So I bought my buggy from Wilson back in March, and have taken it out twice. Once to Shredder Canyon and once to the Hammers. Everywhere I went I was plagued with axle problems. The SBC 350 and 39.5" TSL's were just too much for the D44 and 9". 2 chromo stub shafts shattered and 1 stocker spit the caps, and the 9" ring and pinion have no teeth left on em and the pinion support broke off. And that was being easy on it :D

So I got a 4.56 SRW 14 bolt with a Detroit, shaved the crap outta it and welded link mounts on. And the 35 spline chromo D60 with 4.56s from Highonda should be here tomorrow. :grinpimp: Keeping it all fullwidth, and the 3.5" BS Trail Ready locks are gonna be about 2 more weeks.

Spent a couple days beefing up the rear diff cover. Left a piece of 1/4" plate hanging over from the housing so the cover won't peel back. And no, I'm not keeping it shit brown, it's just all I had and I don't want it to rust.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=193248&stc=1

The 2" tall hunk of diff I cut off is sitting there to show how much improvement it is.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=193249&stc=1

Upper tower is 1 1/2" .250 DOM with a 3/16" shark fin type gusset on top and I gusseted and boxed in the bottom with 1/8.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=193250&stc=1

Still need to weld the air shock mounts on and modify the driveshaft. Will probably keep the drums for a while if they work good enough for the cutting brakes.

Very cool. I'm hoping to have #31 done in 2 months or so with 60s front and rear and 44s (got a screaming deal on them)

Nice...

I shall not covet...I shall not covet...I shall not.........


Lookin awesome :D

Very cool. I'm hoping to have #31 done in 2 months or so with 60s front and rear and 44s (got a screaming deal on them)


Cool. Been watching your build. Looks good.

"Formula Toy #004 gets 1 tons "

One ton(s)?

I only see one ton :flipoff2:

Dont worry, Im sure you will still be able to break somthing :laughing:

ftoy unlimated class

"Formula Toy #004 gets 1 tons "

One ton(s)?

I only see one ton :flipoff2:



http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=193678&stc=1

Satisfied? :flipoff2:


This stuff dwarfs the 44 crap, except the stock 30 spline stub, but the new 35 spline stub is beefy :grinpimp:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=193677&stc=1

looks good, :cool2: the shark fin gusset is neat, If you get any rear steer that thing will act like a rudder at high speeds! :flipoff2:

Looking good Brandon, For some reason I think youll find a way to break em .Are you going to be ready for the fordyce / rubicon trip??I just got my rig on the road agin had to replace the ring and pinion and buy another tire and rim,but its ready.

Finally took this sum'bitch wheelin. Took it to the Hammers yesterday. Only ran 2 trails, ran into a lot of traffic on Sledge, made some friends and then went for a high speed night run up Aftershock.

Worked great, but I definatley have to relearn how to wheel with a rig so much wider than what I'm used to. For some reason, I could not get it up the plaque rock ledge. Tried every line from middle to far right, up the crack on the left and even over the damn plaque rock itself:shaking: Couldn't make it without lots of help...but at least I didn't break anything for once:D


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209494&stc=1&d=1128895164

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209491&stc=1&d=1128895164

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209492&stc=1&d=1128895164

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209493&stc=1&d=1128895164

Friggin' sweet!!!:smokin:

sick, awesome work.

good deal brandon. wish i was there to go with ya.

Right on, now I just need you to meet me half way this week so I have something to wheel for jackass initiations :flipoff2: So you were able to still run 15" wheels?

Finally took this sum'bitch wheelin. Took it to the Hammers yesterday. Only ran 2 trails, ran into a lot of traffic on Sledge, made some friends and then went for a high speed night run up Aftershock.



Sweet! But it's too bad we missed ya. We spanked Wrecking Ball yesterday with no real traffic from the VV4Wheeler crowd :D

BTW, Your rig looks great:smokin:

Sweet! But it's too bad we missed ya. We spanked Wrecking Ball yesterday with no real traffic from the VV4Wheeler crowd :D

BTW, Your rig looks great:smokin:


I pulled into the lakebed around 1:15 Sat morning, so I was probably still asleep when you hit the trail head. But it looks like I'll be going back in 2 weeks and a lot more times after that. Should put together a F-Toy/X-chassis run:cool2:


Wilson, I'll meet ya half way if you buy the CTM's and Poly driveflanges for it. Gotta rig up a temporary skid plate for the steering, too, while I wait for the Crane cover to build off of. Oh, and the PS pump is leaking, too.
Still running the 15" wheels. Had to grind a bit off the front calipers, but not too much.
Do you know if the steering ram has internal stops in it, BTW?

good work, i love to see the d60/14b combo under a buggy. it's always the last thing i worry about breaking. i hope more FTs go full-width. (not the comp ones, of course)

Hey nice wheels!!

Man that looks fun,
no freakin cones or judges,
just lots of rocks:D

Wow..you said two weeks and you really got it done in two weeks. Looks fawking awesome.:D I woulda gone..I spent all weekend in the shop tearin' apart my motor...and finding LOTS of broken parts...:mad:

Looks MUCH better now :D :D

And a nice thing--you can shave a 100# by tossing them thar drums :D

...But it looks like I'll be going back in 2 weeks...

Same here :D
We will be camped at the northeast side of the lakebed.

