Scout Gods smiled on me

[jdjanda]

The front SOA - Axle swap is done!! :bounce:

All it took was one Sunday, and the last three nights busting my arse and I finished. Just for a recap, swapped a Dodge or IH (not sure what it is, but got it for free) front end with SOA in place of the 4" SJ's and Scout 44. The front uses the Scout II outers with Chevy flat-top knuckles. In front I'm at 65" WMS to WMS the rear is at 63.5" WMS to WMS. The rear axle is a Travelall 60-2, with TSM rear disk kit. The front end had the spring perches at 32.5 with the pass side perch cast into the pumpkin with no room to move the springs in, so I had to move the spring mounts out 1/2" on each side. I also built in ~1" of lift into the new spring mounts. BenW hi-steer arms, I had to clearance the back of the arm to clear the calipers, about 3/16", and run 1/4" wheel spacers to clear the 4" BS wheels. The steering links are Bent and Twisted inverted T design with all new 1 Ton Ford TRE's. I also swapped in a Jeep Waggy pitman arm, no more hitting the springs for me :D I also installed new stainless steer brake lines in front (Bling, Bling)

The only item I need to complete for the run this weekend is installing the front square DL after a little grinding for clearance. Items left to complete later, new front and rear shock mounts for the new Deutsche Tech shocks. I'm running the SJ shocks up front and Rancho's in the rear. Clean-up the welds on all the spring mounts, overhead welding is a major PITA; I may take it in and have it welded by a professional. Lower the brake line mounts for a little additional length.

Initial driving impressions, it rides like a dam Caddy, tracks straight down the road (so that's what all that talk about caster is). I can honestly say even though it is four inches higher then the 4" SJ's it rides better and handles better. I'll post up some pics after the run this weekend, no time to screw with the camera I got a run to prepare for.

Joe

[ol John Henry]

tripple Cheers
:beer: :beer: :beer:

[ol John Henry]

and for those who dont drink

:smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

[Scout Dude]

"Don't smoke, don't drink..what do ya do?"....:D

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by jdjanda
The front SOA - Axle swap is done!! :bounce:



COOL!


at 32.5 with the pass side perch cast into the pumpkin with no room to move the springs in, so I had to move the spring mounts out 1/2" on each side. I


Another thought.. wouldn't the perch be set up for a 2.5" wide spring? If you're running 2" wide SII springs, you could've moved the spring over 1/2" inboard on the perch before the 2" wide spring would hit the housing.

Just drill a new center pin hole in the perch 1/2" inboard.

Not that it matters now that you're done.. :D


I also swapped in a Jeep Waggy pitman arm, no more hitting the springs for me :D



Does the Waggy pitman use the same TREs as a stock SII draglink? ... I need a new pitman arm...

Not that it would be difficult to change TREs on my custom draglink, either..



Initial driving impressions, it rides like a dam Caddy, tracks straight down the road (so that's what all that talk about caster is).


So you did a cut n' turn on the front end?


I'll post up some pics after the run this weekend, no time to screw with the camera I got a run to prepare for.

Joe

Whaddya mean no time for pics??!?!!

You'd better be quicker about posting some than Rustoleum White was about his trail ride.. only took him a month or so... :rolleyes:

-Tom

[Scouter]

You running that nice crome diff cover that came on the rear 60?

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Scout Dude
"Don't smoke, don't drink..what do ya do?"....:D

Where's the :wrench: icon? :D

Think of all the extra $$$ for parts and tools if you don't smoke or drink!

A friend of my mom's recently bought a finished kit-car.. something he's wanted for a long time.. I think it's based off a VW chassis, but sports gull-wing doors n' such..

Everyone thinks he's crazy for spending so much $$$ (no idea how much) on a toy like that..

Then he tells them.. "What do you mean? That's only 6 months of :beer: money!"

He quit drinking.. well, probably 6 mo to a year ago. :D

It must be an expensive purchase.. he went through a LOT of :beer: :D

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by tsm1mt

Another thought.. wouldn't the perch be set up for a 2.5" wide spring? If you're running 2" wide SII springs, you could've moved the spring over 1/2" inboard on the perch before the 2" wide spring would hit the housing.

Just drill a new center pin hole in the perch 1/2" inboard.

Not that it matters now that you're done.. :D

Yes, you are correct, however, I am now setup for 2.5 springs when ever I want to do it. All I have to do is remove the 1/4" spacer from the rear spring mount, cut out the outside plate and weld in a new piece in the rear, up front two 1/4" pieces welded to the spring hangers and I am ready for 2.5" springs. :D


Originally posted by tsm1mt
Does the Waggy pitman use the same TREs as a stock SII draglink? ... I need a new pitman arm...

