I went to the local Home Depot yesterday for work and noticed they had the Lincoln Weld-Pac 100 priced at $99. There were three of them there, two were priced and one wasn't. Well today I talked it over with my wife and she let me go get one. When I get there there's only two left, one that had been opened with no price and the one for $99. I grab a decent hood to go with it and head to the cash register where it rang up at $339! The cashier called the manager over and he said he couldn't let me have it at that price. I told him that I thought the law was that you had to sell something at what it was priced at and he said no the Michigan Pricing Code only says that if I'm overcharged that I can come back and get the difference plus up to $5, I said "So if I would have let her charge me the $339 then went right over to customer service they would have refunded me the $240 plus gave me an additional $5 but now that
I've brought it to your attention I can't have it for $99?" and he said yes. Told him that was a crock of shit and walked out, came home and looked the code up and it says,



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PRICING AND ADVERTISING OF CONSUMER ITEMS (EXCERPT)


Act 449 of 1976

445.354 Charging more or less than price indicated; evidence of violation. M.S.A. 19.853(14)
Sec. 4. (1) A person shall not knowingly charge or attempt to charge for a consumer item a retail sale price exceeding the price required to be indicated pursuant to section 3. It shall not be construed to be a violation of this act to charge for a consumer item a total price less than the price required to be indicated pursuant to section 3.

(2) It shall be prima facie evidence of a violation of this section if a price charged or attempted to be charged as a result of electronic identification or calculation by an automatic checkout system exceeds the price required to be indicated pursuant to section 3.


History: 1976, Act 449, Eff. Jan. 1, 1978 ;--Am. 1979, Act 193, Imd. Eff. Dec. 21, 1979 .

Popular Name: Scanner Law

Popular Name: Item Pricing Act

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Went right back and shoved that in his face, he called somone in legal and next thing I know I'm walking out with my welder for $99!:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Let me get this straight...


You were overcharged for a cheap welder, but are happy because you went back and made them sell it to you for the original price you should have paid in the first place?

Are you on crack? :rolleyes:

No. Go to the home depot web site like I just did. It's listed at $339.
Actually the cheapest I found it online was $195 plus shipping.

You missed DRM point it's only worth 99! It's a whimpy little sheet metal mig. Have fun:cool: :flipoff2:

OK, so you got a good deal on a crappy welder.... now go sell it on eBay for $200+ and buy a REAL welder (At a minimum a Hobart Handler 135!)

if your lookin for a 110 volt, dont expect GOOD quality for under $600 u.s. or $900 canadian. you get what you pay for.

Originally posted by DRM
Let me get this straight...


You were overcharged for a cheap welder, but are happy because you went back and made them sell it to you for the original price you should have paid in the first place?

Are you on crack? :rolleyes:

HAHAHA :beer: ! This is why I love this board. Newbies post brimming with enthusiams. You can almost hear the air deflating from their sails. Have fun with the shitty welder, at least you didn't pay $300 for it.

-Steve:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I don't mean to come at you harsh, but I just hate to see someone spend their hard earned cash on a welder that is just not up to much more than sheet metal welding....


Seriously - consider my eBay suggestion ;)

home depot doesn't sell welders...they sell crappy glue guns that spit out cheap flux wire. :D

I didn't want to read the whole thread so I don't get it, I just wanted to say that :D

Also ya have to start somewhere... so have fun w/ your new birdshitomatic :D

Originally posted by Sillyneck
birdshitomatic :D

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

BULLSHIT! I have a lincoln weld pac and I weld 1/4" plate no problem:flipoff2: Just because it isn't a high dollar welder everyone gets all torked that this guy got a good deal on it! How many of you have actually welded with one instead of bashing it because it isn't 220 or it doasn't cost a grand? I will admit outright that it is nowhere near a Miller 220 or any 220 unit, but for what it is, it works good. Newbie bashing=:rainbow:
Later:beer:

Ditto that I have seen some AMAZING welds come from that welder (see Fretwells stuff)

But, ya gotta know how to weld.. For that price you can't go wrong..

Congrats on the welder!

Awww man I was getting excited. If they really had it for sale for $99 I was gonna buy one for my 7 year old cousin and teach him how to make kool looking sparks on metal. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Hey I look at it this way, there isn't much on my Toyota that's any thicker then 1/8" anyway so ot aughta do pretty good. I mean it's not like I'm gonna be welding on a 3/4 ton chevy frame or anything. Anything heavy I gotta do I use my brother in law's 220 gas shielded mig.

The way I look at it I screwed Home Depot outa $240 and got to rub it in the store manager's face so it really wouldn't matter to me if it was this welder or a friggin American Standard toilet. I got to screw them for once!:flipoff2: :D

Ya, that's a good attitude:rolleyes: "I got to screw someone over"! It's cool you got a deal,but damn dude!

i dunno, my lincoln 110 has done me lots of good...... its all in the prep.... but a 220 is the shit :D

Id buy it for $99.. Im always doing sheetmetal repair :D

:rolleyes: you can Always tell when people dont know dick about welding when they start talking about these weldpacs--funny shit. I had one when they first came out a long time ago its really a good machine although if you had to buy ANY 120v machine at full price the Hobart 135 is hands down the winner for value & amperage.

True would be that all machines have limits but WHAT is also a HUGE limiting factor is how much you really dont know about welding , and metalurgy, design,WPS for given whatever.

Anyhow I would take MY welds using NR211-mp on a weldpac ANYDAY over DRMs using SC & hardwire on ANY power source:flipoff2:
weldpro

I should note however that using flux core wire on 3/16 ++ is the better way to accomplish sound welds when using ANY 120v machine. With some of the NEW breed of 120s' ie Miller 135 , Hobart 135, Lincoln sp135 you can use the approprite size hard wire (.030) , and do very well at 3/16 and a bit if your good.

One more note- for all you fawkers who think you kick ass with a wire feed you should realize that this process using hardwire , and especially C25 is soooooooo easy for the novice to make pretty looking but totally shitty welds with LOTS of problems ie cold starts, lack of fusion cause by improper torch angles etc etc
etc.

DRM- so what kind of power source do you have? a 220v?
MM250?Powmig255?XMT inverter or is it a low buck start o the line 220v oh boy what junk! since I got into the five figures in all machines all processes I guess anything less is junk , and should be sold on ebay! Good logic you got there now go sell yours , and buy real machines that still wont make you any better than what you already are.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I guess it just pisses me off that you & others can spit out the shit when you have NO CLUE....just because you guys cant seem to make em work it surely doesn't mean that people who do know WTF they're doing can't. Hopefully this guy will take the time to LEARN what its all about, then he'll be gettin it too.
Another funny thing is where do you get your info on what they can or can not do? The label on the machine? Thats all I can guess cuase there is no facts in your statements. Those RECOMMENDED limits are for manufacturers liability meant for people JUST LIKE YOU. IE dont know WTF they are doing.

I agree if you cannot weld then any welder is not worth a fawk! We have plenty of guys at work that at there best maybe looks like some hubba bubba on some metal! our machines are high dollar welders!
Hey good deal on the welder maybe read a book so you know how to hold your gun and how to tell if you have any penetration and prep works is critical!!!

Were Not worthy, (in best Wayne and Garth voice) Dam Weldpro you make it seem like your the only one that knows how to weld.:D

It's not rocket science,get a decent machine,practice in the process you use most and you can get pretty good at it.

I'm certainly NOT talkin to you jettech you're a smart MoFo! , and on this board there are many very skilled & accomplished welders. It just seems that most of them stay away from responding to these 120v machine posts.

As for the most stupid comment I have EVER seen on this board
"Pre-heat it till its red hot then weld it" so much for interpass temp guess rules dont apply to everyone. The reason I mention that is it was made by one of the above people who called the WP100 junk (and it was not DRM).

Another tid bit- Look at any of the machines By Miller/Hobart/Lincoln in the 120v class and I MEAN ALL of them, and you will note something interesting- the input amps all are the same ,the duty cycles are the same , and @same amps, and the Max open current voltage yup you guessed it the same. HHmmmmmmm................

I'm not saying the WP is the greatest machine but more defending his purchase of a well made , and highly capable machine. Which also carries a very good warantee.

All 120v machines have low duty cycles but then again so do entry level 220v machines. I can just picture one of the above putting the smack down on this guys 120v because they got themselves a cheap ass 220 who hoo BFD.
All machines made by Red White or Blue are very good , and unless you use the piss out of it duty cycle isn't your biggest concern.

