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stupidfast
08-15-2005, 08:44 PM
i dont feel like paying to have somone mount the muidders i will eventualy buy. i am walking into this question completely blind.. may be too noobish to even be in the noob section, but can i mount my own mudders on my own rims?? i can mount my own tires on my dirtbike no problem. but is it even smart to do it yourself with tire irons? the bead is bigger and thicker than on a motorcycle obviously, so.. lol it would probly be a bitch. but i dont wanna pay. or should i pay, so its done right and easy. go ahead and flame me.... :mad3:

FrontCC
08-15-2005, 08:53 PM
most places will charge $5 a tire...others will do it free....check around and make some calls.

4x4junkie
08-15-2005, 08:55 PM
I've mounted my own tires, its not impossible. Basically impossible would be properly balancing them though (if thats important).

You should have some way of restraining the thing should it blow though (and not stand next to it while seating the beads). From what I understand, beads blowing apart can sever limbs.

You'll need something to allow the bead to slip over the rim (i used diluted dish soap).

ironpig70
08-15-2005, 10:50 PM
i have done probaly 50 tires. most ag and bobcat tires and there a pita. first you will need to use a special bead breaking hammer, then a couple tire irons, and then a bead setter. i'd say a set of 4 tires to dismount and remount will take you 1 30 minutes to 2 hours. if i was you i'd let a tire shop do it alot easier.

4Mogger
08-15-2005, 11:16 PM
i have done probaly 50 tires. most ag and bobcat tires and there a pita. first you will need to use a special bead breaking hammer, then a couple tire irons, and then a bead setter. i'd say a set of 4 tires to dismount and remount will take you 1 30 minutes to 2 hours. if i was you i'd let a tire shop do it alot easier.

Or just run beadlocks or a 2 pc. double beadlock wheel like my H1 wheels. No effort at all to drop the tire over the inner wheel and then bolt the outer face on and torque it all down.

4x401cj
08-15-2005, 11:21 PM
Bigger tires can be hard to do with even the right equipment. Case in point, on Saturday I recieved my 4 new 37 X 17 MTR`s and thought I`d be able to mount them since I only needed to get them over 1 side of the wheel. The wheels are 17" Eagle Alloy 186`s converted to beadlocks by Sky Manufacturing. Even with tire irons I had NO luck, they were a tight fit and MTR`s are a VERY stout tire. I loaded up the tires and wheels and went back to America`s where I bought the tires and it still took the tire guy AND myself twisting on the tire to help the machine get them on the wheel. Pay the mounting fee and save yourself the hassle.

stupidfast
08-16-2005, 07:12 AM
sweet. good to know. if they only charge 5 bucks, then id rather not chance scratching up my rims or damaging the bead on my new tires.

YZEATER
08-16-2005, 08:53 AM
i change all of my own tires. from dirt bike to atv to light truck to big mud tires. i have a bead breaker from jc whitney that is about wore out from changing tires. i have a couple of long tire irons about 20" long. once you learn how to do it it doesn't take very long. it a little bit of work but it saves money.

jonx4x4
08-16-2005, 07:17 PM
...You should have some way of restraining the thing should it blow though (and not stand next to it while seating the beads). From what I understand, beads blowing apart can sever limbs...

This is the truth!! I nearly lost sight in my left eye due to a little bitty car tire blowing up in my face(on prom night no doubt!! :mad3: ). All I was doing was seating the bead while it was laying in the back of my truck. I still cant see all that well out of my left eye. Since then, Ive turned my head any time I go to seat the bead on a tire.

Too bad they dont make beadlocks for little bitty car 14" rims... :rolleyes:

Traveller
08-16-2005, 07:50 PM
The only time I mount or dismount my own tires is if I don't have another choice. You can use a jack and the weight of your vehicle to the bead loose, bumper or Hi Lift jacks work best.

Aubl14
08-17-2005, 08:54 AM
I worked in a shop doing tires for a while and have mounted lots of tires. all are different. I had some 16's on my wifes car that were a pain to put on the rimand seat with a tire machine. And then my 39 swampers (16.5 rim) that i did on the ground with dish soap that slid on without having to use irons. In the long run pay the $ to save a possible head ache.

MB

charlo
08-17-2005, 01:42 PM
I mounted my 39.5 TSLs on 16.5s by just having a freind and i jump on it. Slid right on about 2 minutes each. Wrapped a ratchet strap around the out side to help seat the bead and was easy. I tried for 3 hours and could not get some 35" M/Ts to mount on a 15" rims. Not 1.

Charlo

goinbigger
08-17-2005, 02:34 PM
Jump on them with the tire fully deflated, it's not that hard to break a bead loose. Then a little diluted dish soap to help slide them on. Spray some brake cleaner in there and throw in a match, stand back and then jump on it when it flies in the air and try to get air in it in about 5 seconds! :flipoff2: LOL I have seen this done by the way. Took a couple tries but them crazy bastads got them on and mounted!

Tim84K10
08-17-2005, 08:51 PM
I have stazworks double beadlocks. They're a bitch to dismount, but they're a piece of cake to mount, once you learn how to do it.

n9emz
08-17-2005, 09:25 PM
The hard part will be dismounting the old tires....the jack tip or gently driving up on the deflated tire with a vehicle will break the bead. I used to have tire spoons made from leaf springs and they worked real nifty. Soap up the new tire beads real good and you can usually slam the inner bead 3/4s of the way on the rim and use your full weight on your knees to walk the other quarter on. Then spoon the outer bead on. But it's an awful lot of bs just to save $20-$30 to have them mounted at a tire store.

As for inflating them, I saw some kids experimenting with starting fluid and matches....took three tries and they nearly burnt up the tire, but they seated the bead with the full weight of the vehicle on the tire, on the ground. Using a ratchet strap is a better idea.

Good Luck.

butch6924
08-18-2005, 12:56 PM
Or just run beadlocks or a 2 pc. double beadlock wheel like my H1 wheels. No effort at all to drop the tire over the inner wheel and then bolt the outer face on and torque it all down.

Seriously? Or do you just want to show off your pretty rims? :)

The kid is talking about saving $20 by putting in ~1-2hrs of work. Do you think he's got the kind of jack to pick up a set of H1 wheels?

Wal-Mart and NTB both do it in my area for ~$5 per tire, mounted & balanced. Also, if you're buying used most places will do it free with tire purchase. Don't waste the time or effort.

mucknet
08-18-2005, 08:06 PM
Its really not that hard, I've mounted my irok's more times than I'd like to admit... To break the bead, remove the valve core with a tool like this: http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Images%20JPG/VALVE_CORE_TOOL_B.JPG which is available at most kragens.

Then put your tire under the bumper of your jeep or a friends jeep (preferably a friends since yours is now on the ground and your vehicle is on your jack or something).. then highlift off the sidewall of the tire, on the bumper of the jeep. This is usually very easy for my tires, but i've worked with some that were a bitch... you gotta just keep goin, but make sure you don't rip the sidewall with a corner of your jack :)

Do this to both beads (though usually you can just jump on the inside bead). Then cover the wheel in soapy water for a little lube action :smokin:

use one of these bad boys http://www.toolweb.com/pics/KEN34645.jpg from harbor freight (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=47766) and pry that summabitch off your wheel. Two tools would be best, but I just use a screwdriver as the second tool. You'll need to sort of work your way around, its not rocket science, but it can be a workout..

Once you get the tire off add more soapy water, and pry a new tire on. To seat the bead, on smaller tires you can use the brake cleaner/spark method, and it sure as hell is fun and looks cool (not sure about doing it while the tire is ON the rig though, so close to a gas tank :shocked: ) but, on my 42's I have to use a ratchet strap around the circumference of the tire right down the center, until there aren't any gaps betwene the tire and the wheel (or at least minimal ones), then put air in it (with the valve core still removed).. Make sure you get something with at least 150psi airflow... c02 tanks work well... crappy onboard air does not. If you still have small gaps, bouncing on the tire, or kicking it will seal the gaps up well enough.. after the sidewalls start to push out ever so slightly, take the ratchet strap off.

Don't be a dummy and put too much air in it to seat the bead.. if you hit 40 pounds and it still hasn't sealed.. put it on the truck and drive around on it a little bit (use your head, don't get on the freeway)... I've never had to inflate past 20 or 30 pounds on my 42 iroks'.

I don't balance my tires, but if I did, this method would suck :)

Edit: and by "it's not that hard", I mean its less than 2 hours for all 4... but if I had the choice I would pay someone to mount that shit.. but no one around here will touch 42's.

4Mogger
08-18-2005, 11:39 PM
Seriously? Or do you just want to show off your pretty rims? :)

The kid is talking about saving $20 by putting in ~1-2hrs of work. Do you think he's got the kind of jack to pick up a set of H1 wheels?

Wal-Mart and NTB both do it in my area for ~$5 per tire, mounted & balanced. Also, if you're buying used most places will do it free with tire purchase. Don't waste the time or effort.
Stazworks wheels work the same and are waaaay cheaper. Probably cost less than the wheels he is running now.

mudslinger99
08-18-2005, 11:50 PM
Wal-Mart and NTB both do it in my area for ~$5 per tire, mounted & balanced. Also, if you're buying used most places will do it free with tire purchase. Don't waste the time or effort.

That $5 bucks a tire sounds good but most Walmarts won't touch anything over 35 inches.. So your idea is great if your running that size or under..

Your best bet is to find a tire shop that deals with tractor and trailer tires because they have the machines to handle bigger tires..

