: truck needs a new motor
the oil pressure is fluctuating really bad. its getting really bad gas mileage, prolly 7mpg, and burns oil just as fast as the gas. its time for a new motor. the truck is currently a 86 f250 with 4.10, d60/10.25 and 35s and a 351w/c6/208 and holley projection. so what should i do rebuild it? swap in a 460? swap in a diesel? efi 460 maybe? i tow my heep around with it and also daily drive it. the truck has 160000 on anything that is original, though theres not much original left. so lets hear your thoughts, i dont think it would make 1 towing trip without throwing a piston or somthing through the hood. and i wanna get going on this. i have and opportunity to get a running 460 out of a low mileage lincoln for $200. shit im even considering:eek: swapping in a 454:eek: lets hear your opinions
Weezer 03-05-2002, 02:29 PM I have always been a big fan of the 390, dont you dare put a 454 in that poor sucker
fcfred 03-05-2002, 02:36 PM can you hear th clack clack clackity of a diesel?
cummins time anytime
now thats not an option, if i go diesel it will surely have 8 cylinders and have come out of a ford
MKBruin 03-05-2002, 02:57 PM hell if you can get a fresh 460 for $200 why wouldn't you jsut go that route? it should be close to a bolt in procedure wouldn't it?
if you're anywhere near Colo I'll take the 460 if you don't want it.
nope its gonna require new motor mounts, exhaust, either a 4x tranny or change of tailhousing on the 2x tranny. the tranny i have will not bolt up to a big block. ford used diff bellhousings for small blocks big blocks and diesels as well as diff motor mounts for the 3 also
Bindernut 03-05-2002, 03:23 PM Only 160,000 miles!!!?? If your truck was an International, with an IH 345/392 v-8, the rings would just be seating in for the long haul!!:flipoff2:
Sean, with a 400,000 mile 345 out of a dumptruck....
if it was an international i wouldnt own it
44Runner 03-05-2002, 03:31 PM That 460 still sounds like it would be pretty cheap. If it is, go for it. If not, I would go for the diesel...
Hayraker 03-05-2002, 03:46 PM Originally posted by yjtj
if it was an international i wouldnt own it
that 8 cylinder diesel you are so fond of and thinking of swapping in, WHO MAKES IT? not ford buddy.
diesel is a diff story, in my eyes anyway
Sillyneck 03-05-2002, 04:00 PM Originally posted by Hayraker
that 8 cylinder diesel you are so fond of and thinking of swapping in, WHO MAKES IT? not ford buddy.
That's what I was thinking ;)
well i told the guy im gonna take the 460, now i just have to figure out what parts im gonna need. the motor doesnt even have 50000 on it and i have heard it run, it runs great. im guessing ill need motor mounts, headers, exhaust. i will need to change the tailhousing on the tranny, which i might as well have rebuilt since ill have it apart. not sure if the d shafts will need to be lengthened or shortened and that about covers it. i should be able to reuse the projection unit and just retune it. wont even have to rewire it other than running the pink wire to power instead of ground.
66CJdean 03-05-2002, 05:00 PM Build the 351 into a 393, 408 or something like that. Ford and many others sell everything you need to do it. Coast high performance is a really good sorce too. For a daily I would keep it down to the 393 though.
Bindernut 03-05-2002, 07:15 PM Originally posted by yjtj
diesel is a diff story, in my eyes anyway
What if I told you the 7.3 IH diesel started life as medium-block gas engine? The 6.9 was at one time a gas MV-404, the middle brother to the SV-345 in my Scouts! The DV-550 IH diesel engine, not used in anything light-line used to be the big block gas engines...what does that tell you about how IH builds their gas motors? And, of course, the present day Powerstroke is built by IH even yet...
if it was an international i wouldnt own it
That's great, that means more IH stuff for me! If you want to rebuild your Ford stuff every 100-150k, it doesn't bother me at all. :beer: Now, if I could just convince you Jeep guys the same thing about Scout (Dana) axles, transmissions, and t-cases, then I'd have it made! :flipoff2:
(I hope you don't feel the need to take offense, yjtj, it's just some friendly cross-brand hazing) :D
i know i was originally busting your balls, and just to make you feel good my jeep doesnt have any scout stuff on it, its got chevy 1 tons a chevy motor and chevy tranny and a jeep t case. my next project jeep will be all ford drivetrain. you wont find any ih on my stuff i know better:)
Chief yelling alot 03-05-2002, 10:34 PM Originally posted by Bindernut
Only 160,000 miles!!!?? If your truck was an International, with an IH 345/392 v-8, the rings would just be seating in for the long haul!!:flipoff2:
Sean, with a 400,000 mile 345 out of a dumptruck....
the funny thing is... is that's true, I knew a guy with a 304 with 400,000 miels on it and it still puled strong :eek:.... but sompeople cant handel reliabuilty :p
throw this sucker in it
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1809328814&r=0&t=0
Chief yelling alot 03-05-2002, 10:39 PM Originally posted by yjtj
you wont find any ih on my stuff i know better:)
geee dont be to harsh
got to say somthing about factory steel cranks and direct timing gearing and high nickle content blocks and five bolt mains and just plane built to last and pull gut to give them credet for that eaven if ya dont like them
emsoffroad 03-05-2002, 11:32 PM Originally posted by Chief Yelling Alot
geee dont be to harsh
got to say somthing about factory steel cranks and direct timing gearing and high nickle content blocks and five bolt mains and just plane built to last and pull gut to give them credet for that eaven if ya dont like them
Credit given.. still can't rev em! But if you don't need em to rev they do last forever.
emsoffroad 03-05-2002, 11:43 PM Originally posted by yjtj
well i told the guy im gonna take the 460, now i just have to figure out what parts im gonna need. the motor doesnt even have 50000 on it and i have heard it run, it runs great. im guessing ill need motor mounts, headers, exhaust. i will need to change the tailhousing on the tranny, which i might as well have rebuilt since ill have it apart. not sure if the d shafts will need to be lengthened or shortened and that about covers it. i should be able to reuse the projection unit and just retune it. wont even have to rewire it other than running the pink wire to power instead of ground.
460 swap made easy. instead of buying expensive conversion mount, get a set of 390 motor mounts. Oblong two cross corner holes, chop off the lower corner. These will now bolt to the block and into frame horns. You will need to get a rear sump pan and oil pick-up. You can use the car manifolds, if you notch the frame on the right side(right where that tit sticks out). Use the 2wd tranny, it will have the extra clutch in the drums. You will not need to change driveshafts. Also most lincolns will have the saginaw ps pump. You will also need to get an oil filter relocation kit, or find a stock one, or notch the front crossmember out so the oil filter will stick thru.
Good luck on the swap.
FJ40_1969 03-05-2002, 11:56 PM Sounds like youv'e made a good decision, the 460 is a good bigblock motor. Now you will have to mate it up with your transmission or transfercase! Hopefully they match with little or no work! Mike :fj: :jeep2:
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