GM Employee pricing

[01tacoboy]

Gotta love it. Just bought an 05 chevy 2500HD crewcab with the Duramax/Allison. Was over $10k off sticker price. Right now is the time to buy a new chevy if you want one and can afford it.

[Janster]

Employee pricing is DA BOMB!!!

I didn't get a GMC....

A friend of mine had an employee voucher last year for Daimler/Chrysler. We bought a 2004 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7 quad cab short box.

And yeah...a total of like $10,000 off the sticker after the employee discount and bonus encentives. SWEET!!

[BarrelRoll]

I work at a chevy dealer and trucks are selling like hot cakes, were going to run out of trucks pretty soon. We've been selling trucks that have been at the dealer a year. They do have great deals on stuff, sad thing is most dealers and GM won't make any real money off this since stuff is discounted so much.

[85GAJEEPCJ7]

I actually went to a dealer to look at a Suburban for the wife. I had a business card with the stock number and original sticker price written on it from 2 months ago. Went by there this weekend to see what the new pricing would be.

The damn sticker price was jacked up on the suburban. Same stock number, same vehicle, 3K higher than 2 month prior. Asked why and the guy said that it has not changed. I pulled out the card and he could not say a word. When I asked for the salesman that the card was for, he said that he no longer worked there :rolleyes: .

I think it great that all of the manufacturers are giving deals and rebates, but damn, when you jack the price of the vehicle up it only makes it a great marketing scam. :shaking:

[BarrelRoll]

Did the price on just that burb change? I know we didn't put any new window stickers with higher prices in the cars and trucks at my deaer. Every now and then gm will change the price on something, sometimes more, sometimes less. I can't remember the last time i put a new window sticker in a burb. Every car right now has a 8 1/2 x 11 piece of paper in the window with the original sticker and the gm employee price on it, it's a template gm sent us. Either for some reason the price on that burb changed or that dealer is trying to screw you over.

[CHRIS SHELBY]

Gotta love it. Just bought an 05 chevy 2500HD crewcab with the Duramax/Allison. Was over $10k off sticker price. Right now is the time to buy a new chevy if you want one and can afford it.


So what did ya end up paying for it???


Chris

[fpkelly]

I had 10K taken off my GMC back in January, its all about who you know.

[ScottFJ40]

I actually went to a dealer to look at a Suburban for the wife. I had a business card with the stock number and original sticker price written on it from 2 months ago. Went by there this weekend to see what the new pricing would be.

The damn sticker price was jacked up on the suburban. Same stock number, same vehicle, 3K higher than 2 month prior. Asked why and the guy said that it has not changed. I pulled out the card and he could not say a word. When I asked for the salesman that the card was for, he said that he no longer worked there :rolleyes: .

I think it great that all of the manufacturers are giving deals and rebates, but damn, when you jack the price of the vehicle up it only makes it a great marketing scam. :shaking:
Sorry, you are FULL of shit man. There is no way in hell a dealer can change the window sticker :shaking: If what you said was true, how come you haven't reported them to the police or the FBI.

[Lowtorious]

Scott -

Probably because he didn't know it was illegal. I know it sounds stupid, but I didn't before you said anything. To me, like alot I imagine, car sales seems like a money sucking black hole. No offense, honestly.

[makeupqueEn]

Seems like GM is giving good deals.. They wouldnt budge back when I was looking for a truck, so I went to the fleet dept of my local dodge dealer... helps to know the manager of the fleet dept. got mine for dealer invoice minus about 4k in rebates. 33.5k out the door.. sticker on the truck was 46k.
Scott

[TEX]

Scott -

Probably because he didn't know it was illegal. I know it sounds stupid, but I didn't before you said anything. To me, like alot I imagine, car sales seems like a money sucking black hole. No offense, honestly.

Did he change the dealer-marked price, or the factory sticker? Big difference ;)


TEX

[Azrckcrawler]

Sorry, you are FULL of shit man. There is no way in hell a dealer can change the window sticker :shaking: If what you said was true, how come you haven't reported them to the police or the FBI.

I have seen them changed all the time. Typically it's with a black sharpie in big numbers accross the bottom. Happened to me when i tried to buy an 01 Lightning, they marked it up 10k over MSRP and wouldn't budge. I ended up buyng one from a private party, had 600 miles, was under msrp and no tax. I got the original window sticker and discovered he had bought it from the same dealer i started lookign at, it looked like he paid the markup :eek:

[TEX]

I have seen them changed all the time. Typically it's with a black sharpie in big numbers accross the bottom. Happened to me when i tried to buy an 01 Lightning, they marked it up 10k over MSRP and wouldn't budge. I ended up buyng one from a private party, had 600 miles, was under msrp and no tax. I got the original window sticker and discovered he had bought it from the same dealer i started lookign at, it looked like he paid the markup :eek:

Dealer markup/markdown is NOT the same as changing the window sticker. By changing the sticker, we assumed you meant they removed the original sticker & replaced it with a bogus one. Drawing a line through the price & marking a new one is NOT uncommon, nor unethical.

TEX

[4x4not]

Dealers that mark things up beyond MSRP are insane if they think they'll sell them, and people who PAY those prices are even more insane! A guy I work with tried to buy a new Mustang GT and the dealer had a $5K "rare find fee" tacked on to MSRP and wouldn't budge, even though we get a discount through our company.

I got my Dodge for 1% below invoice, but now I kinda wish I had haggled a bit more :D

[ScottFJ40]

Dealer markup/markdown is NOT the same as changing the window sticker. By changing the sticker, we assumed you meant they removed the original sticker & replaced it with a bogus one. Drawing a line through the price & marking a new one is NOT uncommon, nor unethical.

TEXExactly. A dealer can mark up or "bump" the price all they want, they have to do it with a seperate, bump label. They can NOT, under federal law change the Monroney Label a.k.a. the window sticker. They are also required to give you the monroney label at time of delivery.