Yeah I'm not saying I know my shit like you,but every time I put another 10 lb roll in the Miller I feel like i'm getting a little better:)



Rob

I'm with Weldpro on this one...I've been using mine for 4 years now with no gas....sometimes the welds aren't the prettiest....but I have never broke one - I have torn the metal, but never broke a weld...just make sure you clean/grind/prep the surfaces good and you should be fine...I would recommend the gas kit also - but I've been trying to get one for 4 years now and can't seem to find the money when I find it on sale;)


:usa:

Originally posted by desertCJ
Ya, that's a good attitude:rolleyes: "I got to screw someone over"! It's cool you got a deal,but damn dude!

I'd have to agree :rolleyes:

I weld all day long 6 days a week for my job. I, too, have heard a lot of very interesting "tips" on how to be a better welder. The one thing that I have noticed and learned is that you never know how to weld. The only ones handing out advice are the rookies. The old timers have nothing to say. Their only responce is "Hell, I just learned something new today. Who am I to tell you how to do it?" Jettech made a very good point. Everytime you feed in a new spool, you should feel like a brand new student. The day you think you have learned it all, you should find a new line of work because it means you are no longer questioning your skill.
I also strongly feel that those of us with huge welders don't know how to weld. It's the guy with the little 110 welder who's making it work by patience, prep and practice that will become the better welder.

posted by weldpro..
.As for the most stupid comment I have EVER seen on this board
"Pre-heat it till its red hot then weld it" so much for interpass temp guess rules dont apply to everyone. The reason I mention that is it was made by one of the above people who called the WP100 junk (and it was not DRM).

i had stated that once.......... then you politely informed me that it was not a good idea.... but i didnt call any of the welders junk... :D must be someone else your talkin bout... i am no means a professional welder......... and i take advise from people who i believe know what they talk bout... weldpro... i dont pre heat no more.... but these guys slamming the 110 box's cracks me up... i have done quite a bit of welding with a little lincoln, and they have held up without incident... my "unprofessional" advice is if you gonna use one... prep prep prep, and take your time... it will work

Originally posted by desertCJ
Ya, that's a good attitude:rolleyes: "I got to screw someone over"! It's cool you got a deal,but damn dude!
Just a couple points...The buyer did not make the pricing mistake, he only used the current law to his advantage.
Those laws are in place because retailers were screwing people so bad the the legislature had to get off their asses and do something about it.
Don't cry for the home depots or walmarts of this world, they have put thousands of small businesses out of business by screwing them. They will corner the supplier markets by telling suppliers "if you want to sell to us, you can no longer sell to them".

Well here I am just a newbie in the field of welding. I never took a class on it, but learned from a friend who worked as a professional welder for 5 years and patiently taught me to weld. I have used my little hobart 110 machine on everything from my crappy toy sheet metal to 3/8 thick plate and I have all the confidence in the world that what I have welded is sound, won't break, crack, or fall off at the flick of finger. I don't know much about the weldpack 100 but I researched 110 machines when making my choice on my hobart for the ability and price issues and I call B.S. on anyone who says you can't weld using these little guys. I am thankful for guys like weldpro who have the smarts to back up what they say, and lend a hand in advice when it comes to welding. But perhaps I and others like me carry no less of weight when I have actually used several 110 machines and they DO work when you know what you are doing and how to use them. While I'll admit I'd love to have one of those high dollar machines, I'm just a poor starving student who has to make my 110 hobart work, and I think I have done it. So practice, practice, practice with that weldpac 100 and let your work rub the ignorance of your accusers in their face! Welding is a learning process that never ends

Originally posted by Yellowsub1962
I would recommend the gas kit also - but I've been trying to get one for 4 years now and can't seem to find the money when I find it on sale;)


:usa:

They're got the Lincoln kit there for $79 on clearance. I would have picked one up but the price of a bottle is a little out of reach right now, that and I think I can get get a lot better price on a regulator and make one up myself.

Just chimin' in with another ME TOO on nearly everything Weldpro said. I BUILT the entire (allmost) body of my truck from the firewall back with a cheap 110 V MIG and flux wire. Flux seamed like a good idea as this took place outside in a field and wind seams to negate shielding gas :D
Body is 14 Ga. and 3/32nds ... I have welded 1/4 inch with this welder (3 pass) and the welds are suficient.
This welder now gathers dust in a corner as 220 V Hobart and Miller TIG/ Stick as well as a OLD (size of a Sami) Stick machines get all the use.
I have Taught welding and I'm no slacker here...
The machine mentioned just requires patiance as you wait for the duty cycle to come back "on-line".

Weld to your hearts content...
You will eventially step up to a bigger and better machine...

MIGs are dangerous (as Weldpro said) cuz they allow you to spank out a great LOOKING weld that can be broken by hand;)

I've seen MANY students do this and they claim they can weld.

Friends of mine do all the non-crutial welding on thier rigs then have me weld the big stuff:D

Have fun... Be smart...


Cory

Originally posted by Lord Baskerville
MIGs are dangerous (as Weldpro said) cuz they allow you to spank out a great LOOKING weld that can be broken by hand;)

I've seen MANY students do this and they claim they can weld.
When I went through my Apprenticeship both in the field and in the shop this point was always stressed. You are taught SMAW first, and once you have shown sufficient skill you go on to FCAW/GMAW because it is a more difficult process to get proper penetration/fusion in. I have three machines that I use – Miller PipePro 304 on the truck, and at home an Esab Multipro 260 and you guessed it – a Lincoln WeldPak 100. The Lincoln gets the most use at home for welding because of its portability, and if you know it’s limitations as well as your own it is a great welder. ForestCam – for $99.00 you got a good machine to learn on. Just be very careful about your limitations as well as the machines. If you are going to do any critical welds, try welding up a coupon out of the same material first and test your weld in a fixture (home method – bench vise and a big crescent wrench) to make sure that you’re welding is correct. I believe that learning on one of these machines will make you much more aware of proper fit up/technique/procedures because the machine is not capable of hiding your mistakes like bigger machines are. I am teaching my niece how to weld now, and she is learning SMAW before she tries GMAW.

I own a Lincoln Weldpak, and coverted it to gas.

It is a fine welder, if you take your time to learn WTF you are doing...
Using it with flux core is fine, although a lil messy, no big deal though.

Using the gas makes great welds, on thinnner stock.

I've welded non-critical stuff like tire carriers, and bumpers with no problems so far.

Welding crucial stuff, I leave to the pros.

I hardly ever come close to the duty rating...I'm not that good yet, I take my time.

It is definitely all about prep with these 110v machines...not like a big stick where you can get the right rods, and just buzz right through the crap.

Once I feel competent with the MIG, I'm looking at getting a Hobart StickMate, or the like...and also I am trying to find the time to take some classes...thye are hard to find around here...and I think I missed the latest one, at a local tech college.

Those of you bashing the 110 boxes either havent used them for what they are intended for, did $hitty prep, or both, or are just regurgitating what you have been told by supposed "experts".

They are what they are...cheap little welders...nothing more.
They work fine for th ework they were intended for.

Want to do big boy weldin' get a big boy welder, but you still need to know how to use it. :flipoff2:

MJ
:D

What's going on here?:D Welding?

JasonMT- another of the highly skilled BB members , and thanks for adding your thoughts.

Ah just sent this , and who do I see- Choke- another respected person that should have some comments!