Not that it would be difficult to change TREs on my custom draglink, either..


Good question, I don't think so, the waggy pitman uses the larger TRE taper, so I don't think it is compatible with the Scout II TRE's, but you could swap in larger TRE's and ream the hole on the knuckle. Did I mention my links are .375 wall :eek:


Originally posted by tsm1mt

So you did a cut n' turn on the front end?

No need to, the axle had plenty of caster already.


Originally posted by tsm1mt
Whaddya mean no time for pics??!?!!

You'd better be quicker about posting some than Rustoleum White was about his trail ride.. only took him a month or so... :rolleyes:

-Tom

I'll have action pics after this weekend, no need for pics in the driveway, I don't care how it performs in the driveway, or how well a forklift can flex it :D

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by Scouter
You running that nice crome diff cover that came on the rear 60?

The chrome helps attract attention to my rear :p


I've got a bid in on ebay for a thick cover.

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by jdjanda




No need to, the axle had plenty of caster already.


Then it must not have come out of an IH! :D

I haven't checked, but I was told my T'all also sports 0-deg caster from the factory..

[RustoleumWhite]

Originally posted by tsm1mt

Does the Waggy pitman use the same TREs as a stock SII draglink? ... I need a new pitman arm...


no, it uses the bigger style. But a Dodge pick-up, 2wd pitman is only 1" shorter than the waggy, and uses the Scout sized TRE.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~marka/PhotoAlbums/SOAv1/P0000005.sized.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~marka/PhotoAlbums/SOAv1/P0000006.sized.jpg

Dodge, Waggy, Scout II

[RustoleumWhite]

Originally posted by jdjanda

No need to, the axle had plenty of caster already.


whats your pinion angle like??



I'll have action pics after this weekend, no need for pics in the driveway, I don't care how it performs in the driveway, or how well a forklift can flex it :D


:flipoff2: :flipoff2: hey, it was the best I had at the time..

Snow runs don't show squat for spring performance, and I need to build a new long-travel before I REALLY beat on it.... but I will...


No, NO SQUARE DRIVE SHAFTS FOR ME..... 32-spline PTO :D :D

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite


whats your pinion angle like??

I'd say about 5 degrees up, I'm not running any shims on the axle. The DL is binding because of the yokes on the DL.



Originally posted by RustoleumWhite


:flipoff2: :flipoff2: hey, it was the best I had at the time..

Snow runs don't show squat for spring performance, and I need to build a new long-travel before I REALLY beat on it.... but I will...


I wish I had something to try out the flex, I don't even know if the thing is going to work. And I agree snow runs are not much help for flex, I ran my 35's on a snow run prior to the SOA with very little rubbing.

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite

No, NO SQUARE DRIVE SHAFTS FOR ME..... 32-spline PTO :D :D

Whimp, nothing like a shaft that you can't take over 25 MPH, but on the plus side, I have about 14" of slip :D

[RustoleumWhite]

were there cast in studs on the front D44?? If so it was a dodge.


Did one of the u-bolts go through a hole in the web of the center section?? If so than it might have been an IH... well atleast the closed knuckle ones I have seen... not sure about the open ones...


Be curious what axle you ended up with... might be very usfull info for the "future".....


:D


I *would* have some flexy pics, if Hooper had been busy snapping pics... Last run we *did* play in the rock-garden a bit.... I couldn't too much or I would pull the saft apart (had a limiting strap on), but i still crossed it up decent... we just weren't posing at that time....

[Tony Sobrito]

prettty sure 32.5 is dodge spring centers and nice arm pics too!

[Ben W]

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite
were there cast in studs on the front D44?? If so it was a dodge.


Did one of the u-bolts go through a hole in the web of the center section?? If so than it might have been an IH... well atleast the closed knuckle ones I have seen... not sure about the open ones...


Be curious what axle you ended up with... might be very usfull info for the "future".....


The open knuckle drum brake Dana 44 sitting under the front of my '73 1110 uses the studs on the inside pass. side rather than a u-bolt, just like the Dodge housings.

[Cliffy [JD]]

Originally posted by jdjanda
The front SOA - Axle swap is done!! :bounce:

I also swapped in a Jeep Waggy pitman arm, no more hitting the springs for me :D

Joe

Glad to see some progress from someone on this board.;)

So did that Waggy arm have the GM TRE taper or did you have to get it reemed???:beer:

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Ben W


The open knuckle drum brake Dana 44 sitting under the front of my '73 1110 uses the studs on the inside pass. side rather than a u-bolt, just like the Dodge housings.

