decided to go with a spool in the front, financially can't beat it right now. Any one have any reasons for this being a bad idea?

Yeah, it's a great idea, except for that whole thing about being able to steer.
:rolleyes:

hydrlic assist, and some cutter brakes.......... just get the beast in the woods. im miss wheelin with grim

Originally posted by VeloCJ
Yeah, it's a great idea, except for that whole thing about being able to steer.
:rolleyes:

Ya that is the only thing that bothers me, but it can't be much different than the detroit! Hydraulic assist is a must expecially when I get the 42's on

Rockbound.

Great idea. Cheep and you can move it to the rear in the future when you get a detroit

lock right can't be much more money? the detroit does limit steering but if you put it in 2wd it unlocks mostly, makes turning easier.

i have a welded front 44 and an open rear with cutting brakes. had my first real test of it this weekend.was a slippery,sloppy mess,and the cutting brakes made it possible for me to be able to get around without my front end constantly sliding off the trail.

you will need some kind of assistace on harder ground. i cnat hardly turn my wheels anymore with both hubs locked on dry ground. with one hub unlocked,steering is fine. seems it will very soon become a big PITA to keep jumping out to lock/unlock hubs when the ground is very dry.

this combo does kick much ass for climbing out of ruts :cool:

What is the advantage of a spool over welded gears??? If you want to save the stock carrier, just fill up the spiders with weld everywere but where the side gears ride, I know this will cause stress on the carrier but isnt a 60 carrier strongenough??? BTW, I know you know all this shit already, jus askin so I know.

Ahh screw it and do it. I'm welding my front so it'll be the same thing. A 60 is more than strong enough to just lock in one side for most of the time and then locking in the other side when needed. Go for it :D :D

Originally posted by rockbound


Ya that is the only thing that bothers me, but it can't be much different than the detroit! Hydraulic assist is a must expecially when I get the 42's on

It's REAL different than having a Detroit in front. Power steering, even hydraulic ram steering won't help much. Don't complain that you weren't told.
Charlie

Originally posted by badassjeepguy
hydrlic assist, and some cutter brakes.......... just get the beast in the woods. im miss wheelin with grim

If a person has welded gears or spools, how are cutting brakes going to help?

Originally posted by Curtis
Ahh screw it and do it. I'm welding my front so it'll be the same thing. A 60 is more than strong enough to just lock in one side for most of the time and then locking in the other side when needed. Go for it :D :D

LOL - me too! Welded here I come :D

i would not do it. we welded a buddys front dana44 and not only was it hard to steer but it would not steer! it would only turn about half the distance it was supposed to with the hubs locked in. unlock the hubs and he had full steering again. i have seen others and it seems some do ok and others don't. what is the determining factor? i have no clue but after seeing one that totally sucked i would not spool it. spools cost $$$ so just weld it first. if it works fine but if not you havn't thrown your $$$ down the drain. just get a detroit and forget about it. just my op.

did I mention the torque steer effect you can get with one hub locked in? why not spool the rear and save up for a proper front locker?

Originally posted by HeyBeerMan


If a person has welded gears or spools, how are cutting brakes going to help?

im on some good drugs right now for my back.... i dont know... :D

but if he twin sticked his 205 he could make better turns.... i think thats what i was thinkin..... valume, perk's and ibuprofin, tend to alter ones thinking.... :D

Originally posted by HeyBeerMan


If a person has welded gears or spools, how are cutting brakes going to help?

i assumed he was gonna put the brakes on an open rear.i get aroud in 2wd pretty good with an open rear and steering brakes.

if he twin sticks his transfer case,hell be able to put it in fwd and pivot 360* on 1 rear tire :D

its pretty much useless to try and use the steering brake with drum brakes. a drum would prolly not completely stop the wheel from turning,and youll prolly eat up the shoes,and hafta replace them every time out. if you want steering brakes,upgrade to rear discs as well.

check prices on open carriers before you get a spool.its prolly way cheaper to buy a new open carrier than the spool.specially if you can scounge up some used spares.go ahead and just weld it.

well, my rear is already locked with a detroit, and I do not plan to twin stick my 205 any time soon or use any break locks. so I guess I should go with my first instinct and save up for the detroit. I would weld the carrier but I am affraid of f'n something up with the gears or the housing, just doesn't seem safe to do to me. if the weld breaks loose or something there goes my ring and pinion, not a happy day!

Originally posted by rockbound
well, my rear is already locked with a detroit, and I do not plan to twin stick my 205 any time soon or use any break locks. so I guess I should go with my first instinct and save up for the detroit. I would weld the carrier but I am affraid of f'n something up with the gears or the housing, just doesn't seem safe to do to me. if the weld breaks loose or something there goes my ring and pinion, not a happy day!

It all depends on how well you weld the sucker up. Some people just go with a few beads here and there. I usually weld it up so much there is no way it can break without something else going first.

Also, Abba seems to have a had time turning his Scout with a Detroit front. Even though he has power steering, his arms are tired at the end of the day. So, like I said, you can just run with one hub unlocked and you have no problems turning with a spool or welded.

Welded front with a posi-lock cable on a beater cherokee. It sounded like a good almost free idea at the time. It sucked.....

-With one hub unlocked it pulls the front and around and torque steers.
-With it all locked in you can't steer worth anything. I don't care if you have full ram steering. It just doesn't work well. The turning circle is HUGE!!!!

I would just save up your coin and buy a lock-rite or a detroit. Lockrites are HUGE in Dana 60s and work well for cheap!

later :jeep:

i have welded one front end and 10 rears. i will never weld a front again. it is a no turning sob and jumping in and out unlocking the hubs sucks too. save the bucks and put in a locker.

Anyone looking for a Dana 60 35 spline welded carrier (4.56, 4.88 & lower gears) - I can sell ya' one for a lot cheaper than a spool ;)

It came in the front 60 I bought, but I am installing an ARB instead...

Email Me (drm1@charter.net)

Originally posted by Slagburn
Yeah, it's a great idea, except for that whole thing about being able to steer.
:rolleyes:

yea right!! I have a spool in my front Dana 44. It steers fine! This shits over-rated. Take it from me i've wheeled with a front spool its not bad at all, I do have hydro assist BTW!!! :flipoff2:

I've had welded ft. carriers for years and almost everybody I run with has the same. Mine turns fine 90% of the time...
I don't understand where these guys are coming from, maybe too much caster, or small arms and shoulders. :)

its fine for sloping through the mud but get on some rocks with trees all around and it sux

I can see where it would be hard to turn on pure rock, or on a paved road, but on dirt I have no probs.

I had my front autolockin hub dana 30 spooled for about a week! IT really fawkin sucked. I'm sure you won't be driving that on road much, but even off road it was a bitch. my lock right unlocks enough to make turning off road pretty easy. I'm gonna have to go ahead and dissagree with you.
-Nate

what about a power lock in the front what whould that be like

in really muddy,sloppy conditions,a poerlock will have ass to keep both tires spinning. the end result is that your front end will slide around,just like it would with a spool or a locker. there is not enuff traction in slippery mud to allow a locker to unlock,or a LSD to slip. the bad thing here is you cannot unlock a hub with a lsd cause youll burn up its cluthces pretty quick(unless its a true trac) as the power floats thru to the unlockled side.

if you ever get one wheel in a zero traction situation(one wheel in the air,or on green jello) a LSD is not much more useful that an open diff. youll have that one wheel spinning just the same. here you will need a locker or spool.

you guys with spooled front 44s-what size tires you run? stock axlesahfts? what kinda rig? how often you break stuff? i dont really expect mine to last too long in a FSJ with 38" tires...

I ran 38s on a real heavy cj. The stock 44 stuff was fine until you started spinning and got some good traction. I'd break 2 or 3 in a 10 day
trip to tellico.

Also, Abba seems to have a had time turning his Scout with a Detroit front. Even though he has power steering, his arms are tired at the end of the day.
Geeze.... think that has something to do with those 44" tires, or the weight of that leaden Scout? :rolleyes:

Randii

Originally posted by randii
Also, Abba seems to have a had time turning his Scout with a Detroit front. Even though he has power steering, his arms are tired at the end of the day.
Geeze.... think that has something to do with those 44" tires, or the weight of that leaden Scout? :rolleyes:

Randii

bwhahahaha. Yeah you're right about that :D :D :D

I have run lockrights in both of my previous front axles, d30, d44, and have had no problems or complaints with them. Maybe I will look into one of those as well.

To many decisions, I guess you never can tell untill you try something for yourself. I figured I would get this kind of variety in answers!

I've got an ARB in the front of my cheerokee.
If the button ever gets stuck, I hope it's in the off possition

Originally posted by JR
I've got an ARB in the front of my cheerokee.
If the button ever gets stuck, I hope it's in the off possition

Point well taken!

its so cheap to get a lockright and twinstick I am going that route, can't beat cheap and effective.

Originally posted by NE-RokToy
its so cheap to get a lockright and twinstick I am going that route, can't beat cheap and effective.

true!

Originally posted by NE-RokToy
its so cheap to get a lockright and twinstick I am going that route, can't beat cheap and effective.

sounds good but a buddy of mine has broken 2 lockrites in his front 60 in the past year and a half. yes they sent him a new one the first time and he finnally bitched enough that they sent a second but they told him no more!! just save your money and get a full detroit. once you have it you won't regret it. just my op

run the spool just make sure you have the beer powered H-locker...yes this locker runs strickly on beer and kindness...you need to feed him or her beer and be polite when telling them to get out and lock and unlock the passenger side hub. leave the driver's side locked all the time and you'll be fine w/ 2low and what not...it's a poor man's (with friends) trick :D

thats a good one lol!!!