Fellow Four wheelers;
Not an attractive idea, but food for thought. Shows how some folks are
thinking about controlling 'mavericks'.
BCNU,
Brad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Riebel" <RenegadeCJ@earthlink.net>
To: <RenegadeCJ@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:10 PM
Subject: Panel: Permitting needed for responsible off-roading




http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2002/mar/06/513134980.htm
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2002/mar/06/513134980.htm l

Panel: Permitting needed for responsible off-roading
> By Launce Rake
<lrake@lasvegassun.com>
LAS VEGAS SUN FALLON -- Participants in the Nevada Land-Use Summit called for new requirements governing off-road vehicle enthusiasts, including registration fees and the need for those venturing into federally managed areas to file land-use plans. The participants -- among them environmentalists, ranchers, federal and state government officials --
said the proposed permitting process is necessary to stop the excesses of "a
few bad apples" who are harming land and private property. Ranchers, in particular, use the federal land for grazing and have sometimes invested thousands for equipment, fencing and other needs. Federal agencies such as the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service also are concerned
that some off-roaders have carved new trails through once inaccessible back country. About 250 people split into nine groups. Most came back with very similar recommendations on how to curb problems caused by some off-road drivers. The need is "to control proliferation of roads, damage to the environment and cultural resources," said Jane Feldman, a Las Vegas-area environmental activist. "We need penalties and enforcement," she said. People intending to drive into the federally managed lands should have to file "travel management plans" that indicate they will stay within pre-designated boundaries approved for such vehicle use. Those boundaries should be developed by local citizen groups, several groups reported. Most groups also said registration fees for off-road permits and
identification, which would be carried on the vehicles, would help curb misuse. Jo
Simpson, BLM communications chief in Nevada, said misuse has been a problem on federal land for the agencies involved, for ranchers and for animals and plants in those areas. "Some people are not respectful of the land and people's property," she said. "Hopefully, that is a minority." In Las Vegas off-road vehicle enthusiasts have argued with environmentalists over the creation of federally designated "wilderness areas," which would bar nearly all motorized vehicles. Senators Harry Reid and John Ensign have proposed legislation that would create some wilderness areas in Clark County. But the environmentalists and a handful of those who use and enjoy taking four-wheel drive and all-terrain vehicles, motorcycles and even snowmobiles onto federal land did not have the same split Tuesday. Participants agreed that maintaining access is important. Karen Boeger, a retired schoolteacher
from
Ely and a member of Friends of Nevada Wilderness, said the two groups can
find common ground. Most off-road fans, she said, will respect the land if
they know the rules.:confused:

Scott Riebel
Director of Environmental Affairs
United Four Wheel Drive Associations
www.ufwda.org

sounds like a great way to control the general public to me.....I'm sure all the "bad apples" will file use permits and get the necessary applications before going out a ruining the environment....afterall, drug dealers abide by gun laws and all have the necessary permits for their weapons :rolleyes:


:usa:

I saw that yesterday, and my immediate reaction was that it is the most outrageous example of extremism I have seen in a while. Fortunately, I think there is very little chance of it happening, but it is still not something that we want to drop completely off the radar screen.:mad:

Originally posted by Yellowsub1962
I'm sure all the "bad apples" will file use permits and get the necessary applications before going out a ruining the environment....afterall, drug dealers abide by gun laws and all have the necessary permits for their weapons :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly... if they don't do the right thing now without these laws/rules... wtf makes them think they will follow them after they change stuff? And of course if some idiot does go off and do something against this... you know who will get blamed.... Idiots are are idiots period. No amount of laws or changes or rules will protect what they are trying too from them. If they are determind to wreck something they will find a way....

I received the following reply to my post (another BBS) regarding the Sand Mountain cleanup on Easter weekend:

Unreal, a bunch of cali commies want to pay fees to ride on public land and have a bunch of armed BLM thugs out there enFORCEing the "law". I moved from commiefornia to get away from the SAFETY NAZIS and now it looks like that dump is goin to destroy some of the fun here in NV too. Free out there is freedom and keep the "law" pigs outta there. This still has a wild west feel out here and if people want to feel safe they can go and ride in cali where they already ruined everything and live under a police state.

That web page should be called enemies of sand mountain.

I think this guy would probably pay those permit fees to follow the rules.....:rolleyes:

Here is my response to him. (http://forums.atvconnection.com/messageview.cfm?catid=24&threadid=297253&start=1)

Crowdog
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.....