Im building a Scout 800, and I'm using 1/2 ton Chevy Axles, and im using Leaf Spring suspension.. Anyway I want to build an a Crawler.. I have 39.5x18x15 Boggers, I have Chevy leafs in the rear, and I dont know what springs I have in the front are, anyway... I dont have them welded in yet! I want as much input as possible about this setup... I really Like the D and C Extreme, Snoopy Buildup, Thats my goal... My Dream, Thanks for your time!

1/2 ton axles and 39.5" tires! :shaking:

You need to get some real axles. Get a Dana 60 front from either a Chevy or a Dodge, and a Dana 60 or GM 14 bolt rear. Hopefully you can grind enough off the front calipers to clear the 15" 8 lug wheels. Otherwise you will have to run the Dana 44 front and carry lots of spare shafts. :flipoff2:

If you insist on using half ton stuff ditch the Chevy 10 or 12 bolt rear and get a Ford 9" and taker easy, but you would be much better off with atleast 3/4 ton junk.

I understand, Im Poor, like alot of us.. Anyway, I will try it until I snap it, Its all I have! Heres My Scout :flipoff2:
Scout (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/1175366)

cool, keep us updated :)

http://www.tildas.com/Large%20Chocolate%20Chip%20Cookie.JPG

Lol

I don't get it.

Boy you better get a civic motor if you want those axles to live past the flat land :eek:

Boy you better get a civic motor if you want those axles to live past the flat land :eek:

What he said.


Your desire is good, but 39.5 x 15's and 1/2T axles are NOT a good combo... EXPECIALY on the rocks... light/medium trail with control maybe... If they were 39.5 x skinny, maybe a better chance but those boggers have WAY too much meat.


Seriously, I'd look to trade the tires/wheels for something in a 36" plus some cash, or start shopping for bigger axles.

And as CSmith said, the rear will take the most abuse, and the 10/12 Bolts GM used are arguably weeker than a D44.. VERY short life with that much tire. The front D44 or 10B (what year is the doner) might last a *little* longer.... Welding the u-joint caps might get you a run or two...

I like this the bestest....

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/1175000-1175999/1175366_20_full.jpg

Were Can I get Body Bushings for my Beast!

It sounds like you are trying to do everything as cheap as possible so I found a half-off sale for you on body bushings. Link (http://www.discounthockey.com/icepucks.html) :flipoff2:










Do us all a favor and don't actually use these, okay.







:)

It sounds like you are trying to do everything as cheap as possible so I found a half-off sale for you on body bushings. Link (http://www.discounthockey.com/icepucks.html) :flipoff2:

Do us all a favor and don't actually use these, okay.


:)

Thats Awsome Im going to use these... :flipoff2: No Not Really, Yes Cheap But Not too cheap.. I want something bad ass!

I looked at mine, then looked at yours, and then said to myself.... There aint no cheap about it. I am wayyyyyyy farther along on mine than you are on yours....

You had better get a better job. :flipoff2:

I would like to give a shout-out to all of us building a rig on a budget!! I happen to be working on a similar problem at this time. I am building a '69 800 with 3/4 ton chevy axles (10 bolt front...14 bolt rear), coil over suspension with 4 link front and rear, power will come from a late model 6.0 Liter chevy engine. My plan is to run 12.5 R20 michelin military tires. I realize that i am just going to torch the front, but D60's seem to be really high. Does anyone have a suggestion for building the 44/10 bolt front? I should i just run it until i get the money for a 60?

On a second note.. has anyone successfully converted a '93 chevy NV4500 from external slave to internal?? I don't have room with the right side driven transfer case.

what is it with people and big tires, small drivetrains and small budgets :shaking:

Some people need to learn BALLANCE in their rigs is critical. If you've only got $3000 to build a rig then don't kid yourself and build within that budget. A rig with 33-35" meats on 1/2 ton axles that's in proper running order is WAY, WAY, WAY more fun that some delapidated trash pile on 40" meats and twig axles that's going to blow u-joints or axle shafts every damn trip plus some other mechanical failure due to penny pinching on repairs such as points failing, radiator hoses, wheel bearings, etc.

Two simple rules to follow when building a rig:

1 - for most of us, incrementalism is your friend. You don't need to build it all at once. Wheel it, enjoy it, break it, fix it, etc. Too much of the breaing and fixing and you'll learn to hate this hobby.

2 - build for safety, reliability and wheelability IN THAT ORDER. If you don't have a roll bar or seatbelts for the love of God take care of that kind of stuff first. Then spend some change just getting your junk in reasonable working order so you're not "that guy" on the trail. THEN, when it's running well and you're not going to die because of exhaust fumes in your cab or some other stupid problem, focus on getting a little further down the trail.

I've broken my own rules before and I'm not trying to go off on anyone in particular here but this isn't jeepsunlimited, it's Pirate4x4 and some experience and common sense is in order.

[hopping off my soap box]

trade those for some 35" boggers on beadlocks and you should be good to go.

I like this the bestest....

