had it up to 7700 ft so far towing and it doesn't effect it at all. With the earlier 12v engines the injector pump has manual adjustments. So when I tow I turn the wick up. :D Pity the fool next to me on the passenger side. BOMBED!! :nuke:
On a side note, I :nuke: a ricer so bad while taking off, he had smoke rolling out his passenger window!!! Keep those windows up. :)

[ihojeff]

Here are some pics from when I had it.

[ihojeff]

Some of the interior and engine compartment. Let me know if you want to see more as I have a few more.

[Snoopy]

I gotta say, it looks a lot better now with the 37s.

I still don't know why they put that blue interior in it.

Thanks for posting the pictures.

[ihojeff]

I gotta say, it looks a lot better now with the 37s.

I still don't know why they put that blue interior in it.

Thanks for posting the pictures.

It definetely looks way better now. It was cool before in its own unique way(ugly) but has always been a badass truck. I only had to look thru almost 1000 photos before finding these scattered here and there. Didn't realize I had so many pics. It did bring back some fond memories of my past rigs which I'll post in another thread.

[NVScouter]

I like it. If your staying with the IHC theme either that or a Travelall.

Now Dukguy plz send a link to where I can see more of that chic in your avatar!

[Binderman]

Anyone know what company had this truck build? Power, logging,etc?

The so called camper top looks like it was intended for something other than camping. The number and height of the windows make me think the top and the service bed had a specific job.

I may be crazy??

As for trading,,,, I probly would!! How many scouts have you owned?? How many could you buy if ya wanted tomarrow? How many trucks like that one have ya seen or owned? :D

Make the deal!! If ya end up not liking it, Jeff seems to be have seperation issues about it. :)

Wish ya luck!!

[darren y]

I want that truck!! now i got an idea what to do with my 69 crewcab!!

[harkinoff]

I say keep your Tera and let me buy the 4 door.... I'm looking for a 4 door something and that rig is COOL..

[Snoopy]

UPDATE: Currently in negociations.

[ihojeff]

So you know pulling a trailer this rig is LLLLLOOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG!!!!!


Found another pic towing my totaled 76' Terra back to the shop in late December 1996.

[Snoopy]

YEOWWW~! The poor LITTLE terra on the trailer is DWARFED behind that thing! :smokin:

It's going to be freakin' awesome. I can't help but picturing the Travelette the way it is with Rusty on a trailer behind it! :eek: :cool: :grinpimp:

[Sully]

That rig is fawking awesome.

But 37's are fawking stupid for a tow rig.

I'd drop it a few inches, put some 265/85/16s on it, clean the fucker up a little. (You say you won't wheel it, but unless you pretty it up to where you don't want to scratch it, you know you'll wheel it and fawk it up.)

[Snoopy]

Maybe when the tires wear out.

I'm planning on making it pretty no matter what ~ I'm hoping to find a color that matches the interior better. I couldn't even fathum wheeling something that enormous. I mean, as long as a Sherman Tank is in front of me, blazing a trail, I don't think it'd fit down most trails I would frequent.

[Sully]

Maybe when the tires wear out.

I'm planning on making it pretty no matter what ~ I'm hoping to find a color that matches the interior better. I couldn't even fathum wheeling something that enormous. I mean, as long as a Sherman Tank is in front of me, blazing a trail, I don't think it'd fit down most trails I would frequent.

Back when I had my "newish" dodge full size, I swore I'd never wheel it either.


Somehow I still managed to get bashed in tail lights and arizona pin striping down the sides.

[Snoopy]

Ok maybe some light wheeling....:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[u2slow]

Your just the guy the that should find a powerstoke for this.

x2

That Travelette has the Terra beat. I wish I had a box like that on my Ford.... okay, maybe the IH sheetmetal too :D

[TERRA-IZER]

Cool looking truck, you better get it Damian. Forget LT265/75/16's with those 4.10's. My 72 1210 was wound pretty tight with those short tires and 3.73's going down the highway. 285's or 315's would be good

[djm1558]

Damian,
My 96 F-250 crew 2wd pwrstroke has the 285's and it's fine for the street. You need the meat! :nuke:
Dave

[Snoopy]

Scheduled pickup Sunday in SLC, UT.

[Snoopy]

Cool looking truck, you better get it Damian.

Glad you aprove ~ I'm hoping to get you, or one of your students, to help clean it up for paint ~ I know you're schedule is crazy ~ but what'd'ya think? :grinpimp: :grinpimp:

[tsm1mt]

You know you want it.

A Travelette is WAY cooler than just about any Terra.

Seating is much larger than any Scout based rig. Much more comfortable, and adults don't hit their head on the ceiling when they sit in the back seat. Bonus, four doors.

Keep your eyes peeled for a 60/14-bolt combo to roll under it and you'll be set. BIG BRAKES are a good thing on the tow-rig.

I agree with the others, I'd drop it a little for a tow-rig and run tires that are a little cheaper, plus cut down on the wind resistance.

OTOH, get some 22.5 for it.. :D

When I drove my hot-rod Travelette to the BinderBash last year, empty, I got 10mpg at 75mph.

I get 6.75mpg at 75mph towing my loaded trailer.

I can pull just about any pass in Montana in top gear.

I didn't go through Vail n' such last year, so I can't say how much I had to downshift on 'em. I did downshift coming in from Grand Junction, but that had as much to do with boiling the fuel out before I could burn it as anything else.

[Snoopy]

i may be able to get you a f550 that was wrecked in the rear and totaled at around 200 miles :smokin:
Are you serious? My old employee is a dual-master-certified Ford tech with a master in Desiel Technology, the Army brought him back to work on their heavy equiptment and I couldn't compete with the pay they offer. However, he said he'd help me put on in....