For example, we have a new Charger on the lot, and it has a bump label of $5K, which is in the window next to the window sticker. Do I agree with this practice? Hell no! It is commonly done on new, hot models, and performance models(srt-10 ram, viper, etc.

[whatever]

Why is everyone getting so happy???? When I bought my Dodge in November it was first run of the 05's and fully loaded except leather. Sticker was $42K and some change. I got ahold of the dealer internet sales department and got my truck out the door for $32K. So all the sudden Chevy decides to give "employee discounts" and knock $10K off the sticker and you guys start having wet dreams :confused: Sounds to me like they either started using KY and or giving all you guys a reach around, either way you still paid to much :flipoff2:

[BigDan]

Why is everyone getting so happy???? When I bought my Dodge in November it was first run of the 05's and fully loaded except leather. Sticker was $42K and some change. I got ahold of the dealer internet sales department and got my truck out the door for $32K. So all the sudden Chevy decides to give "employee discounts" and knock $10K off the sticker and you guys start having wet dreams :confused: Sounds to me like they either started using KY and or giving all you guys a reach around, either way you still paid to much :flipoff2:

That is because (edit) I'm acting like a fawking racist and now know that if I ever make another comment like that around here I'll be banned (edit). They have the highest price trucks on the market and rarely budge on their sticker price. I'm guessing the saw Dodge sales figures and decided to knock 10K off the sticker like Dodge has been doing for a long time now. Some guy at my work just paid over 45K for a Chevy D-Max :shaking: :shaking: :shaking:

How many guys here have bought a brand new loaded Chevy/GMC 4X4 Duramax for 28-33K????

NONE

How many guys here have bought a brand new loaded Dodge 4X4 Cummins for 28-33K????

LOTS AND LOTS

[Po' riggity]

agreed! The main reason I bought the dodge is for the CTD.. The next reason was because the other two out of hte "big three" wouldnt BUDGE on MSRP, and they seemed to think thier vehicles were made of gold, with the ford 6.0 that you'd have to cross your fingers for in the AM, hoping it would start, and the IFS, crappy front suspension on the duramax, with less HP and TQ than the dodge.. seems to me like the choice, In my case, was obvious.. pay 45k for a chevy, or pay 33.5k for a similarly equipped dodge.. Hmmmm...

Ive got a neighbor who just bought an 05 Dmax, crew cab short bed 2500.. he was all happy because he got employee pricing.. he still payed 42k out the door for his truck, WITH the employee pricing tacked on.. I didn't mention how much my dodge cost :D
Scott

[Lowtorious]

That is because Chevy/GMC is a bunch of jew bastards...

Care to elaborate how Jews are bastards?

[01tacoboy]

So what did ya end up paying for it???


Chris
$40k out the door. Msrp was $46,???
Has sunroof, bose stereo, bucket seats. I am very happy with it. just waiting to break it in, then it's gettin a Banks stinger system. Adds 97 HP and 213 torque and should not cause any problems with warranty.

[01tacoboy]

Why is everyone getting so happy???? When I bought my Dodge in November it was first run of the 05's and fully loaded except leather. Sticker was $42K and some change. I got ahold of the dealer internet sales department and got my truck out the door for $32K. So all the sudden Chevy decides to give "employee discounts" and knock $10K off the sticker and you guys start having wet dreams :confused: Sounds to me like they either started using KY and or giving all you guys a reach around, either way you still paid to much :flipoff2:

I bought a chevy due to the fact that no one I know has ever had a good dealing with dodge. (I know a lot of people that own dodge). Dodge would not back the warranty, in the shop all the time, wear out fast. I worked at Gale Banks Engineering for a while and saw a rediculous amount of problems with dodge trucks. I also sold them for a few months and saw many problems on brand new units. IMO I think they are poorly built trucks with crappy business practices. I hope they gave you turd polish with your truck. :flipoff2: It's really too bad they didn't put the Cummins in a worthwhile truck.

[Po' riggity]

40k WITH the "employee pricing"??? did they at least give you some KY before they told you to bend over?
Scott

[Toy 4Runner Man]

How many guys here have bought a brand new loaded Chevy/GMC 4X4 Duramax for 28-33K????

NONE

How many guys here have bought a brand new loaded Dodge 4X4 Cummins for 28-33K????

LOTS AND LOTS

I must be "none"! I picked up my DuraMax 4X4 well loaded for $32,000, and my brother got almost the same truck for $34,000.

[Lowtorious]

What's your truck like in addition to the D-Max? Back in '03, my in-laws paid $32K for their 2500HD, 4x4, CC, SB, 8.1/Allison, 4.10s, LS package. It's pretty much got everything except for leather seats and On-Star. Does the price sound right?

[beretzs]

I just priced out a K3500 Chevy LT, CC, Dually, 4x4, with every option you could order, DVD and Sunroof, D-max and Allison and the sticker of the one I found was 51,800 so I e-mailed the internet guy about the price, and he came back with 40,100, with my 500 military discount, but they wouldn't give me enough on trade for my Suburban. Stinks, because it was a bad ass truck and would really pull the Junk around nicely. Scotty

[ScottFJ40]

I bought a chevy due to the fact that no one I know has ever had a good dealing with dodge. (I know a lot of people that own dodge). Dodge would not back the warranty, in the shop all the time, wear out fast. I worked at Gale Banks Engineering for a while and saw a rediculous amount of problems with dodge trucks. I also sold them for a few months and saw many problems on brand new units. IMO I think they are poorly built trucks with crappy business practices. I hope they gave you turd polish with your truck. :flipoff2: It's really too bad they didn't put the Cummins in a worthwhile truck.
You are a fucking moron. Just IMO of course.

[whatever]

You are a fucking moron.


X2

[SirMrManGuy]

That is because Chevy/GMC is a bunch of jew bastards.
Fuck you you racist shitbag. :mad3: I hope you get banned for that comment

[ScottFJ40]

Fuck you you racist shitbag. :mad3: I hope you get banned for that comment
I'm not even Jewish and I agree 100%

[DRM]

That is because Chevy/GMC is a bunch of jew bastards.

