I'm using Waggy outers on my RC44. To remove the internal half of the manual hubs, you have to remove this retaining ring/clip that fits into a groove in the hub. It's a reeeeaaal bitch to remove, trying to squeeze a couple pointy tools in the thin crevice between the hub wall and the locking hub gear. It appears as the only purpose of this ring is to keep the internal half of the locking hub from walking out (thus the entire locking hub I guess, since both halves screw together).

While breaking down the outers to R&R the bearings, it occured to me that the c-clip that goes on the end of the stub is larger than the I.D. of the internal half of the locking hub, and should be sufficient to retain it. Is this saino, or should I put that bitch of a retaining ring back in?? And if so, is there a tool I can buy that will help me retain what's left of my sanity when tearing down the outers???

Thanks,

Put the ring back in Chris. And get some practice with 2 small screwdrivers. I can pop em out in seconds that way ;) Dig one under the ring tip and push the other tip with the other, then just grab the end and pull it out.

you should keep it in there, the other way you are putting stress on a part to do somthing its not meant to. use a couple of real sharp small pocket knives, they work best for me, i always carry them in my toolbox just for that.

damnit, alright. I was afraid of that... actually expected it; didn't think I could get away with just removing something like that...:smokin:
Kinda like ripping a printer apart for service, (Laserjet IIIsi comes to mind) and having a couple extra screws left over when putting it back together.;)

I ended up taking the grinder to a couple tiny screwdrivers; got it down from 10+ minutes to about 5 minutes... but still with plenty of swearing.


Thanks guys.
:beer:

I fought cused and swore one side of mine attacking the ends of the ring with screw drivers, nails, and other instruments. One the second side, I took my pocket knife, and ignored the ends of the ring, instead, just slipped it under the ring about 3/4" away from the ends, lifted right out. Give it a try

chad

While you have the rings out, just take a grinder to them and cut the ends at the proper angle to facilitate easier removal. Mine seemed to have the opposite angle of what you'd expect for easy removal.

I used a hooked pic, works like a charm. I fought those damn things tooth and nail first time I did 'em though. You'll get it with practice.

Easy

I used snap-ring pliers :D Works every time :D

I used to cuss too untill I got a set of these...

Go get yourself the $1.99 pack of dental picks from Harbor Freight and you will cut it down to a 30 second job... :beer: :rasta:

wow I never had that problem before :eek:
IH uses the same hub

Originally posted by Aggro
While you have the rings out, just take a grinder to them and cut the ends at the proper angle to facilitate easier removal. Mine seemed to have the opposite angle of what you'd expect for easy removal.

Now I like that idea, I'll have to try that when I get ready to put them back in. :D

Good tips guys!

I think I'll take Aggro's advice, plus pickup some of those cheap picks. Last night I ended up grinding down some of those pocket screwdrivers to fine points.

Replace the stupid rings with spiro locks. They are real easy to get out, I had them on my old 44 and they worked great. Not sure where to buy them, though.

Pete

Well there's a good suggestion: I have no idea what spiro locks are and you have no idea where to get them! ;)

I found this link, http://www.flatlanderracing.com/jespirolocks.html Are spiro's basically like the c-clip that retains the stub in the spindle? If you think of where to get them, please post here.

Thanks,
Chris

Your link don't work, but, imagine a real thin lockwasher with 2-3 turns, and a notch at the end where you can get a screwdriver under it to get it out.

Pete

http://www.off-road.com/ford/bigbroncos/pics/3.jpg

nice pic D60! What tools are those?

Just small flatheads for servicing eyeglasses and such. IME some of these rings are more of a PITA than others. There seems to be round ones and regtangular ones. The round ones seem to come in varying thicknesses, too, and the the thicker they are the more they fight you. The rectangular ones are a real PITA but I think if you grind the ends as suggested above so you can slip something under it to pull it up that would help a lot!

Originally posted by Chief Yelling Alot
wow I never had that problem before :eek:
IH uses the same hub

No, I don't think so. IH uses an internally splined hub on their Dana44's and Wagoneers had externally splined Dana44's. You don't have this funky retainer ring on the internally splined hubs.

Originally posted by liveaxle


No, I don't think so. IH uses an internally splined hub on their Dana44's and Wagoneers had externally splined Dana44's. You don't have this funky retainer ring on the internally splined hubs.

:confused: are you sure?? I thought this whole thread was on the INTERNAL style of hub.. GM, Ford, Waggy, and yes, on the later IH full-sizes they used it too....

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite


:confused: are you sure?? I thought this whole thread was on the INTERNAL style of hub.. GM, Ford, Waggy, and yes, on the later IH full-sizes they used it too....


Maybe I got internal and external turned around :confused:. I do know that whatever the Wagoneer Dana44's are, they are the different style than what the Scout Dana44's are. The picture above is of what appears to be a Wagoneer Dana44 which uses the retaining clip, the Scouts only have one 'normal' C-clip which is easy to get out. That's the way the front of my Scout is. My Wagoneer clad Toyota uses the external C-clip along with the smaller internal one. I think that the confusion might be that I have been spouting off about a Dana44 front from a Scout not a big IH, sorry.



:)

I used snap ring plires on my IH 200
It has externals

Originally posted by liveaxle



Maybe I got internal and external turned around :confused:. I do know that whatever the Wagoneer Dana44's are, they are the different style than what the Scout Dana44's are. The picture above is of what appears to be a Wagoneer Dana44 which uses the retaining clip, the Scouts only have one 'normal' C-clip which is easy to get out. That's the way the front of my Scout is. My Wagoneer clad Toyota uses the external C-clip along with the smaller internal one. I think that the confusion might be that I have been spouting off about a Dana44 front from a Scout not a big IH, sorry.



:)


Scout II: EXTERNAL (unless you go with the WARN hub-convertion)

1/2T GM, later 3/4T GM/Ford/Waggy (most) and some later full-size IH (pu's and T-alls): INTERNAL



hmm, you know, thinking about it now, I'm not 100% sure on the full-siae IH's......

Originally posted by Aggro
While you have the rings out, just take a grinder to them and cut the ends at the proper angle to facilitate easier removal. Mine seemed to have the opposite angle of what you'd expect for easy removal.

Sage advice! I took Aggro's advice and ground the ends of the rings to a point; point is on the inside edge (closer to spindle than hub, make sense?). I also took a couple small screwdrivers and ground them down to look like dental tools. Now takes a matter of seconds to pull those retaining rings out. Thanks Aggro!!!:beer:

Like D60 said, the rings must come in varying thicknesses because mine take up virtually the entire channel and made it a bitch to get any tool under them.

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite



Scout II: EXTERNAL (unless you go with the WARN hub-convertion)

1/2T GM, later 3/4T GM/Ford/Waggy (most) and some later full-size IH (pu's and T-alls): INTERNAL



hmm, you know, thinking about it now, I'm not 100% sure on the full-siae IH's......




what he said!!!!


for example my hub (parts truck)


http://58binder.homestead.com/files/68-1.jpg see how it sticks out

the 3/4 tone had externel for some reson and the 1 ton with the 70 i'm not sure but I think they were internel