First run at moonrocks didnt go over so well. fixed rear four link and tried again today. Every thing worked great till the front drive shaft let loose taking the oil pan with it.

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pic with buddys 4runner. trying to convince axle swap

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Thank God for the powertank

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let me know what you all think and post up some pics of your mog axled rigs

I really LOVE the benz emblem in front - that's slick.

Nice rig - how do the air shocks work in the front and rear? I have c/o in front, and coils/springs in the rear, and may go to air in the rear for package reasons. I'm running mog9s...

Also, how tall is the top of windshield on level ground, for reference?

That thing is crazy. Looks pretty stable with that axle width :D
Nice work, I like :beer:

Milcrawl,

what kind of locker activaters are you running? Air? Cable?

Like Jelbehai said, That thing is sick. I love the one over that big a$$ rock. I just ordered my 404 from taradon last week for my new BTF Fusion and I can't wait. Your 404 make my ford 9"'s look like D35's. :beer: :beer:

Milcrawl is one of my good friends and I have to tell you that is the sickest rubicon on the planet. He didnt even put of the good pic of the rear axle almost completely perpendicular to the ground. He still has a few bugs to work out, but that rig is really impressive. Nice Job MDC (hooligan)

Dane

MDC, I just realized that you quoted me in your sig, I'm flattered. Beers to you kid, nice build job.

Dane

hey bro looks good. lets get that thing moving for the 4th trip. need help let me know. oh and tell troy thanx for the dent in the side of my runner . oh you need to post pics of the trailer carnage.

Here are some pics of my crap. it's not done so I don't have any actions shots yet.
http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0SwCIBB4YELqCMd0pCPPYtTLPXmZAWqjwDs1M2hE7d8NB8Aq7Q nbujGPynTWrIabCfdeESoHBlbFMoh4QshSaMtTSCQZRa4IpV99 CgDMEzS3ldXfs7EZj9A

another

more pics

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reseating 44's in the sun sucks

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big rocks

flexing the front

little air

Big Air

I really LOVE the benz emblem in front - that's slick.

Nice rig - how do the air shocks work in the front and rear? I have c/o in front, and coils/springs in the rear, and may go to air in the rear for package reasons. I'm running mog9s...

Also, how tall is the top of windshield on level ground, for reference?


the air shocks work great f/r. smooth ride, tons of travel. the highest point of the rig on level ground is right about 7 feet. it fits in my garage(normal hieght door) w/ air in the tires.

Milcrawl,

what kind of locker activaters are you running? Air? Cable?

i welded the rear actuator for now... heve been running open front. looking into air actuators w/ and arb manifold

the highest point of the rig on level ground is right about 7 feet. it fits in my garage(normal hieght door) w/ air in the tires.

7 feet, VERY good for full mog-axles and those tires. I'm at ~6'6", with 38sx (like 36"), and mog 9s stuffed pretty high. I'd like some more closeups of the front suspension/differential. Thanks!

good god that is beutifull.. nice job.

How fuggin WIDE is it?? :eek:

Wildjeeper,

What size meats are you running? Are your 404's narrowed? What backspaceing are you running on your rims?


Here are some pics of my crap. it's not done so I don't have any actions shots yet.
http://www.msnusers.com/_Secure/0SwCIBB4YELqCMd0pCPPYtTLPXmZAWqjwDs1M2hE7d8NB8Aq7Q nbujGPynTWrIabCfdeESoHBlbFMoh4QshSaMtTSCQZRa4IpV99 CgDMEzS3ldXfs7EZj9A

Milcrawl,

What size u-joints are you running in your driveshafts? Are you running cv joints at both ends of the t-case?

thanks,

Fatmeats

How did you adapt the mog pattern to 8 lug?

Fatmeats12,
Stock 404 axles, 20x9 inch wheels with 6" backspacing, meats are 39.5" by 13.50

Milcrawl,

What size u-joints are you running in your driveshafts? Are you running cv joints at both ends of the t-case?

thanks,

Fatmeats

cv front/rear at the t/c the front is stock jeep 1310 i think. the rear is from rubicon express cv kit. toyota u joints at the axles. has held up so far... wanted a "fuse" somewhere before the axles.

How did you adapt the mog pattern to 8 lug?

i used taradon's disc brake conversion. converts to 1 ton brake calipers, rotors along w/ bolt pattern. also widens axle about 7 inches i think. worked great so far. thanks to taradon for the quick turn around and nice parts. other companies also offer similar kits.

good god that is beutifull.. nice job.