Hum.... PM me.

[Sully]

Scheduled pickup Sunday in SLC, UT.

Fucker, I'm jealous. :flipoff2:

[Snoopy]

...I'm jealous....
That's the only reason I'm going to get it! :evil: :p ~ oh, and to copy Shadowman.

[Mechanos]

If you are intending this thing to be a serious tow rig, then you definately need to follow up on the diesel leads.... you just can't beat it for a tow rig, especially on high mountain passes. There's no loss of power with altitude like you get with a gasser.

While the P-joke isn't my personal choice for a diesel powerplant, it's certainly a better choice than a monster, guzzling gasser for a serious tow rig.

With the diesel, you'll want to swap that 44 out for 60F and while your at it, put a matching 14-bolt under the rear. For towing, you'll definately want to drop the tire size down a bit (something like 33's or so) to regain sidewall stiffness. Go for a load range E tire.

That thing with dual stacks coming right behind the cab (maybe cut into the front of the service bed) would be sick as hell. Maybe one of our more accomplished photo-choppers can chop in a pair of stacks..... :flipoff2:

[Diesel Smoke]

That thing with dual stacks coming right behind the cab (maybe cut into the front of the service bed) would be sick as hell. Maybe one of our more accomplished photo-choppers can chop in a pair of stacks..... :flipoff2:

Crappy Chops, but what the hell!

[Mechanos]

:laughing:
Those are just a wee bit on the "way too fawking massive" side. :flipoff2:

[Snoopy]

Stacks are out. Sorry.

[ScoutIITD]

Stacks are out. Sorry.]

Thank you!!! :barf:

They're so gay on a pickup, but if it was a 1600 or larger then they are great.

[Sully]

]

Thank you!!! :barf:

They're so gay on a pickup, but if it was a 1600 or larger then they are great.


I've always said that if I win the powerball, I'm building myself a daily-driver El-Camino on 44's, with stacks, and a confederate flag for a tailgate. Every body panel will be a different color of primer.

I'll get all the ladies when that happens.

[Snoopy]

Sully, you're not from AZ originally are ya ;)

[Creepy196]

Do the trade Damien. Rot free Travelettes are the one IHC rig that seems to be plated in gold where prices are concerned. I dig the service bed. It's the perfect height to accept a slide in camper. That's what I've been planning on using on MY Travelette!

I'm planning on swapping out the 392 for a turbo 6.9/7.3 IDI diesel. Gas doesn't make sense for a tow rig.

[tsm1mt]

I'm planning on swapping out the 392 for a turbo 6.9/7.3 IDI diesel. Gas doesn't make sense for a tow rig.

Sure they do.

Gas motor costs.. well.. free.. came in the rig.

Gas motor gets 6-8mpg, so that's "expensive"

Diesel motor could top 10, so it's cheaper to operate.

Buy a good-used diesel? $1-2k or more, right? Plus the time/effort/cost of the conversion.

But it gets 2-4mpg better, so that'll pay off in the long run, right?

12mpg @ 2.50/gal @ 10,000 miles = $2,083 in fuel.
6mpg @ 2.50/gal @ 10k = $4,166 in fuel.

So after 10,000 miles of towing, the diesel will have paid for itself, assuming 6 vs 12.

My gas 345 used to get 10mpg towing, though it wasn't the fastest.. and towing at 75mph uphill I still get 6.75mpg out of my gasser 392..

[Snoopy]

The PSD in a 94 F250 got 14 towing and more driving around without a load. Most people I've talked to get near 20 MPG out of the turbo desiels while they are out and about.

Cost of regular is $2.00 per gallon down the street, I think deisel is $2.20
So 10,000 miles, getting 14, at 2.20/gal = $1571
10,000, getting 8, at 2/gal = $2500

So I guess the thing is, get and do the swap for cheap, or is just won't pay off. However, when it comes to an every-day comparison. The 3000 mile wheeling trip to AZ last Feburary would have cost $470 in deisel and $750 in gas. That's $300 less if you have the deisel. It simply means I have to save more for long-distance wheeling trips.

[Snoopy]

Here's the thing. I'm picking up the Travelette at the SLC airport at 10:30 Sunday morning. I'm going to B-line to a gas station and fill it to the brim with gas ~ yes, I'm re-fi'n my house to pay for the gas (:eek: ~ JK). I'm then going to drive the mapquest suggested route back to my house in Colorado Springs. At which case I'll fill it back to the brim and find out how many gallons it took to do the 600+ mile trip. With any luck, it'll be close to 10mpg and I'll be happy.

Another question that should be asked is weather or not a TBI system is worth the extra expense. If I put a DUI system on the Travelette it'll cost me $500 ~ and may net me some more MPG... If I then put a TBI on top of that, it'll cost me $950 ~ and may net some more MPG.

There's $1500 in costs ~ trying to get more BANG out of my long-term buck. What kind of mileage could I expect out of that engine? Anyone have a clue? An idea? I'd hope for 12-14mpg ~

I really don't know what that travelette will get ~ and that worries me.

The problem is, I could have bought a CTD with that $1500. I'd have to pull my tanks and have them boiled/cleaned out, and convert my whole freaking thing to deisel ~ which will have a price tag associated with it as well, but will I be better off doing it?

:confused:

I guess we'll have to sit and wait. I'm eager/scared to get home with it and find out exactly what mileage it gets. I guess we'll find out sooner than later ~ eh?

[tsm1mt]

The PSD in a 94 F250 got 14 towing and more driving around without a load. Most people I've talked to get near 20 MPG out of the turbo desiels while they are out and about.

