All the people I know who stretched their YJ's with Cherokee springs were forced to run fuel cells because the pumpkin hits the tank. Anyone running an extended wheelbase on a YJ without doing this?

i think everyone uses Wagoneer (not cherokee) springs... the question is do you have any room between your tank and pumpkin... in my TJ i had the RE arms cranked 1" farther back and the rear trac bar was rubbing on the tank... i plan on moving the axle back 8" from stock and i am moving the tank to the bed (where the rear seat was)

Brian

I thinking of putting front waggy springs in front and rear of mine, but i need more info first. Like How much if any lift will a stock waggy spring give me. I'm looking to do a SOA at the same time. I've seen a YJ done with waggy spring thing but not sure if they were stock springs, and he's running 39's. I'm only going to 35" or 36's. Anyways, any info would be great.

i used 4 inch front waggy springs soa in the rear and did not have to move the tank, i have alot of lift though and unless you are going to run tha much lift you will prolly need to relocate or lift the tank up higher

Just move the tank, its not all that hard.. at least I hope its not.. just take a sawzall, cut out your rear floorboard, move tank up, and wala.. you're done!
Scott

They are Wagoneer springs that are offset by about 2" and offer about 1.5" of lift.
I had to move the tank up into the 2" body lift I have. I only had about 2 inches of tank to diff clearance and on the trails it was smashing into the skid. I just cut the lip off the skid and removed 2 inches of material and welded the lip back on. If you don't run a body lift you can't do this.
As for the springs, they are really soft and bend easily. You will definately need a traction bar. I went through a set in one weekend without a traction bar and ruined all 4. I am still experiencing a problem with the front springs bending when I come up to a large obstacle. The rear tires push while the fronts are up on the obstacle turning and moves the axle rearward and inverts the shackle causing the main leaf to bend at the spring hanger. I installed boomerang shackles but I can still see it bending.
You will have to cut the rear wheel well out to accomodate the tires and axles being moved rearward. You will have to accomodate for longer driveshafts too.
NOW...does anyone know if JC Whitney or Rancho offer their wagoneer springs in a military wrap style?!?!?

What Jeep are we talking? Is this true for a 74 Jeep CJ5?? Moving the tank that is.

the original post was about a YJ

insayn's is a YJ also

i have a TJ and dont know about a CJ but i think it would be similar to a YJ

I have a YJ with Waggy front springs all the way around. I have stock 7 leaf springs SOA and have always cleared the tank just fine with my 9".
I have just swapped a 70 in the rear and went with 56" MJ springs but left the axle in the same place. Which is 2" back from stock. I still clear the tank great.
The stock waggy front 7 leaf springs are worth 2.5" of lift. I have a set of Rancho 6 leaf 44044 which are a waggy 2.5" lift front spring and they have almost the exact same amount of lift as the stock 7 leafs did.
I have never ran a track bar and have had no issues. I have a 4.0/999/300. I have bent 2 main leafs on stock waggy springs. Both of them were my fault and would not have happened if I had been paying attention.

Just push the axle back and you will be fine.

Yo Rockslut. Looks as if you ran both the stock Waggy springs and Waggy Rancho springs. Is it worth spending the extra $$ on the Rancho's? Think they last longer, flex better, don't bend as easily, etc?

I like the 44044 but I pulled the 3rd leaf from the bottom and those springs flex like mad. I would buy a set again because the springs are more resistent to bending and have a decent clamp setup. I got my 2 springs for under $300 out the door and my buddy just bought a set from Summit for under $275 delivered.

Rockslut,

What clamp style do the 44044s have? bolt type?

And did you move your shackle hangers? And if not, what kind of an angle do your front and rear shackles have with the Waggy springs?

Sorry just incase I misunderstood but yjtj you are running BDS 4 inch Wago springs in rear and Rockslut you are using 2.5 inch Rancho Wago springs all the way around. And neither of you have tank issues, sweet! What are your wheelbases?

The 44044 uses the thick steel clamp that is just bent around not the bolt type. But, when you remove one leaf it makes a ton of room in the clamp for flex but keeps the springs straight and helps prevent the mainleaf from buckling.

I have the MORE shackle reversal and the waggy springs all the way around and my wheelbase was just under 100" I have the stock spring hangers front and rear (front is the MORE kit) and I have 1/2" longer that stock shackles on the front and the regular length extended shackles in the rear. My shackle angles are great in my eyes. The rear shackles could actually be angled back a little more.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
My shackle angles are great in my eyes. The rear shackles could actually be angled back a little more.

Ok, so what would you say the angles are? 45*? or?

Right around 45* maybe a little less.

I think the tank clearance issues will depend on what size tank you have. I am wondering if the older YJ's had a smaller tank because I have a larger tank and definately had problems. I couldn't tell if I was snapping axles or banging my tank on the trails. You could definately tell I was coming, but now the problem has been resolved by raising the tank.

Are JC Whitney or Rancho Wagoneer springs military wrapped?

I pushed the rear axle on my YJ back 1.5 inches and it rubs the tank. Granted that I only have 2" BDS springs. I plan on pulling the tank up in the back about 1.5 inches and leaving the front alone. I hope this will rotate the tank out of the way. If not, then there are other methods to try.

Originally posted by attachcurrie
Sorry just incase I misunderstood but yjtj you are running BDS 4 inch Wago springs in rear and Rockslut you are using 2.5 inch Rancho Wago springs all the way around. And neither of you have tank issues, sweet! What are your wheelbases?
they're both SOA so the axle is so far away form the tank it can't rub.