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/1175000-1175999/1175366_20_full.jpg
Needs more triangulation! :flipoff2:

Holy shit I can't believe that. It's enough to just keep one going straight up, how do you do two and keep it all from falling over?

Gotta agree with Rob, start small and learn your truck, learn to wheel, give yourself something to work up to.

[QUOTE=Urban Wheeler]Needs more triangulation! :flipoff2:

:rolleyes: :shaking: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

what is it with people and big tires, small drivetrains and small budgets :shaking:

Some people need to learn BALLANCE in their rigs is critical. If you've only got $3000 to build a rig then don't kid yourself and build within that budget. A rig with 33-35" meats on 1/2 ton axles that's in proper running order is WAY, WAY, WAY more fun that some delapidated trash pile on 40" meats and twig axles that's going to blow u-joints or axle shafts every damn trip plus some other mechanical failure due to penny pinching on repairs such as points failing, radiator hoses, wheel bearings, etc.

Two simple rules to follow when building a rig:

1 - for most of us, incrementalism is your friend. You don't need to build it all at once. Wheel it, enjoy it, break it, fix it, etc. Too much of the breaing and fixing and you'll learn to hate this hobby.

2 - build for safety, reliability and wheelability IN THAT ORDER. If you don't have a roll bar or seatbelts for the love of God take care of that kind of stuff first. Then spend some change just getting your junk in reasonable working order so you're not "that guy" on the trail. THEN, when it's running well and you're not going to die because of exhaust fumes in your cab or some other stupid problem, focus on getting a little further down the trail.

I've broken my own rules before and I'm not trying to go off on anyone in particular here but this isn't jeepsunlimited, it's Pirate4x4 and some experience and common sense is in order.

[hopping off my soap box]

good stuff right here^^^

I really dont care, I will do what I want I just needed info.. I have seen 44" tire with 1/2 ton junk, and they dont break anything,

and they don't wheel them in the rocks.

I picked up a 76 3/4 ton chev that ran for $500. they are out there you just need to look.

I really dont care, I will do what I want I just needed info.. I have seen 44" tire with 1/2 ton junk, and they dont break anything, Its just learning how to use what you got, You can make anything work... Oh that Suicide jacking was crazy, It almost did fall over, What else was I to do?
How about an engine hoist, or a couple buddies and some 55 gallon oil drums...

Hey bud you are asking for opinions and you are getting them. Do yourself a favor and listen and learn from other peoples experiences. These guys know what they're talking about. You would have alot more fun with a SOA,lockers and 35's on that rig. Its better than constantly breaking shit you can't afford to fix and getting in every bodies way. Don't 12 bolts have c clips? Break that POS and you're in a world of hurt. Look at some of the mod stock comp rigs. I believe they're limited to a 35 tire and they are VERY capable rigs.

Well Havn't gotten to much further, Heres a couple more pics!:flipoff2:
http://x12.putfile.com/1/1009221850-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=1/1009221850.jpg&s=x12)
http://x12.putfile.com/1/1014525463-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=1/1014525463.jpg&s=x12)
http://x12.putfile.com/1/1019095246-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=1/1019095246.jpg&s=x12)
http://x12.putfile.com/1/1019073021-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=1/1019073021.jpg&s=x12)

Well, At least you shouldn't get hung up on the diffs when you get dragged off the trail. :p

Whats A poor kid to do? :flipoff2: I will make it work! Anyway I will be swaping 1ton under it, I just have to save up! Think of it as a budget build!:smokin:
Im going to extend the frame in the front and rear to make up for the springs! I will take it easy...:jeep:
http://x12.putfile.com/1/1018584190-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=1/1018584190.jpg&s=x12)

I really dont care, I will do what I want I just needed info..


Then go somewhere else, I'm not going to help you and I'm pretty sure most of the other guys on this board won't either.



That's a bad attitude to have, especially on this board.



You've already admitted your not going to listen to our advice, so why should we give it to you?

Drag your trash pile over the mountain and diesel smoke and I will take you to the TSF.our stock class comp truck will drag you all over that place.

you wanna see what 2 poor guys can build on a budget and no sleep,go to the BB and search 'rockscout'

Its only on 35's but it hangs with all the dawgs.

Then go somewhere else, I'm not going to help you and I'm pretty sure most of the other guys on this board won't either.



That's a bad attitude to have, especially on this board.



You've already admitted your not going to listen to our advice, so why should we give it to you?

Hey Cock! :flipoff2: Sorry... I take it back, but dont hold that against me... That was a long time ago! I was being stupid... I dont want shit! :mad3:

Now you did it you dumb fawk.don't expect help from any of us again.

I ride dirt bikes in bend/redmond/prinville a lot.next time I see your pile broken down on the side of the road/trail I'll be sure to stop and take a shit on it.

:shaking: I was hoping to see pictures of a good build, but all this hate and anger,.....



.... it reminds me of when a newbee posts on the Pirate board ~ oh wait...

I donno, at least he's building something faster than me! ;)

Im sorry lets get this past us! I will be admit I was being stupid! Sorry, Lets move on!