Cost of regular is $2.00 per gallon down the street, I think deisel is $2.20
So 10,000 miles, getting 14, at 2.20/gal = $1571
10,000, getting 8, at 2/gal = $2500

So I guess the thing is, get and do the swap for cheap, or is just won't pay off. However, when it comes to an every-day comparison. The 3000 mile wheeling trip to AZ last Feburary would have cost $470 in deisel and $750 in gas. That's $300 less if you have the deisel. It simply means I have to save more for long-distance wheeling trips.

If I were driving my truck every day, mileage would be a much bigger consideration.

I've toyed with buying a new F350 and getting "better" gas mileage.. but then I remember that while "the trip" may seem less expensive (less fuel, duh) I'll have $600 less in my pocket overall for the month, which, while "the trip" won't be as expensive, it will be harder to find the fuel money. :D

Sorta makes the $470 diesel fuel bill harder to pay than the $750 gas bill.. since $1,070 is still more than $750. :D

Granted, we're not talking about a NEW truck, just a repower, so the cost isn't so extreme.

I still think it would be COOL to have a 7.3 IDI in a Travelette, and there are benefits beyond just mileage.

Whether it's practical is a coin toss, but it definitely would be a cool thing to have when it was done.

FWIW, With "all" of the towing I do, and a few occasional trips to town, I'm pretty sure I put well under 6,000 miles a year on my Travelette.

One trip to RMIHR + Moab logs a bit over 2,000 miles in a month, and then anywhere from 120 to 600 miles per race trip.

[tsm1mt]

With any luck, it'll be close to 10mpg and I'll be happy.

There's $1500 in costs ~ trying to get more BANG out of my long-term buck. What kind of mileage could I expect out of that engine? Anyone have a clue? An idea? I'd hope for 12-14mpg ~


I think 10mpg is a pretty reasonable expectation, unloaded. I managed close to 10mpg towing in both my Travelall with stock 392 and my Travelette with TIRED 345.

For that matter, my Scout II with a 345, when towing, would get 8-9mpg, too. The 345 T'ette actually did a little better than the Scout.

I think 12mpg is achievable driving empty. Maybe even more, though with the altitude of your T'ette, keeping the speed down will probably net a good improvement (another reason to lower it). I've actually considered an air-dam on my 2wd T'ette...

Fuelie would be a boon for you just for the altitude changes and adjusting the mixture. Mileage improvements would be a freebie bonus. :D

I'm contemplating injecting mine with hopes of seeing more than 6.75mpg. I'll try changing the secondary springs first to keep the secondaries from opening until a little later and see what improvement that nets me.

The "advantage" to injecting/DUI vs. a CTD swap, to me, is the scope of the project.

You can inject it over a weekend and be done with it.

I doubt you could do the CTD swap and be DONE with it over a weekend.. or a month of "free time" to work on personal projects.

Which means the T'ette will sit for a few months while you're making it "better" and during that time... no tow rig. ;)

[chris408]

Nobody has mentioned how diesel oil changes take more $$, and much harder to work on. I would rather inject my 392...:)

[DNL]

I have almost this exact truck, longbox 1200 Travelette with 37" tires, 5-speed, 4.10 gears, 392 with ported heads, and dual pattern Isky cam. I get just a hair under 10 mpg, all the time. Doesn't seem to make that much difference if I am towing or not. It tows fine, I am swapping the T-34 (OD) for a direct 5th tranny soon, since the 37" tires make my 4.10s act like 3.55s.
Dave

[Diesel Smoke]

and much harder to work on.

Really??? How do you figure??

Edit: quoted the incorrect portion

[Snoopy]

Carl,

PSD and CTD take GALLONS of oil, not quarts. IIRC, the PSD we used to barrow took 12 quarts in Rotella T each time we changed it. Change intervals are the same as a gas engine as well.

[Snoopy]

I have almost this exact truck, longbox 1200 Travelette with 37" tires, 5-speed, 4.10 gears, 392 with ported heads, and dual pattern Isky cam. I get just a hair under 10 mpg, all the time. Doesn't seem to make that much difference if I am towing or not. It tows fine, I am swapping the T-34 (OD) for a direct 5th tranny soon, since the 37" tires make my 4.10s act like 3.55s.
Dave

Thanks DNL ~ that helps me feel better. This rig's got a 345 not 392, so I may get a little more/less. I think this rig has the direct 5th gear (no OD)....so that may help, may not. whouldn't make much sence to have an OD if you can't/don't use it.

Does your Travelette have a granny first?

[Diesel Smoke]

Carl,

PSD and CTD take GALLONS of oil, not quarts. IIRC, the PSD we used to barrow took 12 quarts in Rotella T each time we changed it. Change intervals are the same as a gas engine as well.
Edit: Quoted the wrong part above
Preeching to the choir here!! My little SD33T takes 12 quarts as well with an oil change interval of 3000 miles. My Dad's Cummins does, my sisters and my best bud Jeremy's does as well, but they get 5000 or more on the interval. I don't see this as "harder to work on" infact, now that I have John's handy dandy spin on filter adapter I can change my oil in about 20 minutes. Course that is just me:D.

Personally I think a diesel would be just the thing for that rig, but the time and money it would take to convert, you may want to see what you can do for MPG in the mean time. After all I know a little project you want to work on that could used a worked over 345 with a DUI dizzy and FI (cough ROCKBINDER cough):flipoff2:. I think Tom's numbers on towing are a bit low. Infact when I towed last year with my Dad's 12 valve coming back from Naches hauling Big Red (5000# Scout on 2000# trailer) I got right around 17 and did 65-70 the whole time. Now most of us don't haul like Tom, but if your just towing a Scout or Scuggy or whatever, you will be getting better then 10 with your truck.

