OK, what constitutes making an obstacle? Not ARCA or CALROCS rules but to you personally what does it take to say you made it or was that "GOT IT".

Since you can winch or strap just about any stocker over an obstacle your only making an obstacle if you DRIVE it.

They all count (except the helo) but they're different degrees. If one guy drove up, that's getting it better than the guy that had to winch, but that guys getting it better than somebody else who couldn't make it even winching. In other words, the first guy can say "I got it!" but the second guy has to say "I got it - asterick (winching)".

My personal opinion is, if you need a strap or winch assistance, you didn't really make it. Breaking out the cable or a strap is admitting defeat.

IMO making it means no winching, no strapping, no rockstacking :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Dan-H
IMO making it means no winching, no strapping, no rockstacking :flipoff2:

I totally agree with Dan. You have to do the obstacle like it is with only your flex and lockers to help you out...

if you take a strap or pull out the winch, you didn't get it. you got drug up it. and anyone can get drug up anything, so no bragging rights at all. if anything they should stay quite and admit defeat

So everyone that has done Suprise Canyon (may it RIP) did not get it? (EVERYONE has to winch) :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Lance
So everyone that has done Suprise Canyon (may it RIP) did not get it? (EVERYONE has to winch) :flipoff2: And Upper Helldorado.

Exactly my point Lance.

So any stocker that can can be winched over the box has done the box and "GOT IT". Seems sortof ironic.

And before anyone jumps shit.....

I'm in the majority crowd here on the voting, only if you drove over it did you get it.

There are different types of obstacles out there. Some are just plain impossible to drive in anything (your examples above of Upper Heldarado, Surprise Canyon, etc.) In those cases you can still get it with a winch and/or strap.

Other obstacles that people winch/strap and still proclaim how they "got it" right after the guy in front of them just drove it unassisted doesn't count.

IMO if you had a safety line, e.g. strap or cable attached just in case, and drove the obstacle it isn't considered gettin it.

You and the vehicle, no line, is considered gettin it in my book. :D

Originally posted by Belly Dragger
And before anyone jumps shit.....

I'm in the majority crowd here on the voting, only if you drove over it did you get it.

How about if you max out all of your credit cards on getting your rig built...is that still "getting it"? :flipoff2:

Kidding :D

Any of you guys actully tried winching up a technical obstacle? It isn't easy.

Originally posted by Belly Dragger
OK, what constitutes making an obstacle? Not ARCA or CALROCS rules but to you personally what does it take to say you made it or was that "GOT IT".

If I can get over the speed bump at the mall unassisted and without spilling my drink then I have "GOT IT!" I hate those big speed bumps that I need to winch over.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
Any of you guys actully tried winching up a technical obstacle? It isn't easy.

No one said it was. Just there are different types of technical obstacles, driveable and impossible. Winching an obstacle that someone else has driven does not mean you made it.

I don't understand how you can say you "GOT IT" without getting it unassisted. Although, I'd have to let someone attach a safety line and still say they "GOT IT" if they didn't tension the line. Maybe this is why I don't own a winch yet.

Easy

the only reason i pull the cable or hook up a strap is cause my rigs broke from trying my best to make it, or it just wont move.

Originally posted by yjtj
the only reason i pull the cable or hook up a strap is cause my rigs broke from trying my best to make it, or it just wont move.

so if you did upper helldorado, at the final waterfall, where everyone winches, you'd just keep tryin your best till you broke?? i bet you would.........

i heard... merely rumors of course... that a big ass unimog drove the last waterfall on upper heldarado, ive also heard that all 7 waterfalls have been driven up at one time or another at suprise canyon, so i guess there not impossible, if the rumors are true of course, but i dont consider it makn it unless u drove to the top under ur own power, its ok to use the winch as a saftey line as long as u dont tension it though...thats just my oppinion of course:smokin:

Winching is cheating!

I say "Getting it" is going out and giving it the best you can with the junk you have, and saying "Fawk the damage!" If you don't make it and have to winch out, as long as you weren't pussing out, you were getting it!