Badassjeepguy- It wasn't you who said that you may of siad preheat- which is actually good (again-if you know what you are doing) but the person who made the F-up said to do it RED HOT! That was REALLY REALLY bad advise- but again it was not your comment:D

To the guy who bought the WP- dont worry about buying the gas set up because you are better off with the flux core wire for now.
You also said you could get the reg & stuff cheaper well the only reason I totally doubt this is becuase you DO NOT have a gas solenoid valve installed in the machine, and that part alone would cost $40-50 maybe more if it were purchased seperately.
If you really want gas you would be better off selling the machine, and upgrading to one that has more amps, and comes with all the frills.
I am a beliver in the 120 machines BUT for rookies, and even the well seasoned don't overlook their potential when using flux core- it is the main reason these machines can make good welds in thicker materials.
weldpro

Badassjeepguy- I even searched , and found the "COMMENT" it really was not you in fact the comment also included the following really stupid advise " Looks like your useing a WP 100 volts max using flux core at about 40% wire feed speed -the supid part) to make sure you get proper penetration you need to turn down the wire speed>????????????????? WHAT WFS in conjuction with Voltage settings make your amperage so we sure would'nt want to turn down the amps to GET MORE PENETRATION. Oh thats really not funny.
Anyways I searched it and its not you but thats pretty cool that you would admit to something you didn't do- you are trustworthy:D HAHAHA
weldpro

Originally posted by ForestCam

The way I look at it I screwed Home Depot outa $240 and got to rub it in the store manager's face so it really wouldn't matter to me if it was this welder or a friggin American Standard toilet. I got to screw them for once!:flipoff2: :D

Way to go bud! You stole money the legal way! how proud you must be. :rolleyes: But guess who gets to make up the differences? You guessed it your fellow patrons as you strut through the store. Also If I worked there I promise you wouldnt know customer service if it ran you over w/ a forklift. I work in hardware retail and I get this stuff at wholesale But whoopdeefawkindoo :rolleyes: There isnt really any markup at all on any of this stuff. Welding stores keep their doors open on disposables such as gas and wire. average home rod burners arent the ones who do it either. They look to make money off the sales of a couple of thousand pounds of wire at a time to big commercial accounts. Again I commend you on stealing and making someone's day worse than it was before and possibly puttin gtheir job in jeopardy. Aside from all the comments on what welder can do what its just like anything else in the world. The right tools make a job easier. But its just as much operator as it is the tool. Just my 2 cents... :mad3:

Where are we, China?? This is America, and he's not nickle and diming a mom-and-pop store. These huge chains are the ones causing hard working people to lost their jobs and substituting mass consumption for customer service. :flipoff: Home Depot, don't shed a tear for them. he didn't "steal" he just used a law to his advantage.

-Steve


Originally posted by scouter77


Way to go bud! You stole money the legal way! how proud you must be. :rolleyes: But guess who gets to make up the differences? You guessed it your fellow patrons as you strut through the store. Also If I worked there I promise you wouldnt know customer service if it ran you over w/ a forklift. I work in hardware retail and I get this stuff at wholesale But whoopdeefawkindoo :rolleyes: There isnt really any markup at all on any of this stuff. Welding stores keep their doors open on disposables such as gas and wire. average home rod burners arent the ones who do it either. They look to make money off the sales of a couple of thousand pounds of wire at a time to big commercial accounts. Again I commend you on stealing and making someone's day worse than it was before and possibly puttin gtheir job in jeopardy. Aside from all the comments on what welder can do what its just like anything else in the world. The right tools make a job easier. But its just as much operator as it is the tool. Just my 2 cents... :mad3: :flipoff:

What the fawk ever! Stealing is stealing be it from Uncle sam or your mom (nothing personal against your mother BTW) or some communist nation or some capitalist corporation. What goes around comes around be it in pricing to cover their losses or he pays $30 instead of .30 the next trip. I just think it sucks... ;) I personally have no loss here I was just stating my opinion :flipoff2:

WOW, this is getting into an agrument on stealing, which it isn't. It is a truth in advertising thing! If the store has an idiot that miss lables the price of something, how is that my fault/problem? Hell, if I saw a deal like this, I would of had about 3 friends there to buy one along side of me! Personally, the idiot that made the error should be the one responcible for the error!

As far as my experance with 110V welders, they are nice little cheap units for those of us who don't weld day in and day out. They are a little tempermental, some days I look like and expert, others, I shouldn't even hold the gun!

Yea, I hear that. I used to own a little 110 flux core welder. It wasn't the best, but it served its purpose. I've got a Handler 175, and I'm loving 220...HUGE difference. However, 110v units aren't that bad. If you don't have the means to go 220, then the HH135, MM135, or SP135 are all awesome machines. I've never used a Weldpac 100, but I will chime for the 110s in general. Lots of guys are using them no problem, and so long as you know what you are doing, they work pretty well. I've seen guys that couldn't run a bead on a high buck miller to save their life, and then other folks using little 110s who could run overhead without even looking. Operator is key IMHO, but there is a point where you reach the limit of your machine.

Stealing may be stealing but this sure as hell wasn't. That law was put into place because too many stores were out and out stealing from their customers by advertizing one price but never changing the price in the computer. Look at the date that law was enacted 1976!
Also you may not watch 20/20 or Dateline but they just LOVE to target Michigan stores for scanner overcharges. Retailers only care if they get caught, they figure by the time a persong gets home and checks their reciept and finds out that they got charged .59 for a can of beans insted of the advertized price of .49 it'll be too much trouble to come back for a measly .10 but that .10 can turn into big bucks if they collect it from a few thousand people a day for a week and that's just one store.
Also even if you notice and complain that doesn't mean they fix the problem.
A local grocery store was having a sale on tuna for .99 a can and my wife picked up some and was charged $1.29 which she noticed as she went though the reciept while I loaded the groceries in the car. She went right back in, complained and got her .30per can plus the $5. Later that week, sale still going on, she picked up some more tuna and it was STILL ringing up at $1.29! So who was stealing from who here?:flipoff2:

Did someone say TUNA!:D

I to hate these big stores. But you must have looked stupid walking in there with A book and walking out with A welder.

This thread is funny :p

WeldPro - way to read a whole lot into what I wrote :laughing:

Just answer me this - The Hobart 135 is, or is not a better welder than the welder he purchased?

Originally posted by weldpro
Anyhow I would take MY welds using NR211-mp on a weldpac ANYDAY over DRMs using SC & hardwire on ANY power source:flipoff2:
weldpro

Is this supposed to bother me? :laughing:

So you can weld better than me... woo-hoo.... want a cookie?


Does your arm hurt patting yourself on the back like that? ;)

Oh yea I almost forgot, the cashier was this really cute blonde and we got to talking while we waited for the manager. She asked if I had any tattoos and I said no. She said she just got one and looked from side to side and pulled up her shirt. I bent in closer to see the Eastwing claw hammer and the 16D's through her nice red nips. As a favor, I turned around and showed her my ass..........

Lighten up guys, it's just a welder and I'm happy so........ :D

Uhhh...that sounds alot like a story I just herd in chit chat:rolleyes: :flipoff2:

drm funny YEAH FUNNY THAT YOUR DISHING OUT SHIT about stuff you dont know about
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
FIGURES HOWEVER

pat myself on the back:D hell yes why not

wheres your facts to tell us how much this machines sucks it's what you wrote what the fuck else could I read into that (you were using your fingers to write that.

IS the HH 135 better well its a damn good machine thats for sure. BUT why dont you tell me why its so much better? I've owned one of those too- did you miss what I wrote about MAX OCV, amps @ rated cycle etc what does that tell you probably nothing.
HAHAHAHAHHAHA your lame.

Face it man you dont know WTF your talking about and you got checked , and I'm not the only one who would say so eigther.

You always seem to escape the fact your wrong when your wrong, and to cover you say shit just like you wrote.

Oh well I win you lose maybe next time you'll use your head before typing I doubt it though.

Originally posted by weldpro
Badassjeepguy- I even searched , and found the "COMMENT" it really was not you in fact the comment also included the following really stupid advise " Looks like your useing a WP 100 volts max using flux core at about 40% wire feed speed -the supid part) to make sure you get proper penetration you need to turn down the wire speed>????????????????? WHAT WFS in conjuction with Voltage settings make your amperage so we sure would'nt want to turn down the amps to GET MORE PENETRATION. Oh thats really not funny.
Anyways I searched it and its not you but thats pretty cool that you would admit to something you didn't do- you are trustworthy:D HAHAHA
weldpro


lol, well i remembered me stating ive preheated before but not to molten friggin red... :D and i have never went gas because from the research ive seen, flux can get deeper welds..... lol i have nothing to hide, and if i am wrong i can admit to it.... its all about learning.............. :D

Finally a good thread:
I spend thousands at HomeDepot and I get no customer service at all. If you go there and need help, you are at the wrong store. I have asked for items to be lowered from their racks, only to be brushed off. I have been over charged for 2by4's by about $.15 each, not much, but they sell a lot every day. So, it OK for the big store to "steal" a little from all of us. Forrest got a good deal, because the big stores hire poeple that are not qualified to do their jobs. Just walk in the front door, and look at the pictures of the employees and the years in their fields. Do you ask yourself, "Why they are not working in that field anymore?" I guess homeDepot is a more stable paycheck and you can just stay in a trance like state for 8 hours :smokin:. The bad thing is that I wish I owned Stock in HomeDepot.
Welders:
I have used and abused mine(drove over it with a john deere tractor) and it still serves me perfectly. For a small welder it is the handiest one possible. I can take it anywhere, plug it in and go to work. Try taking your 220v to fix something, I know that almost everywhere there is a 110v outlet. Welding is an art and science, just like the "quack" doctors, you are just practicing.
I trust my welds made with the weldpac, I have seen factory welded cross-members rip off. Does this mean jeeps are crap? Just because you can weld pretty, doesn't mean your engineering is correct. You have to use the machine for what it is intended for. I have gone beyond that, I've made $$$ building bumpers, horse saddle racks, horse pens, tractions bars, rock sliders and fixed all kinds of thing. It's paid for itself, just go to have something stupid welded, and you will be charged $$$.
If you have the time and patience to practice using it, it will be well worth what you paid for it. Plus, once your friends find out that you have it, they will want you to fix their stuff.
Just my $.02, not to offend the HomeDepot Employee, just my experience at 5 different stores in different states; to offend the anti-weldpac writers.
Scott

the one on the right is my new up grade it fawkin rips ...I LIKE IT I LIKE IT ALOT:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

OH YEAH I GOT A SPOOL GUN TO :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D

SORRY BAD PIC

Weldpro I couldnt agree with you more, I have burned many a rod in my 34 years on this earth not as much as some but alot more than most guys. Around 60 lbs last week. All 5P+ and 7010 1104 code this week that is. I am very thankful to be able to say that I had been welding long enough to have already passed a 100% X-ray 2" .750 wall dissimilar metal (Inconel) tig root/smaw out in a 6G position, before I had ever picked up a mig gun. Plus several other tests. On my rig truck I have a Lincoln SA250 Diesel as you can see in the enclosed pic, on the right hand side you will also notice one of the machines that I have in the shop. A 110V Lincoln SP125 that has burned about 100 lbs of hard wire in the last year. And maybe 20 lbs of fluxcore. And except for when the pinch rollers wear out Has performed flawlessly. I think that everybody ought to have to learn how to at least burn a 6011 before they are allowed to run a mig rig. An old carpenter buddy of mine made this statement after the purchase of his new mig machine. "Hell, there aint nuthin to that "welding", if you can run a caulking gun you can weld". Scary huh?
And dont sweat it ForrestCam when these guys flame you for buying a weldpac. Hell some of the prettiest & well penetrated mig welds that I have ever seen made were made by Pillard on a Wal-Mart Campbell Hausfeld with flux core wire. I know alot of Pipeliners that would die for a cap bead that looked that good. Looked like a stack of dominoed dimes and as we Texas welders would say, "Slicker than a cats ass on a linoleum floor".

Skeetshooter- I like the rig - yours I'm guessing!? If you do general fab & repair you should look up www.hlchapman.com they are down there in Leander Texas. I made a bunch of Money out of them late last year. I appreciate your comments , and your opinions , and I couldn't agree more;)

Garbage man- Right on that was the best new deal on a machine package I have ever seen- more people here @ PBB should have gotten in on that one! I bet it took awhile to get since alot of folks decided to take Miller up on they're "FREE STUFF" !!!

weldpro

Yea Weldpro that's my rig and That's mainly what I do general Fab work and alot of repair working on other peoples Junk. I also got in too late on the Miller free stuff deal or so I thought. I went down to one of the local welding supply places last week and they had the millermatic 210 with the spool gun sittin there. I asked the Lady who works there (who if she didnt look like Edith Bunker I could fall in love with,) that chick can recite duty cycles max output amps, etc. off the top of her head. Anyway she said no that it was over. Then she said that she could still give me the combo price since she still had the machine in stock since the end of the promo and she could backdate the sales slip so it said dec. 30 anyway hows that for small buisness glad to get my business. Needless to say I called the credit union and got the money on the way that day. So by the end of the week I too will be the proud owner of a millermatic 210 and spool gun while I was at it I borrowed 2000 to buy a Plaz so which one should I buy? I like the thermal Dynamics Pakmaster 75 but I will have to dig up another grand for that one

Heres A pic of my rig right ater I painted it, pulled it out of the shop and hadn't even got a chance to set the machine and bottles on it yet. And for the most part was welded with my 110V mig machine.

Originally posted by TEAM X-TREME
I to hate these big stores. But you must have looked stupid walking in there with A book and walking out with A welder.

Now that is some funny sh*t!




I thought about this thread for a while. Not about the technical welding part, but about the moral aspect.

At this stage in my life, I like" do unto others..."
Clearly the price tag was mismarked, as the scan showed, probably by some overworked dude making minimum.
It wasn't an advertised sale price. It was just a mistake.

If when you paid for the welder and the clerk, by mistake, gave you back too much money ( say $20 and you knew it), would you keep it?

It's not important if it's the kid selling lemonade on the street corner or if it's Home Depot.

It's about Integrity.

The funny thing is that when I was younger, I might have done the same thing, if I was smart enough to produce all the legal stuff!

Thats the perfect rig for mobile. I guess your're not looking to run the plasma in the feild I'm only guessing cause the SA250 doesn't have the aux power to handle it right?! Thats awesome that the supplier would date you back to last year (hope you have not filed your 1040sched C yet(writeoff all))
For a thousand machine I say Lincoln PC 25, Miller spectrum 375, eq Hypertherm. I currently have a PC 55, and I like it before that a had a PC 25 I beat to hell (used in the feild). I guess the deciding factor is how often do you work with thick NON-ferrous materials- the reason I ask is if 95% of your work is steel then having a 25-30amp plasma is really not a bad deal (istill belive that for thick steel OXY/ACE is still the way to go why- smaller kerf excellent cut quality still very economical. It's the thin ferrous that makes you want the plasma 1/4 & below. One really cool factor is plasma gouging - it brings CAC like ability to light fabrication operations simply cuts repair or dome work time in half.
One more note is using a plasma in the feild kind of sucks here you got this really expensive inverter sitting in the mud , with all the associated cables etc. I love my machines , and I hate em getting all thrashed so this bothered me abit.
PM me if I can help you with any more specific questions on the plasmas.
weldpro

WeldPro - first off, I misunderstood his first post. If you go back & READ, you will see I thought he bought one of those cheap $99 welders and got overcharged for it. My mistake - sorry :rolleyes:

But please tell me just what else I said that was incorrect?

IS, or is it NOT true that the Hobart Handler 135 is a better welder as I suggested? You seem to keep skirting that question and not directly answering it. If it is not - then I stand corrected....


Other than me misunderstanding the original post, and then stating that the Hobart 135 was a better choice for him - that is all I said.

Try not to lump my comments with some of the others here... just makes you look like you aren't with the program ;) :p

BTW - law or not, you stole that welder by paying less than you were supposed to.


Also, those laws were enacted because some places would price items low to get people in the door, then tack on all other kinds of costs and fees once they got there to buy it. Those laws were NOT meant to help people take advantages of mis-labeled items.

well i guess welding and welders is a hot topic :D



oh ya weld pac 100's suck :flipoff2:

Originally posted by skeetshooter
Heres A pic of my rig right ater I painted it, pulled it out of the shop and hadn't even got a chance to set the machine and bottles on it yet. And for the most part was welded with my 110V mig machine.


hey if you throw a nice industrial weld pac 100 on the back of that truck you would look just like one of those peofisional field welders :D

Well, I wanna piss some people off so...

Weldpro... I agree with you that DRM was raggin on the guy and that maybe with your expertise you can refute the fact that his welder is a piece of shit. HOWEVER...I am a firm believer that you should get the right tool for the job. SO...is what DRM suggested to be better better?

ALSO...arguing about this much welding detail for light trucks is fawkin STUPID!!! WHO GIVES A SHIT!!! I can weld the shittiest lookin welds under poor conditions, but my welds never break...

Its kinda like saying that you need to have a masters degree in rubber ulgy to groove a fuckin pair of tires!!!! If it works, who gives a shit!

I know you and others are all into welding, and I know that it is importnant ot ya'll and appreciate your advice but dont rag on someone cause they dont whack to welding wire... As far as THIS SITE is concerned, Im sure DRM gets along fine with his welding...

SECONDLY>>>> TO anyone who thinks that this dude ripped someone off, I call bullshit. I believe it was Home Depots fault and they should take the loss on this one. I dont think they shead a tear for any of the small hardware stores that they shut down every day all over america. All the lives ruined and all the great second and third generation hardware stores! Fawk that. Their mistake, they deserve to pay.