[tsm1mt]

I think Tom's numbers on towing are a bit low. Infact when I towed last year with my Dad's 12 valve coming back from Naches hauling Big Red (5000# Scout on 2000# trailer) I got right around 17 and did 65-70 the whole time. Now most of us don't haul like Tom, but if your just towing a Scout or Scuggy or whatever, you will be getting better then 10 with your truck.

I was thinking of the bigger 7.3L V8, not the I6 Cummins.

The Cummins seems to get VERY good mileage. The 7.3L does OK, but from what I gather it comes up short compared to the Cummins on economy.. but then, it's bigger. :D

Sort of like wondering why a 454 might get a little worse mileage than a 305.. :D

[Diesel Smoke]

I was thinking of the bigger 7.3L V8, not the I6 Cummins.

The Cummins seems to get VERY good mileage. The 7.3L does OK, but from what I gather it comes up short compared to the Cummins on economy.. but then, it's bigger. :D

Sort of like wondering why a 454 might get a little worse mileage than a 305.. :D

I sometimes forget the V formation diesels:D!! If Snoop is going to go with a diesel I really think a 12 valve Cummins would be the way to go.

[Mechanos]

...I really think a 12 valve Cummins would be the way to go.
I concur.
I personally have a 24 vavle Cummins (that's what came in the truck), but for a re-power of an older rig, the 12 valve would be just the ticket. At 5.9L it may be smaller than the 7.3L PSD or the 6.6L DM, but I'd put mine up against either one of them any day. I'm not talking about drag racing or any of that crap.... I'm talking about plain and simple getting the job done and mechanical reliability over the lllooooooooonnnnnnnnnngggggggggg haul.

Yes, it takes 11 quarts of oil w/ filter when I do a change, but remember the oil in a diesel is also used to cool the cylinders, so more volume is necessary. I change mine at 7500 mile intervals, but oil analysis shows that I could go even longer if I really wanted to. An oil change costs me about $35 for 3 gallons of oil and a Fleetgaurd filter (I won't use anything but a Fleetgaurd on my Cummins) so that comes down to $0.0047/mile. Are you really going to argue about such a miniscule cost of less than half a cent per mile for oil changes?

With my 6600# 4WD CTD, I get 19.7 mpg running empty on the highway. Around town, I get 17 mpg. Towing milage varies with what load I'm hauling and what terrain I'm hauling it over, but seems to average somewhere around 14 +/-.

IMO, the all-around power and torque output of the diesel(I'm putting out an estimated 300hp/640ft-lb at the flywheel), peace of mind associated with pulling with a piece of equipment that was built specifically with that purpose in mind, not to mention the exileration of putting your foot into one of these beasts, is more than worth the few dollars you guys are arguing about.

Oh yeah, when it comes to wanting a low rpm, torque monster for towing, I'll take my diesel in a straigt line over a V configuration everytime.

[Shadow man]

I have a 12v CTD in my dodge. The truck weighs over 8,000lbs. I get over 20 mpg in the CITY, 13 mpg towing my scout with the tow rig loaded with everything. Altitude and steep climbs don't really slow it down. It does not lay down like a gas rig going up hill, even at altitude. Torque, It ROCKS!!! That is one thing no one has seemed to mention.
I will never go back to a gas tow rig.
I'll let a secret out of the bag. I looked a CTD rigs only to purchase. They are somewhat expensive to purchase as you know. Because my tow rig has a Maintenance box on it, no one wanted to buy it. I only paid $2,500 cash. :flipoff2: So when you guys look for a diesel tow rig, look for one with a box on it and save some bucks. :)
As far as oil changes. I change the oil in my Vette more than the truck and it cost about the same as my CTD. 6.5 qts synthetic in the Vette.

Sorry Mech, you did mention torque. These 14 hour days have been tough. :)

[Mechanos]

I have a 12v CTD in my dodge. The truck weighs over 8,000lbs. I get over 20 mpg in the CITY, 13 mpg towing my scout with the tow rig loaded with everything. Altitude and steep climbs don't really slow it down. It does not lay down like a gas rig going up hill, even at altitude. Torque, It ROCKS!!! That is one thing no one has seemed to mention.
I will never go back to a gas tow rig.
I'll let a secret out of the bag. I looked a CTD rigs only to purchase. They are somewhat expensive to purchase as you know. Because my tow rig has a Maintenance box on it, no one wanted to buy it. I only paid $2,5000 cash. :flipoff2: So when you guys look for a diesel tow rig, look for one with a box on it and save some bucks. :)
As far as oil changes. I change the oil in my Vette more than the truck and it cost about the same as my CTD. 6.5 qts synthetic in the Vette.
Amen, brother.......
pssst.... I mentioned torque in the post directly above yours :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

[ScoutIITD]

As much as I love my two diesel rigs if you look at the $$ it's getting harder to justify them, but they are mine and a new rig would be $$$.

Things to conside besides what has been mentioned concerning a diesel swap.

Fuel lines you will need a return line

Fuel Filter: I run two on both my diesels

Fuel heater (Diesel Gells and will plug the fuel filter)

Lift pump controled by oil psi so if you roll it it will shut off

Air filters you need a Huge one

Either glow plugs or a intake heater grid

If you intake it you have to exhaust it

Noise you'll need to insulate the engine compartment or you won't need a radio because you won't be able to heard it.

Radaitor you need one at least as big as the donor had

Fuel tank filler necks you'll need them from a diesel or you'll never fuel at a truck stop unless they have an auto sized diesel pump.