[QUOTE=Snoopy

I donno, at least he's building something faster than me! ;)[/QUOTE]

Quit being ANAL and get it done.
You know, I built an Engine, tranny, doubler kit, installed all of it and then did the paint and body. Then I have been out mall cruising and wheeling. Now I need to buff the paint out now. Top it off, I did all of this in my garage.
You are SLOW!!! :flipoff2: GO GO GO!!! :D
Have you thought about paying someone to help you get it done? Just put them on it and supervise the stuff you feel they are competent on. Then let them do it.
Quit screwing around. :)

Twisted, what you do not realize is those Boggers that large will bend your rear axle shafts just wheeling thru ruts, on top of snapping them off like a twig so easy you will not believe it. They have a lot of leverage.
I know.
I would strongly suggest you get some smaller rubber and get used to the rig and then install the Boggers when you get running gear to handle them.
Then when you put those Boggers on you will see what it does to your rolling resistance . It is allot. That is why I have a expensive motor to spin them fast.

what is it with people and big tires, small drivetrains and small budgets :shaking:

So they can pick up chicks at the MALL!!!! :D

what is it with people and big tires, small drivetrains and small budgets :shaking:



Ever been to Prineville??:D

Since you appear to be taking advice, here's mine.

Sell the 39's and blingin' wheels, but some 35's and crappy wheels, take the left over money and spend it on said project, then wheel.

Two things are required for building any project. Time and money. They have an inverse relationship, having one means needing less of the other. Spend what you have of either wisely, and 39's on 1/2 ton gear IS NOT WISE!!

So they can pick up chicks at the MALL!!!! :D

Isn't that the truth! :)
I am surprised I haven't been shot here in Phoenix when one of those wannabees pulls up next to me. I just shake my head and laugh at them.
I never stop laughing either as they are everywhere here. The best is these silly ass H2'S. :D

Thanks for the advice... I will set the boggers aside, and buy some 35 tsl or something, I figured it would be no good for the rocks, so it will be a trail rig for now... Being I have 1/2 ton running gear... Are those rear axles worth a dollar with the factory limited slip... I might have found 1 ton running gear... Thanks again for the help!

Thanks for the advice... I will set the boggers aside, and buy some 35 tsl or something, I figured it would be no good for the rocks, so it will be a trail rig for now... Being I have 1/2 ton running gear... Are those rear axles worth a dollar with the factory limited slip... I might have found 1 ton running gear... Thanks again for the help!

Know anybody with a early Camaro? :D Those guys get all weak in the knees when you say 12 BOLT POSI. It's like some kind of drag racing mating call or something. I bet you can get a least 3 to 4 bones for it selling it to one of those dudes.

Know anybody with a early Camaro? :D Those guys get all weak in the knees when you say 12 BOLT POSI. It's like some kind of drag racing mating call or something. I bet you can get a least 3 to 4 bones for it selling it to one of those dudes.
A car 12 bolt is different than a truck 12 bolt!

A car 12 bolt is different than a truck 12 bolt!

Aside from width, what are the differences? Just wondering...

I've been following this thread...it changed my mind from 39's or 37's to 35's in my poor ass budget build 800 on II frame (using 1/2 ton running gear, 44/9" :rasta: )

Thank you gentlemen!

-Gary

Aside from width, what are the differences? Just wondering...

I've been following this thread...it changed my mind from 39's or 37's to 35's in my poor ass budget build 800 on II frame (using 1/2 ton running gear, 44/9" :rasta: )

Thank you gentlemen!

-Gary
There have different part #s for the carriers/lockers/LS and the truck pinion is 1.438" and the car pinion 1.625" But since there a c-clip there a POS in my eyes.

A car 12 bolt is different than a truck 12 bolt!

I know that, Bob...

I know that, Bob...
Sure doesn't look like you do By saying a common truck 12B is worth 300-400! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :flipoff2:

Sure doesn't look like you do By saying a common truck 12B is worth 300-400! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :flipoff2:

It is when the boy racer doesn't know what he is buying! :laughing:

What Steering box did you use with your full size axle swap? I have been told the chevy 2wd, or the Ford 2wd? Im not sure what works better? Thanks

Search son,its been covered.

It doesn't matter what size axles your going to,your rig never had power steering.you want to know what power box fits or works best?

We used a scout II box on the rock scout.I'm using a Ford box on tractractor #2.I think scout254 uses a waggy box.

As you can see,your choises are endless.

'search':flipoff2:

Ok... Thanks, I was just trying to figure what was easiest to install and strength, but I guess it dosnt really matter...

Are you singing to yourself when you read these posts?everything you ever wanted to know is here already.

All the boxes are 99% the same.the difference is mounting.Ford boxes are the easiest to mount but 'could' be weaker cuz of the long sector shaft.other than that it comes down to where you want to mount it.inside or out.

I'm done spoon feeding you.don't forget your helmet on your way to special ed.:rolleyes:

I don't see the need for 1-ton or full size boxes when I'm going to be porting them for a ram anyway. Run what you have.