View Full Version : Hydro Assist on the Cherokee....
74_Chevota
06-08-2005, 01:58 PM
Well my brother has been wanting hydro assist ever since he got the full widths and 38's and we just got it finished in time to go to windrock last weekend (check the general 4x4 section for pics of the weekend). He decided to go all out and get the PSC box and get the ram with lines and fittings and tabs ready to weld on. I can get him to tell you more details when he gets back in town but for right now he wanted me to post up some pics of how it went.....
After seeing his in action, it wont be long till the cruiser gets hydro'ed. :D
74_Chevota
06-08-2005, 02:00 PM
The 90 deg. fittings worked out perfectly...
74_Chevota
06-08-2005, 02:02 PM
decided to go off the BTF Diff cover. Dan and the guys at BTF make a pimp cover BTW.
74_Chevota
06-08-2005, 02:05 PM
Ram and lines mounted up...
74_Chevota
06-08-2005, 02:08 PM
one to show the vehicle it was mounted on... :D
Very nice Sam. I'm researching hydro for my MJ right now. Something tells me the stock box, 42's, and a heavy ass D60 with Detroit are not going to work well together.
Did you guys stretch the WB in the XJ? That's my main dilemma right now. I'm running a 120" WB and I'm not sure if the stock box location is going to let me have a draglink that is going to run to a good location on the highsteer arms... Looks great man, take care, Judd
Well, I'm a numbnut. I looked at the pics again and saw he is running a LA setup. Guessing he is running the axle in the stock location... Judd :)
74_Chevota
06-08-2005, 02:38 PM
well the front axle it about 2" forward so he could run the hy-steer set up correctly. But it sounds like you have a little more than a 2" stretch. :D When you comeing back down to wheel with us?
Sam
bigredjeep1
06-08-2005, 04:03 PM
Looks good. How's it all working and what axles did you run? I'm looking into getting hydro assist on my 91' XJ with 37" MTRs hp44/9" detroit f/r.
74_Chevota
06-08-2005, 07:30 PM
Looks good. How's it all working and what axles did you run? I'm looking into getting hydro assist on my 91' XJ with 37" MTRs hp44/9" detroit f/r.
Mac is running a HP 44 front with dutchmen shafts and bobby long u-joints, FF 35 spline dana 60 rear with disc brakes and detroited F/R with 5.13's and 38" TSL's. This last trip to windrock he said it was amazing how much difference the assist made. The funny thing is it actualy helped the on road driving as well and works to keep the tires true going down the road. One small disadvantage is that at stand still if you try and turn too fast you can have the steering box outrun the ram and you have to wait for the ram to catch up. Not a big deal but you should be aware of this if you plan on purchasing this type of setup. All in all it seems to be a great buy.
So how much did that setup cost him? It looks nice- is he going to make a skid for the ram? Looks a bit like rock bait....
74_Chevota
06-08-2005, 09:36 PM
So how much did that setup cost him? It looks nice- is he going to make a skid for the ram? Looks a bit like rock bait....
Yea he is definatly going to make a skid for the ram but we finished it at 2 in the morning the day we were leaving for windrock so no time to do a skid. I believe the ram, lines, fittings, and tabs were something like $225 or $250? As I said I dont know exactly but I will make sure when he gets back in town to give details.
well the front axle it about 2" forward so he could run the hy-steer set up correctly. But it sounds like you have a little more than a 2" stretch. :D When you comeing back down to wheel with us?
Sam
Man I'd love to make a trip down this fall. Work is really hectic right now and fall would def. be a good time. My rig and my brother in law's rig (Jay that you met last summer) will both be ready by then. We'll have to talk, I want to come back sooooo bad. Later, tell Mac I said hi... :flipoff2:
Yea he is definatly going to make a skid for the ram but we finished it at 2 in the morning the day we were leaving for windrock so no time to do a skid. I believe the ram, lines, fittings, and tabs were something like $225 or $250? As I said I dont know exactly but I will make sure when he gets back in town to give details.
Heck ya man let me know. That set up looks rad, and from what I understand the WTO redneck set up is like $500 in order to have them tap and rebuild your box. SO, if it is cheaper to get this ram and stuff from PSC, I will go this route! I guess we need to know how much the box is. So, make sure to let us know.
josh
Madbull
06-09-2005, 07:03 AM
well the front axle it about 2" forward so he could run the hy-steer set up correctly. But it sounds like you have a little more than a 2" stretch. :D When you comeing back down to wheel with us?
Sam
Do you have any more pictures of the bracketery on the front axle? I'm kind of doing to the same thing on my TJ and just want to see how you did it. Thanks.