Batteries either run two or get a one big battery no a group 31 is not big.

If you do swap in a diesel I'd buy a whole truck and all its componets.

[chris408]

I think you guys should take a peek at this 392 "tow rig" build up page i found...

http://www.off-road.com/ih/jweed/392_bld.htm

[Mechanos]

I think you guys should take a peek at this 392 "tow rig" build up page i found...

http://www.off-road.com/ih/jweed/392_bld.htm
That page has been out there for years...... and is nothing most of us haven't seen/heard before. I have an injected 345 and know what it's capable of. I also have a 24V CTD and know what it's capable of.

I think you need to go drive a turbo'd diesel with 10,000# behind it up some steep inclines in moderate to high altitude. There really is no comparison. I have not heard you present one single diesel fact base on your personal experiences, but rather you're just regurgitating the same hearsay and conjecture you've read from others in your position.

[tsm1mt]

That page has been out there for years...... and is nothing most of us haven't seen/heard before. I have an injected 345 and know what it's capable of. I also have a 24V CTD and know what it's capable of.


My 392 is cooler than Willies. :D Then again, he doesn't even have that engine any more.. or the one he built after it..


I think you need to go drive a turbo'd diesel with 10,000# behind it up some steep inclines in moderate to high altitude. There really is no

*I* don't want to go drive a new diesel.. because I really don't want the payments - I'd rather just think my gasser works great, thank you. :D

As long as I don't know any better, I'll be content. :D

I know everyone loves the Cummins, and I know you can buy a new IH with your choice of Navistar, Cummins, Cat, Detroit, etc.. but the 6.9/7.3 would look like it belonged in an IH truck.. heck, it even says "International" or "Navistar" on the valve covers and you don't have to go about grafting it in.

:D

[Pacific]

Why do you like a Fleetguard on a Cummins over another brand? Just curious. I sell Wix and we have used them on my dad's '96 Dodge CTD without any issues.

Thanks.

[Mechanos]

Wix is a great filter and would be next choice if a Fleetgaurd wasn't available. Fleetguard is a division of Cummins and I know the filters are very high quality and are made for the Cummins by Cummins. Just my personal preference.

[Creepy196]

Thanks DNL ~ that helps me feel better. This rig's got a 345 not 392, so I may get a little more/less. I think this rig has the direct 5th gear (no OD)....so that may help, may not. whouldn't make much sence to have an OD if you can't/don't use it.

Does your Travelette have a granny first?


All of the T-series five speeds have "granny" firsts. Two of them have 6.21/1 firsts (close to a T19s 6.32/1). One has a "super granny of 7.17/1.

These are the ratios:

1)T34 6.21, 3.43, 1.81, 1.0, .82(OD)
This is the tranny I have. The OD is nice, but the rest of the ratios are too "gappy" for good towing. It's also the one with the "wierd" shift pattern as the overdrive range occupies the possition used as fourth gear in the other five speeds. This tranny would work great in a Travelall or a pickup that doesn't see heavy towing duty.

2)T35 7.17, 3.96, 2.36, 1.41, 1.0
This tranny is like having a C/R T19 PLUS a "super granny" gear. I've never seen a T35 FACTORY installed in a light line rig. It's not in my owner's manual either. It's common in Loadstars. This would be a rockin' five speed to use with a divorced doubled up NP205/203 combo in a bobbed shortbed pickup, or maybe a Terra/Traveller.

3)T36 6.21, 3.43, 2.05, 1.225, 1.0
This is the other five speed I've seen in L/L rigs. It's most likely the one in "Goldie". This is the prefered IH five speed for towing.

When I swap a turbo 6.9/7.3IDI diesel into my Travelette, I'll probably end up using a 2WD Ford T19 (4WD Ford diesels have married trannys/TCs) with a Gear Vendors overdrive. I could use a T35 bellhousing from an MV404/MV446 gasser equipped medium duty truck when doing the swap (MVs have the same block bolt pattern as the IDI 6.9/7.3). I could then use my T34, or a T36. The Ford setup is MUCH more common however. A GV/T19 combo would also be more "truck-like" when towing (enhancing the cool factor) :grinpimp:

At least that truck already has a disc brake OPEN knuckle D44 in it. My "big ball" closed knuckle D44 gives this 164" WB 20' long behemouth the turning radius of the QUEEN MARRY!!! :eek: The D44s are adequate from a load carrying point of view UNTIL you start towing a big trailer AND carrying a big slide in camper (or wheeling the beast).

I'm going to go straight to a D60 because I DO intend to carry a big honkin' camper when towing the Scout(s). A D70 from a one ton IH 4X4 pickup would handle the weight, and can be converted to discs (it's been done). However, the turning radius will still be CRAPTASTICALY large and these beasts need all the help they can get in that department.

The way I figure it, I'll have maybe $10,000-$15,000 TOTAL into my dream diesel Travelette after it's COMPLETELY pimped out. That's MUCH better than making $700.00 monthly payments on a new $45,000+ Ford in my book (no Damn computers either!) :D

Sure the diesel conversion will take a WHILE to pay for itself in fuel savings. However, in terms of towing ability, convenience, enjoyment, and the afforementioned Cool Factor, I think I'll be money ahead. That's what I meant by "making sense". Also, at least around here (northern CA) Diesel fuel prices are MUCH more stable than gas. I won't have to deal with MTBE softened hoses anymore either.

I'll be buying an IDI 6.9/7.3 equipped Ford pickup to use as a D/D and tow rig while I do a tub swap on my Scout II (current D/D) and work on my Travelette (and gather swap componants). Once the Scout II is back on line, and the Travelette is prepped for the swap, THEN I'll yank the IDI diesel and related goodies from the Ford for the swap and part the rest out.