My '72 open knuckle 1110 Travelall outside is the same way.

not very desirable for a tall SOA front end since it makes it difficult to adjust the pinion angle.

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by Cliffhanger

So did that Waggy arm have the GM TRE taper or did you have to get it reemed???:beer:

Had the GM taper already, the only problem is there is not a lot of drop in the arm, so I had to wack about a 1/8" off the top of the TRE stud.

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by Ben W


The open knuckle drum brake Dana 44 sitting under the front of my '73 1110 uses the studs on the inside pass. side rather than a u-bolt, just like the Dodge housings.

Here is the history on the axle, picked it up from Anything Scout, so most likely it was an IH, however Jim will take about anything for a trade so it could be a dodge.

The axle does use studs 9/16 course to be exact. The rear stud is in line with the rear threads on the U-bolt, the front stud is between the center pin and front threads of the U-bolt.

The axle tubes are 1/2" thick. The problem I had is the diff is further out then a Scout II, so I could not use a u-bolt if I wanted to, and I had to move the springs out as there was no room to move them in.

The outside U-bolt does not go through the webbing. The inner axles also came from Anything Scout, but are a tad off, the short side is about 3/8" too long, and the long side is about 3/8" too short, but we're splitting hairs here.

I'll post pics of the axle, maybe I'll offer :beer: to the first person that can identify the axle, including the year, make, and model.

[Scout Dude]

Originally posted by jdjanda
I'll post pics of the axle, maybe I'll offer :beer: to the first person that can identify the axle.


Done..It's a Dodge for sure:D (crossing fingers..please don't be wrong...please)

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by jdjanda

I'll post pics of the axle, maybe I'll offer :beer: to the first person that can identify the axle, including the year, make, and model.

There I changed the rule to eliminate the 50/50 guess :flipoff2:

[Scout Dude]

Originally posted by jdjanda


There I changed the rule to eliminate the 50/50 guess :flipoff2:

Aw crap...you suck:flipoff2:

Unless I'm missing something, Dodges were the only sprung over 44's with the studs. IH's were sprung under right?

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Aw crap...you suck:flipoff2:

Unless I'm missing something, Dodges were the only sprung over 44's with the studs. IH's were sprung under right?

You're going to MAKE me go outside and lay in the snow to take a picture, aren't you? :D

My Travelall is SOA and RS from the factory.. with a studded passenger side spring perch and 2.5" springs.

It's a '72, open knuckle, with 11x3 (OK, 11 1/32 x3) power drums up front.

Rear is SOA with a tension shackle.

[Ben W]

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Aw crap...you suck:flipoff2:

Unless I'm missing something, Dodges were the only sprung over 44's with the studs. IH's were sprung under right?

Nope, the fullsizes are spring over

[Scout Dude]

Ok..ok..ok (getting back up from being beaten down:D )

Sheesh...I'm IH-Stupid remember?

Thx for the lesson!:flipoff2:

[Hooper]

Originally posted by Scout Dude
"Don't smoke, don't drink..what do ya do?"....:D .

[Hooper]

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite


whats your pinion angle like??





:flipoff2: :flipoff2: hey, it was the best I had at the time..

Snow runs don't show squat for spring performance, and I need to build a new long-travel before I REALLY beat on it.... but I will...


No, NO SQUARE DRIVE SHAFTS FOR ME..... 32-spline PTO :D :D

Uhh, yes, yes you do.

[ol John Henry]

Originally posted by jdjanda


The inner axles are a tad off, the short side is about 3/8" too long, and the long side is about 3/8" too short, but we're splitting hairs here.




Interesting! What kinda locker are you using :question:

[jdjanda]

Originally posted by cornfedred



Interesting! What kinda locker are you using :question:

Lunch box up front, open in the rear. Down the road, either Detroits front and rear, or powerlock front, and welded rear.

Joe

[tsm1mt]

Had a little brake failure on my T'all today.. so (after I limped home) I had a chance to take some pictures..

1972 1110 - 1/2T (6,000 GVW), 4x4, open knuckle '44 front, 11x3 drums.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/3_10_2002/pic287.JPG


Passenger side perch, with an outer U-bolt, inner bolts.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/3_10_2002/pic289.JPG

Top

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/3_10_2002/pic293.JPG

This pic shows the rear "stud" mount. It's the square block just to the left of the spring.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/3_10_2002/pic294.JPG

And here's a pic of the Chevy '44's same spot, with the groove for the U-bolt.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/3_10_2002/pic296.JPG

I drilled out the center pin holes on the Chevy '44 with my 5/8" drill bit to accept the new 3/8" center pins..