Im gonna start gettin parts together. Everybody says that my three speed wont cut it with some big tires(either 35's or 38's), and all the overdrive units ive seen have been like $500-700. What should I do about this? Also, Im thinking dana60 front, dana70 or 14 blt rear. How much should I pay for these axles? What gearing should I look for (Will 4.10's be good?). I think Im gonna run a lincoln locker in the rear. For the suspension, Im gonna use probably wagoneer springs with a springover. What should I do about driveshafts?
I know its a lot of questions, but I have to figure it all out, so any help with any of these questions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
:skull:Phineas:skull:

Drive it with the tranny, you'll know if it doesn't break. If your gonna run 38s (and actually use them) then you've answered your questions as far as axles goes. I don't have much to offer about the spring situation. If your driveshafts are too short you'll need them lengthened, if they are too long, you'll need them shortened.

I paid $100 for my 14 bolt. They usually go for $75 to upwards of $300 if they are fully loaded. I see front Dana 60's go for usually around the 1k mark depending on gears, etc. With 38's I would go with 4.56 or 4.88 or even 5.13 depending on type of wheeling you want to do with it. For drivelines give Jess a call at high angle driveline. Do a search to find his info.

Ah it sounds like your trying to build something to fit in or something like that. If you don't know whats wrong with a stock 3 speed you obviously don't need 38's and dana 60's. Go out and wheel what you got until your experiance and skills get you into terrain your vehicle can't handle. At this point take baby steps to build up your rig. This may not be the glamoures way to do things but you will be a hell of a lot better driver then alot of the guys out there, and you will not have to ask stupid questions.

Originally posted by NE-RokToy
Ah it sounds like your trying to build something to fit in or something like that. If you don't know whats wrong with a stock 3 speed you obviously don't need 38's and dana 60's. Go out and wheel what you got until your experiance and skills get you into terrain your vehicle can't handle. At this point take baby steps to build up your rig. This may not be the glamoures way to do things but you will be a hell of a lot better driver then alot of the guys out there, and you will not have to ask stupid questions.


AMEN!!!!! Couldn't have said it better myself!:beer: :beer: :cool:

I know its a lot of dumb questions from a 5 post newbie who doesn't know how to use SEARCH. But I'm too busy with my boyfriend to figure it all out. So any help with the questions about my sexuality would not be appreciated. Obviously I'm not only a newbie but :rainbow: too.

Well my original plan was to use waggy/scout dana 44's front and rear, but i keep hearing from people about how dana 44's break real easily. I dont have a huge engine (232 i6), so I probably would be fine with the 44's. Its just gonna be a whole lot of work, and I dont want everything to break as soon as I finish hooking it all up.
Do you all think I should stick with the 44's? Im thinking yes.

well it has to be obvious im a faggot - only a faggot would try to build up his jeep once well, so he doesnt have to do it twice. I was also wondering why you say newbie. When youre as much of a badass as you guys obviously are, shouldnt you call me something tougher(try fresh fish, or maybe bitch - that will definitely help keep the tough guy image up better than newbie.)? And if your gonna call me a faggot then fuckin say it and dont be a pussy and just post a little picture of a rainbow.
Keep on doin your thing badasses (making fun of 17 year olds).
Any help with my questions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Phineas

Start building it how ever you want. Come back with tech questions as you go.

Deeper gears are your friend, 'specially with that skinny motor.

Any body else have a site suggestion for this :rainbow: lost newby!?

All I see is a lot of "hardcore" daydreaming. :barf:

Originally posted by phineas
well it has to be obvious im a faggot - only a faggot would try to build up his jeep once well, so he doesnt have to do it twice. I was also wondering why you say newbie. When youre as much of a badass as you guys obviously are, shouldnt you call me something tougher(try fresh fish, or maybe bitch - that will definitely help keep the tough guy image up better than newbie.)? And if your gonna call me a faggot then fuckin say it and dont be a pussy and just post a little picture of a rainbow.
Keep on doin your thing badasses (making fun of 17 year olds).
Any help with my questions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Phineas

SMACK from a newbie with only 7 post's...
Nice comeback there Phineas. :D

Ok, My $0.02 is this. If your getting into building a usable trail rig and have questions on how to build it strong the frist time. You have come to the right place.
If you want to build it the cheepest way you might not have come to the right place. www.jeepsunlimited.com might be a better choice.