[Urban Wheeler]

Oh yeah, when it comes to wanting a low rpm, torque monster for towing, I'll take my diesel in a straight line over a V configuration everytime.

Could you explain this please?

[Mechanos]

Could you explain this please?
What's one thing you can do to a V8 to increase it's torque output??? Stroke it. The longer stroke generates more torque. The I6 has a longer stroke than the V8's. The longer stroke also means it takes longer for one cycle to take place which results in a slower RPM engine. The I6 has gobs of low end torque and a fairly narrow RPM range.... kind of like a tractor or locomotive that just chugs out the torque.

Ask some of the guys driving Fords with 300 I6.... they'll lug down a bit and just keep chuggin'. Most V8's have to be higher up in the RPM band to keep putting the power out.

Again, this is a personal preference which some people may not agree with, but I've driven V8's and several different I6 engines over the years, both gas and diesel, and IMO, the I6 is hard to beat for use as a tug.

[TERRA-IZER]

If i was to repower it the cummins in a 12 valve would be the way i would go. I have owned both ford diesels and dodge diesels and i prefere the ride and fell of the Fords bodies but the Cummins is far better then the 6.9-7.3's, so the next ones will be dodges. Better milage, better torgue, less parts. My 99 2500 4x4 24 valve gets 19-20 unloaded and with a loaded 18' car trailer gets between 16-17.5. I haven't got to drive my 93 250 12 valve much but from what i have heard it should get in the 20's. Both trucks are 5-speeds and 3.54's.

[tsm1mt]

2)T35 7.17, 3.96, 2.36, 1.41, 1.0
This tranny is like having a C/R T19 PLUS a "super granny" gear. I've never seen a T35 FACTORY installed in a light line rig. It's not in my owner's manual either. It's common in Loadstars. This would be a rockin' five speed to use with a divorced doubled up NP205/203 combo in a bobbed shortbed pickup, or maybe a Terra/Traveller.


I swapped a T-35 from a Loadstar into my Travelette. I have the 7.17:1 crawl gear PLUS the nice spacing of a close T19 for towing.

Very nice.

'cept I built enough motor that the gears almost feel too closely spaced. :D

My tow-rig is going to be geared lower than my trail rig once I get the NP205 hung..


radius of the QUEEN MARRY!!! :eek: The D44s are adequate from a load carrying point of view UNTIL you start towing a big trailer AND carrying a big slide in camper (or wheeling the beast).


OR if you put a big heavy diesel up front.

My IFS T'ette sits with 3200lbs on the nose empty.

A Dana 44 is rated for ~3500/3600lbs.

Add the extra weight of my 4x4 conversion in, and I'll be close to the 3500lbs mark give or take.

Sounds OK, until you consider putting a camper in the back, or pulling a gooseneck and you quickly realize you're going to exceed 3500lbs on the nose.

..so the 4500lbs Dana 60 is the obvious choice, and I also expect my turning radius to improve with a king-pin '60 over the A-arm IFS.

My buddy's even started putting the gears in the 60, so there's a chance this swap may happen in my lifetime yet..

[Joe V]

Damian,
Just get it over with an buy my 1st gen 12v ctd 727 w/od np205 d60/d70 DD. :grinpimp:
I got 17-19mpg last weekend towing an empty car hauler trailer from Paradise CA to Phoenix AZ. Think about it and let me know.

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10009/TowRig.jpg

[Snoopy]

Alright, to bring this saga to an end. The rig gets 12 mpg right now (11.97 if you really want to be picky). The CTD is still in the cards, but its in the future and I mean distant future.

I need to replace the enigne mounts (already on the way), and correct the driveline angles in back as well as get a new shaft for the front. I should have everything drive-train related taken care of by that point. Then I can focus on body and paint. I want this thing to be near-restored looking w/out compromising the 'tougher-than-you' attitude it seems to spew on any rig around it. :D :D

Oh, and as :girly: as it can be, the first 'mod' I did was to remove all stickers and replace them with a single 'Xtreme Offroad Mag' sticker on the rear window (just like the Terra) and new full-wrap window tinting. :shaking: :grinpimp: :shaking:

[Sully]

Damian,
Just get it over with an buy my 1st gen 12v ctd 727 w/od np205 d60/d70 DD. :grinpimp:
I got 17-19mpg last weekend towing an empty car hauler trailer from Paradise CA to Phoenix AZ. Think about it and let me know.

http://www.4x4shots.com/albums/userpics/10009/TowRig.jpg

I kind of like that rig!!

Too bad I couldn't justify the purchase right now. :(

[Shadow man]

Snoopy, So, how do you like all the TRUNK space? :) Pretty cool huh? :smokin:

[Snoopy]

Dude, trunk space is a think of the past ~ I've got a scouts-worth of storage back there. The first morning I had it I decided to take an old couch to the dump, I put it back there WITH a D44 rear axle AND the front driveshaft off this beast. The couch was like 1 foot away from the axle at all times. It was freakin sweet.

On the way back I got spray'd by a gas station filler thingy, got on my jacket ~ I took it off and threw it in the storage bay, no gas smell and it couldn't blow away.

The PO gave me a bikini top from his Scout for the Terra, it was laying across the rear seat and I needed to take my son and our new foster kid home so I took the bikini top and put it in another storage compartment. Fit fine, didn't even fold it over, just rolled it up!