How fuggin WIDE is it?? :eek:
i am sitting at about 8 feet 4 inches now. i can run stock H1 hummer rims and drop down to about 7 feet 10 inches. it is incredibly stable though

7 feet, VERY good for full mog-axles and those tires. I'm at ~6'6", with 38sx (like 36"), and mog 9s stuffed pretty high. I'd like some more closeups of the front suspension/differential. Thanks!


ill try to post some close ups of the front end. it is pretty simple. i used the RE links i had. lengthened them and put a track bar on it. also removed all but one rubber bushing per link(compared to 3 per link) and replaced with heim joints to limit axle wrap. seems to be solid. it is a little cluttered due to the links, track bar and steering all having to be mounted in the same spot while trying to keep the axle close to the frame directley under the radiator. every thing clears by less than an inch when flexed any way.

I sure would hope so. Holy shit thats wide!

THIS GUY (http://coloradoron.com/applets/viewtopic.php?t=27) has a really nice TJ setup with 404s!

blah blah blah, that things is so fukin sik,blah blah blah. hey so i hear you owe someone a new trailer. so when the rest of us get done building our not so slik rigs can we have demo derby one trips. please. oh yah and thanks for the phone call about goin weelin. dicks. see yah fri or sat for the partys/ concert.? call me fucker

blah blah blah, that things is so fukin sik,blah blah blah. hey so i hear you owe someone a new trailer. so when the rest of us get done building our not so slik rigs can we have demo derby one trips. please. oh yah and thanks for the phone call about goin weelin. dicks. see yah fri or sat for the partys/ concert.? call me fucker


nascar sunday, blah blah blah. maybe that concert on sat. when you get your cute little thing together yes we can play demo derby. only if we are all blindfolded and drunk with one hand tied behind our backs :flipoff2:

Buggy- tube chassis, "new drivetrain idea" 350-sm465-d300, rockwells and 44'' boggers. 4 link w/ air shocks, full hydro.



where did you get the idea of that drive train, and axles, and tires, and four link, and air shocks, blah blah blah

Gee whiz cricket, that buggy idea sounds really familiar. Must be deja vu, and I promise that you bitches dont want to demo derby with me.

Dane

what is the wheelbase on that "Rubicon"

If I recall correctly he is about 115" on 44's.

Dane

That thing is badass, but damn you must have money to burn if you are cutting up a Ruby.

thats 116 wheelbase and 8feet wide.

Here is my rig
113" WB, 84" wide,76" to top of cage

Here is my rig
113" WB, 84" wide,76" to top of cage


nice rig, perfect specs.

Oh my GOD That thing is the Official PIMP mobile!!!
Fuckin BAd ASS

Still dont see how you got that thing out of the garage. LOL

Post more pics...

Nice rig but................... 100" wide ? Holy shit.

THIS GUY (http://coloradoron.com/applets/viewtopic.php?t=27) has a really nice TJ setup with 404s!



That is my jeep. Couple more pics


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/jward/TrailWorkGilbertdec04045.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/jward/Mvc-104s.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/jward/Trail%20Work%20Gilbert%20dec%2004/TrailWorkGilbertdec04082.jpg


A friend of mines Bronco with 404 and 44 swampers 16" Fox air shocks
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/jward/MN4WDA/MN4WDA024.jpg

That is my jeep. Couple more pics


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/jward/TrailWorkGilbertdec04045.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/jward/Mvc-104s.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/jward/Trail%20Work%20Gilbert%20dec%2004/TrailWorkGilbertdec04082.jpg


A friend of mines Bronco with 404 and 44 swampers 16" Fox air shocks
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/jward/MN4WDA/MN4WDA024.jpg

very nice. clean fab work

The license plate on the Bronco is a nice touch. That rig really see street time?
I heard about a Bronco on 404's in Missouri, is this it?

The license plate on the Bronco is a nice touch. That rig really see street time?
I heard about a Bronco on 404's in Missouri, is this it?


Looks like a Minnesota tag to me... Which would also make sense because that guy with the Jeep is from Minnesota as well.

The bronco is sick. Hopefully I can build as clean a rig as that some day.

Cool looking rigs! I like the Bronco alot!

We both live in Mpls, MN . Here is a link and if you snoop around you will find some more pics of the bronco. It works really good.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=315811

What king of rims and tires you use?
I need some beadlocks and tires for my 404/406 Jeepster proyect. I am swapping in the axles this week and need the wheels issue solved ASAP as we have some races after summer.
Thansk
Eduardo

I love your jeep. Awesome work.

That front emblem is some nice bling!

that's unbelievable, your tires come up over level with the top of the tub. what a rig....good work scraping the jeep emlbem for that monster mercedes

Thanks For The Compliments... The Wheels Are For Sale From The Pics... They Are Weld Scorpios 16.5x14 8 On 6.5 Pattern. See Post In Classified Or Pm

also have a set of hi steer arms for 404 from blue torch fab for sale. pm or check classifieds

milcrawl could you pm me taradon's number. i would like to get in touch with him. thankyou

taradon
1-604-828-7795

Thanks Milcrawl, your Jepp is pretty sick

Don Henry
Taradon Ent.