Ok, with that said. here you go.
If you can find a dana 60 front--- Use it.
If you can get a 14 bolt and lincon it --- Use it.
If you can find a better trany---- Use it. You really dont want the 3 speed if you can find a better trany.
Try posting another post in this section and ask; What trany should I use with 38's and 60/14's
When some smart ass here (and there is alot, but that's part of the fun) says something to piss you off, Dont take it personal.
Sort threw the BS and take the opinion of who you trust, based on their responses. And not only to your questions, read alot of posts by said responder and see if they know their shit or not.

Sounds like your rig will be a good trail rig.
My advise, dont go 44's ... The axles are a bit too small for 38's. and since you are down south I am sure you will be gettin it on mud/rocks.. Which mean's youll end up with 42's :D
Hope that helps yall

Dont be a bitch and actually call me a faggot - I thought I already explained it. The main question I have to ask now is how much should I look to pay for some waggy d44's? Im only asking because I dont want to get ripped off(but I probably deserve being ripped off after threatening your alls badassness).
Thanks
Phineas

-Im just talking shit to the people that talked shit to me, but Id like to thank those of you that have actually given me some info.

Sorry - I dont mean to take it personally, but i let people get to me too easily - Ill learn to ignore it, but it might take a few more posts

Originally posted by phineas
Sorry - I dont mean to take it personally, but i let people get to me too easily - Ill learn to ignore it, but it might take a few more posts

Guys like that are here (www.jeepsunlimited.com)

I just put that there to calm the temper of the badasses when they read my other posts. Itll probably just be fuel for their anger but hey,
what the hell

You can pick up Waggy D-44's for 100-200 each, depending on where you are and what shape they're in.
Have you figured out how wide you want to go?
Waggy D-44's come in two lengths. I put Narrow tracks under my YJ. Another option is a Scout II axle set. You outboarding your springs to fit? You know, you might want to start with the stock axles and wheel until you break. Get some experience first!
Since you're asking about a tranny, a T-18 with D-20 transfer case is a factory option for a CJ. Good low first gear and still readily found. Might have to hunt a bit but they're around. Can also adapt a Ford 2wd T-18 in there.

Get a thicker skin. They like to BS here.

Got some nice come backs and nothing's personal

Just to let you know...

You will not garner any respect by talking shit when

you have 10 posts and 6 of them are in this thread

Just use the handy SEARCH function and you could answer all of these questions. In fact there is another thread going on right now about how much a 60 costs to build.

Think and search posts before you post, otherwise expect to get flamed.

On a lighter note -clinical psycologists have proven that humans exhibit a defensive nature when confronted with a truth about themselves that they are in denial over.
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Originally posted by phineas
Sorry - I dont mean to take it personally, but i let people get to me too easily - Ill learn to ignore it, but it might take a few more posts

Thicken up newbie :flipoff2: Wife jokes are next :laughing: Seriously, sounds like you are on the right track, but someone said before, start building, ask as you go ;)

Wow phineas are you the kind of guy that freaks out on the trail when he brakes somthing and somone offers a little advice to help you get movig agine???? Ive run into a few of you guys down in Moab. Rember a cool head will solve problems alot better than freaking out. Oh ya go with a 14 bolt rear there a dime a dosen and cheap! while your at it the vehicle you rip it out of will probbly have a 44 front and then you have full with axles to.

I agree alot with what NE-Roctoy said as far as building up your rig for the terrain your on and the type of wheeling you do.
Try to plan your buildup based on what you need.
I will say though that if you intend to run 38s go with deeper gears than 4.10s
I'd be leaning toward an SM420 (if you can find one) or SM435, SM465 for trannie options.
I'd also get some HD springs if you plan to haul your Momma around in that Heep. :flipoff2: :D
You'll need thick skin to hang in this forum. ;)

Originally posted by bigdude
Just to let you know...

You will not garner any respect by talking shit when

you have 10 posts and 6 of them are in this thread

Just use the handy SEARCH function and you could answer all of these questions. In fact there is another thread going on right now about how much a 60 costs to build.

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FAGGOT:flipoff2:

Okay.....Senoir board member pulling rank and saying what's what!

Who the hell do you think you are being some internet weenie who talks sh!t to a newer guy when you have a few more months under your belt but barely any more posts then him? :flipoff:

This kid has some serious questions. He has been e-mailing me and I have been helping him out. I have his back. He's building his sh!T and using this board to get knowledge...all you sh!t talking fools are here to web wheel and bash...if that's your objective fawkin' go to JU and bash them...don't bash the hardcore in training. For FUCK's sake!

Razz him cause he's a newbie but all this bull shit w/ shooting down his ideas is FAWKIN CRAP!


chill the fuck out especially you bigdude...you're on my sh!t list now and you better appologize if you like this site!