[QUOTE=Im4yotas]Finally took this sum'bitch wheelin. Took it to the Hammers yesterday. Only ran 2 trails, ran into a lot of traffic on Sledge, made some friends and then went for a high speed night run up Aftershock.

Worked great, but I definatley have to relearn how to wheel with a rig so much wider than what I'm used to. For some reason, I could not get it up the plaque rock ledge. Tried every line from middle to far right, up the crack on the left and even over the damn plaque rock itself:shaking: Couldn't make it without lots of help...but at least I didn't break anything for once:D

Yeah, did you unstack all those rocks?:rolleyes:

No offense dude, but watching you trying to get up that ledge convinced me to stick with my Toyota axles. I know there is no perfect formula in building a rockcrawler, and I've seen FW rigs take alternative lines, but where else do you go on that obstacle?

Doc, who had a great time at Johnson Valley

I pulled into the lakebed around 1:15 Sat morning, so I was probably still asleep when you hit the trail head. But it looks like I'll be going back in 2 weeks and a lot more times after that. Should put together a F-Toy/X-chassis run:cool2:


Wilson, I'll meet ya half way if you buy the CTM's and Poly driveflanges for it. Gotta rig up a temporary skid plate for the steering, too, while I wait for the Crane cover to build off of. Oh, and the PS pump is leaking, too.
Still running the 15" wheels. Had to grind a bit off the front calipers, but not too much.
Do you know if the steering ram has internal stops in it, BTW?

For that $$ I could turn my current truck into a wheeler :flipoff2: Not sure on internal stops, call Station or look up his thread in general on ram specs. Same for the pump, tell him where it's leaking and see if he can offer some advice. It was a brand new pump. I think the bottom res. hose leaks a little bit, could it be that? I can pm you Sean's number when I get home.

I have his number Jeremy, thanks.


Doc, I'm not offended, I was pretty frustrated at it myself. But it forces me to take new more creative lines instead of the same old line that I just walked easy with Toy axles (if they didn't break:rolleyes: ). But it's worth it because that is the 1st time in 3 years that I've gone to JV without breaking. And I'm no throttle jocky.

Also, I wanted to unstack those rocks, but we had 2 rigs in our group with leaking radiators/hoses and we decided to get back to camp ASAP before more problems arose. I figured if anybody was worried enough to bitch about it, they could unstack them:flipoff2:

Should've stopped by and said hi so you could talk trash in person:D I didn't even see you.

Well, That is my favoite F-Toy now. Who cares if you cant compete with it in the F-Toy class, that thing whoops mega ass....:)

That was fun, thats my white truck in the pic. Glad you guys stuck around and finished the trail with us. Cool People. Wish I could have made that run up aftershock with you guess that night. Had to get that radiator line that night. Did it the next day after claw. Took some silly line on aftershock between 2 big ass rocks, had to go high on the right side and put my drivers door into the rock and busted my window. Guess its time to make 1/2 doors.:D

You guys were fun to wheel with, hope to run into you guys again some time.:cool2:

Well, That is my favoite F-Toy now. Who cares if you cant compete with it in the F-Toy class, that thing whoops mega ass....:)


Wow, that's a hell of a compliment. There's some pretty nice F-toys out there. Oh, and I get to compete in this one:D

http://www.off-road.com/rock/2005prorock/prorock4/6480.jpg


That was fun, thats my white truck in the pic. Glad you guys stuck around and finished the trail with us. Cool People. Wish I could have made that run up aftershock with you guess that night. Had to get that radiator line that night. Did it the next day after claw. Took some silly line on aftershock between 2 big ass rocks, had to go high on the right side and put my drivers door into the rock and busted my window. Guess its time to make 1/2 doors.:D

You guys were fun to wheel with, hope to run into you guys again some time.:cool2:


Glad you got to wheel some more. Told ya you had to sacrifice your door though:laughing: You can make it back out in a couple weeks, right? I know you're thinking of going back this weekend, too.

Oh, and I get to compete in this one:D

http://www.off-road.com/rock/2005prorock/prorock4/6480.jpg





For 2nd place :D :flipoff2: :D

For 2nd place :D :flipoff2: :D

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :D

For 2nd place :D :flipoff2: :D


All that matters is we had all you guys running scared more than once:flipoff2: Congrats on the season, BTW, and I like the new/old short bus:p



May as well throw in a couple poser pics.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209730&stc=1&d=1129009460

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=209731&stc=1&d=1129009460

Thought that axle wasn't going to be shiat brown? Need some paint for it? :laughing:
Looking good there, Brandon.
Danny

Yeah, I still don't have any paint:shaking:

I have his number Jeremy, thanks.


Doc, I'm not offended, I was pretty frustrated at it myself. But it forces me to take new more creative lines instead of the same old line that I just walked easy with Toy axles (if they didn't break:rolleyes: ). But it's worth it because that is the 1st time in 3 years that I've gone to JV without breaking. And I'm no throttle jocky.

Also, I wanted to unstack those rocks, but we had 2 rigs in our group with leaking radiators/hoses and we decided to get back to camp ASAP before more problems arose. I figured if anybody was worried enough to bitch about it, they could unstack them:flipoff2:

Should've stopped by and said hi so you could talk trash in person:D I didn't even see you.