Thanks Milcrawl, your Jepp is pretty sick

Don Henry
Taradon Ent.

no problem... thanks for the quick shipping of my disc brake parts.

your TJ looks familiar... i do believe i was at the moonrocks that weekend... memorial day, yea??

i live on the north side of reno, and my house is literally 10 minutes from the Moonrocks... hows that for gettin' it??

im going to thank you in advance for any ideas i grab from your TJ build, since ive already ordered a set of 404's for my 99TJ

since ive already ordered a set of 404's for my 99TJ
Ordered from whom? Just curious.:flipoff2:

pizzaboy, Pm me if you still have your old axles, a local buddy is looking for some TJ axles for his rig. I tried to check on reno4x4, but am not sure if you still have them. Teh guy is in the Bay Area. So are you doinga Unlimited extended build like? I am starting on mine, but planning on Volvos rather than mogs. I have a thing for Swedish :)

Gui

(expedition imports... sorry don)

gui.. i posted the 44s on pirate about 2 weeks ago, some guy in carson took them within one day of them being on the site. that got me the money to get my mogs in action... now i just have to order like every other damn thing for it...

i did rims today from usa 6x6. double beadlocks. theyre still gunna take like 5 weeks to get them to me... i am truly going to go insane by the time this project i have undertaken is done.

atleast expedition imports had their axles in stock and theyre ready to ship out immediately.. plus their shop is in valejo which is seriously ... only up the hill from me in reno!

you crazy fools are stuck with me for the next couple months. ill do my best to get a pimpin buildup thread during the process of putting the mogs into my tj

my final specs will be: 99tj/4.0/ax/15/atlas 6.0/mog404/42" iroks/USA6x6 military double beadlocks, full hydro, fuel cell/ same 4 link(kindof)

i am truly going to go insane by the time this project i have undertaken is done.



Ahhhhhhh. You have no idea how right you are my man.:flipoff2:

am starting on a TJ project right now, so am debating the portal route as well. I got to wheel recently in Sweden, on Volvos with portals, and saw some of the sickest buggy setups with all types of portals and hybrids (mad max style looking rigs :D ) Trying tio understand why most people are choosing Unimogs over Volvos, the downside on the mog for me is the long ass pinion, but all else is pretty good.

Wheeling in Sweden thread (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397974&highlight=sweden)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/geberhard/1volvoguidown2.jpg

Thanks,

Gui

i agree... its not that i have chosen against volvos.. its that i have seen only 404's. i suppose if i had more information available to me on even different mog axles(416,406) then i may have chosen a different route.
after looking at 3 different vehicles; all with 404's under them, seeing nothing but 404 conversions in the mercedes forum on pirate.. im sold on what people know the most about, and will be most likely able to answer questions about.

this still... is realistically not very much information. compared to doing a 60 swap, the information and examples of mogs on other vehicles is very slim.

someone has to be different... and creative.. and stubborn

I guess for me it came down to availability and strength. The 404 also had a lot of portal height (that is the point afterall) and low overall gearing-- I did the math and adding 40+" tires to a Toyota the 7.56:1 is spot on perfect! A diesel or V8 rig may not like the revs as much but that is what the heavier axles are for. (406's on up)
Also at the time I was planning out my project, the aftermarket was starting to bloom for the Mog's and has dragged a bit for the Volvos.

Cool, just wondering. I may be getting some portals pretty soon, planning to bring at least a few sets at teh same time, so will see what happens :)

Gui

I guess for me it came down to availability and strength. The 404 also had a lot of portal height (that is the point afterall) and low overall gearing-- I did the math and adding 40+" tires to a Toyota the 7.56:1 is spot on perfect! A diesel or V8 rig may not like the revs as much but that is what the heavier axles are for. (406's on up)
Also at the time I was planning out my project, the aftermarket was starting to bloom for the Mog's and has dragged a bit for the Volvos.
well what is the stock tire size for a 404? isnt it like 39" or 40" anyways?. im figuring that even with 42s im still going to be overgeared for the street to actually get anywhere... like to the next trail? the grocery store?

i totally agree tho.. even aftermarket-wise, the 404s have to be the most legitimate way to go...

i totally agree tho.. even aftermarket-wise, the 404s have to be the most legitimate way to go...


I kinda agree, but there are pros anc cons on both portals... BTW, do a search here for "formula offroad", most rigs are running Volvo portals ;)

http://www.x-treme.fi/albums/album34/CRW_1095.jpg

and

http://www.offroad.no/garage/2627/img/9291.jpg

As far as 7:1, with 42's you will not be in bad shape, if you are running the stock ax-15. check out your final gear ratio with a gear ratin calculator, and compensate for tire size. Looking forward to seeing your project coming up!

Gui

-- I did the math and adding 40+" tires to a Toyota the 7.56:1 is spot on perfect! ...
I guess it depends on your definition of perfect. To maintain the same rpms for a given speed you would be looking for a ratio of around 5.29 so I would say the 7.56 is a little low for freeway driving.