[ihojeff]

Damien,

I read somewhere else that you said the tranny was shot. That thing had a bad 3rd gear synchro when I owned it. Surprised that out of all the owners this truck has had nobodies taken the time to have the trans rebuilt. Those 5 speeds are simple to rebuild and rebuild kits and synchros are readily available. Otherwise the truck doesn't sound like its got any more rust then it did before. It didn't have a driveline vibration when owned it so it must have something to do with the lift????

[Snoopy]

I read somewhere else that you said the tranny was shot. That thing had a bad 3rd gear synchro when I owned it. Surprised that out of all the owners this truck has had nobodies taken the time to have the trans rebuilt.
You know scout owners, if it aint broke.... I mean, you didn't ~ why should anyone else? ;)

Those 5 speeds are simple to rebuild and rebuild kits and synchros are readily available. Otherwise the truck doesn't sound like its got any more rust then it did before. It didn't have a driveline vibration when owned it so it must have something to do with the lift????
Ya, the rear axle is setup for CV but doesn't have a CV :shaking: ~ then someone in the past LOWERED the carrier bearing's crossmember, so the joint coming out of the t-case is off ~ so I'm sure that there is some vibrations coming from the first half of the rear driveshaft as well :(

I'm planning to reset the perches and keeping the non-cv shaft in it. There should be enough length there I can get away with a non-cv. We'll see.

[Joe V]

How about an update on your beast.

[Snoopy]

The beast is still kicking. Its a DD, and is driven EVERY day. I had to pull both gas tanks and have them flushed. I undercoated under them while they were out. Now I carry 60 gallons around with me most of the time ~ I also have a 5-gallon can in one of the back compartments, just in case. So far the adverage in-town gas mileage is 8.5 with a top of 9.2 and low of 7.5 (carb was not running very good). I have to fill it every 3-4 weeks (depending on how I drive), and it max's the $75 limit on the pay-at-the-pump thing every time (for each tank). :eek:

This thing is a beast, and I get 'thumbs ups' from tons of people. Old people approach me at the gas station all the time, and the young bucks stare. Its cool.

After driving it for the first month, the front springs settled and started collapsing against the frame. I put in some lift shackles and that took care of the problem. Rides much better now, much smoother. It'll do 80 pretty easy, but the engine is revin' at that point. So I usually keep it at 65-70.
Now that the snow is starting to fall, I'm glad to note that the heater works well, just wish it would warm up faster ~ oh, and its COLD BLOODED.

I've started making plans for the interior and suspension as soon as Rusty's done. It needs the insides re-done. The seats are OK and the dash is clean, but there is no carpet or insulation and the aux guages and wiring are needing some serious re-working. I'm going to re-do the dash completely with a special dash conversion to go with Autometer stuff, then go with painless wiring through the whole rig.

Body work: I'm going to have Chris (Tera-izer) do the body work on it when he's done with P5. I think the biggest thing I want him to do (besides filling all the holes) is make all the body panels fit flush again. I think I'm going to go with red on the paint, with black accents. I think I'm going to keep the 37s. I like them. I do want to go with a nice 16 or 17" Aluminum wheel (weld racing) and put new rubber on it.

DriveTrain: I have Joshua (Munchies) building a nice 392 for it. It'll be TBI/MPFI. At that time, I'll have Mark (buddy of mine) rebuilt the 5-speed. I'll also put in new CV shafts at that time since the axles are set-up for them ~ and they aren't. :shaking:

Suspension: I think I've decided on a custom 5-link front end and 05 F350 lift coils. Actually more like a 2-link but the uppers links will be off the lower links. I figure the 392 and PSD are about the same wieght, so it the coils should work.

I know, these are grand plans, and it'll take a ton of time to complete it, but that's the latest.

[Mechanos]

I still say that if you're going to be doing any appreciable amount of towing with thing, especially through the mountains, you should SERIOUSLY consider dropping a diesel under the hood. :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

[Snoopy]

I'd like to....but the PSD is too complicated and the Cummins isn't IH.

[Mechanos]

...the Cummins isn't IH.
You're right, it isn't IH...... it's better! :evil:

Just like those fancy Autometer gauges aren't IH.... they're better.

Just like that new Painless wiring harness isn't IH.... it's better.

Just like the Weld racing wheels aren't IH.... they're better.

Just like the 5-link front suspension on '05 F350 coils aren't IH... it's better.

On all these other points, you've realized that the IH stuff is either outdated, lacking or deficient, or a combo of both so you're upgrading. Pull the IH blinders off and realize that for serious towing, the IH mill is outdated and deficient (not saying it's not capable of the job, just not the best suited piece of equipment for the task). Now if you were doing a restoration, that's one thing, but you're already deviating from the 'all IH' theme, so why not consider a non-IH component that's going to have the most impact on the truck's towing ability. JMHO.....

[Diesel Smoke]

I'd like to....but the PSD is too complicated and the Cummins isn't IH.

You've been able to get a Cummins in an IH since the 50's. It's a factory option, just like the SD33's are.

[Creepy196]

I'd like to....but the PSD is too complicated and the Cummins isn't IH.

IHC has used Perkins, Cummins, Cat, Detroit, Nissan and other diesels as well as their own engines in many of their trucks.

If you do want to stay 'all IH' then there's always the IDI 6.9/7.3L :D
I have it on good authority ;) that they'e great engines, especialy when turbocharged!

[Creepy196]

Beat me by two minutes Carl! :flipoff2:

You've been able to get a Cummins in an IH since the 50's. It's a factory option, just like the SD33's are.

[Snoopy]

Attack!!!!!

