Im wantin to run 37's on my yota, but Last I heard the MT/R's are WAY outta my $ range, do the SSR's hold up on the trail or should I jump to the 38's, and If so whats your favorite?

SSRs take a lot of abuse on this board but for an on/offroad tire they're pretty good. If you're using the truck a lot on the street I would say they're a very good option...if not, go SX. I had a set of 35" MTRs on a daily driver and to date they have over 40,000 miles on them and still have good tread (now with a new owner). They're way better offroad than the 35" BFG MTs i also had. On my daily driver now I have MTRs, they're really nice tires but i wouldn't say they're any better than the SSRs in my experience. I have SXs on my trail rig and wouldn't want to rock crawl with anything else.

-Steve

what kinda wheelin you do? here in the northeast theyre good cause when you stay in the pedal they self clean real well... watched a guy in a Range Rover on 33x12.50s rip it up through some serious mud today considering the truck weighs 5000 pounds and has about 130hp...

and this is what the DS front tire looked like when he came through that hole...

My SSR's kick ass!!! I was in teh same position as you. I wanted MTR's but didn't want to pay $400+ for them. After debating between SSR's and 38 sx's, I chose the SSR's and got the last 3 in CA at the time and shipped the 4th from TX. They're good all around, street, snow and rocks. I'm not much of a mud fan, so I can't help you with that. One thing to the MTR's credit is how they heat up and stick, if they were anywhere near affordable, I'd have them, but I'm more than happy with the SSR's

I've seen pics of chris geiger runnin them, (which will be very similar to my set up when Im done)but im still undesided. Do you think the SSR's are as good on rocks as the SX's or are they pretty even?

Originally posted by JerryRigs
I've seen pics of chris geiger runnin them, (which will be very similar to my set up when Im done)but im still undesided. Do you think the SSR's are as good on rocks as the SX's or are they pretty even? if you wheel much on the rocks i'd stay away. i have seen too many cut. just my op.

Originally posted by JerryRigs
I've seen pics of chris geiger runnin them, (which will be very similar to my set up when Im done)but im still undesided. Do you think the SSR's are as good on rocks as the SX's or are they pretty even?

Most that run/ran them - said the SSR's sidewalls were very weak compared to the SX's.

No, if you are going to do any driving off pavement radials are:rainbow:

I have some pretty mixed emotions about my SSR's. Due to the fact that they are 10 ply, I don't think I'll ever cut them. They grip better on the rocks than any tire I've ever run. Albeit, I've never had boggers or SX's, but I've had a ton of others including regular swampers. My big problem is they chunked out like crazy on my very first trail ride and this was in the land of smooth rocks (Moab). Ok, well it happened when I was conquering Rockpile (I think), but it still pisses me off that 30% of my outer lugs on the rear tires got ripped to shit.

Easy

I liked um when I had them...Good stick, nice highway manners...But on a serious trail? You decide...

Originally posted by RockRover
I liked um when I had them...Good stick, nice highway manners...But on a serious trail? You decide...

A picture says a thousand words...

-Steve

Originally posted by EasyXJ
I have some pretty mixed emotions about my SSR's. Due to the fact that they are 10 ply, I don't think I'll ever cut them. They grip better on the rocks than any tire I've ever run. Albeit, I've never had boggers or SX's, but I've had a ton of others including regular swampers. My big problem is they chunked out like crazy on my very first trail ride and this was in the land of smooth rocks (Moab). Ok, well it happened when I was conquering Rockpile (I think), but it still pisses me off that 30% of my outer lugs on the rear tires got ripped to shit.

Easy

They are 10 ply RATED!!! this just means they have a heavy load rating, still the same sidewall as all the other SSR's.

I have Chris Geigers old 37's, he got rid of them because he wanted something tougher. These tires are fairly tore up and he had some problems with deffective tires a few times. From what I've seen the quality doesnt seem to be an issue just the sidewall strength. If you need something tougher then a BFG mud don't get an SSR. simple as that. a 38x12.50 SX would be the next best tire for on/offroad with serious trails.

Originally posted by JerryRigs
. Do you think the SSR's are as good on rocks as the SX's or are they pretty even?

not even close.

chris has switched to a tsl. the ssr is a good street tire that works well off road. the sx is a great off road tire that works ( not very well ) on the street.

screw the comprmise and get a off road tire. the sx

I should've stated that I'm going to SX's cuz my baby rides on a trailer now. Besides, I want bigger and wider.

Easy

SSR's are nice and sticky off-road, but do eat sidewalls up

I guess the Yotas gonna wear 38" sx's:D :skull:

Originally posted by Weezer
No, if you are going to do any driving off pavement radials are:rainbow:

Not in the snow, the radials bulge when aried down low, instead of folding, like bias ply tires. We run about 2 psi in the snow and radials are where it's at.

So how about some regular TSLs 38x12.50x15 instead of SSRs???

Why or why not?

Hate reviving old threads but this is a question I'm asking and have yet to see comment related to the SX and lighter vehicles like a Toy mini.

I have always assumed the SX was too hard for serious sidewall wall flex under low weight vehicles.

Have been leaning towards the SSR for that reason.

Any comments?

I used to take my 36" SXs down to about 6 lbs to get good sidewall flex. This was on a fairly light YJ. My new 38" TSLs only need to go to around 10-12 to get similar flex in the sidewall.

My buddy run's SX on a Zuki. We all know how light they are. Once the sidewall got broken in(3-4 runs) they flex great at 6 psi. They are 32's, i know they arent big, but hell its on a Samurai.

As for SSR's I know a guy, speak to him directly and wheel with him often, (not one of those, i hear this from this guy that heard it from that guy) He has replaced 3 of his 35 SSR's because of sidewall issues. It seems they they do not like to run aired down on a trail all day then get aired up for the road. The sidewalls bubble like crazy. He is actually ditching the SSR's. His are on a 95 Yj.

SSRs are nice on rocks...if you like tennis ball sized holes in your sidewalls.

Shop around, MT/Rs aren't as expensive as they used to be.

Johnathan

I don't think the MTR is any more $$ either..

I've been running 35x14.5 SSRs for a year now on 15x10 rims. Vehicle is over 6000lbs loaded for the trail, and I air them down to 10psi or 12psi. I've done the Rubicon a couple times with them, Fordyce, Moab, no failures yet. I drive my rig to the trail, and these tires ride nice on the road and do fine off-road.

Because the casings are more supple, I don't think they need to be aired down as much as the bias-ply Swampers, that's my opinions. Friends of mine that have shredded SSRs were running them down below 8psi on rocks.

They flex nice, which is handy when the driver is stupid. :)

http://www.birfield.com/~morgan/rubithon2001/014_13md.jpg

Morgan

They seem to to really well in the mud too. Peterson's had that huge mud shoot out and the SSR's came in second. They where behind the boggers but beat out the TSL SX's in the mud.

I run 35x12.5 ssr's 26. on the st and 6.5lbs on the trail.
they do work pretty good in the snow, I dont think the sidewalls are that flexi. fyi my rig is pretty light.
it's not a bad tire, not as nice as a bfg mud on the street. i am surpriesd at how long they've lasted.

I ran the 35x12.50 SSR's for less than a year.
I was impressed with their traction but they were rediculousely weak in the side walls. I tore 5 tires in the short time I had them. Hell I used to carry inner tubes because I didnt think one spare was enough for a trail like Dusi or a long weekend on the Con.
To put it in perspective, I have only torn 2 side walls in SX's over the course of about 6 years of running them, one was a pinch, one was a slice from the rim when I dropped off on the tire to hard(aired way down).
I just cant trust the SSR, as a real off road tire.

Originally posted by NE-RokToy
a 38x12.50 SX would be the next best tire for on/offroad with serious trails.

Yeah. The regular TSL in this size is a pretty good buy too if you want a tire that is a few pounds lighter and a few bucks cheaper.

I'm not saying they're near as tough as a bias, but mine (see below) have been through Fordyce, rubicon & Dusey-Ershim for the last 2 years with no real damage. That's driving a couple hundred miles each way to the trail & airing down to 10 - 12 psi. For comparison, I also had no problem on 32" BFG's (Moab Edition) for 2 years or the Norseman radials for 8 years running these trails.

I ran 33x14.5 SSR's for a while and loved them. I switched to 37's when I lfted it and they.......... well, they suck! The 37" SSR is the sorriest tire I've ever run. Like stated before, they chunk, they split and most of them are out of round. I would stay away from the 37" SSR!
I'll be running 38.5 SX's soon :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce:

WOW, I was not expected so much response in such a short time.

Think the tread design of the MT/R are out. We have too much mud and slime on the local trails for tight lug. I've got a call into a friend who deals Goodyear for a price anyway. We'll see where that goes.

YJ4RoX noted "sidewalls bubble like crazy" which has come up one time for a friend of mine. After about a year of on/off road use one of the sidewalls decided to bubble out to a tennis ball size bulge. We thought this was a manufacturing defect. Dealer said no go, you buy a new one.

SAM-61: 38x12.50-15LT looks to be 37.4" tall but the slim width is somewhat undesired. The 14.50 is another inch taller. Another truck in the group runs these. We used to call his truck "scissor-jack" because it was so damn tall.

I want to minimize lift as much as possible with this tire upgrade.

You know, as far as choosing the right tire goes, I've become more aware of the most important thing related to sidewall blowouts. Are SSR's weaker than TSX's? Of course. But I'm tired of reading how BFG/MT's are crap, SSR's are for sissy's, and you need TSX's if you really want to wheel. Well, I've run the Rubicon, Fordydce, and other trails around here for 4 years with no problems. In fact, this past trip I blew out my first tire. Did I blame it on the sidewall? No. I knew it was because I had let my GIRLFRIEND drive, and she didn't know how to spot the best line. Within a few minutes, she was runnin on the rim. Put the spare on, *I* drove the rest of the way... no problems. So, I guess I just wanted to say... if you're blowing out the sidewall on a regular basis, regardless of brand or model, it may be do to your driving style.. or lack thereof. :) No one seems to mention this in all these tire arguments, so I thought I'd bring it up. :-P

My 2¢
Josh

Originally posted by joshljoshl
You know, as far as choosing the right tire goes, I've become more aware of the most important thing related to sidewall blowouts. Are SSR's weaker than TSX's? Of course. But I'm tired of reading how BFG/MT's are crap, SSR's are for sissy's, and you need TSX's if you really want to wheel. Well, I've run the Rubicon, Fordydce, and other trails around here for 4 years with no problems. In fact, this past trip I blew out my first tire. Did I blame it on the sidewall? No. I knew it was because I had let my GIRLFRIEND drive, and she didn't know how to spot the best line. Within a few minutes, she was runnin on the rim. Put the spare on, *I* drove the rest of the way... no problems. So, I guess I just wanted to say... if you're blowing out the sidewall on a regular basis, regardless of brand or model, it may be do to your driving style.. or lack thereof. :) No one seems to mention this in all these tire arguments, so I thought I'd bring it up. :-P

My 2¢
Josh


Bullshit,
Im not gonna let a poor choice of tires, dictate what lines I have to drive to avoid shreading them.
Im tired of guys who drive like sissies, trying to portray timid line choices as superior driving skills. Even worse, is when the same whimpy driving, is then used as validation of the strength of weak components.
is sounds like your girlfriend has bigger nadz and just drives harder than you do:flipoff2:

LOL right on H8. I may be drivin on BFG MTs, but i know their limitations, and dont make excuses. If I could afford SX's and didn't drive on the street, i'd have em, cause i know they are the shit.

Dallas

Originally posted by Weezer
No, if you are going to do any driving off pavement radials are:rainbow:

If you are going to drive off pavement Michelin military radials are the only way to go. They come in 36X10, 39X11, 39X13, 41X13, 43X14.5, and larger.
Charlie

i have 35x12.5 ssr's on my 85 bronco with 10,000 miles. i dont wheel hard but so far no problems other then they chunked like mad and there starting to ride bad (could be the lack of rubber in certain areas causeing the bad ride). next set of tires i'm looking at are the goodyear MTR's 37x12.5-15 and there cheaper then my ssr's at about $184 each.

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Originally posted by joshljoshl
You know, as far as choosing the right tire goes, I've become more aware of the most important thing related to sidewall blowouts. Are SSR's weaker than TSX's? Of course. But I'm tired of reading how BFG/MT's are crap, SSR's are for sissy's, and you need TSX's if you really want to wheel. Well, I've run the Rubicon, Fordydce, and other trails around here for 4 years with no problems. In fact, this past trip I blew out my first tire. Did I blame it on the sidewall? No. I knew it was because I had let my GIRLFRIEND drive, and she didn't know how to spot the best line. Within a few minutes, she was runnin on the rim. Put the spare on, *I* drove the rest of the way... no problems. So, I guess I just wanted to say... if you're blowing out the sidewall on a regular basis, regardless of brand or model, it may be do to your driving style.. or lack thereof. No one seems to mention this in all these tire arguments, so I thought I'd bring it up. :-P

My 2¢
Josh



Originally posted by H8monday



Bullshit,
Im not gonna let a poor choice of tires, dictate what lines I have to drive to avoid shreading them.
Im tired of guys who drive like sissies, trying to portray timid line choices as superior driving skills. Even worse, is when the same whimpy driving, is then used as validation of the strength of weak components.
is sounds like your girlfriend has bigger nadz and just drives harder than you do:flipoff2:

correct-o-mongo!