Yeah, it does demand different lines that's for sure, and I can totally understand the no breakage factor, I think I've been lucky in that I've only broken one long-side inner front and one stock rear axle, in multiple trips to the Hammers.

BTW, that Solder-Seal came from my toolbox, I hope it worked. And I did stop by...I watched you sweating your ass off stacking those rocks, you looked a little frustrated.:laughing:

We'll (Total Karnage (http://totalkarnage.net), be back for the Bender Jambo for sure, last year we brought a keg of Sin City Ale so come on by. We're usually on the Back Door side of the lakebed.

Have fun with that rig.

Doc

Took er out to the Hammers again. Still didn't break, even though any onlookers might have thought I was trying to:p

Ran up wrecking ball, down claw, and a couple trips to backdoor.

Got some new protection for the steering put on. Tube clamp from PIG so I can take the diff cover off:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=211647&stc=1&d=1130132478

The fall on wrecking ball was pretty tore up.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=211655&stc=1&d=1130134326

Ran backdoor Sat night and made it pretty easy. Ran it again this morning and got denied:confused:

This is a fun line

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=211656&stc=1&d=1130134326

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=211658&stc=1&d=1130134326

This is where I got denied. Tried all over the left line, middle, and far right. Just about had it up the middle.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=211654&stc=1&d=1130134326

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=211628&stc=1&d=1130132478

Means Lake and low flying military aircraft
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=211657&stc=1&d=1130134326

Very Cool :D

Looks like somebody got happy with a can opener on my rig...

what ya doing to it man? it was sick before?? must be makin it sicker :smokin:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228309&stc=1&d=1139198662

Ditched the old painful plastic seats, and put in PRP's. Little less headroom.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228310&stc=1&d=1139198662

Got the back of the seats as low as I could. Had to get a little tricky with this mount being over the t-case. Tube clamp from PIG so I can remove the t-case (has to come out the top).

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228311&stc=1&d=1139198662

Here's what's left of the cage.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228312&stc=1&d=1139198662

And what's to become the new one:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228313&stc=1&d=1139198662

nice, thats the one thing ive always disliked about the f-toys is the nasty roofline, get it and maybe they will use some of your ideas

Ben

Also got some other new stuff.

H1 wheels so I can narrow it.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228321&stc=1&d=1139199620

Then I sent this pic with a few dimensions to BlueTorchFab.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228322&stc=1&d=1139199620

Can't beat it for $40 each. They did a great job, everything came out perfect!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228323&stc=1&d=1139199620

Axle goodies

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228324&stc=1&d=1139199620

Oh, and bumpstops. These would have saved me a few headaches:shaking: Timbren A550-55's

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228325&stc=1&d=1139199620

sick

nice, thats the one thing ive always disliked about the f-toys is the nasty roofline, get it and maybe they will use some of your ideas

Ben


What do you mean nasty roofline?? I always thought they looked pretty good. :confused:

Brandon,
Can't leave it alone, eh? I'm sure you will make it better this time. Well, maybe, cuz you'll see something that should have been done and then you'll do it. :p
Are you making more headroom? Sturdier cage?
looking like a convertible to me.
Did ya use that cruiser hood? I saw the Toyota emblem on the rig. Is there any Toyota to it?
Oh yeah, looking good.
Danny

Just trying to get everything done that I had in mind. Want to get all the big projects out of the way so when I move and have no $$ the rig won't be causing problems and needing more $$ dumped into it.

But I'll still probably get into other projects with it...

Just making more headroom. I tossed around all my options, and this was the best one, IMO. Cage was sturdy enough. Sean's has been rolled hard and held up fine. I might actually leave the X brace out for more room this time around. Not sure yet.

Cruiser hood is still in the plans. But I either have to widen it to fit around the fender tubes and sit flush with the dash, or cut the outer edges off. Still has 1/2 a Toyota frame, 1/2 a Toyota t-case, and 1/2 a Toyota grill:D

:smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

Just trying to get everything done that I had in mind. Want to get all the big projects out of the way so when I move and have no $$ the rig won't be causing problems and needing more $$ dumped into it.

But I'll still probably get into other projects with it...

Just making more headroom. I tossed around all my options, and this was the best one, IMO. Cage was sturdy enough. Sean's has been rolled hard and held up fine. I might actually leave the X brace out for more room this time around. Not sure yet.

Cruiser hood is still in the plans. But I either have to widen it to fit around the fender tubes and sit flush with the dash, or cut the outer edges off. Still has 1/2 a Toyota frame, 1/2 a Toyota t-case, and 1/2 a Toyota grill:D

Very nice! I've always like the profile of the FTOY. Can't wait to see it finished.

Doing a cruiser hood on mine also to match the grill Mike put in. Now just finding one is the problem..Poly performance has hoods, but they are a little pricey.

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/product.php?productid=331&cat=0&page=1

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/t_331.jpg

I can't believe you cut the whole roof off to add head room. Whay didn't you just lower the seats by cutting the top of the frame down??

I can't believe you cut the whole roof off to add head room. Whay didn't you just lower the seats by cutting the top of the frame down??

most likely the tcase front output is in the way.

most likely the tcase front output is in the way.

In the way enough to justify cutting the whole roof off? I doubt it. I can think of alot of other ways to gain head room other than that.