Yea I'm singling out here but I can do that cause I have put in my time....hell I am futher along in the wheelin' world than half yall old fart sh!t talkers and I'm only 21! SO SUCK IT and if you can't keep it techy in here find your way out! this is gen chit chat bull shit not tech! :flipoff2:

that's my rant...nothing to see here people move along :D

Sillyneck Sounds ike your gdetting fed up with this crap as well.

Alright I have just one money saving hard core buildup plan that may or may not work out for every one.

Build the rear axle strong as possible. if you break both front axles or locker or munch a ring and pinion up front . you can still get home with the built rear end. well hopefully you don't break an output shaft at the same time.

You can pick up a waggy dana 44 front fairly cheap from wrecking yards spare axles from yards are cheap as well.

This is similar to what I will be running up front.
pick up a transmission from a wrecking yard and go through it. SM420 or NP435 let the choice be what motor you may swap in in the future.

420 for chevy swap 435 for ford swap :D

I went 4.88 gears I'm thinking I should have gone lowere but new that my front 44 would be stressing out as it is :D

feel free to pick my brain for ideas and pointers. I have been through a lot with my current build up.

HMMM Cutter that sure don't look like tech talk to me!

every time I've been on trail runs on Phil he didn't seem to have any trouble finding plenty of friends to help him.

HMMMMM Could be maybe because he takes the time to actually help people out rather then talk shit.

Ah yah he usually doesn't need much help though he's usually helping others out.

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Cutter
sure it's tech...life tech:D
and sillyneck- " I'm only 21" get a little more life under your belt and you'll realize your not as far along as you think you are...and ya need to calm down, don't let this crap get to ya so much. If you REALLY wheel hardcore, ya just might meet a bunch of these guys on the trail and you might just need 'em...:D


you are a newbie to me....I can buy and sell your @$$. Here's the deal....you wanna talk sh!T...go ahead...see what happens.

I am heading for the bunker this place is about to implode....LOL
Some of you may finally realize you cant out "HARDCORE" each other...what a joke.O yeah phineas get some 5 ton rockwells and 48's ,weldem up buy a shopping cart of heim joints and get ta work :flipoff2: This place cracks me up :D
For real phineas go to the salvage yard and get some scout or waggy axles some used 35's and go play...dont worry about your tranny or transfer case right now.

I wandered in here from JU, someone said it was a "BAD PLACE". It was people like sillyneck and keith strong that helped me. They practically forced me to SOA :D Now I am friends for life w/ these guys.

and cutter as far as meeting some of us on the trail, phil has worked on half the rigs here. He is one bad muthafabricator and good guy.

can ya feel the love?
GROUP HUG!!
:flipoff2:

oh and mr.RB, as too out hardcore remark. Ever see Sillys rig?

Originally posted by phineas
When youre as much of a badass as you guys obviously are, shouldnt you call me something tougher(try fresh fish, or maybe bitch - that will definitely help keep the tough guy image up better than newbie.)?

how about "CHERRY"?

Originally posted by Cutter


i'm not sure what I did to set him off.......was outta left field....

lol WTF do you think we call him SILLYNECK?!?!? :D

None of you wheel:flipoff2:

I say deepest gears you can swing. Build the rig for the trail, not for good highway RPM. All jeeps suck to DD anyway.

SOA, cus it's simple

Replace the tranny/case/engine when one or all blow a nut.

alright, I'm going to rehijack this thread back to something resembling the original topic. On a narrow track waggy front (yes I'm a newb, feel free to flame), how much wider is that versus the wheelbase of say a CJ2A? I want to keep my rig small and useable (narrow trails up here in na'hamshuh), plus I need to keep them tires underneath the flairs.

Willys axles are something silly like 52" WMS to WMS, oldjeep can give you better data.
I don't think you are gonna be able to bolt in a 44, and keep it under the tub, you will have to do some shortening

Originally posted by Sillyneck



you are a newbie to me....I can buy and sell your @$$. Here's the deal....you wanna talk sh!T...go ahead...see what happens.

You're funny.

