9mm semi-automatic handguns that dont suck.

[usmcdoc14]

a co-worker is buying a 9mm ..dont ask..its his choice :laughing: so i am gonna help him out and i dont know dick about the 9's (just the more deadly caliber pistols)

so what mid to full size 9mm handguns dont suck (92F is out right there :flipoff2: ) Pics and links are nice so i can show him the pretty pictures :laughing:


Pimp yo' gun mofo

[Dieselmh]

My CCW is a Glock 26. It doesn't suck...for a 9MM. It's small enough to carry easily, it shoots very well for it's size, and I get to listen to everyone's witty remarks about "shooting tupperware", while I'm outshooting them at the range. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

edit: I'm not putting up a pic because it's a sub-compact, and you asked for mid to fullsize handguns, I'm just throwing Glock out there as a good choice.

[Robb]

http://www.cz-usa.com/01.01.php
http://www.cz-usa.com/01.detail.php?id=29

This is my CZ75B (.40), the 9mm looks just about the same:

http://www.explorerforum.com/data/503/8799CZ75B.jpg

[hammerman94]

My favorite is the Walther P99. Thats what I have and it works great. Have used a lot of Glock 17's that were severly wore out but still shot great. Don't know if they are full or mid size guns though.

[section525]

My CCW is a Glock 26. It doesn't suck...for a 9MM. It's small enough to carry easily, it shoots very well for it's size, and I get to listen to everyone's witty remarks about "shooting tupperware", while I'm outshooting them at the range. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

I agree and carry the same gun. :p BUT, if they want something larger, the Glock 17 would be my choice.

http://pdmall.com/gl/mod17.jpg

I won't shoot anything but tupperware. :flipoff2:

[fullygruntled]

Germans know their 9mmP... H&K or SIG.

http://www.gunsttx.by.ru/HkVP7.jpg

http://www.americanweapons.us/images/Usp9MM.jpg

http://blog5.fc2.com/g/gaga/file/sheriffP226.jpg

http://www.civiliangunner.com/images/P225.jpg

Or, if you mostly like the Beretta, the Taurus PT99 is an improved clone with a less stupid safety lever

http://www.pagunsmith.com/taurus99.gif

[Krylon..]

I really like my brothers S&W 9mm. Belive it is a model 910... Very comfortable and fits my hand nicely...

http://firearms.smith-wesson.com/content/00/01/32/32/75/userimages/104780_item.jpg

[usmcdoc14]

ummm new "guideline" $500ish new or used :rolleyes:

[Robb]

The CZ75B in 9mm would run about $400-$425 new.

[usmcdoc14]

i am also recomending the Bersa thunder 9mm as i have had GREAT love for thier 380
http://www.bersa-llama.com/img/guns/bersa_thunder9_large.gif

[SilverZuk]

I really like the Taurus I had.
It was a PT-908, not sure if they still make them.
It was a very good gun, and the fit and finish was a lot better than colts and smiths.

I handled an Springfield Armory XP Saturday and it felt really nice. I would like to shoot it.

[fullygruntled]

Well, all the firearms I posted can be gotten for $500ish used. We have a SIG P225 (bought $275 used) and had a USP (bought used $500).

The USP is ridiculously simple and accurate (as well as ridiculously chunky for the caliber), although the lack of hi-cap magazines is a bite in the tush.

[Roc Doc]

(Standard handgun thread reply...)

Your friend needs to go to a range with a good selection of rental weapons and try several, and if he's never shot much, then should take a lesson from a qualified rangemaster as well, so that he will know what to look for when trying these various weapons.

My choice is, like others, Glock , Sig, or HK. If money is tight, check out the Rugers as well.

Doc

[usmcdoc14]

(Standard handgun thread reply...)

Your friend needs to go to a range with a good selection of rental weapons and try several, and if he's never shot much, then should take a lesson from a qualified rangemaster as well, so that he will know what to look for when trying these various weapons.

My choice is, like others, Glock , Sig, or HK. If money is tight, check out the Rugers as well.