I guess it depends on your definition of perfect. To maintain the same rpms for a given speed you would be looking for a ratio of around 5.29 so I would say the 7.56 is a little low for freeway driving.
Peak power for my motor starts to come on at about 3200 rpm. I will be right at that RPM at 60 mph in 5th gear. Any taller gearing would make 5th gear useless. You do not just want the same as stock rpm for cruising speed when you add much larger tires and more vehicle mass. You want to be revving a little higher to compensate for all of the rolling resistance and weight for pulling hills. That is what I meant by spot on.
For example my rig now with the Mogs at 60 mph = 3244 rpm
with 5.29 I would be at 2269 rpm at 60 (no power 5th gear totally useless)
And stock (4.56's) with 31's I was at 2461 rpm at 60 in 5th gear.
Tons o' fun here:
http://www.4lo.com/calc/gearratio.htm

So basically I should even be able to cruise at 70 mph and still pull moderate hills.

Talk about a HI-JACK! Sorry Milcrawl!:flipoff2: :D

lol Yep, just noictied, sorry millcrawl :) K back to the topic, what are you doing as far as brakes?

G

Talk about a HI-JACK! Sorry Milcrawl!:flipoff2: :D



no problem i have been neglecting my thread for a while any way. been busy... but did manage to make it out to moonrocks last month in the snow for a day. that was an experience... and unfortunatley no cameras. the good thing is i was able to beat the hell out of the jeep with no broken parts or appearant problems.

on another topic... go with mogs. i have seen these things take some serious abuse with no problem. before i took my mogs off of my mog i jumped the thing a few times off a motocross jump traveling as fast as i could( granted that is not extremely fast in a 1964 stock unimog).

as far as brakes go i used taradons conversion. no problems to report. working good. 4wheel disc. they do add some width to the axle though.

looking forward to these new build projects. check out 4moggers project if you havent yet. his ride is beatiful. very nice work, clean fabbed. great ideas and application.

K guys, the volvo guy I was going to get Volvo 306 or 304 axles is outta axles right now, so cheapest I could get volvos here will almost pay for the mog setup complete with wheels and all. The mogs still have quirks I gotta figure out.


Mil, I have a RE long arm setup on the TJ, what RE setup you strated with, and what did u do, lengthened the arms? As far as wheels, I am planning on recentering H1 double beadlocks, pizzaboy, how much did the 6x6 cost ya? Let me know when you get them and how you like the setup.

Ok, starting with the shopping list, any tips from you guys what I will need parts-wise aside from axles, longer arms, tab mounts, figure out driveshaft, modify oil pan like Mil, new wheels, etc?

For the $$ side I may run the drums for the time being and go from there..

any diferences on the axles based on mog years 9aside from 404 and 406 models)?

Thanks,

Gui

K guys, the volvo guy I was going to get Volvo 306 or 304 axles is outta axles right now, so cheapest I could get volvos here will almost pay for the mog setup complete with wheels and all. The mogs still have quirks I gotta figure out.


Mil, I have a RE long arm setup on the TJ, what RE setup you strated with, and what did u do, lengthened the arms? As far as wheels, I am planning on recentering H1 double beadlocks, pizzaboy, how much did the 6x6 cost ya? Let me know when you get them and how you like the setup.

Ok, starting with the shopping list, any tips from you guys what I will need parts-wise aside from axles, longer arms, tab mounts, figure out driveshaft, modify oil pan like Mil, new wheels, etc?

For the $$ side I may run the drums for the time being and go from there..

any diferences on the axles based on mog years 9aside from 404 and 406 models)?

Thanks,

Gui


i used the RE arms an lengthed them approx 8.5" i sleeved the inside of them with 1.5" .120 wall to keep everything straight and add some extra strength. it was a bit of a pain in the ass but cheaper than building links from scratch. im am in the process of building new upper links fopr the rear that will use some bigger joints and change the mount location on the frame. the RE upper arms use some pretty small joints and it kinda scares me a bit when i really get on it. for the front i lengthened the arms and kept a radius arm setup originally. planning on hacking that out and builing a triangulated three link. i couldnt get the flex i was looking for with the radius arm setup. only using 14" of my 18" shocks up front.


as far a planning for parts think of everything you can think of first. you will need to make an entire steering system STATION here on the board hooked it up with some nice stuff- Blue Torch has some nice steering arms. longer/custom brake lines. driveshaft. exhaust will pretty much have to be entirely reworked. also think of locker engagement on the mog axles. 4mogger has a pretty trick setup but unless you have sometype of onboard air already it could get costley quick. cables also will work for locker engagement. of you can just leave them locked all the time. the "joke" i started saying after i was 1/2 way into my build was "take your planned budget for time and money and double them then add a little"


any advice/ question let me know

Edit:

Mil, awesome, and thansk for the info and all the help! Any close up pics of the links and the way you mounted them and tabs to the axle would be great! Will definitely save me some initial dough on the buildup. What about track bars front and rear? Any more close up pics showing your setup would be greatly appreciated. I am more familiar with leafs than arms and coils so I gotta do more reading :)

For your steering, did u go with Blue Torch arms, and any way I could get away with non full hydro (maybe just hydro assist)?