Originally posted by Jeepskickass
I say "Getting it" is going out and giving it the best you can with the junk you have, and saying "Fawk the damage!" If you don't make it and have to winch out, as long as you weren't pussing out, you were getting it!

I'll drink to that! Here here! :beer: :beer: :beer:

Originally posted by Jeepskickass
I say "Getting it" is going out and giving it the best you can with the junk you have, and saying "Fawk the damage!" If you don't make it and have to winch out, as long as you weren't pussing out, you were getting it!

well i think there's a difference between "getting it" in general and "getting it" where "it" is an obstacle. Once you can get through an obstacle unassisted it is like owning that obstacle. i agree that respect has to be given to anyone maxing out his rig's potential without regard to consequences. He is "getting it". However, if he doesn't conquer the obstacle under his own power he doesn't own that obstacle.

-Steve

Originally posted by Jeepskickass
I say "Getting it" is going out and giving it the best you can with the junk you have, and saying "Fawk the damage!" If you don't make it and have to winch out, as long as you weren't pussing out, you were getting it!

I agree with this, except quiting to avoid damge is totally acceptable. If you sacrifice your rig just trying to get it, you have some ego issues to take care of. You must first finish to finish first.

Originally posted by offroadr35


well i think there's a difference between "getting it" in general and "getting it" where "it" is an obstacle. Once you can get through an obstacle unassisted it is like owning that obstacle. i agree that respect has to be given to anyone maxing out his rig's potential without regard to consequences. He is "getting it". However, if he doesn't conquer the obstacle under his own power he doesn't own that obstacle.

-Steve

I think that this is what it's all about with the exception of this comment: without regard to consequences I like NE-RokToy's explanation. "You must first finish to finish first."

I think to get it you have to drive with out help from the outside. Dose this mean no pushing eather? According to my friends and I your not stuck unless you get pulled out.

i hate it when you hear people say "yeah i went and my little [ whatever ] on 31's went everywhere the big boys went. but if you were there they actually had to be winched or strapped over several obstacles or better yet they took the bypass. hey if that makes thier sticker thicker then so be it but i personally don't "make it" unless i make it unassisted .

Here's my example. :D Out playing one Saturday in my Leased daily driver. I did some things I should not have, flogged the piss out of it until I threw the rear drive shaft and had to give up and take the strap. Did I think I "got it" oh hell no!! Did alot of people there think so? Yes they did. I did get it 3 week later after I got a new drive shaft and made it to the top of the ledges I tried to get up the first time. :D

Seems we are mixing "getting it" with "making the obsticle".

For example. Matt, looks like you were "gettin it" but didn't "make it"

I think it's all a precedence thing. In the case of Upper Helldorado then winching it is still gettin' it. But in a case where others drive it then you too have to drive it to make it count, getting stuck etc is fine, I don't even care if you have to hi-lift off a rock as long as your getting forward momentum from driving.

What about having someone hang on to a bumper or slider to move your rigs weight around? Or to keep one end from going skyward? Is that as bad as winching?

As far as I'm concerned, putting a strap or winch under tension connected to a tree or other vehicle voids getting it. If ya got a safety strap on but no tension, or someone pulling a corner down witha strap, or someone surfing on a bumper, and you make it under your own power, that's gettin it. Even better if the surfer comes away with all fingers and toes still connected :D

Originally posted by rockracer
i heard... merely rumors of course... that a big ass unimog drove the last waterfall on upper heldarado, ive also heard that all 7 waterfalls have been driven up at one time or another at suprise canyon, so i guess there not impossible, if the rumors are true of course, but i dont consider it makn it unless u drove to the top under ur own power, its ok to use the winch as a saftey line as long as u dont tension it though...thats just my oppinion of course:smokin:

Suprise Canyon at one time could be passed without a winch. But that was a long, long time ago. The trail changed and was no longer passable without winching. Now, it's just not passable as it is closed. Too bad. I wonder how Trona is doing? Are all the Chruches still open?