Doc

i have said this at least 50 times in the last few days :laughing: I have fired every weapon i owned before i owned it but he "wants" a gun and "wants" a 9mm so i will give the info on 9mm that dont suck
















so i can buy it off him when he hates in in 6 months :evil:

[Roc Doc]

I knew this wasn't about you, which is why I said "your friend".

[evilfij]

Glock 19

[smbisig]

Ruger also make real nice, reliable semi's. They are decently priced to.

[DemoMike]

Glock 19

15+1 and it fits in your pocket..

[PTSchram]

I love the SIGs. Probably the best gun I've ever shot, right out of the box.

The one that I actually own and love even more than the SIG is the Browning High-Power. It's not double action, kinda bulky and has a terrible safety, but when you want it to shoot every time, it's there.

(my carry piece is a cheapie Rossi in .38 special though. Safe and small enough to carry in a pocket. If I ever NEED it, I can throw it away and buy another)

PEace,
PT

[LOPPY]

I know it's the POS of the crowd, but I have a Ruger P89 that I drag through the mud, get wet and generally thrash and it's held up super well. Shoots nice and fits me perfect. Good price too.

Luckily, I got it way back when... and bought two spare mags. I have three steel 15 round clips. Did I say that out loud? :laughing:

[bart]

G19 would be my choice.

[85GAJEEPCJ7]

I know it's the POS of the crowd, but I have a Ruger P89 that I drag through the mud, get wet and generally thrash and it's held up super well. Shoots nice and fits me perfect. Good price too.

Luckily, I got it way back when... and bought two spare mags. I have three steel 15 round clips. Did I say that out loud? :laughing:

I like the ruger p89's . I have a P89 DC that I have had for years. Still shoots great and never hangs up.

I also have a 92fs that I love, but it is too big to carry.
Glock 26 is nice, but go ahead and get the 27(40Cal)

My leave in the vehicle weapon is a Baby Eagle 9MM. Shoots awesome, lightweight and midsize.

[fullygruntled]

I'm still voting H&K VP70Z.

18+1, polymer frame, and available in Class 3 select-fire models

[Myanarchy]

Another vote for browning high power or sig 226 :D





I love my Beretta though :flipoff2:

[Roc Doc]

Ruger also make real nice, reliable semi's. They are decently priced to.
Wish I had said that! :rolleyes:

Doc

[Jam Master Jay]

Glock 17 or 19

[mike]

I handled an Springfield Armory XP Saturday and it felt really nice. I would like to shoot it.

The Croats are effective at killing people ;)

http://beer.thisdysfunctional.org/kids/albun08/DSC00087.jpg

[m_miller3980]

My favorite is the Walther P99. Thats what I have and it works great. Have used a lot of Glock 17's that were severly wore out but still shot great. Don't know if they are full or mid size guns though.

Walther also makes the 99 for smith & wesson. Same gun but with S&W logo as well as Walther. I have this in .9mm (impulse buy) and love it. 16+1

http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/store/index.php3?cat=293590&item=831352&sw_activeTab=1

The web site says 10+1 but after the assult weapon ban droped they started putting the 16+1 law enforcement only clips in.

[0ILBURNER]

Another vote for browning high power or sig 226 :D




Here's another vote for the H.P., also like the CZ.

[Weasel]

Sig 229 or 226
HK USP or Compact

Walther start jaming if you don't clean them after 300-400 rounds.

[Tim84K10]

I have a Sig P226 and Glock 19, and I love both of them.

[hammerman94]

Sig 229 or 226
HK USP or Compact

Walther start jaming if you don't clean them after 300-400 rounds.

Mine has never jammed after 5yrs. But I clean my gun every time I am done shooting.