I can't believe you cut the whole roof off to add head room. Whay didn't you just lower the seats by cutting the top of the frame down??

I AGREE 100% WITH DESERTOY. CHOPPING THE FRAME WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BETTER WAY TO GO. AND PROBABLY ALOT EASIER TOO. IMO. STILL LOOS KILLER THO. AND YOU'LL BE LOVIN PRP TOO.

The front of the pass. seat is on top of the t-case already, and the back of both seats are tight against the upper link mounts. If I dropped the link mounts enough to get the room I needed, I'd have around 200%+ AS...

The case could be clocked down more, but it was all a tight fit when I put it together. I went with the cheap plastic seats because I had to cut half of the bottom out of the passenger seat to clear the clocked D300. I would think that a combo of clocking the case down, notching the frame and rocking the seats back may have netted you enough room.....but I can see where you're coming from on the link mounts.

Tcase
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=114347&stc=1&d=1078543815


Upper link mount
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=118581&stc=1&d=1080535079
Back view
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=118579&stc=1&d=1080534963

The front of the pass. seat is on top of the t-case already, and the back of both seats are tight against the upper link mounts. If I dropped the link mounts enough to get the room I needed, I'd have around 200%+ AS...


I think you just like cutting shit up and rebuilding it:flipoff2:

Yah, I think so. I plan on doing this stuff for a living within a year. Good practice, right:D

I don't know if the pic showed it very well, but the top of my head is about even with the center of the top tubes. So the seat would have had to go down a lot.

Got a couple days to work on it. The 2 main tubes were a PITA without a helper, so I had to get tricky. Rest of the tube work should be pretty easy.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=232736&stc=1&d=1141617468

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=232739&stc=1&d=1141617468

Still have to replace the center bearing...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=232737&stc=1&d=1141617468

And I finally found a deal on some new treads:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=232738&stc=1&d=1141617468

are those 42's.

are those 42's.


cant you read?? :flipoff2:

are those 42's.


Yup:grinpimp:

what center bearing is that? just have slop and how long did it last?

I ditched the toy carrier, went with a 1 1/2" pillowblock, got 2 runs on it so far and it is good, wondering what I can expect to get out of it. May have to get a spare.

what center bearing is that? just have slop and how long did it last?

I ditched the toy carrier, went with a 1 1/2" pillowblock, got 2 runs on it so far and it is good, wondering what I can expect to get out of it. May have to get a spare.


It's whatever Jesse uses, was all new when I bought it.

It's whatever Jesse uses, was all new when I bought it.

I think I heard him yelling.......... "fucking Wilson!".... when it broke:laughing:




Just kidding, I think he hit some big whops or a jump and ds compressed too much and bottem out hard and took out that bearing cap.

is it an off the shelf pillow block? does it fit the stock 2 piece toy shaft?

I was going to run the stock toy one for my front shaft but something solid might be nice.

is it an off the shelf pillow block? does it fit the stock 2 piece toy shaft?

I was going to run the stock toy one for my front shaft but something solid might be nice.


No, it's an all new bearing assembly, not pillow block. Was that the same jump that took out the starter? Driveshaft must be too short?

I was running down the main road out of the lakebed at the Hammers. I used to know the road really well, but it changed and I hit some unexpected whoops. I had just lengthened the driveshaft 2" after swapping in the Toy rear mains, and it bottomed out. Hit the starter again, too:shaking: I need to get those bumpstops in!

Jess got me a new bearing. But the Hendrix unit slides over the stock shaft and eliminates the crappy stock bearing piece.

Damn Brandon fawkin 42's your crazy bro! I need to get another xcab efi If you see one let me know I m looking but havent found one yet.I miss rock crawlin already but atleast I can wheelie an f4i now hahaha! Also hang on to any extra toy parts Im going to need them!

BEN!!!! Good to see you still got the itch. Thought you might have burnt out. Let you know if I see anything.

You going to the Jambo? Terry already asked for shotgun, but there's seats in other rigs I think.

I had mentioned it in another thread, but the stock toy carrier bearing sucks, didnt last 1 day on my setup. a 1 1/2" pillowblock slides over a stock toy 2 piece perfectly. $20 greasable. it replaces the whole assembly.

but, I guess what you have would work fine with out it bottoming out. :D

I had mentioned it in another thread, but the stock toy carrier bearing sucks, didnt last 1 day on my setup. a 1 1/2" pillowblock slides over a stock toy 2 piece perfectly. $20 greasable. it replaces the whole assembly.

but, I guess what you have would work fine with out it bottoming out. :D

thats what I was looking for figured it was an off the shelf part. Thanks :beer:

you should have called i was sitting on my thumb all weekend :D and doesnt someone who you helped build a formula for owe you some bitchboy time ?

BEN!!!! Good to see you still got the itch. Thought you might have burnt out. Let you know if I see anything.

You going to the Jambo? Terry already asked for shotgun, but there's seats in other rigs I think.


Not sure about the jambo yet,but If I get another rig Ill be there!Im finishing up my 67 nova this month and then Its back to booty fabin!! 2 low ridders are enough for me, I need somthing that wil crawl!

Well, I got a little more time to work on it. Been waiting for the rain and wind to stop since I have to work on it outside...