How about you don't use that reference here again... ever.

[Ben W]

So is the GM employee pricing sale actually a good deal or is it just a marketing scam? The prices I've seen advertised don't seem that great.

[4x4not]

I haven't really looked into pricing much, but from what I've heard it is a pretty good price, especially for people who are not good at haggling :D
GM vehicles tend to be pricey anyway. Buy a Dodge :flipoff2:

[jwag]

You Dodge guys knockin' Chevy's are killin me. A loaded Dodge doesnt compare to a loaded Chevy. Does it have leather,a good stereo,heated seats with memory,cruise control? Yeah, I know, "but i dont need leather and who cares about the stereo, you can upgrade for less"

It's all personal preference boys, drive what you like and pay what you want. You may have payed less but if you look at the details you get what you pay for of course that is my opinion. You have to realize that there are drawbacks to every one of the big three.

[ScottFJ40]

You Dodge guys knockin' Chevy's are killin me. A loaded Dodge doesnt compare to a loaded Chevy. Does it have leather,a good stereo,heated seats with memory,cruise control? Yeah, I know, "but i dont need leather and who cares about the stereo, you can upgrade for less"

It's all personal preference boys, drive what you like and pay what you want. You may have payed less but if you look at the details you get what you pay for of course that is my opinion. You have to realize that there are drawbacks to every one of the big three.
Hey Mr little wang, if you ever grasp reading comprehension, you'll see that a chevy guy started knockin dodges you ignorant jackass. Drive your pofs chevy into a bridge abuttment please.

A loaded Dodge has a great stereo, leather, heated seats, cruise control(even on base models) and bitchin Nav systems, sounds like you are just another dickhole spouting off about shit you know nothing about. :shaking:

[TEX]

Hey Mr little wang, if you ever grasp reading comprehension, you'll see that a chevy guy started knockin dodges you ignorant jackass.


Psst, this IS a Chevrolet thread though :p

TEX

[jwag]

Hey Mr little wang, if you ever grasp reading comprehension, you'll see that a chevy guy started knockin dodges you ignorant jackass. Drive your pofs chevy into a bridge abuttment please.

A loaded Dodge has a great stereo, leather, heated seats, cruise control(even on base models) and bitchin Nav systems, sounds like you are just another dickhole spouting off about shit you know nothing about. :shaking:


AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH, This is hilarious...My chevy is better than your dodge and his ford will kick both our azzes. This is an age old grade school arguement that will never end. Go back to sixth grade with your name calling and comprehension level. Read again, "whatever" started the diatribe with his "you still paid too much" statement against GM folks and then poriggity piled along with the ifs and cold starting claims and to top it off bigdan claims that gm folks are a bunch of jews. Do me a favor, realize it is personal preference and get over it.

Thanks for listening to my opinion, LMAO...

[BigDan]

How about you don't use that reference here again... ever.

oops
Didnt mean to offend anybody.
Hear it all the time on South Park.

Sorry

I'm just glad I wasnt called a dick hole or have my man hood thretened :flipoff2:

[01tacoboy]

you'll see that a chevy guy started knockin dodges you ignorant jackass.

Actually, no. I responded to the post talking about ky and a reach around. I stated my opinion based on what I have personally seen. I just don't trust dodge for nothing. Same as I don't trust the new ford 6.0. That left me with chevy. I am happy with my truck and the price I got, so I really don't care what you guys think.

PS. The sale price was $36,272. Then came to $40 OTD. I really don't see what people are talking about as far as haggling. The price was below invoice, then even more off with rebates. I really don't think people can haggle a dealer into losing money. :shaking: I know I didn't sell cars at a loss. :flipoff2:

[01tacoboy]

So is the GM employee pricing sale actually a good deal or is it just a marketing scam? The prices I've seen advertised don't seem that great.

I bought my truck for $36,272 +tax, lic,etc. Dealer invoice was just shy of $40k. If anyone knows how to haggle a dealer into losing money, I would love to know. :smokin:

[whatever]

Read again, "whatever" started the diatribe



:D :D :D


And all I did was say you paid to much, never said it was a Dodge vs Chevy since we already know who would win that battle!





































:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :laughing:

[RickyR]

I just priced out a K3500 Chevy LT, CC, Dually, 4x4, with every option you could order, DVD and Sunroof, D-max and Allison and the sticker of the one I found was 51,800 so I e-mailed the internet guy about the price, and he came back with 40,100, with my 500 military discount, but they wouldn't give me enough on trade for my Suburban. Stinks, because it was a bad ass truck and would really pull the Junk around nicely. Scotty

I stepped up and bought that truck yesterday. No sunroof or DVD though. It was the only one on the lot. This new pricing is KILLING the used car market. I have always been a GM guy, but they are tightening the neuse around their own necks for sure. I'm sure the US government will bail them out if necessary. I recently read an article in " Smart Money " about how GM has almost $1500 in every vehicle just to cover health insurance premiums for the retired and working employees. No way this number is EVER going to get smaller. What will make it worse, is that their drug card is a flat $5 for any drug. No incentive for someone to choose generic, so it is spiraling up with mis-use. That is just one example I read which keeps the costs going up.

http://www.smartmoney.com/onedaywonder/index.cfm?story=20050610

clip>
With 109,000 workers in the U.S., benefits are a major concern to management. Analysts agree that about $1,500 from the sale of every GM car and truck goes to pay for employee-related health-care costs, mainly through the company's pension plan. If the company can trim those expenditures, it might well be able to devote some energy to another crucial part of its operations: selling automobiles.


BTW.. I like my new truck :flipoff2: Funny, but I need to sell my '99 K2500 suburban too.. :shaking:
Ricky...seeya...