Originally posted by camo



hey if you throw a nice industrial weld pac 100 on the back of that truck you would look just like one of those peofisional field welders :D

He's trading that 250 for a Schumaker AC90 and a 300watt power inverter, since his rig truck is parked in front of my house right now completely unattended he might find several *swaps* like that.:flipoff2:

That's what happens when you sleep to 8:00 and don't get to work on time, come on skeet, its time to turn this old barn into a state of the art 4wheel drive shop.

He's a welder, but today it is good old manual labor setting forms for the new floor.

WeldPro - I really need your answer!

I may just have to sell my crappy (paid $300 for it, guy only used it once) Hobart Handler 135 and get me a Weld-Pac 100! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DRM
WeldPro - I really need your answer!

I may just have to sell my crappy (paid $300 for it, guy only used it once) Hobart Handler 135 and get me a Weld-Pac 100! :rolleyes:

I'll give ya $50 cash and pay for shipping. Hate to see ya hold on to such a POS, please let me help you out here :flipoff2:

Guys that are hacking on a welder, probably can't weld for shit.

I use my weldpack all the time, but I welded up my frame with a Miller CP-302....if I didn't know how to weld my welds would suck just as bad with a few thousand dollar welder, as they would with a $300 welder.

Originally posted by DRM
BTW - law or not, you stole that welder by paying less than you were supposed to.


You didn't steal it,Home Depot made a mistake,that's their problem not yours.If He had paid MORE than what it was retailing for due to a employe pricing mistake,do you think HD would have tried to refund his overpayment?

In autobody repair training, I had used the Miller and the Hobart, And they worked. They did not handle the abuse that they received, not being the faults of the machines. But once out I used a lincoln(not w/p but I dont remember the #). I liked the varible tuning of the speed and heat compared to the set detents on the other brands. I purchased A Lincoln sp125 and I have had nothing but good results from the machine. I have built numerous items since I bought my jeep, but I had also built a utilty trailer 6 years ago 5x10 and I have hualed a lot heavy stuff and it still holding up just fine. I have trusted my welds, but I will not weld any safety items like cages, for someone else. just my .02
Tim

I guess it just pisses me off that you & others can spit out the shit when you have NO CLUE....just because you guys cant seem to make em work it surely doesn't mean that people who do know WTF they're doing can't.

I am a machinist, not a welder. I have seen some welds made by "good" welders that would never make it out of any job shop I know of. When I need something welded that needs to be done right I swallow my pride and ask the best welder available to help me out. Better machines don't make better welds, better welders make better welds.

Originally posted by Lame
Guys that are hacking on a welder, probably can't weld for shit.

I use my weldpack all the time, but I welded up my frame with a Miller CP-302....if I didn't know how to weld my welds would suck just as bad with a few thousand dollar welder, as they would with a $300 welder.

Bingo, but damn its nice having two big 220 machines. :D

Camo- cant even think of something smart ass to say to you too busy dealing with drm.

drm- you still missed it again use your head man- I think your a dork no matter what BUT what I said was you tell me why it is not great (wp100) . I'm just guessing that you could not tell me about the differences between the transformers.
It's the obvious things that make the Hobart a good value (built in gas solenoid,really nice miller M10 gun) But back to what I have already wrote, and I'm giving you way to many clues already. I do know you dont know at this point so its moot but I'll say it again.
All of these machines HAVE THE SAME MAXIMUM OPEN CURRENT VOLTAGE POTENTIAL, and are rated 20% @ the same amperage, and another biggie THE INPUT (wall side) AMPERAGE IS EXACTLY THE SAME ALSO. FUCK if this passes you by one more time then dont expect me to answer you.
Is the HH a better machine does better to you mean ultimate possible amperage? If it does then once a fucking again read the above! aaaaaaaargggg....... MAX OCV ,input amps, etc. duh you moron.

My answer to any of the 120's would be they are all good machines any of them will do similar work- with the exception that if you want to run gas you would be better off buying any of them that come from the factory with a gas solnoid already installed especially the Hobart since it's dirt cheap.
If you want the absolute best in class machine buy the Miller but the only reason its better than the others is that the drive roll system is very similar to the MM250 , and if you change between hard wires , and cored wires often you would thank yourself because the hobart drive roll system sucks.

drm
:rolleyes:
too bad you cant add some substance here instead of trying only to mock me.
Anybody else like to see people like drm keep giving their most excellent welding advise? If you do then well I'll keep my hole shut- no problem. I would not have even responded to this post except I read all the bashing on the wp , and I was inspired to stick up for it plus I really care that people on here were not being misinformed which is also agian why I responded to this.
It seems as though people like drm & others can , and do give out some of the dumbest comments about shit they dont know about , and nobody checks em. Welding isn't rocket science like what jettech said but it can be critical , and everybody here has some vested interest in the fact that people have the correct information about anything to do with this subject.

drm will come back to write I did not give any advice but if you told someone "sell it , and at the min get an hh135" that is advise coming from your mouth.

weldpro

Originally posted by Magoo
I guess it just pisses me off that you & others can spit out the shit when you have NO CLUE....just because you guys cant seem to make em work it surely doesn't mean that people who do know WTF they're doing can't.

I am a machinist, not a welder. I have seen some welds made by "good" welders that would never make it out of any job shop I know of. When I need something welded that needs to be done right I swallow my pride and ask the best welder available to help me out. Better machines don't make better welds, better welders make better welds.

Who is this directed towards?

And if directed at me, then are you assuming the guy who bought the welder in question is one of the people who is able to take a cheap welder and make superior welds? Seems like quite an assumption on your part ;)

BTW - here is where you are supposed to challenge me weldpro style... by sayin' you will take your machining with a chisel and hammer to my best machining with the highest state of the art tooling and equipment :laughing:

Weldpro - I spend some time searching for specs on the Weld-Pac 100, but could not find it ANAYWHERE... not ont he Lincoln site either.
So if you want me to compare specs, by all means I will be more than happy to once I find the specs on that welder. Show me a link to the info - I would love to see it - and eat my words if it comes to that.


But you STILL skirted the question.. which is pretty funny. On one hand you say the Hobart 135 is better because of some added features, then you say they are all rated the same internally.

Well buddy, according to YOUR own words - that STILL means the Hobart 135 is a BETTER WELDER :laughing:

Again, what exactly did I say that was incorrect? You just got shot down on that one... and I am more than happy to admit if something else I said was incorrect - all you have to do is point it out in plain english ;)

Once again no REAL substance from drm.:rolleyes: does'nt surprise me.
that was for the first comment to the machinist

Originally posted by weldpro
Once again no REAL substance from drm.:rolleyes: does'nt surprise me.

Jeezzzz :rolleyes:


What "substance" are you looking for? :laughing:


Am I supposed to give the guy technical welding advice? Did I ever offer to do so? Have I ever claimed to be some welding expert? No, No, NO! :rolleyes:

And who the hell said I had to add some technical welding info to be able to post here? I must have missed that rule change :laughing:


I'll lay it out real simple for you since you seem to be too dense to get it.

1. I said he bought a "cheap welder" - is this incorrect?
2. I said he would be better off with a Hobart Handler 135 - is this incorrect?


There it is - the only "advice" I have given in this thread... so either you show those statements to be wrong (and you maybe able to - and more power to you), or stop being a :crybaby2: , ok? :rolleyes:

I am not saying the HH is better but for $100+ you get a regulator & gas solenieod .

again so you can think abit
I am not saying its hh is better but for $100+ you get a regulator & gas solenoid.


Once again either machine will work but for more fucking money you can be able to run gas out of the box BUT I personally think that you and alot of others should ONLY run flux core until you know the ins & outs of hardwire.

Originally posted by DRM
Weldpro - I spend some time searching for specs on the Weld-Pac 100, but could not find it ANAYWHERE... not ont he Lincoln site either.


I did the same, I guess there not to proud of the little unit!

Originally posted by weldpro
I am not saying the HH is better but for $100+ you get a regulator & gas solenieod .

again so you can think abit
I am not saying its hh is better but for $100+ you get a regulator & gas solenoid.


Fair enough answer.


Once again either machine will work but for more fucking money you can be able to run gas out of the box BUT I personally think that you and alot of others should ONLY run flux core until you know the ins & outs of hardwire.

Thanks for the advice :)

OK ;)
weldpro

Originally posted by weldpro
OK ;)
weldpro


Should we hug and make up now? :p


BTW - I am gonna use gas shielding on my Handler 135 just in spite of your advice :p:p:p:p:p


May all my crappy welds hold to infinity and beyond :D:D:D:D

I would imagine that given you have been here long enough that YOU should know quite abit about the "not to do's" associated with MIG that you would be ok. I would however urge you to mock up some coupons , and test them in a press to make sure your welds are good ( its important that you make weld the coupons in the position that you will be welding them though).

Hug & makeup - funny I've never had someone piss me off this much on this board before- I'm glad you stopped it- cuase I dont think I could of. I was gettin too mad. The reason is that this subject is to important (not the machine but the welding aspect)
Oh well another day at the PBB!
weldpro

Well I like both kinds for what they work best at. I use a 110 lincoln flux core when doing my thin stuff and use my Hobart 250 beta mig with gas for anything over 10ga cause it will not go low enough to keep from blowing holes in the thin shit. I did start with stick and can run a 6011 usually reverse polarity but I dont like them, so just maybe I can be part of the club. If I were going to weld anything over 1/4 I would prefer 7018's over my mig.

Not sure why you got so pissed - if only that maybe you tool the sum total of the other various comments to this thread and directed it all at me ;)


As far as testing my welds - more good advice :)

You're probably right about dumping it on you.

, and thats good advise not god advise:D never said I was that good:)
weldpro

Originally posted by weldpro
You're probably right about dumping it on you.

, and thats good advise not god advise:D never said I was that good:)
weldpro

Bwwwaaahahaha :p

Looks like we could use a MIG Welding 101 article to put up next to Tin Bender's Bendin' 101. :D

My "education" was two evenings with my grandfather.. one with his Lincoln buzz-box that's older than me, and the other with the Acetelyne torch.

My next chance at welding was when I bought a cheap Century 230amp AC stick welder for $180 (IIRC) after I ripped my second spring hanger off the frame.

Had my step-dad do the repair.. AC overhead involved a lot of re-grinding before the frame damage was repaired and the hanger back in place.

I eventually got to be fairly competent with the stick welder. Used chamfer rod to cut stuff, and added stuff to the Sch40 pipe 'cage in one of my rigs (that's a whole 'nother discussion, and JD2 just billed my card on Thursday so the bender is on the way..), built a few bumpers, etc.

I then got a deal on a used Hobart 120 MIG w/ bottle for $400 (or $450?).

I bought it planning to do just sheetmetal with it.

Still haven't gotten around to the body work. :D

Built a few work-tables n' such for practice.. then tried out this DC welding for vertical/overhead welding when I did the reverse shackle on my race Scout.

It took a few tries (weld, hmmmm.. grind.. try again..) to get the hang of it, but the end result appears to be strong enough.

I took a pretty hard hit (didn't clear the second jump, slammed into the top of it instead) in August. Hard enough that I bent the 5/16" spring center pins, broke the Dana 44 diff case on the long-side (bending the axle shaft, trashing the carrier, and breaking the long tube completely out of the housing).

Spring hangers held up just fine. :D

I'm getting a bit better with the little MIG, and haven't hit the duty cycle yet.

For the heavy stuff I still have the stick welder (and a Carbon Arc torch to try out).

I would be interested in a Welding 101 article to help me learn what I'm still not doing correctly.

Aside from the RS (on a rig that's trailered to every closed course race) I haven't tried anything structural yet.. but the time draws near..

In the mean time, more practice welding up misc stuff.

Just to let everyone know, I just got back from work and I got a chance to try the little thing out.

IMHO it worked great!

Did both a butt weld and a fillet on some 1/8" bedframe I had laying around ("Hollywood" bedframes are a GREAT source of angle iron!:D ).
Took me a few minutes to get the hang of it but in no time I was laying "dime on dime" beads that got full penatration on the first pass.

Say what you will, I think I made a good $99 investment!:flipoff2:

Lincoln Weld-Pak 100 Specs. Output: 88A/18V/20% duty cycle.

Hobart Handler 135 Specs. Output:90A/19V/20% duty cycle.

Millermatic 135 Specs. Output: 90A/18V/20% duty cycle.

Lincoln SP-135T Specs. Output: 90A/19V/20% duty cycle.

Specs. on OCV look the same for all 4 machines.

Not going to get involved in all the controversy now, as those of us that know, know who is stating the facts in this thread(weldpro perhaps??).

:flipoff2:

I don't care what anybody say's....way to stick it to them....
;) :usa: Try doing that in Pakistan...:D congrats on your new welder!!

I would sell it and pocket the extra $$$$$$$.
Put it towards a good welder!!
I can't belive he tried to mess with you like that!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

Since when does Home Depot or any other nation-wide chain screw anyone? Last time I checked, they didn't send thugs over to "mom-and-pop" to rough them up, they just happened to offer a larger selection at cheaper prices. That's the way economics works: you can sell more of something if you can sell it cheaper. The more you sell, the more you make. The more you make, the more you can expand and sell more....

Whether you like big stores or not, they aren't doing anything wrong by selling stuff to people. If "mom and pop" knew anything about business it ISN'T that being the friendliest guy in town puts you on top, it's that reaching the biggest section of the market puts you on top. If you aren't growing, you're on your way to being bought out or put out.

Besides, no one is forcing you to shop there. Go somewhere else and pay more for something if it makes you feel all warm and cuddly inside.

I don't really mean to be the corporate defender here, but it really bugs me when people are talking about how big stores are "bad" and how it's so cool to screw them over...

Originally posted by wrangler40
Since when does Home Depot or any other nation-wide chain screw anyone? Last time I checked, they didn't send thugs over to "mom-and-pop" to rough them up, they just happened to offer a larger selection at cheaper prices. That's the way economics works: you can sell more of something if you can sell it cheaper. The more you sell, the more you make. The more you make, the more you can expand and sell more....

Whether you like big stores or not, they aren't doing anything wrong by selling stuff to people. If "mom and pop" knew anything about business it ISN'T that being the friendliest guy in town puts you on top, it's that reaching the biggest section of the market puts you on top. If you aren't growing, you're on your way to being bought out or put out.

Besides, no one is forcing you to shop there. Go somewhere else and pay more for something if it makes you feel all warm and cuddly inside.

I don't really mean to be the corporate defender here, but it really bugs me when people are talking about how big stores are "bad" and how it's so cool to screw them over...

lol. Does this mean that you wouldn't cry to your government for protection from oligopolies and monopolies if some billionaire corporation dropped into a market, practiced price undercutting until the competition went bankrupt, and then overcharged the hell out of you? Riigghht. The real world isn't quite as pretty as your textbook theory. I've watched Home Depot and Wal-Mart ruin a lot of lives in my line of work. And don't be a fool, they mean to do it. Hell, it's part of their growth strategy. Personally, I get along just fine competing with these guys and have for over 10 years, but not everyone is as fortunate. The ironic thing is that the way to be sucessful in competition with the big boxes IS to be the friendliest guy (and to fill niches), contrary to your theory. Do I think you should steal from them? No. Do I think ForestCam did? No. Everyone in retail should honor prices marked in error within reason when they are brought to the retailer's attention. It keeps us retailers honest and sharp. You should remember, though, that it was mom & pop stores that built this country, and if you put the responsibility of providing the services that many mom & pops once provided into the hands of one or two large corporations, you're not necessarily making progress. You're just trading. You get efficiency, cost reductions, and homogeny across the county in that service. You lose personability, variety, and stability. If you put all your eggs in one basket, and that basket is Enron, for example, who are you going to get eggs from now? Everyone else is gone. Just something to keep in mind. Everything comes with a cost.

Weldpro: great advice, as usual. Btw, my sp175+ has been working great ever since you told me how to fix it.

I was thinking now who the hell brought this back up! It was only you Aceguy.

I would have to agree with Aceguy. The first thing after reading where wrangler40 lived(college kid) I thought man WTF are they teachin'. Not being friendly-etc. Not bashing on you W40 but we Aceguy , and myself have SB's we run , and your comments dont reflect the things we have learned from ACTUAL EXPERIENCE- take that to your fruity professor!:D
Seriously though Aceguys points are very valid when you grad , and own your own shit you'll someday learn how monopolys' really work , and that stockholders are more important than people.

It is bad to screw anybody regardless ---but the HD's WM's , and others do it all the time.

"ace is the place"
:usa: weldpro

Originally posted by Magoo

Better machines don't make better welds, better welders make better welds.