I crushed one of the air shock mounts last time out, so I made a splice and sleeves. Made a spacer out of EMT to hold the tabs at 1 5/16" while I weld (shocks call for 1 1/4", little extra helps get the shock and spacers in), and plug welds all over.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=237817&stc=1&d=1144038191

Was welding in between the gusts of wind. Got the overhead bars and B pillars done. But it wore out my old HFT notcher, should have a new ProTools notcher showing up soon. Then I can finish up the tube work.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=237818&stc=1&d=1144038191

Did a little painting while it was raining during the week...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=237819&stc=1&d=1144038191



Turns out I have to cut off the air shock tabs. Welded them pointing straight at the lower mounts, but they bind hard at full droop. I think I'm gonna have to take a few days off of work to get this thing ready for the Bender Jambo.

Need an update!:D More pics. of whats been going on. Every time I go out into the garage I wonder what my 60's would look like under my F-toy. Your build is awsome. I like what you've been doing.:smokin:

Thanks. Update, ok...

More rain today. Did a couple little things. Made a strap to hold the battery down (relocated under the driver seat), threaded connectors for all-thread will be welded to the top of the belly pan to catch the bolts.

Also got a new toy to play with. 1" dimple die from Kieth. I had to figure it out the hard way (the wrong way) a couple times, but I got it to work. The gusset is for my front bumpstops.

Also got a little more painting on the wheels done. 1 rock ring left.

I didn't think there was room for a battery under the driver's seat with the exhaust? I'm jealous about the dimple die

Thanks for the update. I've got to get one of those dimple dies. Go fast holes are my favorite. Strong work!:smokin:

Lookin good , man. I think Wilson is secretly at home , crying:crybaby2:

:laughing:

I didn't think there was room for a battery under the driver's seat with the exhaust? I'm jealous about the dimple die


Not with the plastic seats. I hacked out a bunch of the old seat mounts and moved a couple verticle supports, and it just barely tucks in vertically. Side terminals are right at the little window between the t-case mount structure and the bottom of the frame. It's about 3" from the exhaust, think that's enough?

Dimples look cool, and it is way stiffer than the solid sheet, but what a PITA. No press, so I have to run a bolt through and hit it with the impact (already siezed 1 bolt), then the enitre sheet bows a bit and I have to straighten it out against the anvil. No 1" drill, so I have to plasma the hole and then clean it up. Would be nice to have someone to learn this stuff from. Dammit Hobie:flipoff2:

Thanks for the update. I've got to get one of those dimple dies. Go fast holes are my favorite. Strong work!:smokin:


Ha, yah, I noticed you like go fast holes, too.:D

Not with the plastic seats. I hacked out a bunch of the old seat mounts and moved a couple verticle supports, and it just barely tucks in vertically. Side terminals are right at the little window between the t-case mount structure and the bottom of the frame. It's about 3" from the exhaust, think that's enough?

Dimples look cool, and it is way stiffer than the solid sheet, but what a PITA. No press, so I have to run a bolt through and hit it with the impact (already siezed 1 bolt), then the enitre sheet bows a bit and I have to straighten it out against the anvil. No 1" drill, so I have to plasma the hole and then clean it up. Would be nice to have someone to learn this stuff from. Dammit Hobie:flipoff2:


Hmmm, sounds close possibly for pre- muffler exhaust and that close to the header (back pressure = extra heat). Wind it up for a while and put your hand next to the battery. If anything a small heat shield should be enough. And I take back the part about being jealous of the dimple die, with as much work as you go through for it :flipoff2: Get a press and some hole-saws

Here's the link to the dimple dies, BTW. Only place I've seen them sold in singles for over 1/2".

http://www.xtremecrawlers.com/catalog/toolsbenders-flared-hole-dies-c-72_67.html

The notcher I ordered from them just came in today, too:D

Here's the link to the dimple dies, BTW. Only place I've seen them sold in singles for over 1/2".

http://www.xtremecrawlers.com/catalog/toolsbenders-flared-hole-dies-c-72_67.html

The notcher I ordered from them just came in today, too:D

Damn nice link...single dimple dies are here!!!!!!!!!!!! that's the only thing that has kept me from buying them is the cost due to a set! I'm stoked, and I got a press :flipoff2:

Ordering up some tomorrow!!!:D I can see holes in everything now. By the way, it sounds like it's time for a press.

Yeah, I would have loved some dimple dies for this
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=228129&d=1139102973

Got the rest of the cage made and tacked in place.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239049&stc=1&d=1144646002

Hard to see what it's gonna look like this close.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239050&stc=1&d=1144646002

I've never had bumpstops before, I'm so excited!:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239051&stc=1&d=1144646002

Perfect little spot for the battery after rearranging the floor structure.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239052&stc=1&d=1144646002

Good access to side terminals for jumpstarts. Just have to find out where to get the side terminals...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=239053&stc=1&d=1144646002


It's been a bitch, but it's getting there. Weather has been crazy, either rain or wind non stop:shaking: And the welder hasn't been running very smooth for the last couple weeks. It finally died tonight 1/4 of the way through welding up the cage and bumpstops:( Should still be under warranty, but time is running short.