[ChiefSlapaHo]

P94 for my plinker.. picked it up for $200. It's tough when you need cash for your habits :D Picking up a SW Tatical tomorrow evening for $350, both are 9mm. Might be willing to *cough* trade for some things..... :flipoff2:

[ChiefSlapaHo]

The Croats are effective at killing people ;)

http://beer.thisdysfunctional.org/kids/albun08/DSC00087.jpg


I was looking at the Springfields the other day.. I like them, especially in the OD green :cool2:

[usmcdoc14]

P94 for my plinker.. picked it up for $200. It's tough when you need cash for your habits :D Picking up a SW Tatical tomorrow evening for $350, both are 9mm. Might be willing to *cough* trade for some things..... :flipoff2:

dont you need a dana 60 housing/parts/knuckles and shit and some cash thrown at ya :flipoff2: i need a cheaper plinker than my .45 :laughing: and that smith might cut it :evil:

this would be for me. the guy i am looking for can hunt for his own deals as i am doing all his gun research for him :D

[cdogg44]

I bought a NIB H&K USPc 9mm this past April for $599 (check out www.cdnninvestments.com) and it's been absolutely wonderful. No jams, easy to clean, great shooter...

A friend has an XD and it is also a very nice gun. Not quite as refined looking as my stainless USPc, though, IMHO.

Also, I'm a big fan of 9mm because I think it's sufficient for self defense but half the price of .45 when you buy bulk just to go shoot cans.

[muleskinner]

Another vote for the Springfield. I have the tactical in .357 Sig and its been a great gun.

[ChiXJeff]

Whatever fits your buddy's hand best is the right one.

Having said that, I bought a Ruger P89. Yuck. Yeah, it was reliable, but the trigger pull just plain sucked moose piss through a straw. Long, grainy, and inconsistent. I discovered that it's the design, not the piece I had. I sold it and bought a Colt National Match Gold Cup .45 ACP.

[mike]

A friend has an XD and it is also a very nice gun. Not quite as refined looking as my stainless USPc, though, IMHO.
.


I have an XD, and have had a USP (in .45acp). I agree, not as refined looking. But it functions as well. A whole lot less expensive new too.

[fj40john]

glock 19 or springfield XD. both fit all of the above requirements.

[Jason R]

Man I just held a USP 9 Fullsize and a USP 45 fullsize, they hit my hand great! I will probably buy a USP 40F and a USP 45c in a few months here and get my CCW. :D

[Capt. Nemo]

Sig P226

I've shot the Springfield XP, but hated the trigger. I also didn't like the fact that it didn't have a hammer that could be de-cocked (not sure if that's the right term, oh-well...). The Sig's got the thumb de-cocker which I really like.

[Capt. Nemo]

... and get my CCW. :D

:laughing: Good Luck in CA...

[mike]

Sig P226

I've shot the Springfield XP, but hated the trigger. I also didn't like the fact that it didn't have a hammer that could be de-cocked (not sure if that's the right term, oh-well...). The Sig's got the thumb de-cocker which I really like.
Well, you're right. there is no decocker. However, striker fired weapons don't really have a hammer, so....

[Jason R]

:laughing: Good Luck in CA...

It's actually quite easy in Butte County :flipoff2:

[basketcasejeep]

My dad has had a TA90, like the CZ75, for yeaaarrsss. It seems to shoot pretty well, and is cheaper than many of the other guns mentioned(used ;))...

[frostytj]

Mine wasnt under $500, but throw in another vote for a Sig P226. I have never had an issue with mine in the last 4-5 years I have owned it. Fires every time I pull the trigger no matter whether I have cleaned it or not.

[Tim84K10]

Did someone say P226? Here's mine. It's nearly 20 years old and I got it off Gunbroker. It looked like brand new when I got it, with a little bit of cleaning. I've since took the Houge grips off, they were too fat for my hands. It was WELL under $500, even with shipping and transfer fees.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201618&stc=1

Here's my Glock 19. I got it from a guy on Glocktalk for $400. It had night sights already installed, two high capacity magazines, extended slide stop, etc. and had only had one box put through it supposedly. The guy bought it for his wife and it was too fat for her hand. Oh well, my hands are tiny and it fits me fine...I really like it.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201619&stc=1

Since someone mentioned Olive Drab in reference to the Springfield, here's a picture of my Glock 23, the 19's larger caliber brother that shares the same frame.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=201620&stc=1

I have an HK as well but it's a .45, and you asked for baby caliber. :flipoff2:

[Cowboyj]

I have a S&W SW9VE 9mm, cheap and effective -- just make sure to check the sights with a lazer aligner if you go this route...