YJ4Life---so you're saying that a 2" SOA with dana 60 rear would not have tank issues if the tank was left stock and the axle moved back 2- 6 inches? do you have experience with this or are you assuming?


- jake

I have a 94 YJ with the 19 gallon factory tank and factory skid plate all in the stock location. The only way that I could make the tank hit the diff is if I was way overloaded and jumped my Jeep. Not gonna ever see that happen. I have jumped my Jeep but that was in the snow and never touched anything.

and you have d60's, right(or did have a rear 60 before the 70)?


- jake

Originally posted by JeeperJake
and you have d60's, right(or did have a rear 60 before the 70)?


- jake

I have a rear 70 now but had a 9" before. I had stock waggy 7 leafs in the rear with extended shackles and cleared the tank just fine.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
and my buddy just bought a set from Summit for under $275 delivered.


When did you get a Buddy?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by H8monday



When did you get a Buddy?:flipoff2:

bout the same time you rearended a Mustard and Ketchup truck! :flipoff2:

When did you get sponsored by McDonalds??????? :D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by The Rockslut


bout the same time you rearended a Mustard and Ketchup truck! :flipoff2:

When did you get sponsored by McDonalds??????? :D :flipoff2:


ROTFLMAO,
Damn that is some cruel shit to say to a guy who spent 4 hours, and some $60 on his custom paint job.
I still have tears in my eyes from laughing.

:D

Originally posted by JeeperJake
YJ4Life---so you're saying that a 2" SOA with dana 60 rear would not have tank issues if the tank was left stock and the axle moved back 2- 6 inches? do you have experience with this or are you assuming?


- jake

I've talked to rockslut many times and I'm just repeating what he's told me. I've done lots of research on this and am looking for waggy springs currently. The rear axle moves back 1.5" to 2" and the front moves forward the same amount. He redrilled his front springs and moved his front axle 2" more making a totaly of 4" forward. Add that to the back and you have 6" more wheelbase overall. Don't foget he's using lift spings insted of stock front full size jeep springs so his tank and axle don't touch.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1145

Originally posted by YJ4LIFE


I've talked to rockslut many times and I'm just repeating what he's told me. I've done lots of research on this and am looking for waggy springs currently. The rear axle moves back 1.5" to 2" and the front moves forward the same amount. He redrilled his front springs and moved his front axle 2" more making a totaly of 4" forward. Add that to the back and you have 6" more wheelbase overall.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1145


STOP THE PRESS! I have never redrilled waggy springs. I have the MORE shackle reversal kit on the front and that is where I got the extra 2" on the front.

just to make it clear i have bds 4" front waggoneer springs mounted over the rear axle which is a 14 bolt. my wheelbase is 96 inches if i remember correctly. there is no way that the 14 bolt is gonna touch the tank which is a 19 gallon tank. those are 37s in the pic, 39.5s now live under my jeep

Originally posted by The Rockslut



STOP THE PRESS! I have never redrilled waggy springs. I have the MORE shackle reversal kit on the front and that is where I got the extra 2" on the front.
ok then, it was someone else :emb4: my bad

Originally posted by yjtj
just to make it clear i have bds front waggoneer springs mounted over the rear axle which is a 14 bolt. my wheelbase is 96 inches if i remember correctly. there is no way that the 14 bolt is gonna touch the tank which is a 19 gallon tank. those are 37s in the pic, 39.5s now live under my jeep


- well damn- i hope not! but seriously, i was wondering about springs with less lift, say ball park 2" springs:)



- jake

Jake, with a spring over & 2" Wagoneer lift springs, you shouldn't have to relocate you gas tank. Remember this combo will create at least 7" of lift. A Dana 60 shouldn't get anywhere near the gas tank unless your springs flex well past a negative arch (inverted). If you do have freakish flex and find you can contact the gas tank, then you can either move the tank, clearance the tank, or use bump-stops to keep the axle out of the tank.

Originally posted by newt
Jake, with a spring over & 2" Wagoneer lift springs, you shouldn't have to relocate you gas tank. Remember this combo will create at least 7" of lift. A Dana 60 shouldn't get anywhere near the gas tank unless your springs flex well past a negative arch (inverted). If you do have freakish flex and find you can contact the gas tank, then you can either move the tank, clearance the tank, or use bump-stops to keep the axle out of the tank.

That is exactly what I have been saying. I can invert the 44044 on one side and start to lift a tire on the other and still have plenty of room at the tank. The diff doesnt go up and down that much in the center only at the ends. That is why I said the only way possible for me to hit the tank is if I jumped my Jeep with a heavy load.

SO...does anyone know if BDS, Rancho or JC Whitney makes the front wago springs in a military wrap?
How about another spring that has a 2" offset. These wago springs are bending too easy on my front.

Originally posted by Insayn
SO...does anyone know if BDS, Rancho or JC Whitney makes the front wago springs in a military wrap?
How about another spring that has a 2" offset. These wago springs are bending too easy on my front.
I don't know about the military wrap part but Rusty's has some add a leafs. BDS might too. I don't rememebr

my 4 inch bds waggies are not military wrapped

Originally posted by The Rockslut


That is exactly what I have been saying. I can invert the 44044 on one side and start to lift a tire on the other and still have plenty of room at the tank. The diff doesnt go up and down that much in the center only at the ends. That is why I said the only way possible for me to hit the tank is if I jumped my Jeep with a heavy load.


NICE! Thanks a lot guys - that really simplifies my plans to move the rear axle back about 5 inches! thanks!


- jake

Moving back 5" might bring some issues. 2" no prob