Looks good, was wondering how it was going. One weekend left to get it finished. Next weekend I have to redo my rear spring hangers, I know last minute crap. The worst part is I am up here in Vegas till the jambo. Leave here that Wed and go to the jambo Thursday. Your buggy is looking good man:cool2:

Hey Brandon I've got a miller 185 that I'd be willing to loan you for a couple weeks. Give me a call 818-535-0131

I have a dumb question for you F-toy guys. Is it no longer a F-to if you run 60's or a 14 bolt or 44's or any of that? It seems like it would no longer be a F-toy if you got rid of the yota axles but i'm not sure. Maybe someone could help me out with this one.

It cannot compete in the formula class unless it pulls a tent trailer behind it. It is still a formula chassis though. You forgot the V8 too :flipoff2:

If you haven't found 'em yet, every autoparts store carries the screw-in side terminals near the replacement battery cables.

Try looking near the battery rack at the 'Zone. ;)

brandon - dans got a brand new miler 135 sitting in his garage i sure he would let you borrow for some help on his next project :D .. shit if you give me some $$ i'll tell you the combo you can just go pick it up .

brandon - dans got a brand new miler 135 sitting in his garage i sure he would let you borrow for some help on his next project :D .. shit if you give me some $$ i'll tell you the combo you can just go pick it up .

Hey slacker, wheres the single seat buggy at?:flipoff2:

Brandons bringing his rig to the shop so he can work on it till 2am everynight up til the night before the jambo like usual:laughing:

then hes getting waaay too early of a start he needs to wait til mon evening to start :D

I may actually have time for some fancy stuff, like paint, front AND rear winches, maybe even a tach:D

Can't get it to Sean's shop til Saturday, will take a couple days off of work to finish it up (I think I can just call in sick to work, right Sean?). Hope to head out to the Jambo on Weds.

Well, I worked my ass off and got it to the Jambo. But I don't have any trail pics because it was broken all weekend.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=241460&stc=1&d=1145856416

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=241461&stc=1&d=1145856416

Can't be more specific? That sucks! Looks like a rear air shock?

Can't be more specific? That sucks! Looks like a rear air shock?

hes probably SO pissed....i would be. that sucks man.

Just creating some suspense:flipoff2:

Thursday it was the rear driveshaft CV joint. Fixed it Friday and then broke the studs that that hold the U bolt plate to the front diff and that side of the axle fell away from the buggy. Broke the front shaft in the process.

This was the fix.

hes probably SO pissed....i would be. that sucks man.


Naw, that wouldn't do me any good. I was at the Hammers wheelin with some good friends, throwin back a few beers. Life is good:cool2:

Naw, that wouldn't do me any good. I was at the Hammers wheelin with some good friends, throwin back a few beers. Life is good:cool2:

Admire your attitude...Tube work looks awesome..nice job:flipoff2:

Wellllll, at least your new "blingy bump stops" worked huh!?! :flipoff2:

Admire your attitude...Tube work looks awesome..nice job:flipoff2:

x2

Dig the tubework--it has some serious attitude.

Going with bigger studs, or grinding the diff to fit real u-bolts?

Thanks, I am really happy with how it turned out. Doesn't look super high, but I feel like I have a much better view.

As for the studs, I think I may have to drill them out and tap them to the next bigger size. But I think the problem is with the U bolts loosening, and the studs not. I've been torquing everything before I go out for a weekend, and I should be doing it between trails. They were always really loose by the end of the weekend.



Those blingy bumpstops might just grace the pages of Crawl:laughing: I think the guy was digging the carnage.

i accidentally took home some of your beers :flipoff2: ... oh yah it worked great on the first half of wrecking ball :D i think you need to get rid of the rest of the toy parts they dont go with your skinny petal

i accidentally took home some of your beers :flipoff2: ... oh yah it worked great on the first half of wrecking ball :D i think you need to get rid of the rest of the toy parts they dont go with your skinny petal


Skinny pedal? I barely cracked it open past half throttle on the trail:D


And you just better remember to bring some extra beer back when we get started on your buggy. Let me know when you want to get that going. I'm not in a rush to fix my junk yet.

i accidentally took home some of your beers :flipoff2: ... oh yah it worked great on the first half of wrecking ball :D i think you need to get rid of the rest of the toy parts they dont go with your skinny petal


Wish I could find the picture, but parts literally fly out of it when the skinny pedal is fully depressed:flipoff2:

I like the idea of 1 tons on an F-Toy chassis, and I'm "toying" with the idea.
What is the spring center-spring center on your front axle ? I can see how
you made the front mount for the front leaf springs, but I don't see any pics
of the shackle hangers for the rear of the front leafs. Got any pics of that ?

I like the idea of 1 tons on an F-Toy chassis, and I'm "toying" with the idea.
What is the spring center-spring center on your front axle ? I can see how
you made the front mount for the front leaf springs, but I don't see any pics
of the shackle hangers for the rear of the front leafs. Got any pics of that ?


Spring center for a stock Chevy D60 is 31.5," Dodge is 32.5". The shackle hangers are outboarded. I never took pictures because it's been done thousands of times, nothing new.

Spring center for a stock Chevy D60 is 31.5," Dodge is 32.5". The shackle hangers are outboarded. I never took pictures because it's been done thousands of times, nothing new.