['71 800B]

Firestar M-43 13 years and still hits what I point it at.


http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8369/firestar95so.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firestar95so.jpg)

[topekachevy]

another vote for the p89. yeah its a little bulky and not a glock, but it is priced very well. and you can fire just about anything through them. the trigger pull is a little to be desired but you can overcome that with practice. all in all a good not great gun. and as for reliability i carry mine when ever i am hunting just in case a coyote happens to cross my path. never had a missfire and even fired it with it full of mud no problems.

[Whiplash]

My vote would be for the Sig 226 or CZ75B.

You can find a good used 9mm for 300-400 at CDNN (http://www.cdnninvestments.com/), they have several differant makes in their catalog. I got my Sig 220 from them and keep having to talk myself out of getting one of their Steyr pistols.

[sothpaw]

Ruger also make real nice, reliable semi's. They are decently priced to.

Yep. Bought my P85 mkII 15 years ago and it is still going strong. Never given me any problem after several thousand rounds going through it. Not as nice as the HK or Sig, but definitely more affordable.

[Tim84K10]

Rugers are bricks. You'd have to have a huge hand to fit a Ruger.

[Jason R]

People say you have to have huge hands and such, which I don't, and I can fit comfortably in almost any pistol.

The USP fits me like a glove, hell The Desert Eagle felt comfortable enough. If I can hold a Desert Eagle just fine what can't I fit into?

Try a USP man, they are addictive and you will want more! :D

[CRAZY MATT]

I like my astra A-100 its small enough to conceal. But for hitting power its better then nothing i guess - Id like to bump up to the .40 cal version of it :D

[orangefj45]

Sig

[Aron82]

It really does depend on what fits your friends hand and points well. I can't stand glocks and the walthers due to this reason. I don't like polymer framed pistols either, don't like grip safties and or magazine safties. I don't want or need a decocker or loaded chamber indicator.
I really like the CZ75B it is a great and reliable peice that fits my hand well.
What Is he getting this peice for? Fullsize pistols don't serve for CCW very well. Most people can convince themselves that they will carry it, but it becomes a hassle and it stays in the vehicle. I didn't get my CZ for CCW and doubt I would ever use it for such. For concealed you are much better off with a S&W J frame or a Kelltec, or other "pocket pistol".
But it really depends on what he wants it for.

[ChiefSlapaHo]

Here ya go Gil.. just picked it up tonight. This thing is sweet. Light weight shoots well. Not too shabby for the price.


S&W SW9V

[usmcdoc14]

Here ya go Gil.. just picked it up tonight. This thing is sweet. Light weight shoots well. Not too shabby for the price.


S&W SW9V


need a dana60 housing/stuff and some cash ? :D

[Cowboyj]

Here ya go Gil.. just picked it up tonight. This thing is sweet. Light weight shoots well. Not too shabby for the price.


S&W SW9V

Nice choice! I have the SW9VE, which seems to be the same, but with a black lower part.

[Bill4rest]

G17 or 19 would be close to his price range. Myself I'll be getting a HK P7 M8 ($1400) :eek: :barf: :eek:

[usmcdoc14]

G17 or 19 would be close to his price range. Myself I'll be getting a HK P7 M8 ($1400) :eek: :barf: :eek:

ya i told him he can get a police trade in for like 300 with night sites.

[resolute6]

Gil,

Glock 19.

And if he's military he can get the military/law enforcement discount. I picked up my Glock 19 at Shooter's Paradise in Woodbridge (with night sights) for about $470, new, with 3 hi-cap magazines, still in the tupperware. Price with normal sights is $393.

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=337881

Dave

[jekbrown]

i own/like a H&K USPf.

j

[Fisheadgib]

I love the SIGs. Probably the best gun I've ever shot, right out of the box.

The one that I actually own and love even more than the SIG is the Browning High-Power. It's not double action, kinda bulky and has a terrible safety, but when you want it to shoot every time, it's there.

PT

I'm glad to see the high power show up. I've shot NRA bullseye and USPSA since about 1987 and although 9mm is not an inherently accurate round, The browning high power is the only 9mm that has ever impressed me with accuracy. (It was an older Belgian made browning.) I've owned and fired more handguns than I could list and the high power is a no brainer if only accuracy is the concern in a 9mm.