True'r words have never been spoke'n.....:skull:

So....
As a newby with an SP100 on Co2/Argon mix who hasnt been through his first 10# spool yet, what learning tools would anyone recommend?
I have learned it doesnt like extention cords and it requires a freshly ground surface.
Also someone recommended I run a seperate curcuit with a 30A breaker, any truth to that?

ive been through this entire thread...the thing that gets me the most is the whole stealing aspect of it. i dont feel he stole anything. as far as monopolies go, im glad someone finally got to stick it to one of these warehouse super centers. if i'd a seen that deal i would have bought 10 of em, provided they were all marked $99.00. and the reason being that these huge places have everything down to a science.

example:
why do you wait in line so long at wal mart, lowe's, home depot? because it is more cost effective for them to have you wait and get a little pissed than to pay some reitred person or high school drop out to work a register.

its the same thing with the ford pinto. something could have been done about the gas tanks blowing up on a rer end collison but it would be more cost effective to leave it like it was and pay the 70,000 injured $100,00.

fuck that, since when does buisness mean more than respect for humans in general

on a similar note i saw a bunch of rib eye steaks at a grocery store once marked .17 each, betweena friend and i we bought all they had. was i stealing, no they marked the prices wrong.

Hunter

Ace and WeldPro - I hear ya' on the SB comments - having grown up in one, I see it all too well (Seems like we are due a good small business thread in chitchat - what do you say? ;) )

But here is the deal abotu stealing....


The law says he did NOT steal.

His conscious SHOULD tell him he DID steal.


In his mind, he knows he took ADVANTAGE of a labeling error in order to pay less for an item than it should have been labeled.


They did not intend to sell that welder for $99, yet due to an error they were forced to LOSE MONEY.

This is not to say that "truth in advertising" and other similar laws are not good to "keep businesses honest" - but as I said before, those laws are NOT in place for consumers to take advanateg of honest mistakes.

Take it to a personal level people - say your elderly grandmother was going to sell her car in the paper. She misunderstands the peron taking the add over the phone, and incorrectly tells them the car is for sale for $400 instead of $4000.

So, would it be stealing if the buyer forced - through some odd law or regulation about truth in advertising - your grandmother to sell the car for $400?

Are you honestly going to tell me your grandmother was not robbed of $3600?

I am just dying to see where the double standards come into play here :rolleyes:

I HATE it when people stick up for monopolies like this... I would just like to say :flipoff2: to everyone who has.

If you feel bad for those guys your a piece. I agree that this country was founded by small business owners. NOT monopolies. Not only do I NOT go to them but I hate going to them. You pay a little less but you dont get any help and it takes you for fucking ever! I would rather walk into a good mom and pop hardware store and have someone there to help me with my questions so I dont have to spend 30 minutes looking for a bolt, or hunting a salesperson.

Dont shed a tear for them, I gaurantee you that the CEO or board of directors is not sitting at home right now crying and worrying over the hundreds of families that he has caused to have to sell their dreams and years of hard work with small profits and go to work for someone.

Just think about if this was you? You had been doing the same thing for 30 years, just like your father, then all of the sudden you go out of business... your kids are in college...what do you do?

FUCK WAL MART FUCK HOME DEPOT!!! Glad they got screwed out of mula and it WAS their own fault.

Originally posted by FINDOG78
So....
As a newby with an SP100 on Co2/Argon mix who hasnt been through his first 10# spool yet, what learning tools would anyone recommend?
I have learned it doesnt like extention cords and it requires a freshly ground surface.
Also someone recommended I run a seperate curcuit with a 30A breaker, any truth to that?

can't really say much about learning tools for welding except practice, practice, practice. it will work with extension cords but you have to get a GOOD one in my experience. Probably something in the $30 range for a 50ft cord, will probably be a 12 gauge deal.

- jack

i dont think thats a very good example as corporations have to conform to laws that my elderly grandmother doesnt, plus if shes old and selling her car she probably cant drive legally becasue she is old a scenial :flipoff2:

the home depo thing to me is being in the right place at the right time. hers a scenario for ya.

sat. i go to northern to check out this deal they have goin on a century 230a welder. advertised in the paper and in the store as an ac high and low output machine with dcep and dcen for $179.00. go home open the box the fawkers only an ac machine. right now im tryin to get my ac/dc machine otherwise this damn thing is gettin returned. would you stick it out and try and get what was advertised or just let em run right over you?? part numbers on the ad match, but the description of course if for the ac/dc unit.

whos to say the ad was printed wrong, but frm my pint of view whos to say the dumbass at corporate missed the last diget of the part number therefore sending all northern stores ac only machines?

Hunter

Some of you still don't get it....


It is not about sticking up for the corporations - I could care less if they make another dime.

It is about YOU and YOUR MORALS.

But I guess some of you can't grasp that :rolleyes:

Regardless who was ont he receiving end of the stealing, HE STOLE from them when he bought that welder. Period -end of story.


One more time for the thick of head :p

It doesn't matter who is on the other end and is getting cheated out of money - Home Depot, Grandma, Ace Hardware - it is irrelevant! when he bought that welder, he CHEATED someone out of their money.

Originally posted by xjpart2
sat. i go to northern to check out this deal they have goin on a century 230a welder. advertised in the paper and in the store as an ac high and low output machine with dcep and dcen for $179.00. go home open the box the fawkers only an ac machine. right now im tryin to get my ac/dc machine otherwise this damn thing is gettin returned. would you stick it out and try and get what was advertised or just let em run right over you?? part numbers on the ad match, but the description of course if for the ac/dc unit.


Again - double standards abound :laughing:

So, when the screwup is against YOU - it is them "running over you", but when YOU screw them, it is "ok"?

Originally posted by DRM
The law says he did NOT steal.

His conscious SHOULD tell him he DID steal.


In his mind, he knows he took ADVANTAGE of a labeling error in order to pay less for an item than it should have been labeled.


They did not intend to sell that welder for $99, yet due to an error they were forced to LOSE MONEY.




David, I don't think the argument is wether or not he knew he was taking advantage of HD. He absolutely knew there was a price error.

Now lets change gears here. Do you think he should have gone to a HD employee and said,"I think you guys mis-marked this welder. It should cost closer to $300"?

Do you think on the other hand that if HD realized that they had been overcharging on a tool due to a labeling error that they would go out of their way to refund the cash? I don't really think so. :)


BTW, I love how multi-faceted a simple thread on a welder has become:D

Originally posted by Mustard Dog
Now lets change gears here. Do you think he should have gone to a HD employee and said,"I think you guys mis-marked this welder. It should cost closer to $300"?

No, but that is irrelevant as to whether he had to bu it or not...

Kinda like if you see an unlocked car int he parking lot you don't HAVE to go find the owner to tell them it is unlocked, but that has nothing to do with whether or not you steal their car :p

Do you think on the other hand that if HD realized that they had been overcharging on a tool due to a labeling error that they would go out of their way to refund the cash? I don't really think so. :)

So are you justifying the theft based on your assumption that HD steals from him?

Again - irrelevant... What HD does has nothing to do with his morals and whether or not he stole from HD....

Originally posted by xjpart2

hers a scenario for ya.

sat. i go to northern to check out this deal they have goin on a century 230a welder. advertised in the paper and in the store as an ac high and low output machine with dcep and dcen for $179.00. go home open the box the fawkers only an ac machine. right now im tryin to get my ac/dc machine otherwise this damn thing is gettin returned. would you stick it out and try and get what was advertised or just let em run right over you?? part numbers on the ad match, but the description of course if for the ac/dc unit.

whos to say the ad was printed wrong, but frm my pint of view whos to say the dumbass at corporate missed the last diget of the part number therefore sending all northern stores ac only machines?

Hunter


did the box say it was an ac/dc machine? otherwise its your fault you didnt check the box. just my oppion anyways.

i know for a fact that stores always print somthing wrong and they aways have some paper on the register that says they had a misprint.

Originally posted by DRM
Originally posted by Mustard Dog
Now lets change gears here. Do you think he should have gone to a HD employee and said,"I think you guys mis-marked this welder. It should cost closer to $300"?

No, but that is irrelevant as to whether he had to bu it or not...

Kinda like if you see an unlocked car int he parking lot you don't HAVE to go find the owner to tell them it is unlocked, but that has nothing to do with whether or not you steal their car :p

Do you think on the other hand that if HD realized that they had been overcharging on a tool due to a labeling error that they would go out of their way to refund the cash? I don't really think so. :)

So are you justifying the theft based on your assumption that HD steals from him?

Again - irrelevant... What HD does has nothing to do with his morals and whether or not he stole from HD....


I'm not trying to JUSTIFY anything, just making another worthless thought to the debate:p

this thread has turned into a smackdown! But, i've learned a bit and i'll keep practicing with my buzz box. I'm almost past the 'booger' welds phase and I read ever weld related post and try and pick some new bit of info up. So this thread has help more people than the original poster.
Thanks guys:)

DRM...