I was asking "Im4yotas" the question. :flipoff2:

I also know the *stock* spring center measurements of the Chevy and Dodge
D60 fronts. I wanted Im4yotas to tell me if he narrowed his front D60 and
altered those measurements. BTW, I have a full width D44 with 31.5" springs
centers and outboarded springs on my CJ7, so I also know how to do that.
I haven't seen Im4yotas solution on HIS Toy frame though.

It is still the way Wilson built it. Uncut axles, outboarded shackle hangars. Haven't found any decent pics but I can snap a few of how Jeremy did them if you are really interested.

I was asking "Im4yotas" the question. :flipoff2:

I also know the *stock* spring center measurements of the Chevy and Dodge
D60 fronts. I wanted Im4yotas to tell me if he narrowed his front D60 and
altered those measurements. BTW, I have a full width D44 with 31.5" springs
centers and outboarded springs on my CJ7, so I also know how to do that.
I haven't seen Im4yotas solution on HIS Toy frame though.


Well, smart guy...seeing how I built the rig I KNOW how it's setup. :flipoff2: back at ya

Well, smart guy...seeing how I built the rig I KNOW how it's setup. :flipoff2: back at ya


Didn't know you built it. :emb:
I's still like to see the shackle mounts for the back of the front leafs please.

Found one that snuck in there
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=136006

On this one, I welded a piece of .250 angle and then gusseted it to the frame. Looks like the gussets are not on in this pic, but they extend to the top of the frame rail. I've also done it with .250 flat plate welded to the bottom of the frame and gussets along the outside. The hanger itself is 1.75 x .120 tubing with wrangler bushings and gussets.

Found one that snuck in there
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=136006

On this one, I welded a piece of .250 angle and then gusseted it to the frame. Looks like the gussets are not on in this pic, but they extend to the top of the frame rail. I've also done it with .250 flat plate welded to the bottom of the frame and gussets along the outside. The hanger itself is 1.75 x .120 tubing with wrangler bushings and gussets.


Thanks.

Here's the finished piece. I've absolutely punished that front suspension high speed and low speed. No problems with the mounts.

Here's the finished piece. I've absolutely punished that front suspension high speed and low speed. No problems with the mounts.


Thanks a lot. Exactly what I wanted to see. :D

Heres a pretty good pic of it from yesterday:laughing: :laughing:

Slight undercut in the rock. Just bump it a bit. :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=243960&stc=1&d=1147066969

That was the 2nd time I had my oil changed this weekend:shaking: Punched a hole in the oil pan Friday night...

Cool little fall on sunbonnet.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=243961&stc=1&d=1147066969

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=243962&stc=1&d=1147066969

Made that pretty easy. But I got denied on dirty sanchez today.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=243963&stc=1&d=1147066969

Wadded up the rear shaft where I had welded in a piece of a stock shaft to the .120 wall shaft (trail fix from the broken CV joint at the jambo...)

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=243964&stc=1&d=1147066969

you have issues so what was the carnage list from this trip ? and how did it do over all did you actually get in one full trail ?

:laughing: He almost made all of Jack the first night, but when we stoped at the top of the hillclimb I noticed a trail of oil coming from his oil pan. He had kissed a rock somewhere along the trail. We fixed it with a hammer to get back to camp.

I don't think he broke anything Saturday and we did sunbonnet and hwy 20.

Few more pics-



Plaque rock??:D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=244076&stc=1&d=1147147963


Fun little optional that Heywood couldn't make:flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=244077&stc=1&d=1147147963


This is about where he flopped. I have a few hundred extra pounds of unsprung weight holding me down.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=244078&stc=1&d=1147147963


I get's tight quick.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=244079&stc=1&d=1147147963


Couldn't make that next turn, so I took the early exit. Should have watched how Tim made it through first.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=244080&stc=1&d=1147147963

you have issues so what was the carnage list from this trip ? and how did it do over all did you actually get in one full trail ?


Carnage - 1 oil pan, 1 rear shaft, 1 hood mount tab, 2 hoods, some of Tim's pretty new panels and paint:flipoff2: and 1 broken track bar bolt. Oh, and Jeremy with the Zuki moon buggy thing destroyed his aluminum wheels, fried the alternator and put a screwdriver through the air horn on his carb:laughing:

We ran jack, sunbonnet and hwy 20 before I got too low on 'pane. Rode shotgun on sledge with Sean. Then Jeremy taco'd his wheel. We speed wheeled back to camp for Sean's spare, and made it back up sledge from the entrance just past the mail box in about 8 or 10 minutes. Sunday we went over to dirty sanchez where Tim was killing it and I broke. Then we watched Tim go crazy on backdoor.

I think it's time to park it for a while and take care of some of the details and the stuff I scraped together last minute before a run...and definatley some better driveshafts:shaking:

thanks for inviting a brother :flipoff2: .. i'll be ready to start bending tube by the end of the week .

thanks for inviting a brother :flipoff2: .. i'll be ready to start bending tube by the end of the week .


You aren't cool enough. Buggy only run. And 2ke drove all the way out from AZ to ride shotgun with me just for Saturday. Most of the pics are from him. Thanks Eric:cool2:

Well if I can't wheel cuz my junks apart, the least I can do is drive fom AZ for one night drink some :beer: and take pictures...then drive back Sat. Any pics of Tim's ascent on Hwy. 20 gettin posted up?

Well if I can't wheel cuz my junks apart, the least I can do is drive fom AZ for one night drink some :beer: and take pictures...then drive back Sat. Any pics of Tim's ascent on Hwy. 20 gettin posted up?