For locking, I was planning OBA, most likely use the Sandem AC compressor or canibalize the york from my current rig. What pressure is needed to activate the Mog locker? I am more familiar with the Volvo setup, but it uses vacuum instead of air to activate.

Thanks for all the help!

Gui

There's another guy that makes arms for these:laughing:

ok ok ok... ok ok...

my wheels cost me about 1050 to my door for the USA 6x6 double beadlocks. 17x11 type

MILCRAWL!!! you havent bent or snapped a link yet?? sleeved links scare me, from having seen so many of them snap right in half before...

my lower links will be 1.75"x.250 wall DOM. uppers are 1.5"x.120 wall DOM. big superflex joints on the bottom and little ones on the top. i built all of the arms on my old dana44 setup, and they worked great!! i had adjustable uppers, and one piece lowers.

the wheelbase is going to be either 109 or 110" when everything is said and done

gui: id be more than happy to forward you a shopping list of everything ive been going for so far!!

only because of the fact that my front axle did not come with steering arms, i ended up ordering the blue torch arms, which are high clearance, but 420 to my door... hmm.. whatever i guess

i would suggest going for full hydro steering no matter what; especially on the TJ since your axle will be pushed out so far(to clear oilpan and exhaust somewhat) that your front axle centerline will be under the radiator. you wont be able to use the steering box unless you move it forward also like 6 inches. PLUS!! 90% of people who hydro assist their vehicles, decide that its too slow, malfunctions too much and switches to full hydro eventually.

full hydro isnt that big of a price difference, especially if you use a single ended ram!!! do it right the first time, and you wont be dis-satisfied with the results. the streetability comes from the orbital valves' ratio of turns to locked in relation to your ram. the ram: you can buy cheap ones and expensive ones. you get what you pay for, and the more expensive ones use better seals, are less prone to leaking and will last longer before getting sloppy. in order to pick the right orbital, you need to decide what size ram you want. Then you can take the displacement of the ram and put it into an equation to decide what size orbital you want(more or less turns to lock[your preference]). i ordered my steering stuffings from PSC, and got the most expensive, biggest double ended ram they had. i got an orbital box, that when hooked up to that specific ram, will produce a 3.6 turn to lock ratio. i ordered the adapter to the orbital box from my steering column. all of that for about $800 to my door. if you wanted a less expensive ram, you could get out for like 500 or 600.
think of the time, money and effort you'll save by doing that all the way, and correct the first time.

gui, remember also, that the lockers on the 404 axles are lever operated. basically there are 2 main ways that people will engage them. either cable, or an air ram mounted to the axle. air ram setups.. are basically not THAT expensive, BUT you need to have a reliable air setup, and you have to accept that there will be more things to go wrong. you need hoses switches.
the cable types are the ones that come on stock mog axles.
initially i was thinking the air ram setup, until my neighbor suggested using the RE hand throttles for both sides. it doesnt take much more pressure to move the mechanism on the axle than what it takes to move a throttle body. im going to get 2 kits and mount them on the atlas levers. the front on the front lever and the rear on the rear lever!!! its worth a try since 3 RE handthrottle kits cost a whopping $60 for both! its about 1/3 the price of the air ram setups, plus a LOT less setup time.

oops theres parts i missed!!

when i setup my links, i used a trangulated setup, to eliminate the track bars.
if you wish to use trackbars on your jeep, gui, remember that your frame mounts will all have to be moved by that much that you stretch your jeep by. i.e. your front frame trackbar mount will be where your steering box was, and your rear would be around where the curve ends back at the bottom for the rear...

ALSO!!!! if you guys are interested in anything from RUBICON EXPRESS, i am a dealer, if you need links, building parts, shocks, or hand throttles.. whatever it is from RE, ill get you the stuff generally at a way better deal than anyone else. i dont advertise prices, because i have no overhead and sell below the big guys... PM me if you ever need anything, and ill hook you up!

Pizzaboy! Sweet info! The hand throttle definitely came to mind regarding the cable operation, hehe! Sounds great if you can pme me a listing of items I should start adding to my shopping list would be great!!

BTW where is your build up thread, could not find it on Reno4x4.

Gui

haha no worries. ill pm you MY shopping list when i get home from work 2nite.

im not going to do a buildup thread on reno4x4 until im all done. that way i dont get all of the busting balls shit from all of the idiots on the board that i wheel with all the time!!!

There are some sweet rigs in here! I'm not sure how i missed some of these build-ups. I have a question for the guys with 404's and Air Shox...