Sillyneck....BAHAHAHAHAHHAHA :flipoff2: Settle down Beavis :p

Kid....Life friends? Awwwwwww $hit, what have I gotten into :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

The rest of you....newbie or not.....:flipoff2: ;)

Originally posted by Lame
Willys axles are something silly like 52" WMS to WMS, oldjeep can give you better data.
I don't think you are gonna be able to bolt in a 44, and keep it under the tub, you will have to do some shortening

thanks, yes they are silly short :flipoff2:

OK Listen up Cutter, I know Silly, he is 100% right! And web threats? Yes we can remove you from this site so don't get all to cocky my friend:emb4: I buy and sell guys like U all the time...lol,it's a fihuir of speach, ment to ber both funny and a cut on you, get it yet? what I'm saying is, u all[shit starters] need to plug your cake hole and start helping out or take it to chit-chat. regaurdless of what u have been told, talkin shit does not make u hardcore! I have recieved 10 emails on this thread about all u guys misstreating this guy!yes he needs to use the search feature, he also needs to tell us what type wheeling he will be doing, and weather it will be a daily driver or trail only rig. com awn! there are allot of you guys that know your shit, and still talk shit....u r better then this, please stop and think before you post. and if you like this site, you will. we have a moderator section where I and the others discuss threads like this, we have and can ban u, your whole ip we we want, the real big ban is when I contact your isp, he drops u like a bad habbit and I can compleatly block u from even being able to view this bb at all. so now Silly was not just threating u with "hot air" e don't like to ban ANYONE and to get banned U gota be one "stupid Ass DickHead" to not understand all the warning we give out. in short, be nice, treat people how u want treated, and have fun, this is the best 4x4 site around and I hate to see shit like this post happen:( if any of u see a post like this, email me or hit report this post.
thanks for your help.

Originally posted by Sillyneck



Razz him cause he's a newbie but all this bull shit w/ shooting down his ideas is FAWKIN CRAP!




I just wanted to say I AM shooting down his ideas because obviously he is a Newbie to the whole wheeling world, I don't think its in anyones best interest for him to jump in with both feet. Dude doesnt even know enough to understand why 3 speed trannies suck ass on the trail, I'm guessing he has never seen a tough trail. Trying to save him a little imbaresment on the trail, if he doesnt understand why he wants what he wants he won't be able to use his rig on the trail for crap. Let him jump in with both feet and we will have another jerk off on the trail that looks like a jack as because stock looking rigs make his "extreme rig" look like a POS. But hey i guesss this will make me look like a better wheeler.

My honest sugestion, through a cheap lift on your jeep and a rear locker and some mud tires. This will make a huge differance offroad. Drive the piss out of it like this while you find a good 4 speed tranny with a low first gear, after a little wheeling you will relize why you want a lower first gear. Now continue to wheel the piss out of it while you find and build some axles and get parts for your "extreme" suspension mods, and keep wheeling while you save up for some tires and wheels. it will take you awhile to gather all these parts and you will learn a ton about your vehicle and terrain and will understand what you really need. basicly get out and wheel and you will answer all your own questions. Here is what I outlined:

Phase 1: Small lift and 32" mud tires, welded rear diff. Cost would be a few hundred if you find used tires.

Phase 2: Heavy duty low gear tranny plus phase one. Cost a few hundred for adapter to transfer case and used tranny.

Phase 3: Pile-O-Parts, you spend more time having fun in your jeep

Phase 4; start the "Extreme Buildup" Low gears, one ton axles, Spring over with wrangler lift springs, rear traction bar, long travel shocks, FULL rollcage, HD bumpers and rocker guards

Fawk that, keep the three speed. I love picking up a beater just cause it has a 3spd. Can you say 1st-rev-1st-rev repeat. They are fun but after I went thru 3 of them, it was time for a change. Also if you don't mind changing them, my friends were giving them to me. And since I was in college and broke, I keep right on changing them, till I got around to swaping in the c-4.

My advice would be to go in steps. I build my jeep in steps and i learned a hell of alot. Satred iwth milsd suspensions, sotck axles and 33 m/ts. i gained building experince and i learned how to wheel without the pleasure of lockers. Then i went for soa, and dana 60/70. By the time i did this i had the experince to build and to wheel. But now that i look back at it all i wish i had gone al out fomr the beggining, but hey...i wouldnt have no shit if i didnt start form something.

go out and 4wheel. each time you come back you will want to change something and go back out. if you tear it down to put 1 ton of fun in it, it probably will have to be hauled off next year in boxes and you will never have, and never will want to wheel ever again.

my locked yj on its 30/35 lasted years and ran all kinds of hard trails all over the country. eventually you will want to change, but give it time.

I say build the rig the way you want it if you don't want to go in phases that is fine. maybe he has a daily driver that he does mild trails in.

Most people would agree with me that building the rig is fun.

If you want to build it up big and don't mind the rig being down for a while then just build it.

HAHAHA
I had My cj on 31's when I bought it I put a 4 inch lift on it and wheeled it on mild trails then one day it didn't pass smog and now it's been down for two years.