In all honesty after dismounting and mounting some tires in 100 degree temps I would say it is better to carry them to a shop and have it done.. I spent almost 2 hours beating and banging on them damn things trying to save time and money but after I was done I sure wish I went to the shop and had them done.. And if you need them balanced a lot of shops charge the same price to just balance them as they would have done all of it for..

pk
08-19-2005, 12:10 AM
Last weekend I mounted my 32" super swampers in like 40 minutes, and thats only because I had to break down my 30" and use a ratchet strap to seat the bead. I mounted my 37" tires on my 17" rims like like 10 minutes. I soaped them down and pushed them on without any tools.

charlo
08-19-2005, 01:20 AM
If your a redneck youll burn the old tires off and then hit the rim with a quick shot of the rattle can :smokin:

Charlo

800MJ
11-29-2007, 08:08 PM
i tried for hrs tonight to get new 235 75s on my 150. i bought hitech retreads and the local shop didnt want to touch them. pussys. and damnit i have a heavy rachet strap wtf why didnt i think of that. id go try it again if it wasnt 10pm and 10 mins away. my compressor is only a 20 gal 125 psi. tonight i got my old spare off and the new tire on but was unsure if when i got air in them it would set the bead. but i never got that far cause the gaps and not using the ratchet strap. so with wd40 and 125 psi and rachet strap can i set the bead??

edit: its in the 30s at night. should i go through the trouble of letting them sit infront of a heater first? or will it not make to much a difference?

Travis Waldher
11-29-2007, 11:01 PM
I have actually used my jeeps winch instead of a ratchet strap. Just wrapped the cable around the center of the tire back to my bumper.

ALMOST had to do that in a tire shop getting my 38x12.50's on 8" wheels to seat. Ratchet strap was of no use.

Donahue
11-29-2007, 11:49 PM
damn guys, you seem to have trouble with all the easy stuff. i mount all my own tires, from my dd to my 38's. i just use a hi-lift and a heavy truck to break both beads. then i use a tire iron (the one i use is for a motorcycle). usually dont even need soapy water or anything else. then just put the tire and rim on a bucket. fill it liberally with starting fluid or carb cleaner, make sure you spray a line over the tread and down to the ground. then light it and watch the show. sometime you have to be quick with the air right after so the back pressure doesnt take the bead back off (such as with a 16.5). my 38.5x16x15's jumped a good 2 feet of the bucket the last time i seated them. i use steel bb's to balance all my tires, i like the sound.

NetBSD
11-30-2007, 12:07 AM
damn guys, you seem to have trouble with all the easy stuff. i mount all my own tires, from my dd to my 38's. i just use a hi-lift and a heavy truck to break both beads. then i use a tire iron (the one i use is for a motorcycle). usually dont even need soapy water or anything else. then just put the tire and rim on a bucket. fill it liberally with starting fluid or carb cleaner, make sure you spray a line over the tread and down to the ground. then light it and watch the show. sometime you have to be quick with the air right after so the back pressure doesnt take the bead back off (such as with a 16.5). my 38.5x16x15's jumped a good 2 feet of the bucket the last time i seated them. i use steel bb's to balance all my tires, i like the sound.

mayber you should add that you shouldnt use alot of starting fluid, that shit goes quick. ive been doing my own tires since i started driving and thast how i always did it, only we run the tire over with another truck to pop the bead

Donahue
11-30-2007, 12:18 AM
mayber you should add that you shouldnt use alot of starting fluid, that shit goes quick. ive been doing my own tires since i started driving and thast how i always did it, only we run the tire over with another truck to pop the bead
yeah, we did a test once. we tried all sorts of flammable aerosols. interestingly, some of them burned too slow and didnt work. i think one of them was brake cleaner. there are two ways i have done it. one where you just throw a match in there from a (sorta) safe distance. the other is where you spray a "fuse" if you will on the ground a few feet from the tire. then just light it with a lighter or whatever else floats your boat.

Po' riggity
11-30-2007, 12:47 PM
I'd pay someone to do it, but thats after having to mount 5 38" SX's on beadlocks myself once for a former boss.. Not a fun job.

crimsen
11-30-2007, 09:35 PM
mounted (4) 44" boggers on rims, and filled to 10 psi, in under 2 hours. i think it was approx 10 mins to get the rubber on the rim, 5 to get it set up for air, and 4 to air it up. add in a little for getting ready for the next one and it was simple.

atblis
12-02-2007, 09:34 AM
Walmart around me charges $3.50 per tire for mounting. Not worth my time for that much.

800MJ
12-02-2007, 09:48 AM
i tried to mount my 235 75 15s again with the rachet strap with no luck at all. i didnt try the fire method cause i didnt want to try it first time on my dd. but i ended up paying someone way to much to mount them.

UCD-bronc2
12-02-2007, 08:25 PM
go to the local high school auto shop and see if someone will do it... works every time for me and they will balance too.:D