Just wondering if you are running into any odd handling traits? By the looks of the pics in this thread, my links are set-up very similar to both of the 404'd TJ's. If I am backing up under load (pulling someone, backing up a hill etc) or compression braking down a steep hill, the truck totally jacks up. All 16" of shock shaft is showing. Same deal if I get the front tires against a rock ledge, large log etc. As soon as I apply throttle, the shocks will totally extend.

I was just wondering what effect the portals may have on geometry if any? Anyone else experience weird handling like this?

thats a really interesting point, big toyfreak.. ive been wondering the same thing, mathematically. i put my 4 link dimentions into the fourlink calculator, and came up with an anti-squat of 122%... way too much..

<img>http://www.members.reno4x4.com/pizzajeep/tj%204%20linkcalc.JPG</img>

Pizzaboy!!!


Thansk for mailing the shoppng list!! really appreciaet it. Darn, the mogs I was planning to buy may not come through (flaky seller)... worst case, may go with the local seller in the Bay, about 30 mins from me :)

Thanks,

Gui

anytime!! now just if we could get some of the people who have custom fabbed these axles into other vehicles [including buggies] to give us some 4 link insight as to why the handling characteristics are wierd, and the numbers seem so off????

anytime!! now just if we could get some of the people who have custom fabbed these axles into other vehicles [including buggies] to give us some 4 link insight as to why the handling characteristics are wierd, and the numbers seem so off????


i think a lot of people measure all their maths from the axle centreline, not the wheel centreline, that is why the numbers sometimes seem a little weird.

if you build the cars low with these axles the high roll centre that inevitibly comes with having link mounts mounted to an axle that is higher than the wheel centreline seems to complement the heavy unsprung weight quite well as long as the anti-squat is built to a sensible figure.

i have been running this one on 404's for a few months, 4-linked front and rear, with 18" air shocks and it is very well behaved and predictable.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/wendleburger/buggy/image056.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/wendleburger/buggy/400-0002_AUT.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/wendleburger/buggy/IMGP0265.jpg

initially i was thinking the air ram setup, until my neighbor suggested using the RE hand throttles for both sides. it doesnt take much more pressure to move the mechanism on the axle than what it takes to move a throttle body. im going to get 2 kits and mount them on the atlas levers. the front on the front lever and the rear on the rear lever!!! its worth a try since 3 RE handthrottle kits cost a whopping $60 for both! its about 1/3 the price of the air ram setups, plus a LOT less setup time.

I like the cable setup. I especially like the fact that I can "feel' the front engage. I usually leave the rear locked and engage the front when I hit the first hard obsticle. Since these lockers are not very happy about engaging without a lot of wheel differentiation, I wait until one front wheel slips a bit on an obsticle and then it drops right in. Not sure how you would know for sure when it is engaged on an air setup. I sure don't want to engage it any sooner than I need, as it adds 3 football fields to the turning radius and with a fullsize rig, I need all I can get many times right before and obsticle. Pics of my setup, used stock 205 shifters and cables from surplus center.

http://ox.users.superford.org/UNIMOG/Locker%20shifters_cables/DCP01469.JPG
http://ox.users.superford.org/UNIMOG/With%2042's/DCP01501.JPG

http://ox.users.superford.org/UNIMOG/Locker%20shifters_cables/

Not sure how you would know for sure when it is engaged on an air setup.

i can actually hear my little cylinders bottom out/top out when mine lock and unlock. little metallic clink sound that i can easily hear over the engine. would probably not be loud enough in a full bodied vehicle though. if you wanted to get tricky it would be simple to add magnetic switches onto the cylinders to have indicator lights on the dash. i tend to leave the front locked and lock/unlock the rear all the time, as i have the stock e-brake cables hooked up as steering brakes.

[QUOTE=pizzaboy]ok ok ok... ok ok...

MILCRAWL!!! you havent bent or snapped a link yet?? sleeved links scare me, from having seen so many of them snap right in half before...

my lower links will be 1.75"x.250 wall DOM. uppers are 1.5"x.120 wall DOM. big superflex joints on the bottom and little ones on the top. i built all of the arms on my old dana44 setup, and they worked great!! i had adjustable uppers, and one piece lowers.



all my lower links are 2.0"x.250 dom sleeved internally with 1.5".120. my uppers are 2.0".250 dom not sleeved. they are all adjustable as well and so far no problems. i dont think they will "snap" anytime soon.

fair enough... that sounds pretty damn stout.. infact using 2" x.250 wall dom tubing for your uppers would be considered overkill, considering that its not hitting any rocks, and just there to structurally locate your axle!!!

rig is badass but wide as hell i thought mine was wide damn..

rig is badass but wide as hell i thought mine was wide damn..

got some usa6x6 double bead locks going on in about 20 minutes. will narrow it up a bit. ill post some new pics when i get back from this next trip.

Hey Alright!!! New Pics!!! Bring It On!!

Holy Crap Im About 75% Done With My Project Too!!!