[mightymouse_383]

Stop being a pussy and buy an AK-47. take of the stock then it's a pistol.

[flecker]

Nother vote for the CZ... and theres always the High Power.

[ItsaCJ6]

Ok Doc well, I have to say my modifed G23 is the ticket, so a G26 is a good safe bet.

[Serious One]

Remember way back when...oh about 6 months ago I was shooting my buddies semi's and posted about how I didn't know jack-shiat about guns?

I ended up liking his Hi-Power best out of the Glocks, etc...I shot.

I'll put another vote for the Hi-Power in too. Although I have shot several Sig's and liked them a lot too.

http://tawayama.com/gunpics/browningHP2.jpg

:flipoff2:

[usmcdoc14]

Stop being a pussy and buy an AK-47. take of the stock then it's a pistol.

stop be an idiot and making an illegal weapon :p

i guess you have not read many of my posts here have you? link (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327894) :laughing:

I build AK47's, actualy i have 2 of them at my feet right now 90% done. If you want to build an AK pistol build a REAL ak pistol not one with a friggen 13inch barrel.


that and its not a practical weapon. fun? sure as hell !! practical? no fuckin way

[usmcdoc14]

The end result :D

after taking my advice and generaly pissing off the gun shop assholes (hold the weapon,play with it,fuck with EVERYTHING on it, dry fire it a few time and if there is something on it that slightly annoys you at first will piss you off in the long run)

Sorry some gun shops are cool but a lot are dicks who just want to sell to thier friends and take advantage of first time buyers.

He settled on a Glock 22 :laughing:

[Mountain Rubi]

Old school Browning HP is hard to beat.

Brett

[MattyB4x4]

kimber makes very light compact pistols. Have shot one of their 45's with a 3" barrel...great gun. can put the damn thing in your pocket

[cdogg44]

Sorry some gun shops are cool but a lot are dicks who just want to sell to thier friends and take advantage of first time buyers.


I know what you mean. Back in February I was 21 and had plenty of cash I'd saved up to buy my first hangun. I got treated like an I was an idiot, given absolutely outrageous prices, and in turn got fed up with it. Called CDNN, nice guys, ordered my very cheap ($600 NIB) USPc on Thursday afternoon and was shooting it Monday.

It'll be hard to seriously consider buying another gun local. Especially when their USPc (identical in every way) was $720+tax......

Tell your friend to check out www.glocktalk.com

[mightymouse_383]

stop be an idiot and making an illegal weapon :p

i guess you have not read many of my posts here have you? link (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327894) :laughing:

I build AK47's, actualy i have 2 of them at my feet right now 90% done. If you want to build an AK pistol build a REAL ak pistol not one with a friggen 13inch barrel.


that and its not a practical weapon. fun? sure as hell !! practical? no fuckin way
Whoo hoo glad to see someone else one here has decent taste, by the way I missed that thread. :flipoff2:

[MilTroy]

This gun doesn't suck...Well it may suck your innerds out as the bullet passes thru your mellon. :flipoff2:

[hoohaa]

This gun doesn't suck...Well it may suck your innerds out as the bullet passes thru your mellon. :flipoff2:

That looks like fun.

I love my 92f. When I lived in VA I carried it all the time. People say it's too large to carry, but I had no problems with it at all. Sometimes in the shoulder rig, sometimes in the pants.

[tmacie]

Ill give another vote for glock....19 or 17....see wich one fits better. I love my 17....then again its fitted with a bunch of race goodies.


Travis

[Lowrangerider]

I liove my Glock 17 and am very accurate with it.

If he wants something with a lot more potential and he doesnt have little girly hands I would tell him to check out a glock 20 in 10mm... Now there is a killer round. 200gr bullet traveling at ~1500fps!

[usmcdoc14]

you guys do realize the kid already purchaced the gun, got out of the military and is living in like Tn or some shit, right ? :laughing:

[tmacie]

DAMN me for not paying attention to dates......still my statement stands about loveing my 17 with goodies.


Travis

[Jason R]

No HK? :(







:flipoff2: