Shocks for rear of a stock Scout II

[twodafloor]

What would be a good shock for a stock suspension in the rear.
My thinking the shocks limit droop travel and longer ones would be better like for a 4" lift maybe.
What do you guys think???:roxy:

[Mechanos]

Originally posted by twodafloor
the shocks limit droop travel
I think the stock suspension limits travel:barf: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
it not worth spending any money on..... go SOA or go home...:flipoff2:

[Old Scout]

COME AWN NEWBIE :flipoff2: :flipoff2:


This should be considered college level for wheeling IH's , so don't post kindergarden level topics.
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[twodafloor]

Aw to be 12 again.

Well let me try...........

Uh well I got this Scout like and well I kinda drive it some like on the uh...... street and then sometimes I like,like,like even go like in the woods with it like for fun. I think its called fourwheeling.
So my shocks are shot and since I guess I'll hire a guy to wrench on them cuz I dunno how to do it what do yu guys use on them trucks you keep in your garage while you wait on getting a drivers licence.

I just wanted to up grade I currently have old rugged trails and they sucked plus ones solid.
I worry about axle wrap with a spring over so i don't think its in my future there Toy guy.

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[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by twodafloor
What would be a good shock for a stock suspension in the rear.
My thinking the shocks limit droop travel and longer ones would be better like for a 4" lift maybe.
What do you guys think???:roxy:

There's not a lot you can do with the *stock* shock setup. There just isn't enough room. PERIOD.

You'll have to build new mounts - lay the shocks over "inboard" at the top, or tilt them fore/aft to new mounts on the frame before you can make any real improvement over the stockers.

[twodafloor]

Thanks Tom thats what I kinda thought don't have a forklift access anymore to test my little theory.

Just being a jerk and trying to fit in.

Mind if I e-mail you noticed u me and a few others don't post on the BBB anymore just wonder if we all are thinking the same.

But I am going the same route as you no lift big tires I been slashing a lot hoping for the 33x14 boggers.

Dare to be different!


wp

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by twodafloor

Mind if I e-mail you noticed u me and a few others don't post on the BBB anymore just wonder if we all are thinking the same.


Have at it. I just haven't found a lot to comment on recently.. and I haven't had too many nifty new ideas to float just yet.. too many more mundane projects to do first.

But I am going the same route as you no lift big tires I been slashing a lot hoping for the 33x14 boggers.


I was just about to head out to the shop and do some more finish-work on the shop, change my stuck thermostat on the Scout, and maybe break out the saw and shave some more weight off "Tigger" in the name of tire fitment. Bottom front of the fenders have to go - I thought I could keep the lower mounting bolt holding the fender to the grille, but I don't think it's meant to be. :D

[muskyman]

I think to many of you guys think just because its a SOA that its better then SUA.

what a bunch shit that is.

I have done both and I'll take a well put togather SUA over a shotty z-bar constructed spring over anyday.

theres alot of body to chop away at on a scout to fit bigger tires

thats free room that dosent move everthing up like a soa

as far as all the newbie bashing ...get real

returning to basics once in awhile will jog the memory of all fabricators...the most basic set-ups are almost always the best.

as to the first question


stock scouts can flex very well with simple mods.

get rid of the connecting sway bar from between the front shackels.

mount Cj7 style bolt on tall front shock mounts ($18) to get longer front shocks.

Poke holes in the floor and use the same mounts in back and you can run much longer shocks outboard the frame (where they have more leverage then tilted over inside) giving you much better then stock travel.

shock mount questions are always good ones in my book

scouts had poor mounts stock, and fixing them correctly has always been one of the challenges of building a scout.

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by muskyman
I think to many of you guys think just because its a SOA that its better then SUA.

what a bunch shit that is.



Keep in mind what the purpose of this Board is. It's rock-crawling to the next level.

Visit the Toyota section and you'll find that ANY kind of IFS question is NOT ALLOWED. "SAS" Solid Axle Swaps may not be the best thing for everyone, but it's what everyone HERE does.


I have done both and I'll take a well put togather SUA over a shotty z-bar constructed spring over anyday.


So would I.. but a well done SOA vs. well done SUA? Make mine SOA please.

I'm still running 4" Skyjackers SUA on the front of my trail rig. Not because I like it, but because it's there, it works, and I have other things to do before that becomes a priority. It WILL become SOA. I don't want any more lift, I just want to move the springs away from the rocks. My rig sports 3 dented and mashed shocks (and one so badly damaged it's frozen up and is no longer connected) thanks to the SUA suspension.


theres alot of body to chop away at on a scout to fit bigger tires

thats free room that dosent move everthing up like a soa


Which is why I elected to make 36s fit with the 4" SUA.. and THEN go SOA - not for tire clearance, but for ground clearance.

You can build an SOA as low as a good 4" suspension lift.. and gain all of the ground clearance of the SOA.

twodafloor is going to have wheel-hop problems to deal with with a 440 and SUA anyhow.. it's all about the power. :D

Back to the shop to start putting that new *SOA* front end under the racer..

[muskyman]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tsm1mt
[B]

"Keep in mind what the purpose of this Board is. It's rock-crawling to the next level."the

never saw that thought it was just a hardcore IH bb


"I'm still running 4" Skyjackers SUA on the front of my trail rig."

me to they work well to carry the heavy IH motor.how

"You can build an SOA as low as a good 4" suspension lift.. and gain all of the ground clearance of the SOA."

I agree Mike newlins factory race truck in the late 70's was spring over so spring over IH's are nothing new.

"twodafloor is going to have wheel-hop problems to deal with with a 440 and SUA anyhow.. it's all about the power. :D"

very wise words

"Back to the shop to start putting that new *SOA* front end under the racer.."

are you running tension shackels in the rear to keep your racer on SOA low?

[Mechanos]

Originally posted by twodafloor
I worry about axle wrap with a spring over so i don't think its in my future there Toy guy.



Toy guy???? better go back and read my sig line again there, asswipe. :flipoff2:

[tsm1mt]

Originally posted by muskyman
"Back to the shop to start putting that new *SOA* front end under the racer.."

are you running tension shackels in the rear to keep your racer on SOA low?

Nope, currently just front and rear stock springs, SOA, RS.. sits nice and low, with full width axles just to make sure it stays greas(ier) side down.

I've been thinking about a tension shackle with 4" lift spring in the rear for more travel.. but it hasn't been necessary yet.

It'll only ramp 950 @ 25deg as it is..

[Hooper]

LOL. Now we are back to the Pirate board the way it used to be!!!

Sure, reviewing basic fab procedures is good, but it is better to use the SEARCH feature. I visit this board when I don't want to wade through questions that answers are available for on 10 different boards, or even in the archives of this board. I get lots of review of basic fab on the other boards I frequent, and I spend lots of time, as do most of you (pl) answering those questions, and I am more than happy to do so on other boards. But, they don't belong here.

This board is not a touchy feely be careful of other folks feelings board. I don't come here for that. I don't think most people do. This is the call it the way you see it board!!! :) Lets beat the horse to death and see what the beast looks like when we are done. The advantage this board has is that we can by tough on each other, on the ideas we post, on the stuff we try. We don't have to be nice and soft and warm and cuddly, and no one gets to get bent out of shape for being worked over on a stupid idea. heck, I have floated more balloons, and so far, not a single one has made it, but we have gotten some interesting ideas out of it. Taken a lot of abuse for stupid ideas, too, but that is the board, and it is not personal.

The way I see it, rear shock mounting is in the archives of this board, in detail, several different options, and it is in other boards. Now, if someone reviews the archives, and says, hey, here is a new idea, that is a great place to start a new discussion. Not start at ground zero so we have to start with a, b, c, again.

There are still issues on the rear shocks to address, but lets start where we left off, not from the beginning, and there is no definitive answer for most of the stuff on this board. This board is pretty much to the point where every rig is enough different, that no one solution is right for everyone.

In any case, I'm picking up the bowl of peanuts and am going to start tossing them around, so those who don't want to get hit, better duck or leave..... :D

Ooops. Gotta go check the other boards. Time to be nice again... :)