[CHRIS SHELBY]

I just priced out a 2005 2500HD Duramax Crewcab with Leather, OnStar, XM Radio and a spray-in bedliner for $34,700. Prolly be pickin it up next Friday.


Chris

[KYOTA]

You Dodge guys knockin' Chevy's are killin me. A loaded Dodge doesnt compare to a loaded Chevy. Does it have leather,a good stereo,heated seats with memory,cruise control?

You call that vinyl shit Chevy has leather? my 95 Tahoe was an LS (cloth seats) and I always bitched about not gettng an LT (leather), well an electrical fire granted my wish and we replaced the 95 with a 99 LT. Leather my ass, that shits a joke back to cloth seats for me on the next one, which will be a Dodge 2500 CTD.

[jwag]

You call that vinyl shit Chevy has leather? my 95 Tahoe was an LS (cloth seats) and I always bitched about not gettng an LT (leather), well an electrical fire granted my wish and we replaced the 95 with a 99 LT. Leather my ass, that shits a joke back to cloth seats for me on the next one, which will be a Dodge 2500 CTD.


I am very happy for you :D Congratulations on your new truck when you get it.

[CWBYinJEEP]

I think it's hillarious when some clown goes posting all over the net he bought his truck for x amount off and got such a smoking deal cause he haggled so well. When in reality they may have got $10k off the sticker price of a $40k whatever, but paid 4 or 5% over the going finance rate which made up for a couple thousand dollars real quick. There just inst that much to be had off unless youre getting "employee discount" and dipping into GM's pockets. The real deal here is that the local Chevy dealer is not going to have to discount now and will make alot more money on a truck this month then he would have 2 months ago selling it for more. So if youre real good at haggling, go for more then just employee pricing.

But what will be very interesting is to see what the resale values are on these Chevys and GMCs a couple months from now. Bet alot of buyer confidence will be blown down the tubes as a result which will really hurt or piss off customers who bought before this big promotion.

[RickyR]

But what will be very interesting is to see what the resale values are on these Chevys and GMCs a couple months from now. Bet alot of buyer confidence will be blown down the tubes as a result which will really hurt or piss off customers who bought before this big promotion.


I can tell you that the local used car market is fawked now. I think the wholesale prices on most used SUV's have dropped almost $1800 since the May issue of the "Black Book".
I will almost bet that when my dual rear wheels hit the curb leaving the lot, I got a pretty expensive hair cut. Don't want to think about that quite yet :mad3:

I am thinking my '99 Suburban will be a permenant piece of lawn furniture. :shaking:

Ricky...seeya...

[Greatlakeoffroad]

In my opinion this is nothing but a gimmic. I would tend to believe you would be better off to wait for the lowest interest rate or even 0% if they offer again. GM sales are down so they will most likely offer this again. Then call up the large local dealership and ask for commercial sales if they don't have one which is unusual ask for sales manager. Commercial sales typically sell them for the supposed invoice price not sticker price. This is how I have bought several Fords for thousands less than sticker and no dickering and no gimmics. After my last purchase I believe I can buy for at least a 1% less than supposed invoice. They had to transfer my truck in from another dealership and that dealership wanted to sell the truck to mine for the supposed invoice. My dealer was going to lose a sale from me rather than do this. In the end they swapped vehicles to get mine in. But this told me they have two invoice prices a real one and the one they show the customer. By the way if you ever have a local construction/manufacturing trade show these commercial sales guys always have a booth and you don't even need to own a business to buy from these guys. Hope this gives some insight. Shawn

[BarrelRoll]

Buy your diesels quick. The sales manager at our dealership was saying that most dealers arn't dealer trading diesels unless they are getting an equal truck back (trading a grey 1 ton diesel wt for a truck equiped the same expcept a different color for example), if the dealer you go to doesn't have the truck on the lot you want or good trade fodder good luck getting your truck.

I'm guessing the end of august will be a great time to buy a truck. The promotion goes through july 5th so july won't be a horbile month for GM dealers but august will probably be real slow, i'm sure GM will do something though chances are they can't afford to do the employee pricing again. Go in the last couple days of the month, if they have the truck you want go in on the morning of the last day and get your truck delivered that day. Salesmen/ dealers have quotas/goals they are suposed to meet and usually get bonuses if they meat these goals. They will be much more likely to make a better deal on the last day of the month, more so if you have them convinced your not in a hurry and don't really have plans of buying that day.

The used market has gone down the tubes and we havn't sold many this month, only stuff that's selling is under 10 grand, the cheeper the more likely it is to move, even then you can finance a used '03 for focus that's out of warenty off the lot for $189/mo or you can finance a new similarly equiped coblat for $179/mo. If your paying cash you can probably get a screeming deal on a used car that's been on the lot for a couple months since used cash prices are usually still a good amount lower then employee prices.

[85GAJEEPCJ7]

Sorry, you are FULL of shit man. There is no way in hell a dealer can change the window sticker :shaking: If what you said was true, how come you haven't reported them to the police or the FBI.

I may be FULL of shit :flipoff2:
But, that fact is that I am telling the truth about this.

I did not know that it was illegal. I did not check to see if it was the same sticker with another label over the top, but it was definitely not a mark through. I know that it was the exact same vehicle with a different price on the window..not an added little piece of paper or a mark through.

I have a buddy in the FBI and I will run it by him tonight. I still have the card with the stock number and price written down. I doubt they still have the same vehicle with the same stock number though. Who knows.

[ScottFJ40]

I may be FULL of shit :flipoff2:
But, that fact is that I am telling the truth about this.

I did not know that it was illegal. I did not check to see if it was the same sticker with another label over the top, but it was definitely not a mark through. I know that it was the exact same vehicle with a different price on the window..not an added little piece of paper or a mark through.