I think that laws are there to protect people. These pricing laws are there so that companies wont screw people. Regardless of weather or not who it was or if it was on purpose or not, they still screwed up! They should have to pay. Dont mark shit wrong is the message that is TRYING to be put across is GETTING put accross nicely...

I believe in this law for all retailers... I think it works as good as any law seeking to accomplish safegaurding and I believe that the fact that it IS a law says that a lot more people with a lot more knowledge tend to agree with ME rather than you DRM.

It is basically them trying to steal from you OR it was a simple mistake of some poor stockboy. EITHER WAY... do you pay them for their mistake just cause they SAY they screwed up...

If I walk up on you trying to steal my car, coat hanger in the wondow... and I say...HA! WTF are you doing? What are you gonna say... "I was trying to steal your car asshole!" Or are you gonna say "ohhh, Im sorry, this is YOUR CAR! I thought it was mine, I have a car just like this, just thought my lock was broken..." or soemthing like this.

If you get caught fucking soemone, your gonna think of an excuse. Especially since teh guy he was dealing with it did not engineer the mistake!!

Or, second scenario is it WAS an innocent mistake by poor stock boy. The store should still loose out! Punishment to keep them on their toes...

How bout this.
I just had to buy a vehicle to replace my 4runner. It was advertised with a am/fm/cd player. We drove 50 miles to look at it at the car lot. The stereo is on the floor behind the passenger seat, ok at least its there. I thought that maybe it was a removable, but i noticed the wires were cut. Ok I can fix that. The wife took it for the test drive, and found out it needs a clutch. We negioate the deal and paid $300.00 less than the asking price. I get home and went to take the stereo in the house, but it was gone. We called the auto dealer that maybe someone took it out for cleaning and forgot to put it back. Next day the wife goes back down there and is hassled by the used car manager. I call this same jerk and he tells me that I already got a good deal so quit complaning. He told me to bring it back and they would refund my money(this was a week later). I had already changed the clutch, and I asked them to give me what I put into it. He refused, Next day he finially calls back and tells us to go to a stereo dealer in their town and to pick one up. This was not the first time they had stereo's missing from the cars they were selling.
My morel, there is no such thing as customer service anymore. When they get the chance they will screw you more than you can do them.
Tim

aw fawk it, i love walmart and home depot. if it weren't for them i would not have been able to afford to do alot of the work on my place. because the mom and pop places charged to much for there shit. if they can't compete they need to find something else to make a living at. just because they were the only ones in town for 50 years. took advantage of people because they could. now they have to compete, if they can't handle it, get out.

yeah so mom and pop stores are higher prices...but i know for a fact the quality on most of the products sold at home imporvemnt places is inferior to that of the same products at mom and pop places. the tile you buy is seconds or thirds or discontinued, the lumber isnt a good, etc....... also it depends on how much customer service you need....personally if in my lifetime i spend an extra 3 grand on purchashes because i dont go to home depot or lowes i think i will die happy to know someones kid who lives in my community can go to college or even drive a badass car...its all about stimulating the economy where you live. you give your money to home depot what isnt paid out to employees goes to the home office somewhere a thousand miles away and spent there...same with wal mart.

I hate going to Home Depot.
By and large, most employees are ignorant.
They're often out of stock, or can't find the stock of what I came for.
3 people waiting or 30 people waiting, you'll still be in line for 15 minutes; 20 if the spinster in front of you haggles over the 11 cent lock washer.
By and large, most employees are ignorant.
Something I don't like about the employees, but it slips my mind.;)
My favorite idiot is the guy that works in the hardware/tools section... Not only could he not know where the tap and die bits were located, his response to my inquiring whether they had any Grade 8 nuts and bolts was, "Grade what??":rolleyes::nuke:

Went to the new Lowes this weekend. It's just a cleaner, yuppier version of Home Depot. Though they do get you through the line faster. Definitely won't be back. Depot get's my biz for convenience reason onlly, being a mile or so from my house; Lowes is a good 10 miles.

Dale's Hardware is the place to get helpful, friendly, knowledgable service, at a higher cost. Unless I'm rushed I try to buy from them.

Welded quite a bit last year on a WP 100. It's a fine welder. Got a kickin deal on a new Hobart 175 last year though, paid a bit over a beni more than DRM paid for his 135.:D

I'm workin' hard to lose this popularity contest, so here goes~

if they can't compete they need to find something else to make a living at. just because they were the only ones in town for 50 years. took advantage of people because they could. now they have to compete, if they can't handle it, get out.

This is what I was getting at. I 'm not saying Home Depot is all that cool, I'm just wondering why mom and pop are *entitiled* to make a living if they can't keep up. You say what if someone's store is put out of business because the local big box is cheaper? :(

You are not garunteed a living doing what you want to do, what your parents did, or because you are the the friendliest nicest business man in town.

Honestly, I'm not that stoked on any of these stores. My personal demon in Fry's Electronics I really hate that place. But they sell CD's for $10 that everyone else has for $16. THere you go. Yes, I would rather go somewhere I hate to get a CD for $6 cheaper.

The thing I hate is that people use the argument that "so-and-so has been doing this for 50 years and his dad did it before him, and now some big box sells everything cheaper so he's toast." If he was so great, sometime over the 50 years he should have bought a couple more stores and become the nationwide store himself.

BTW~ Yeah, I'm in college, but I haven't taken an Econ class since high school--I'm a Bioengineering major (artificial hearts, electrical-neural interaction, basically mad science :smokin: )

Well I guess I have to post in this "can-o-worms" thread AGAIN!:eek:

Morally did I think I was stealing? Hell no!
I've never shopped around and priced these things before. I saw three of these welders there Friday the day before I went and got mine. Talked to a friend who has a wire feed and he said that sounded like a good price not "WHAT A FAWKIN DEAL!!" or anything, just a good price.

When I went there Saturday there was only two left and one wasn't even priced so someone else must have taken advantage of this "deal" even before I did.

I'm not the type of person who keeps the money when a cashier gives me too much chainge either but when a store makes a mistake they have to stand behind their mistake just like you and I have to stand behind our mistakes.
The thing that really pissed me off was the store manager's attitude. Treated me like an idiot and made me wait in line for 20 minutes before he CALLED the cashier to tell her not to let me have it for $99. The ass didn't even have the balls to come tell me himself!
An like a lot of you I'm begining to detest going to Home Depot. When they opened here 6 years ago the place was great! vClean aisles, no pallets of stuff sitting around to block your way and so many people around to "help" you you had to beat them off with a stick!
Ever since they put Builders Square out of buisness here they've become just like 'em. Can't find what you want, the place is a mess and good luck ever finding anyone to help you.
The number 1 thing I hate about them is the drop product lines constantly! I used 1 pattern of floor tile here at work for the past 8 years and HD decided not to carry it anymore. Same thing with the cabinets I use for kitchens, went through 5 sets from them and they decide not to carry the color I use "in-stock" so now I have to special order them! Same with ceramic tile, picked one kind over four years ago and now they're phasing that out too!

So do I feel at all guilty for taking them for $240? Nope! Not with all the hassles I have to go through dealing with them for work!

First off this thread should REALLY GO AWAY! It's usefulness has experied a llooooonnnngg time ago.

But to add to the mayham.

Stratigic elimination- price so low (to the point of possible 0 profit) as to get rid of the competition, and then after your goals are accomplished price for profit (just wait until there is no competition to WM & HD those super cheap prices will turn into massive margins).

What we then get is similar prices & the same shitty service that we became used to. We hardly notice price increases cause we only judge them based on who is left.

Competition is the AMERICAN way no doubt but there is unfair business tactics that are practiced by these big guys all the time , and they have lots of cash (not their own but rather SH dollars) to make sure their goals are indeed accomplished.

I'm guilty of shopping at both, and I like those (sometimes) cheap prices but if if can be avoided I do try , and make the effort.

Someone earlier said how they would die happy knowing that their dollars went to some local kid amen.

I have shopped at ace for awhile , and just the other week I did a handrail job for the past owner of the business but currently owns the building that the new folks operate it in. He had no problems paying premuim dollars for fast , dependable, and quality work- what goes around comes around. On the way to installing this handrail I even had to go to ace to get a concrete bit could have went to WM , and got it for a buck cheaper - but time is money , and I would have had to get in and out of WM in less than 60 seconds to save basically nothing(plus thats impossible). If they even had what I needed in the first place.

Just thoughts is all
weldpro


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