[Snoopy]

Alright you Wackos ~ I'm seriously considering putting a CTD in it. Gas mileage around town is like 8 sometimes less, sometimes more. took it on the freeway and its now getting 10 (denver and back). Cruises at 75 no problem though ;)

I wanna go IH, but I'm having a great dilemma over going with the 392 or the CTD. I have a scout guy in town that has a CTD he'd sell me for less than it'll cost me to rebuild/tweak the 392. I think I'm going to start looking around for a complete truck. Most likely a dually since that's the direction I want to go on it.

If anyone has a line on a decent running CTD Dually (91 era) I'd be interested.

[dukguy]

Go CTD, you will not regret it.

[Mechanos]

Now you're talkin'. The first time you pull any sort of decent grade with a load behind it, you will not regret the CTD decision. I suggest you register at DTR (http://www.dieseltruckresource.com) (it's free) or TDR (http://www.turbodieselregister.com) (gotta pay) and hit the classified and other forums. Pre '91 will be non-aftercooled (I think '91 might also be non-aftercooled or a mix of both). '92 to '98.5 will be mechanical (no computer) and aftercooled 12 valve. These are cheap and easy to mod to get a little extra or crazy extra power out of them. The early years in that range will have a rotary pump (Bocsh VE) injection pump, but they can still be modded pretty cheap and easy. The later years in that range have the inline P series pumps and cheap and easy to mod. Definately look for a stick, stay away from the Getrag tranny in the early years and if you get an earlier NV4500, be sure to address the 5th gear nut issue.

Snoop, give in to your emotions.... the dark side awaits you.:evil: :evil:

[Eagle-Mark]

Hard to argue against a CTD but there is an IH 7.3 turbo in many furd trucks that bolt to a t-19!

[TheCopperCowboy]

Does it have to be a 4x4? There's a dually flatbed 4x2 farmtruck for sale in Bennett. Looks clean from the road. :D

[Mechanos]

Hard to argue against a CTD but there is an IH 7.3 turbo in many furd trucks that bolt to a t-19!
Why would you want a T-19 when you could have an NV4500 or NV5600... both with overdrive. Actually, if you talk to Cummins, they have adapter rings that will bolt up to the 5.9L with all sort of different trannies. T-19 is a good tranny, but for a tow rig i'd think you'd want something with overdrive.

[u2slow]

There ain't no such thing as a cheap CTD around here... even if its just the engine. You can buy a complete F250 4x with an IDI-turbo or PSD with that money instead.

Why would you want a T-19

To the untrained eye, it's a $50-100 cast-iron lump of a trans with 4 usable gears. Supposing your tow-rig has a transfer case, the lack of a granny-low 1st is a moot point IMO.

[binderbound]

I thought this truck had been traded off for some other pile by now!good to see its being used.

Go cummins!you will not be sorry.I love my 02.even though its a lemon and a dodge,I still enjoy passing gassers on the long hills...and that's with me towing and them empty!

Diesel smoke can vouch for me!

What ratio are your axles going to be?you gonna run the NV tranny or something else?my biggest bitch about my 5600 is its super fast in reverse.everybody says just shift into low range but the truck starts hopping and bucking on any type of firm ground.oh well,that's all. Other wise its awsome.

[ScoutIITD]

Does it have to be a 4x4? There's a dually flatbed 4x2 farmtruck for sale in Bennett. Looks clean from the road. :D

The divorced transfer case on the IHC full sizes makes this a possiblity.

The other thing would be to get a CTD/7.3 complete with the trany and transfer case and use the front case as a doubler and maybe even a front PTO winch because the IHC front axle has passenger side diff.

[Mechanos]

Well, I see someone here must have taken ofense to one of my posts. I guess they didn't agree with my opinion and just deleted my post without comment.

[Diesel Smoke]

Well, I see someone here must have taken ofense to one of my posts. I guess they didn't agree with my opinion and just deleted my post without comment.

Mech,

There was a big database failure and they lost 21 hours of post and PM's from some point yesterday, that could be the possible cause.

[Diesel Smoke]

On December 1 at about 11:30PM we were attempting to troubleshoot some database issues when we had a catastrophic database failure.

As a result, we had to reload the entire bulletin board off of a tape backup from November 30, at 3:00AM. Therefore everything between November 30 at 3:01AM and December 1 at 11:30PM has been lost. This includes posts and PMs.

We appologize for the inconvenience.

Lance and Bill

[Creepy196]

Well, I see someone here must have taken ofense to one of my posts. I guess they didn't agree with my opinion and just deleted my post without comment.


Nope. The Database took a dump last night and again this morning. ALL posts and PMs over a 24 hour period or so went adios!!! :eek:

I had put a post on this thread that's gone too. I also lost some PMs with important contact info (as did the people on the 'other end' of the PMs)!

You'll notice NO posts from yesterday in ANY threads.

Check out the ChitChat forum. It's under "Massive DB Falure" or something similar.

[Creepy196]

Jeeze Carl...

You slipped in TWO diferent posts in the time it took me to type mine and submit it! :eek:

[Mechanos]

aaahhhhh...... that would 'splain it.

[Mechanos]

aaahhhhh...... that would 'splain it.

[Mechanos]

aaahhhhh...... that would 'splain it.

[Diesel Smoke]

Jeeze Carl...

You slipped in TWO diferent posts in the time it took me to type mine and submit it! :eek:

I come from a family of three and usually a few big dogs, there's the quick and the trampled:flipoff2:

[ihochad]

Here are some pics from when I had it.

That is me under that wheel well, I am really glad this went to a good home and is getting the attention it deserves. That is a seriously cool truck. We hads grand plans for it but life happens. Jeff and I used to sit in lawn chairs on top of the shell and watch the races at the track next to the old shop. Man that brings back memories. Please keep the updates coming on this thing. :smokin: