: what exactly is this jeep?


bigwillys
03-01-2002, 08:20 PM
i have no pics, but it is marked as a 52 cj6. that didn't make sense to me cuz i only thought that cj 6s started in 55. The nozzle for the gas cap is on the drivers side about a foot behind the dip of the door opening. no door hinges. passengerside door is about twice as big as normal cj 6s. a guy thought it was like an ambulance jeep or something that would fit stretchers in the passenger side. . other than that it is the same length and width as a cj6. anyone know what it is?

yjtj
03-01-2002, 08:23 PM
long wheelbase m38a1, ambulence version most likely. is there a big round hole on the passenger side tub just behind the front fender?

CSP
03-01-2002, 10:48 PM
Yep, sounds like the ambulance version of the CJ6. They had the big passenger door and the fuel tank under the tub. It has an "m-something" designation but I can't remember what it is.

"D"
03-01-2002, 11:09 PM
M 170 the pass side should have a large opening, and the drivers side should have the standard s shape.

Pretty cool and rare rig.

bigwillys
03-02-2002, 12:15 AM
what years were they made?

yjtj
03-02-2002, 12:31 AM
does it have round fenders like a cj5 or cj7. if it does it is a m170 and wasnt supposed to be produced till 55. if it has flatfenders its not an m170, if it does most likely the title has been changed for some reason

bigwillys
03-02-2002, 12:52 AM
its got round fenders. actually just one round fender haha, all that comes with it is the tub, driver side fender, and a seat. They must have mismarked the tub.

bigwillys
03-02-2002, 05:19 PM
ok well i bought it and brought it home today, and looking closely at it i can see that there used to be the round hole on the passenger side behind the fender, but it was cut out and a piece of sheetmetal was welded over the hole. also, the battery lid in the cowl was removed and patched. also the toolbox under the passenger seat was welded shut. im not sure why anyone would want to do that, especially with such a rare rig. i read that only like 6500 of em were built. its a shame this one had to get messed with. thanks for everyones help.

Al Kaholick
03-02-2002, 06:07 PM
hey nick, if you wanna post some pics for these guys i can bring my digital camera over tommorow

Jaffer
03-02-2002, 06:21 PM
Yeah! I wanna see pics too!
I've a 1956 CJ-6 ... supposedly first year producton.
It has the batt box on the cowl and reverse shackle ... rear hanging U style.
Someone told me to look for a rear drag link ... that the real 170 ambulances had ...
The one I have seems to be an early job with some left over military parts that were used in the first production of the civilian CJ-6.

http://www.monsterslayer.com/jeep/CJ-6/CJ-6Profile.jpg

yjtj
03-02-2002, 06:51 PM
are you going to try and restore this tub? if you are then fenders are exspensive for the 53 - 68 jeeps. but if you are just trying to make it look like a jeep again then the 69 - 71 are what you want. the only difference between the 2 are the early ones dont have a side marker light cutout and the later ones do, you have to decide if its worth the extra 160 bucks each not to have side marker cut outs. also if you look at the cj6 in the pic above you will see the cut out in the hood on the passenger side. that is the correct hood for the tub.

bigwillys
03-02-2002, 07:48 PM
wow i didn't realize the difference in price would be so big. id like to restore it somewhat, but there are things i will change. i dont' want it to be like a white star and army numbers restoration, but i want it to resemble a m 170 enough so that people know what it is. i have one fender for it, i dont' know if its original. it doesn't have a cut out, so it probably is. could i just get any fender for the other side and fill the cutout with a piece of sheetmetal? i should have pics of this stuff up tomorrow. oh and jaffer, nice rig!

Brandon
03-03-2002, 12:50 AM
and about 6" in length on the fenders too, right?

CSP
03-03-2002, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Brandon
and about 6" in length on the fenders too, right?

No, the fenders didn't get longer until '72 and it was only 3".

CSP
03-03-2002, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Jaffer
It has the batt box on the cowl and reverse shackle
http://www.monsterslayer.com/jeep/CJ-6/CJ-6Profile.jpg

So John that cover over the cowl on the passenger side is a battery box? Interesting. My '63 CJ6 has the same cover and I didn't know what it was for.

-Skip

bigwillys
03-03-2002, 05:13 PM
anyone know where i can get a batt box lid?

Jaffer
03-03-2002, 05:43 PM
Actually-
It's wierd because the batt box lid is welded to the cowl and there's no 'box' under it.
Seems they used the old style cowl with a cut out for it then tacked on a cover.
It doesn't have hinges and a screw down latch like the older
real battery boxes. But you can see there is a cover sure enough.
That's why I said they must have used some of the older stuff ... frame, tub for the first couple thousand CJ-6s.

Al Kaholick
03-03-2002, 09:58 PM
i snapped some pics of it for you guys today, here they are, hope it helps

Al Kaholick
03-03-2002, 10:00 PM
:D

Al Kaholick
03-03-2002, 10:01 PM
:beer:

Al Kaholick
03-03-2002, 10:02 PM
:flipoff2:

Al Kaholick
03-03-2002, 10:02 PM
:smokin:

yjtj
03-04-2002, 05:07 AM
so what yah gonna do with this bad boy?

bigwillys
03-04-2002, 06:00 AM
well id like it to look somewhat like its supposed to (body-wise, not suspension or engine-wise hehe) so ill blast it and get some of the shitty bondo outta it. and i want to get a lid for the batt box in the cowl and reinstall the inset circle on the passengerside in front of the door. in the pics you can see where these two pieces were cut out and welded over. ill paint it with an olive drab colored bedliner so its kinda got an army look. and im thinking about putting in a 350 chevy with a toyota 5 speed and dual tcases. i have a 14 bolt for the rear, and then i have to find a buy a 60 (itll probably cost as much as the whole rest of the jeep will) im gonna use springs with big pin offsets to get good angles on it. prolly run 40s or so in the end. what does everyone think?

hubeid
03-04-2002, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by Jaffer
Actually-
It's wierd because the batt box lid is welded to the cowl and there's no 'box' under it.
Seems they used the old style cowl with a cut out for it then tacked on a cover.
It doesn't have hinges and a screw down latch like the older
real battery boxes. But you can see there is a cover sure enough.
That's why I said they must have used some of the older stuff ... frame, tub for the first couple thousand CJ-6s.

My '56 CJ-5 has the same type of cowl. It has the box lid (welded shut as well) with no "box" under it. I thought that a previous owner had welded it shut. Thanks for the info Jaffer! :D