So go ahead and talk shit to me for not going through the proper build up phases.
My buildup phase consists of tearing a stock jeep down after a few trail runs. Buying a trail rig to get me by for a while then I sold it for money for the CJ-7. had nothing to wheel so I beat the crap out of my daily driver on trails.

Oh no I didn't go about my extreme trail rig buildup properly.

Build whatever you want dammit however you want whenever you want.

I wasn't raised on legos to limit my imagination or to follow some hardcore jeep building guide lines.



At least this guy isn't building a damn boat in his basement.

Originally posted by doctor_G
I agree alot with what NE-Roctoy said as far as building up your rig for the terrain your on and the type of wheeling you do.
Try to plan your buildup based on what you need.
I will say though that if you intend to run 38s go with deeper gears than 4.10s
I'd be leaning toward an SM420 (if you can find one) or SM435, SM465 for trannie options.
I'd also get some HD springs if you plan to haul your Momma around in that Heep. :flipoff2: :D
You'll need thick skin to hang in this forum. ;)

hahahahaha hey doc. i just picked up a 465 and a 205 for 75$, picked em up for a buddy of mine who did my paint.... tell me what you lookin for, i can usually find em... except rr60's :rolleyes:

Im with Sillyneck on this one.. Lighten up.. Man the guy just wants pointers for building his rig. While I agree, maybe he should wheel it stock first and see what it can do.. but.... Its his rig, and he can do what he wants with it. He's asking for advice, and we are trying to give it to him.. Don't bash him because he has ideas. Now, being a newbie, thats a whole different story..
Welcome newbie :flipoff2:
Scott

Originally posted by badassjeepguy


hahahahaha hey doc. i just picked up a 465 and a 205 for 75$, picked em up for a buddy of mine who did my paint.... tell me what you lookin for, i can usually find em... except rr60's :rolleyes:

Oh? how bout an Atlas :eek: .............never mind, I know where one is.................under Craigs rig. :D
Dude, I've been trying to call, ever think of checking the fawking answering machine! :flipoff2:
I'm in the market for a SM465. Yeah, I know..........I'll try calling again. :rolleyes: :D

Originally posted by Monkeyboy

HAHAHA
I had My cj on 31's when I bought it I put a 4 inch lift on it and wheeled it on mild trails then one day it didn't pass smog and now it's been down for two years.

So go ahead and talk shit to me for not going through the proper build up phases.
My buildup phase consists of tearing a stock jeep down after a few trail runs. Buying a trail rig to get me by for a while then I sold it for money for the CJ-7. had nothing to wheel so I beat the crap out of my daily driver on trails.




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Damn i saw them at america's Tire the OTHER day too! and i forgot!
Damn damn damn damn!

Sillyneck, geez dude

I never shot down this guys idea to build a good trail rig. I think it's good that anyone will surpass the bolt-on hardcore phase. I was just giving him some sh@t for asking questions that could be answered with the search button.

When I first visited this site everyone always preached to search first, and I did. That way I avoided a lot of the flaming.

My intentions were just to give him a little, while including that he should check the search because it could answer his questions. Then he got all fired up and started calling names, so I gave him a little more. But I ended it with a good old :flipoff2: to let him know I was just teasing and he shouldn't get so worked up.

I would never SERIOUSLY talk shit to someone over the web, that's ridiculous. I was just teasing him and he got all upset, then you added me to your sh@t list. I think it's ridiculous when people get worked up over BB's on the internet. Talking sh@t and being serious about it is something to be done in person. And yes I'm about the same age as you Silly (23) and I'm a bouncer on the weekends so I know what snapping ugly and being pissed is about. I didn't intend to piss this guy or anyone else off, and I really did add the :flipoff2: to indicate I wasn't serious in my put downs.

Now I know this should be in chit-chat so I'll add some tech-

It costs a lot to build a 60 front so watch out unless you've got a good job and good credit. Have fun wheeling and don't think everyone is serious when they razz you (because I was just teasing bro :flipoff2: )

alrighty...all back to tech :D thanks for correcting that Bigdude.

OK now that this has ended an a decent note. WTF???? I can see a few people that I consider contributors with bunched panties. ( including and NOT singling out Phill) I keep looking at this and think delete? Lock? or what? It seems to have ended as it used to in the old days, with a bit of self/ board moderating. That's good.

I agree a search was in order.

I agree for most folks on a budget just wheeling the piss out of it IS the best answer.

I also think, if this guy wants to put 38's on it first sure you miss a lot of the how to drive part, but who cares it's up to him. Besides he might think like Silly, he's better than those old timers, and enter Pro Rock or something. He then could become my competitor. Cool, I need any advantage I can take.

On this note :flipoff2: I'm calling this thread done.