I have a buddy in the FBI and I will run it by him tonight. I still have the card with the stock number and price written down. I doubt they still have the same vehicle with the same stock number though. Who knows.
I am not following, did the stock number match the one on your card? Who wrote the price on the card, you or the salesperson. A common ploy among the dickheads in the industry is to lowball you out the door by writing a price on a business card. Next time, ask for a copy of the sticker, or a copy of the invoice if they are willing to give it up.

[whistle pig]

the employee discount they are giving is a gimmick. the old employee discount was you haggle your best deal then whip out your number and get an aditional 15% off. the one they use now you just give them a number and they look in a book and thats what you pay. if you shop around you can actually get better deals than the so called employee discount :flipoff2:

[BigGreenMonster]

i bought my 04 1/2 with the friends and extended fam discount and it was about 8k off the sticker but rebates were not that good at the time. my gf just bought a tahoo 2 months ago with gms (factory discount through her uncle.) now the gms is only a couple grand (3-3.5) but the big kicker was the 5k in rebates. i figure gm just cut there rebates back to compensate or just jaked te sticker up so much it looked like you were getting a monster deal... iu guess they started to figure out people are not beliving the dealers are really not selling the cars for 1000 bucks less then what they paid... :rolleyes:

[CHRIS SHELBY]

I used to work at the Nissan plant in Smyrna, TN. I was a mig welder for the truck frame line. The way it worked for us...if i remember correctly. Was you knew the dealer cost ahead of time. We had computers in the lunch rooms where you could special order what you wanted for lease vehicles. But it gave the price of vehicle too. So, you could put in what you were looking for and it would price it out in buy or lease options. Well, then you went to HR manager to get paperwork and they gave you a discount code number and needed paperwork. You go into whatever Nissan dealer you wanted and knew that you were getting the ride at 4.5% below dealer cost and all rebatres/incentives included after the fact. No haggling necessary. Then you go back to your HR manager and show proof that you just bought a new car or truck and the next payday there is a bonus check of $1500.00 for buying brand loyalty.

The selling dealers were also gettin kickbacks on these sales also to where they are not loosing money. So, the dealers are still getting invoice but just not from the buyer. Not sure if this is how GM employee discount works or not. BUt you now know how Nissan employee discount works.


Chris

[ScottFJ40]

the employee discount they are giving is a gimmick. the old employee discount was you haggle your best deal then whip out your number and get an aditional 15% off. the one they use now you just give them a number and they look in a book and thats what you pay. if you shop around you can actually get better deals than the so called employee discount :flipoff2:
You are one of the dumbest motherfuckers ever, whistledick.

Employee pricing is just that, a set price if you have a number. Not make your best deal, then get an additional 15% you abortion. :rolleyes:

[whistle pig]

You are one of the dumbest motherfuckers ever, whistledick.

Employee pricing is just that, a set price if you have a number. Not make your best deal, then get an additional 15% you abortion. :rolleyes:

:flipoff2: yeah thats how it works now.it was different 8 yrs ago when i bought my chevy with it :flipoff2:

[nosliw]

i priced out a 05 DMax the other day, std. cab 2500, 4x4. no frills....am/fm no cd and air conditioning. it did have an auto tranny and cloth seat..... and the price was 27,000 and change after discounts

went inside to ask if they had something in a manual shift and with a vinyl seat. and they said it would cost about the same? i tried arguing that between a fawking allison automatic and a manual shift there had to be a price different, but they didn't want to deal with my "broke" country ass in my 89 ford.

[BigGreenMonster]

the chrysler emplyee deal is 5% under factory invoice + 25 bucks and you get all the rebates. no haggleing no fuss... you give them the number and you work it up. the friends and extended family is 1% under + 25 with all the rebates. i did not pay attention to what the gms was. i will ask her uncle next time i see him.

[fj40guy]

This new pricing is KILLING the used car market.

No kidding. Still very tempted on a 'burban -- but my '02 2500HD Crew Cab is considered a $12K trade in value. :eek: (50K miles, 6.0 gas motor). Yep, zero resell. :(

Damn, only thing I can trade it in on and still have a decent paymen... Scion TC. :flipoff2:

Tom :usa:

[fj40guy]

i priced out a 05 DMax the other day, std. cab 2500, 4x4. no frills....am/fm no cd and air conditioning. it did have an auto tranny and cloth seat..... and the price was 27,000 and change after discounts

went inside to ask if they had something in a manual shift and with a vinyl seat. and they said it would cost about the same? i tried arguing that between a fawking allison automatic and a manual shift there had to be a price different, but they didn't want to deal with my "broke" country ass in my 89 ford.

Odd part.... the W/T (i.e. work truck) is what you described. About $27K here in Texas. Vinyl, manual, stripped 4WD DMAX.

Most of the W/T aound here are crew cabs, 2WD. Hence that one had been sitting for some time (Henna Chevy - Austin, TX). Has anyone ever seen a W/T painted anything but white? Just wondering.

Side note on the sticker: Heavy Duty Package is DMAX, Allison, locking diff. FOr $7900 price. The stick is discounted $1000 for "heavy duty package". So when you delete the $1000 Allison, you lose the $1000 discount. Hence the dealer saying same price.

Hmm... went to search online for that sucker, not listed. Did spot a 2500HD LS Reg Cab, long box. DMAX, Allision, about another $1500 in options. $39K list price. GM Employee price of $30,300
VIN number: 1GCHK24235E244353

Damn... 'burban looks tempting. Need a '02 2500 for $18K. :)

Tom :usa:

[AZFJ]

My buddys Mom is a auto broker..she sold him a new Duramax 4x4 4 door short bed fully loaded ..Even got him better financing then the GM dealer could do..He paid $38 out the door for it....The dealers here hate her!

[RECYCLER]

I just got a 05 gmc 5.3L crew cab 2wd loaded to the hilt for $26,700 out the door. The original msrp with tax and everything out the door would have been around $36,300.00 I even got all the rebates and a good intrest rate through my bank. :p :flipoff2:

[85GAJEEPCJ7]

I am not following, did the stock number match the one on your card? Who wrote the price on the card, you or the salesperson. A common ploy among the dickheads in the industry is to lowball you out the door by writing a price on a business card. Next time, ask for a copy of the sticker, or a copy of the invoice if they are willing to give it up.


I had the business card with the actual stock number and sticker price written down on it by the sales guy. We did not start the haggling yet, just the sticker price on the card.

I went back by this weekend to see if they had the vehicle and it was not on their lot.

Thanks for your insight on this.

[ScottFJ40]

I had the business card with the actual stock number and sticker price written down on it by the sales guy. We did not start the haggling yet, just the sticker price on the card.

I went back by this weekend to see if they had the vehicle and it was not on their lot.

Thanks for your insight on this.
Sure thing, sorry I said you were FULL of shit. :laughing:

[ironpig70]

its gm's way of trying to make money because their losing their asses. only thing gm sells thats worth a shit is the hd's. sorry but they have discontiuned to the point that they have no cars anymore. no money right now but at work i can buy any ford for 4% over dealer invoice :D so maybe next year.

[BigDan]

I just got a 05 gmc 5.3L crew cab 2wd loaded to the hilt for $26,700 out the door. The original msrp with tax and everything out the door would have been around $36,300.00 I even got all the rebates and a good intrest rate through my bank. :p :flipoff2:

Gasser's are :rainbow:

:flipoff2:

[85GAJEEPCJ7]

Sure thing, sorry I said you were FULL of shit. :laughing:


Thats alright, most of the time I am :D

[BarrelRoll]

Only WT's we ever get on the lot are 4x4 1/2 tons in red, blue and black, we did have 1 3/4 ton extended cab/short box 4x4 red with a fair amount of options, seemed like a dumb truck to have on the lot, took a while to sell.

Finding a manual dmax, well a manual new chev in general is a joke, ive seen 1 damx in for service and 1 new 1/2 ton that was ordered for a customer in a stick in the 4 months i worked at this daler.

[TEX]

i can buy any ford for 4% over dealer invoice :D so maybe next year.

Yeah, 'cause that new 500 is SOOOO exciting :flipoff2:


TEX

[ScottFJ40]

its gm's way of trying to make money because their losing their asses. only thing gm sells thats worth a shit is the hd's. sorry but they have discontiuned to the point that they have no cars anymore. no money right now but at work i can buy any ford for 4% over dealer invoice :D so maybe next year.
4% over invoice isn't anything special. I can do better than that for my PBB brethren on a new Dodge.

[Po' riggity]

Agreed.. 4% over aint screamin.. I paid 1% under, minus about 4k in discounts on top of that for a new Dodge.. With that 6.0 in the FORD, you almost have to PAY ME to take it off your hands
Scott

[RECYCLER]

Hey BIGDAN I think your gay and so is your 79 toyota that I sold to you!!! :flipoff2: :shaking: MARK

[whatever]

Just got an email from my local Dodge dealer announcing they to are offering the whole freinds and family discount thing. Guess they noticed the amount of new chevy cars and trucks floatin around and jumped on the band wagon

[bigdude]

Bought my '05 last Saturday abour $14K below MSRP.... I thought it was an OK deal :D

[ScottFJ40]

Bought my '05 last Saturday abour $14K below MSRP.... I thought it was an OK deal :D
I'd only believe that if you could prove it.

[70~K5]

I'd only believe that if you could prove it.
GM has the employee discount, plus a $3k rebate for the diesel, and a $3K rebate instead of taking the 0%- low interest loan deal. So it would be easy to get $14K off the sticker price now.

[ScottFJ40]

GM has the employee discount, plus a $3k rebate for the diesel, and a $3K rebate instead of taking the 0%- low interest loan deal. So it would be easy to get $14K off the sticker price now.
Oh wow, you just proved it to me, I feel better now.
Now tewll me about santa and the easter bunny again. :)

[whypave]

My understanding is that you can only get 1 3,000 dollar credit rather than taking a low apr offer....Can you give me some more info on how you can get an extra credit for buying a diesel? When I called a local dealer they said that the price you get when you press the red "Get Employee Price" button on any GM web site while locating a vehicle already includes the employee price and any available rebates such as the 3 grand one for sierras and silverados.

Of course all of this is somewhat mute since they won't give me jack for my almost brand new Surburban with this price hacking going on :)

So Scott is there any truth to the above post about Dodge offering a similar deal? a discounted Dodge is certainly still cheaper than a discounted Chevy.

[ScottFJ40]

My understanding is that you can only get 1 3,000 dollar credit rather than taking a low apr offer....Can you give me some more info on how you can get an extra credit for buying a diesel? When I called a local dealer they said that the price you get when you press the red "Get Employee Price" button on any GM web site while locating a vehicle already includes the employee price and any available rebates such as the 3 grand one for sierras and silverados.

Of course all of this is somewhat mute since they won't give me jack for my almost brand new Surburban with this price hacking going on :)

So Scott is there any truth to the above post about Dodge offering a similar deal? a discounted Dodge is certainly still cheaper than a discounted Chevy.
I haven't heard anything yet, but it wouldn't suprise me in the least.

[whatever]

I was just looking in my email to see if I could find it but I guess I already deleted it. So I just emailed the guy who sold me my truck to send it agian, once I get it I will forward it to Scott.

[saf-t scissors]

As far as the used car market goes, we were at a couple of dealers last weekend, and they basically treated the used stuff as advertisement for 05s. It's like "what would you want for that?" "Well... to be perfectly honest, we could give you a better deal on a new one. We took this one as a trade-in, but we've got too much money tied up in it."

True or not, they'd rather let the used ones sit than give you anything significant off the asking price.

[J Kimmel]

fwiw, here in Colorado, the employee price was about 1500 below invoice, then there was a 3000 rebate. I pick mine up tomorrow morning, I leased it for four years, 400 a month:)

LS crew cab short box, 4x4, xm and all the other cool stuff.

[Po' riggity]

you leased it,and you're still paying 400 a month with the "employee" discount? That seems a bit steep to me.
Scott

[J Kimmel]

for a $46,000 truck? I'm not sure what kind of math you do, but at a normal range thats about a 550 lease payment, or closer to 700 to buy. So ya, its a good deal.

sorry it still seems steep to you, I could've gotten a Dodge cheaper, but no thanks:)

[Po' riggity]

Hmm.. the more I think about it, the more I realize 400 aint too bad :) Im just used to seeing commercials for 199/month leases.. but generally those are for honda civics, and not big ass trucks like ours ;) Good deal man.. Glad you like it, and again, sorry for not thinkin straight :)
Scott

[J Kimmel]

no worries. I run the finance dept so I think I got a good deal;)

I was going to get a Dodge all along, since I can get them so much cheaper, but this came along and since it was so cheap I couldn't pass it up.

Regardless of brand loyalties this is the truck I wanted, nice ride, lots of power and I like its interior the best of the big three.

[Po' riggity]

I agree there.. the GM interior is where its at.. The only thing I don't care for is thier radio, but thats no biggie. I would have bought a GM f the dealer would have budged a little off the sticker price when I was lookin to buy.
Scott

[Ghetto Fab.]

I've been recently looking at used GM trucks and was hoping the prices would be going down, but they're not. As Saf-t said they'd rather let the used trucks sit on the lots and sell new ones at discounted prices. I am wondering what they will do when the sale is over.

I'd love to buy new, but I just can't afford it even with the good deals.

Kevo

Ps. Anyone know when the sale ends?

[70~K5]

I've been recently looking at used GM trucks and was hoping the prices would be going down, but they're not. As Saf-t said they'd rather let the used trucks sit on the lots and sell new ones at discounted prices. I am wondering what they will do when the sale is over.

I'd love to buy new, but I just can't afford it even with the good deals.

Kevo

Ps. Anyone know when the sale ends?
07/05

[SeahawkDodge]

It's going to be ugly in the next few months, the used car market is f*cked. In a couple months will probably be a good time to buy used, just don't plan on trading anything in :shaking:

[Hiapo]

It's going to be ugly in the next few months, the used car market is f*cked. In a couple months will probably be a good time to buy used, just don't plan on trading anything in :shaking:

I hope this is the case I want a used cummins.

But why do you think the dealers are going to lower their prices, after the sale ends?

[TEX]

for a $46,000 truck? I'm not sure what kind of math you do, but at a normal range thats about a 550 lease payment, or closer to 700 to buy.

He probably wasn't thinking about a $46,000 price tag. I'm paying $415/month to BUY my '02 GMC 2500HD, but it stickered at $33k, bought for $29k, and had some down payment $$$.

TEX

[BarrelRoll]

But why do you think the dealers are going to lower their prices, after the sale ends?

There will be a lot more used/ traded in inventory, i think i've seen 1 used full size pickup leave our lot since the sale started. The guy paid $405 a month for a beat 03 1500HD crew w/ 50 or 60k on it. It's just not worth it right now to buy a used car or truck if your going to be making payments on it. Most people have the why buy used when i can buy new for a lower payment attiude

[fj40guy]

GM Employees Discount Offer Pays Off (http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20050630/bs_usatoday/gmsemployeediscountofferonnewautospaysoff)



General Motors (GM) has hit upon a possible escape from the big sales incentives that have ruined its bottom line without boosting its market share.

The strategy is akin to one-price selling, minimizing distasteful negotiation. GM doesn't call it one-price, but that is at the core of GM's current promotion - selling anybody a vehicle for the price an employee would pay. (Related: Chrysler may match GM deals)


Preliminary June data from analysts show that the program, which grew out of employee suggestions, is wildly successful. It appears to have boosted GM sales 20% to 30% compared with recent months and pushed June market share to 30%, from 25.4% the first five months. And it isn't costing GM much more than its previously ineffective rebates.


"Our share the first five months has been abysmal. June, it'll be good," says Mark LaNeve, GM vice president of sales and marketing. He did not give numbers. Automakers report sales Friday.


"The No. 1 reason this promotion is succeeding is not that people are getting great deals, but that they don't have to negotiate. They know they paid the same price their neighbor did," says Jesse Toprak, analyst at Edmunds.com, an online car-shopping service. "People tell us they'd rather have root-canal work than negotiate for a car."


"The price is the price, and our customers seem to like that," says Jim Brasher, a Chevrolet dealer in Weimar, Texas.


Paul Ballew, GM's head of market and industry analysis, says the promotion is part of GM's move toward "simple pricing and incentives" to stand out in "a very difficult, and at times muddled, environment for consumers."


GM's employee price is what a dealer actually pays for a vehicle, about 4% less than the dealer's invoice price. The invoice includes a profit, called holdback.


To compensate dealers for selling vehicles at no profit, GM gives them 5% of the window-sticker price, an average of about $1,500 a vehicle.


Dealers can use the 5% to give additional discounts. And some models have rebates that push prices even lower than employee discounts.


GM is paying for that 5% dealer compensation by cutting incentives. Toprak says GM's average per-vehicle June incentive cost is $3,714, slightly less than May's $3,729.


"Alert visitors to GM showrooms are discovering that prices in June are actually little different from prices in May," says David Healy, Burnham Securities analyst, in a note to investors.


Though not "the deal of a lifetime," the appeal is strong, he says.


True one-price selling involves cutting dealer profit margins slim enough that they have to sell at or near window-sticker price. GM won't discuss whether it intends to do that.


Chrysler is considering a similar promotion if GM extends its program past the Tuesday deadline.

[ScottFJ40]

The funny thing is we have had our best month in almost a year in our sales department, and we don't as of yet offer the employee price deal.

[fj40guy]

The funny thing is we have had our best month in almost a year in our sales department, and we don't as of yet offer the employee price deal.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

I thought the "GM employee pricing" was across the USA? -- or you're Chrysler dealership?