85GAJEEPCJ7
06-09-2005, 07:13 AM
Heck ya man let me know. That set up looks rad, and from what I understand the WTO redneck set up is like $500 in order to have them tap and rebuild your box. SO, if it is cheaper to get this ram and stuff from PSC, I will go this route! I guess we need to know how much the box is. So, make sure to let us know.
josh
I think he was saying that the Ram, hoses, and fittings were 250 only. The box will be more. WTO still would be cheaper, or you could do a DIY one if you are a cheap ass like me. :D
ashmanjeepXJ
06-09-2005, 12:12 PM
Very nice Sam. I'm researching hydro for my MJ right now. Something tells me the stock box, 42's, and a heavy ass D60 with Detroit are not going to work well together.
Did you guys stretch the WB in the XJ? That's my main dilemma right now. I'm running a 120" WB and I'm not sure if the stock box location is going to let me have a draglink that is going to run to a good location on the highsteer arms... Looks great man, take care, Judd
Im running the stock box ported for a 1.5X8X.75 ram, stokc PS pump, 42s and welded front and rear for about a year. the box will hold up if the frame is plated.
I also mounted my ram to my plated diff cover. My diff cover bolts fall out all the time. I lock tight them too. Eventually Ill move my mount to something else. Its just a hassle troquing them all the time but it works.
Ken Carter / BRUISER
06-09-2005, 12:24 PM
Hey guys,,
came out looking real good.
I also have a ram and love it :)
chris demartini
06-09-2005, 07:21 PM
Looks good. How much for the box?
XJ_ranger
06-09-2005, 07:53 PM
here is another similar thread if anyone is looking for one down the road:
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=55711
bigblacktj
06-09-2005, 11:12 PM
After doing this do you still need to run a steering stablizer for on the rode or will this take away the need for one. If anybody has pictures of it being done a tj I would love to see I know xj, tj and all of them are about the same but isnt the xj steering pump differnt than tj and for that reason I wanted to see where you needed to drill and tap on a tj.
BrettM
06-09-2005, 11:24 PM
After doing this do you still need to run a steering stablizer for on the rode or will this take away the need for one. If anybody has pictures of it being done a tj I would love to see I know xj, tj and all of them are about the same but isnt the xj steering pump differnt than tj and for that reason I wanted to see where you needed to drill and tap on a tj.
hydro assist acts like the world's best steering stabilizer!
I have hydro-assist and keep forgetting to put lock washers on the mounting bolts, so the other day one rattled all the way off on the highway. fortuneately I was only a few miles from home because as soon as the assist came off I had MAJOR death wobble. checked my alignment today and I had the 35s toe'd in about 1 inch! amazing that it was invisible with the assist on.
XJ_ranger
06-09-2005, 11:27 PM
hydro assist acts like the world's best steering stabilizer!
I have hydro-assist and keep forgetting to put lock washers on the mounting bolts, so the other day one rattled all the way off on the highway. fortuneately I was only a few miles from home because as soon as the assist came off I had MAJOR death wobble. checked my alignment today and I had the 35s toe'd in about 1 inch! amazing that it was invisible with the assist on.
YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
74_Chevota
06-10-2005, 07:51 AM
I was saying 250 for the ram, hoses, fittings, and tabs. The new box that has already been drilled and taped will be more but i am not exactly sure of the price. When I do my own I will most likely just drill and tap my box but my brother has to go all the way. :D
Brett: I think that may be the reason his drives so much better on the road now. No shimmy in the steering wheel or anything of that nature.
bigblacktj
06-10-2005, 08:50 AM
still looking for pictures of TJ steering box drilled.
apeters89
06-10-2005, 09:05 AM
check the tech department, there's a whole write up of tapping steering boxes.
chris demartini
06-12-2005, 02:49 PM
Looks good. How much for the box?
Well??? How much?
JiveTurkey
06-12-2005, 03:52 PM
www.pscpowersteer.com
CHAOTICBASTARD
06-12-2005, 03:58 PM
I heard PEP BOYS installs the Hydro assist systems for under 80 bucks,You are all fucking stupid for spending so much,Trust Manny Moe and Jack :cool2:
Kryssi_Lee_5150
06-13-2005, 12:52 AM
I heard PEP BOYS installs the Hydro assist systems for under 80 bucks,You are all fucking stupid for spending so much,Trust Manny Moe and Jack :cool2:
Um... Your baseball? May I ask where you're from?
Krawleryota13
06-13-2005, 09:06 AM
Holy Bumpsteer Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Drunk tank
06-13-2005, 04:16 PM
Ha... hommie needs to work on that trackbar bad! Could it be any farther from where it should be???
74_Chevota
06-13-2005, 10:37 PM
Holy Bumpsteer Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude, his rig drives pretty friggin good on the road and doesnt seem to have any bumpsteer at all. :shaking:
Drunk tank
06-14-2005, 07:25 AM
dude, his rig drives pretty friggin good on the road and doesnt seem to have any bumpsteer at all. :shaking:
could it be possible that the ram is ghosting the effect of the bumpsteer?
Either way... a properly designed tracbar should be parrallel to the drag link. He looks to have plenty of room in there... might as well fix it up right ya know? At least itd take a little stress off the drak link......when the passengers side drops and the steering wheel is held straigh the tires are gonna wanna turn to the right. now with that big ass ram in there its gonna resist that and put alot of stress on the drag link.
74_Chevota
06-14-2005, 02:11 PM
could it be possible that the ram is ghosting the effect of the bumpsteer?
Either way... a properly designed tracbar should be parrallel to the drag link. He looks to have plenty of room in there... might as well fix it up right ya know? At least itd take a little stress off the drak link......when the passengers side drops and the steering wheel is held straigh the tires are gonna wanna turn to the right. now with that big ass ram in there its gonna resist that and put alot of stress on the drag link.
He just put the ram on last week and has had it set up with his stock steering box with that exact same setup for like 6 months and it didnt have any of the characteristics you stated. Mabey he got lucky or something but it seems to work just fine. Also there is VERY limited space to work with and it is a tight fit with the trac bar were it is now, let alone moving it.
bigblacktj
06-14-2005, 09:19 PM
Who runs a cooler on there hydro assist? What kind of cooler and where are you mounting it? Where is the best place to buy one? Do I really need it?
Drunk tank
06-15-2005, 07:17 AM
He just put the ram on last week and has had it set up with his stock steering box with that exact same setup for like 6 months and it didnt have any of the characteristics you stated. Mabey he got lucky or something but it seems to work just fine. Also there is VERY limited space to work with and it is a tight fit with the trac bar were it is now, let alone moving it.
Its just simple geometry and his is all messed up. But if it works it works! Looks like thats probably a trailered rig so street handling isnt as big of an issue
MountaineerMac
06-15-2005, 01:16 PM
Its just simple geometry and his is all messed up. But if it works it works! Looks like thats probably a trailered rig so street handling isnt as big of an issue
It actually handles pretty darn good on the road. :rolleyes: I drive it around town a good bit, and drove it everywhere when I was in Boone. Setup works great. Thanks for the "expert" opinion. Like my brother stated, it's pretty tight in there. Do I trailer? Yea, because I have a good truck and trailer.
bigblacktj
06-18-2005, 10:28 PM
Did you run a rubber bushing in the end of the ram or did you run just a big bolt? And if you ran a rubber bushing did you make it or where can you get one. just trying to mount ram correctly any info would be great.
Radbassist
06-18-2005, 10:43 PM
:cow:
MountaineerMac
06-19-2005, 01:00 PM
Did you run a rubber bushing in the end of the ram or did you run just a big bolt? And if you ran a rubber bushing did you make it or where can you get one. just trying to mount ram correctly any info would be great.
Not sure exactly what you mean but if you mean the ends of the ram then there is a small heim joint at each end.
Kegcrawler
06-21-2005, 06:52 AM
wow, must be nice Mr. Overkill, put that locker in the front of the 4-runner and decided that i am going to get hydro assist as well, but i found this new system that is pretty darn cheep.....its called WOGAS (work out and get arms stronger) it comes with all the required fittings and the box is already drilled and tapped. looks good man, just had to give you a hard time. :flipoff2:
74_Chevota
06-21-2005, 08:31 AM
wow, must be nice Mr. Overkill, put that locker in the front of the 4-runner and decided that i am going to get hydro assist as well, but i found this new system that is pretty darn cheep.....its called WOGAS (work out and get arms stronger) it comes with all the required fittings and the box is already drilled and tapped. looks good man, just had to give you a hard time. :flipoff2:
Lol I was thinking of taking the power steering off the FJ just to make it a little more of a challenge. You need to get down here and try out that rock garden Mac and I were telling you about. Ohhh, and are your chromo's on the way? :p
MountaineerMac
06-21-2005, 08:27 PM
wow, must be nice Mr. Overkill, put that locker in the front of the 4-runner and decided that i am going to get hydro assist as well, but i found this new system that is pretty darn cheep.....its called WOGAS (work out and get arms stronger) it comes with all the required fittings and the box is already drilled and tapped. looks good man, just had to give you a hard time. :flipoff2:
Word :) You'll be walkin' the dog on us all now. Thanks for the props. I think you'll like it. Turned out nice.
wcialrlter
06-22-2005, 06:24 AM
I'm sure i will dig it whats not to dig. sam my chromo's will only be on their way if they are free. hope i can get down there soon to play on the rock garden. later boy's go WOGAS!!!! it rocks!!!
Kegcrawler
06-22-2005, 06:26 AM
i said that not will, sorry didn't know i was under his name
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