I put it up in my build thread. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5448498#post5448498

Thanks again for all the pics.

i dig this buggy, just the fact that it has a 3rd gen front markers is my favorite. One of my favorite buggys man. you did a really good job.

it looks really nice in the two spots i see it the most the trailer and sitting at camp :flipoff2:

Means Lake and low flying military aircraft
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=211657&stc=1&d=1130134326


Dude thanks,
That's a nice picture of my red Suburban.:D I think I ran Clawhammer that day. Too bad I parted it out so I can build a Formula 4.

Well, I was looking through some pics, and decided to add some of what I've done since the last update.

1st thing I did was fix that driveshaft. 2.5" schedule 80 pipe fit the bill for a part Toy and part Chevy shaft. Leave a little weld on the Toy end (tapered to help center it), take a little extra off the Chevy end, and grind off the weld inside the pipe with a super small over used grinding disc.


Got a new oil pan. Chrome was the only thing in stock that would fit...
I didn't want to put a hole in this one, so I formed some plate over it for a skid. Welded up and flapped smooth, can't even tell it's there!

Took the buggy out to the ProRock finals last year just for fun. I had just made the soft top (well, I did all the design, layout and cutting. Moms helped out with the pining and sewing:D ) and put 32 spline outputs in the t case.

Great fun, and I didn't break, but I did slip the rear shaft out on course...made for some good testing of that front output and 4th gear peelin out:smokin:

First trail out with the new oil pan, got my moneys worth outta that skid plate:D

And a cool lookin poser pic with the perty paint before it got scraped off.

Cool, how'd you do at the finals?

1st after the 1st day, but slipping the d-shaft made me miss all but the 1st gate on 4th course day 2, and bumped me down to 3rd. Courses were tight and the buggy is long and wide, so the competition was still pretty even.


I gotta say, it was a blast. I don't know what the other F-toys thought about me running with them and digging 42" holes in the courses, but it was the first comp where I was relaxed and having fun on every course because the points didn't matter.

I learned a lot more about the rig and how to drive it, too.

Were you using front digs, or trying to keep as even as possible? Where's the tent trailer? Geiger said I could compete if I towed a tent trailer behind me.

Man, I barely ever had those rear wheels engaged:D I was front digging all over those courses, even when I didn't need to!

I don't think Chris ever noticed me out there. Gotta have good pics of the boss and not a single one of me in the coverage. It's cool, though. On The Marq had it covered great. 1700+ pics of the event!

What are you doing playing on line in the middle of the day? Go down there and turn your heater on, and get to work.:flipoff2:

I gotta say, it was a blast. I don't know what the other F-toys thought about me running with them and digging 42" holes in the courses, .

you mean the 2nd day where i went right behind you and you thrash all the courses and i lost first place because of it:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:




j/k...you really didnt trash all the courses, just that one obstacle where you lost your rear drive shafts. but it was all good, thats where you impressed your new desert groupies:flipoff2:

i have a pic of them....hang on..i will find it for all the pbb to look at.:flipoff2:

here it is....


these are brandons (im4yotas) hoes that followed him around all day he showed them his stuff:flipoff2:



they are the ones in the back waiting for brandon to go:D


http://formulatoy.org/fotos/albums/userpics/027_27.jpg

mmm, dezert hoze:laughing:

That reminds me, anyone know the area code for Lucerne? I have a few phone #'s that are no good without them...:flipoff2:

mmm, dezert hoze:laughing:

That reminds me, anyone know the area code for Lucerne? I have a few phone #'s that are no good without them...:flipoff2:
try 760

I'm in the middle of putting a d60 / 14B combo on my F-toy right now and will be adding pics. of the build soon. Wanted to know about your D-lines. I saw you had Toy's on the output side and Chevy style at the pinion flange. What did you get the Chevy end off of to fit the D60 flange? Did you do the same in the rear? Toy top and Chev bottom? I've also seen custom flanges that fit the d60 and are drilled for toy d-lines. Trying to decide which way to go.

The 60 has the Toyota conversion flange from High Angle Driveline. 14b has the factory 1350 yoke. Got the slip yoke and complete drive shaft out of a 3/4 ton Suburban at the junkyard to make the new shaft.

How much one of those flanges go for?

$110 with hardware. Pretty sure I would have broken the stock little U joint that came with the 60 a few times already. No problem with the Toyota joint down there:D

I'll be putting in an order tom. Thanks for the input. Do you know if he makes anything for the rear 14 bolt?

Yes

Looks like I will be ordering 2 flanges. Any pics. of those 14 bolt versions? You would think the 60 u-bolts and 14 bolt u-bolts would be tougher than the toy setup.:shaking:

I know I've seen that he has them. I tired to search and couldn't find the post. I'm working out of town tomorrow otherwise I'd just drive by and check for you :flipoff2:

Looks like I will be ordering 2 flanges. Any pics. of those 14 bolt versions? You would think the 60 u-bolts and 14 bolt u-bolts would be tougher than the toy setup.:shaking:

Soon to place an order also. I've never had problems with my Toy U-joints even after bending the ears. Seems like everyone I wheel with using the U-joint straps has to replace them quite often, sometimes breaking the little cap tabs on the flange.