I Cant Wait To Post Up All Of My Cool Stuff!!

Nice TJ. i like what you've done to it. i know i'm the 100th person to say this, but that mother is fawking wide!!!

Hey Alright!!! New Pics!!! Bring It On!!

Holy Crap Im About 75% Done With My Project Too!!!

I Cant Wait To Post Up All Of My Cool Stuff!!

hey, pizzaboy. when are you gonna start a buildup thread? unlike everyone else at reno4xj.com, i'd like to see how your TJ buildup is coming along. :D

MILCRAWL is currently in Glamis beating on my 4Runner on rockwells. We didnt get the Jeep together in time so he stole my shit. I'm sure he will have some pics when he gets back.

Just to let everyone know, MILCRAWL and I are the same width 8'4", and its really a lot of fun being that wide. Its amazing the dumb shit you can pull off being that wide. Anyone local is welcome to wheel with us and take my pile for a spin.

Dane

hey you guys let us know in advance when you make it up to reno again for the moonrocks... ill surely meet up with you, along with all of our buddies!!!!!

make sure you keep in contact about that shit!! i wanna meet up!

We should be down for moonrocks sometime in march, but we will let you guys know our schedule.

Dane

Ok well he returned from glamis with no pics of my mega cab in the air or the 4runner being launched, but I have heard some scary stories. On to the more important part, we went to play in the snow last weekend and lots of shit went to hell with a quickness.
First of all we think he blew up the front locker, the actuating arm no longer stops after moving 90*, it spins freely 360*.
Second we believe that he had a rear shaft let go cause it sounds like little kids playing with pots and pans when he drives.
We will keep everyone updated with pics of the teardown and the carnage. I'm sure I will be involved so I will make sure we get pics and any helpful tips/tricks we come up with.
Oh yes, one last thing, even though Darin constantly points out how much more ground clearance he has than I do with rockwells I didnt break any axle parts last weekend. A rear driveshaft is no longer with us and I destroyed my front leafs, but no axle work will be needed on the rockrunner.

Dane

How the fawk do you get that thing on your trailer. Thought my shit was wide but damn. Nice work:flipoff2:

Come on Dane! Haven't broke my old runner yet? When you do you should repace the welded 3rds for the ouverson engineering detroits and their 47 spline inners. those things are bad ass! well hope its working well for ya. shoot me some pics of it with the new rims when you get a chance. oh yeah i should have some cash for ya on the radiator issue in a week or so. take care man, Kodi

Good lookin out Kodi. I have broken 2 rear driveshafts and destroyed the front springs in the snow last weekend. I will try and get some pics of her with the new shoes on, wide as hell, but makes all that height stable.

Dane

so did u break a bunch of mog shit or what?:flipoff2: any updates?

We havent pulled it apart yet, but we are planning on Moonrocks next month so we will have to fix it by then. We are currently looking for a shop to work in as the city we live in apparently hates rock crawlers and the people that work on them. Possibly this weekend we will tear the axles down and see when happened inside.

On the subject of getting these on trailers the trick is to leave half of your tire hanging off of the trailer on each side and pray you have driveover fenders. I am currently working on a trailer that will only have 2" of my tire sticking off of each side.

Dane

I'm betting you find the locking collar in 2 (or 3) pieces.After I broke one of mine, I just welded that diff up. (I have spare collars if you need one)

hurry up guys!!!! im still sitting here in reno waiting for ya'll to come out to he moonrocks and party with us!

Thank you weps, thats what we thougt too, I guess those collars are prone to damage. Do you think it would help to have it cryo'd or is it just a lost cause??

Pizzaboy, we will let you know when we come up there, should be the second or third weekend of april.

Dane

maybe cryoing it may help. Mine split right where the splines were broached thru it (stress risers big time) probably not much else to try. :(
It bummed me out that you have to tear the whole fawkin thing apart to replace a 30$ part that takes 2 minutes to do. I got one tore down, swapped and back together in 4 hours, but I was pissed and working my ass off to do it!:laughing: I think I'm getting too old to toss those 42's on steel H1 rims off and on the rig twice in a day! If you need a collar, PM me

Thanks Weps, either Milcrawl or myself will probably be getting in touch with you for some collars. I am not particularly fond of tossing 44's around myself. Working on big shit isnt my favorite thing to do. Thanks for the offer on the parts bro.

Dane

some new pics... these are from the local Sportsman's Expo at cal expo in sacramento, california

some more pics

i didnt get any pics of the snow trip we took a few weeks ago but we are planning on hitting up moonrocks sometime this month or early may. also getting ready for the con and memorial day. definitley some more pics to come soon

Mill,

there was hipe* about your breaking shit earlier in this post. Did you happen to break anything on the axles?

Mill,

there was hipe* about your breaking shit earlier in this post. Did you happen to break anything on the axles?