Irony... currently looking at a Subaru WRX (no, not a STi... but 225hp RS).
Cool vehilce, blast to drive.... but I really like buying made in USA! Damn.

Tom :usa:

[dukguy]

A true good deal on a new car or truck is rare. If they don't get you on the new truck they get you on the trade in or the financing. Stickers are bullshit. Who is the genuis that decided all these trucks should be priced at nearly 50K anyway. And no matter what you pay for it when you drive it off the lot it isn't worth shit anymore. Car sales is the only market I know of that you buy retail and sell wholesale. Generally if they tell you it's 10k off sticker then it's b/c they have 8 monthes of dealer hold back or what ever its called and they still make the same money. I know they need to make money like anyone else but they don't have to try and make it all on me.

[BadDog]

How many guys here have bought a brand new loaded Chevy/GMC 4X4 Duramax for 28-33K????

NONE

How many guys here have bought a brand new loaded Dodge 4X4 Cummins for 28-33K????

LOTS AND LOTS
Reality check! That's exactly what I paid for mine brand new in '02. DMax, Alli, leather, fully loaded LT 2500HD 4x4 Crew Cab. Roughtly $49k on the sticker, but I had just over $33k in it tax, title and out the door with a full tank of gas and a complete "detail" job inside and out after I made them take off all those stupid stickers, including the dealer adverts...

[BarrelRoll]

Reality check! out the door with a full tank of gas and a complete "detail" job inside and out after I made them take off all those stupid stickers, including the dealer adverts...

I know every car we sell at my dealer leaves with a full tank of gas, a bath, vaccum, windows washed inside and out, all stickers pealed off. I thought GM dealers were required to do it before cars leave the lot but i could be wrong.

[TEX]

DMax,....full tank of gas

Buddy of mine left the Ford dealer with a full tank of gas in his new Powerstroke. Engine was shot by the time he got home ;)


TEX

[ScottFJ40]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

I thought the "GM employee pricing" was across the USA? -- or you're Chrysler dealership?

Irony... currently looking at a Subaru WRX (no, not a STi... but 225hp RS).
Cool vehilce, blast to drive.... but I really like buying made in USA! Damn.

Tom :usa:
We are a Dodge dealership. We had a super month, not sure if the GM thing helped us, or it was just a great month for everyone.
We set a record here in parts too, after having onme of our worse months ever in May, go figure.

[ScottFJ40]

A true good deal on a new car or truck is rare. If they don't get you on the new truck they get you on the trade in or the financing. Stickers are bullshit. Who is the genuis that decided all these trucks should be priced at nearly 50K anyway. And no matter what you pay for it when you drive it off the lot it isn't worth shit anymore. Car sales is the only market I know of that you buy retail and sell wholesale. Generally if they tell you it's 10k off sticker then it's b/c they have 8 monthes of dealer hold back or what ever its called and they still make the same money. I know they need to make money like anyone else but they don't have to try and make it all on me.
I think you misunderstand dealer holdback. They don't get more money the longer the vehicle is in stock. The holdback is a set number, say approx. $1400 for a SLT CTD. It is meant to pay for advertising, and interest, etc, etc. A dealer pays interest on every new vehicle on his lot.

The business is screwed up, I'll tell you that. What I don't understand is how come people go to best buy, and never know the invoice price, or for that matter, go to their grocery store and never know the invoice price. It's only in the automobile business.

I think they need to put a FAIR profit on these vehicles, and sell them at a set price and be done with it.
As it stands now, the customer doesn't trust the salesperson, the salesperson doesn't trust the customer, and it generally is a pain in the ass.
I for one am glad I am not a salesperson anymore, i got tired of people thinking I was a slimeball, and I got tired of customers lying to ME.

Even being in this business, if i were to go buy a new car tomorrow, I'd ask to see the invoice, and offer to pay $500 over invoice, plus get all rebates of course. This way the salesperson at least makes a commission.

[TEX]

We are a Dodge dealership. We had a super month, not sure if the GM thing helped us.

I would imagine it did. Anytime one of the major players does a deal, it gets people out & shopping. Guy goes to the Chevy dealer to check out the deals, gets "truck fever", but decides to check out Ford & Dodge too just to be sure he doesn't like them better. Bang, sales go up at all 3.


TEX

[ScottFJ40]

I would imagine it did. Anytime one of the major players does a deal, it gets people out & shopping. Guy goes to the Chevy dealer to check out the deals, gets "truck fever", but decides to check out Ford & Dodge too just to be sure he doesn't like them better. Bang, sales go up at all 3.


TEXThat's what I was thinking, so go GM! :)

[BadDog]

I know every car we sell at my dealer leaves with a full tank of gas, a bath, vaccum, windows washed inside and out, all stickers pealed off. I thought GM dealers were required to do it before cars leave the lot but i could be wrong.
I'm talking about the dealers vinyl sticker advert they stick on (like a pin stripe) and the big honking ugly "4x4 and so on. I hate stickers. I had also had it for the 24 hour test drive and it needed another cleaning. :D

[dukguy]

ScottFJ40 thanks for the info.

[ScottFJ40]

ScottFJ40 thanks for the info.
dukguy,
thanks for your avatar :smokin:

[4Ruggyfamily]

The price is nice would have got a fully loaded duramax but it wasn't 4x4. Went to ford and got a real good deal though. Close to what chevy was offering.

[ScottFJ40]

Oh yeah, Dodge/Chrysler is doing the employee pricing thing starting July 5th. Details to follow. :D

[rustynuts]

Gotta love it. Just bought an 05 chevy 2500HD crewcab with the Duramax/Allison. Was over $10k off sticker price. Right now is the time to buy a new chevy if you want one and can afford it.


=======


:beer:

same here, '05 gmc crew cab, slt, dmax/allixon. ended up with $12k off sticker. fawk, what a nice ride.