We still havent pulled the axles apart, but something in the front is definitely broken, probably the locking collar that WEPS was talking about. Milcrawl only has 2 weeks till the moonrocks run so something is gonna need to happen quickly.

Dane

Great looking rig. Mogs certainly rock over those buggerin Rockwells. Especially 406 Mogs... Is it just me, or do those tires just look SMALL? How about some 49" IROKS? That might just even things up a bit. Good job.

Mill,

there was hipe* about your breaking shit earlier in this post. Did you happen to break anything on the axles?

pulled the rear end apart the other night. i stripped 5 teeth off the ring gear. contact area of the gears looked good, bearings looked good. dont know why or how but now im looking for a new diff. i havent pulled the front apart but im pretty sure it is just the locker collar. ill keep everyone posted. we're doing moonrocks on the weekend of 5-19, 5-20.

Mill,

there was hipe* about your breaking shit earlier in this post. Did you happen to break anything on the axles?

pulled the rear end apart the other night. i stripped 5 teeth off the ring gear. contact area of the gears looked good, bearings looked good. dont know why or how it happened but now im looking for a new diff. i havent pulled the front apart but im pretty sure it is just the locker collar. ill keep everyone posted. we're doing moonrocks on the weekend of 5-19, 5-20.

Well geez if you guys are busting 404s on jeeps , I better go with 406s under my fullsize :eek: .....Any advice taken other noob flaming BS . - A

406's are the way to go in my opinion. 21 comps not a broken axle part in site !!!!!!! (knock on wood) in 20 comps in 2 years with my 404's = 12 broken portal boxes at around 350.00 apeace

I'll have 416 mogs under my fullsize by the end of June. I'm going to run 47's. I didn't think a 404 would stand up to the abuse.

404's and 42's = no breakeee!!!

CALLING MILCRAWL..........
POST PICS OF THAT LITTLE ROLL AT DA MOONROCKS!!!COME AWN!!!:grinpimp:

its good to see that your not just a shit starting asshole on reno4x4!!!


YEA COMEON LETS SEE SOME ROLL PICS,MILCRAWL!!!!!!!

That roll sucked ass, and to beat all nobody wanted to help us get the rig back over. Finally some cool guy in a sami pulled it over and towed us back to camp. It sucks helping out whenever needed and when you need help there isnt a soul around willilng to lend a hand to a brother in need. Thanks to all that helped and I'm glad that everyone had a safe and fun weekend. Pizza it was good to meet you and I think it was one of yours that helped us after the roll, but either way props to the samurai buggy driver that stepped up.

Dane

yea that was rockape who helped ya out... hes an awesome guy... always willing to lend a hand.. we got some pics over on reno4x4 of your rig, looks pretty bad.

dane, tell milcrawl to check his pms!

I will try and get ahold of him tonite and let him know, thanks Rock Ape for the hand bro. I'm gonna head to reno4x4.com to check out the pics.

Dane

heres the link for ya.

http://www.reno4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3433

but you have to be registered to view it

Wow, it does look pretty bad, nothing some money cant fix. Should be ready to go again in a couple of weeks.

Dane

I Was Suprized My Buggy Was Even Able To Pull It Back Over!!!i Usually Wheel With A Bunch Of Guys That Are Instantly On Getting An Overturned Rig Rolled Back Over Asap!!!!too Bad They All Broke Or Went Home Early That Day!!!!tell Milcrawl,"now Thats How You Stomp The Loud Pedal!!!!"

hell yea, from what it sounds like, im a bit disappointed by the others around who didnt automatically come to pull you back over... it seems kind of like an instant reaction to do so....right??


when i see someone rolling, im already jumping into mine to get into a spot to get them recovered, even before theyre done rolling!!!

We are the same way, but it seems that you cannot always expect of others what you expect of yourself or your crew. Either way it got handled and we will all live to wheel another day. Good thing we installed that cage the week before, I dont think the factory cage would have held up to that roll.

Dane

Hi, when caster angle you used?, the steering on street works well?...

Thanks !

Hi, when caster angle you used?, the steering on street works well?...

Thanks !

it has never been on the street over about 20 mph. i am not sure if i ever measued my caster angle but i know it is pretty close to zero.

Badass, Badass, Badass. What more can I say?

thats a really interesting point, big toyfreak.. ive been wondering the same thing, mathematically. i put my 4 link dimentions into the fourlink calculator, and came up with an anti-squat of 122%... way too much..



These rigs are so freaking badass... <extreme rig envy>

Do you have a link to the 4-link calculator?

Thanks

Milcrawl finally went on a trip and didnt break anything!!! I think we need to have a party and we finally have these axles figured out!!! I also found out how incredibly weak rockwell tie rods are.

Pizza, have you had any problems with your lockers yet?? Are you still running the 49's or did you go back to the 42's?? We are trying to figure out why Milcrawl had such problems and yours seemed to be fine with the re hand throttles for lock/unlock on your axles.

Dane